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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 06 Jan 2020 20:08 #11

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i made some slats last week to put over an old box spring to try and figure out why there was a feeling like a high spot in my mattress, thinking it was because of an older box spring and thinking maybe the rigid center of the split king box springs was causing the ridge.

anyway... in researching buying slats and bunkie boards and then measuring the box spring for my diy slats i came to realize that all of these measured 1.5” less than what i knew a king to be... 76x80. so your 79” seems just about right. not sure why they were universally smaller than universally standard mattress sizes. maybe measurements at the middle of a mattress is a bit wider so they make the bottom a touch smaller. anyway, this must be a consistent thing based on all 3rd party stuff that was universally smaller than 76x80.

as for your first round, maybe they got mis tagged and thus mis shipped and they were really standard twin casements they sent. i say this might be the case because i suspected my original medium latex to be wrongly labeled and got in a bit of a spat with them(which we resolved), but never really got to the bottom of that because i ended up loving the microcoils more.

and this brings us to present day.... my slats didn’t do the trick... still felt like my mattress had a lump after i installed my diy slats. flipped all the coils and support coils around (keeping in mind the brown stripes indicating outer edge of firmer coils for the edge) fearing maybe there was some mattress sagging starting so thought flipping everything might prove this. but i still felt a lump. finally took it all apart again opens the zipper on the support coils, took a peak inside the pockets at the actual coils coils and low and behold, found out that the cover over the support coils was on backwards so when assembled had a row of really firm coils right down the middle causing the stiffer feel all the way to the top. so kinda pissed that this was in wrong for 3 years, but relieved that the mattress has no sag and this totally resolved now. sooooooo... long story short, maybe there is some need to better quality control what’s going out their door.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 06 Jan 2020 20:44 #12

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Interesting! I think when we got the first twinxl there was no brown stripe indicating the firmer edge. But the second twinxl did have the brown stripe. I can check this when we take it all apart to reconfigure. How did you tell that the inner coils were the firmer support ones after you unzipped the main coils? I'm also going to double check the soft microcoils are soft and medium are medium (more firm) feeling when we take it apart.

I would prefer that for the twinxl it didn't have support coils on one side of the twinxl so we could rotate them individually without putting a firm edge in the center.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 06 Jan 2020 21:47 #13

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that makes some sense to support the theory they sent you twins the first time. most buyers of twins are probably for kids and would probably have all four sides the same. and most buyers of twinxl’s are prob putting them together as a split king.

once i had the cover off i could tell by feel... both by compression feel and by feeling the gauge of the wire through the pla pocket. then i was so surprised by this discovery i slit it open a bit to see.

with or without the 4th side support, you should still be able to flip them about... head to toe, mattress to mattress. the microcoils don’t have any directionality so they can be flipped any which way. i’m flipping them around because of bad compression experience with past mattresses. i have no idea if modern coils and microcoils will compress unevenly/fatigue/sag over time if not slept on evenly. what i was fearing was some sag, now that it’s fixed there is no sign of sag.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 07 Jan 2020 12:22 #14

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I did check and the original twinxl did have the brown stripe. Forgot to check if the coils were actually firmer along that edge.

We are set up for tonight for plush coils with medium micro coils for my husband. I'm trying firm coils with soft microcoils and soft microcoils.

I was surprised that I couldn't really tell the difference in the soft vs medium microcoils by feel. In the store I certainly could. I hope we really have what we think we have so when we order the last mattress (to replace the short one) we get what we are expecting.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 07 Jan 2020 20:38 #15

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curious to hear your findings. curious if you’ve found any benefit to the pillow top.

are you on an adjustable bed? i’ve been thinking of getting one. waiting to see if any new models come from ces or the big furniture show in vegas later in the booth before i buy. i’m a single king tho, not a split king.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 08 Jan 2020 08:10 #16

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Hello deuxcv,
Yes we are on an adjustable bed. If you are thinking about it and want one without toxic smells, I highly recommend the Lucid L100 2019 model. It is all metal so no plywood, particle board, foam or fabric that has been sprayed with chemicals. You have to get two twinXLs and then use the included cable to operate them together.

www.amazon.com/LUCID-L100-Adjustable-Steel-Frame/dp/B07BMGD1XN/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=CjwKCAiAmNbwBRBOEiwAqcwwpcsDhJv8h-iuaAJA-YEblKeJTV-P2BGM3ff0TttyGKZfr3RvTjezkBoC1PcQAvD_BwE&hvadid=283864169918&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9028797&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8988132677258591602&hvtargid=kwd-485061746524&hydadcr=3978_9862724&keywords=lucid+l100&qid=1578499200&sr=8-1

They only have the all metal in the 2019 model so I suggest ordering soon. The 2020 has other material in it. I really love ours.

We went through two other brands of adjustable beds before finding these. The other two had strong chemical odors that never disappated. After spending so much on an organic, odor free bed, you don't want to ruin it with the adjustable bed frame. You can also order different leg heights directly through the company, and headboard brackets from Amazon.

I will let you know on the pillow top. Unfortunately due to us not really knowing what we are testing because components may be mislabeled, it makes the findings suspect.

Last night was a rough night on the firm with two softs. It was softer than the firm with a soft and a medium but seemed closer to the version in the store when I tried the firm with a soft and a medium. Also the soft microcoils from the short bed were about 6" shorter than the medium ones we took out so there is some serious fall off at the head and the foot of the bed. We inserted it at the second layer down but maybe shouldn't have. That is the softest of the three microcoils. I'm suspicious that the other two are really medium, even though one is labeled as soft.

I wish I could post a photo because we put the new microcoils on top of the old while swapping them and I took a picture of the lengh difference.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 08 Jan 2020 10:24 #17

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Are there any physical stores in the Flint, MI that have mattresses with safety certifications such as Oekotex or Greenguard Gold? Neither the chain stores nor the couple independent places I've looked at seem to have any credentials, except for CertiPure, which doesn't mean much. There are a couple places near Detroit, but that is too far to drive or get delivery. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 08 Jan 2020 11:22 #18

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everything you're saying about the original twin makes it sound like it was a twin, not a twinxl as the tag said. sounds like someone in that phase of production is (and has been) asleep at the wheel. what does naturepedic have to day about it? i was in a similar state of frustration and finally cc:d the owner and overnight everything changed.

as for trusting what's what... at least with the support springs it was fairly obvious by feel and totally obvious taking a peek, the thickness of the wire is visibly thicker in the firmer versions.

as for adjustable bed... i'm not too concerned about the construction. mattress and it's proximity to body and face is one thing, but the frame, not as concerned about. i don't have any sensitivities and i sleep with the window open year round and get plenty of air circulation. i wouldn't like a never dissipating situation, but an initial wouldn't bother me. my gut says to stick with leggett and plat which seems to be the leader in the industry. naturepedic used to have a detox'd adjustable frame made by reverie, but the cost was ridiculous and was ugly as all get out as it was upholstered in mattress cover material and no way to dress it up as one would do with sheets on a mattress.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 08 Jan 2020 12:09 #19

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DreamWalking,
I strongly suggest you take a road trip to the Chicago area and visit My Green Mattress's showroom.
www.mygreenmattress.com/contactus/

They have a GOTS and GOLS certified organic factory.
www.mygreenmattress.com/certifiedorganicfactory/

If you can find anything in their line up that works for you I think they are an excellent choice. We had their Natural Escape that while too hard for us, had no odor and was very well made. The problem for me was that they did not have a soft or plush option. My mother has been very happy with their Pure Echo, but she likes a firm mattess. I had a friend over too look at it out Natural Escape and she has since ordered a Kiwi with plush topper for herself. My uncle who has tried the Pure Echo at my mom's is planning to order one for himself. I warned my friend off the Natural Escape because the coils in the center are very firm. I hope she likes the Kiwi.

Their price point for all organic is fabulous compared to what I am paying for the Naturepedic organic mattresses. For them, with coupon (search on-line for best discount code) a twinXL Kiwi is in the $500 range and the twinXL in Naturepedic Classic EOS is $2100 and then $3K ish for the Pillow Top. Naturepedic has a store in Denver so we were able to see them in person.

However if you can't make a road trip they have very speedy shipping right to your door and a good return policy. We are in the process of returning ours and it was very easy to initiate. We are only waiting for the charity to pick up which unfortunately is scheduling out a few weeks.

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Non-toxic mattress suggestions 08 Jan 2020 12:24 #20

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deuxcv,

My experience with the smell issue may or may not affect your thinking on this. The first set of adjustable bases we bought was fully featured and around $3K. It smelled so bad that the first night we slept with the windows open in 40 degree weather. We tried opening the windows and running fans across them. Shortly we moved them outside to air out under a covered patio. After several days you couldn't approach them without them causing burning in your lungs and nose. This was outdoors and not an enclosed area. So we initiated a return under their being unfit for their intended purpose as there was no return policy.

Second set we got from Sam's club. Whew, they smelled. But I loved the features. We put them outdoors again, this time for 6 months. We have a covered patio area where they could get morning sun and then air out. 6 months later it was about to snow so we moved them into my office and closed the door. Next day went in and the whole room smelled like chemicals. Thankfully Sam's club had a great return policy and they came to get them no problem. For the whole 6 months our mattresses were on the floor because we had gotten rid of the original foundation when the 'white glove' delivery service set up the first set of adjustable bases.

Changed our expectations on features and bought the all metal ones. To cover our bases we bought two brands. Both all metal ones had no odor at all. One went through a clearance cycle this past fall (I got one for my mom at $175!). The other brand is the LucidL100.

In our area 'white glove' means two grubby truck delivery guys with greasy unclean hand assembling your fabric encased beds. Not their fault as the boxes aren't that clean and they have likely been installing things all day. So these sweaty, greasy guys are getting hand prints on your mattress if they take it off the bed and the fabric surrounding the new adjustable beds (although you can't see it there because the fabric is generally a dark grey).

The all metal ones are so much more hygenic and chemical free. We are very happy with the ability to adjust the bed. It is a game changer and well worth the very small cost.

Apologies to all for my typos in all my responses. I see them later but can't find a way to go back and edit the posts.

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