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17 Sep 2022 14:18
  • BillyIdol
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Nikki,

Thanks again! I tried calling 20 places around LA for the Reverie mattress. They all had the Reverie adjustable base only. This mattress is almost impossible to find. No return policy either. Im checking out Air Weave and Sleep Number next. People have told me that they hate SN…..but want to find out for myself.

John
17 Sep 2022 12:52
  • chickendogma
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Thanks for the detailed post. It does sound nice to be able to adjust the support like that. I never sleep on my back but thinking about it now that may be because of back pain. Maybe if it was comfortable I would.
17 Sep 2022 12:51
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi BillyIdol.

Me again! :) I haven't tried this mattress. A little googling suggests that MAYBE Custom Comfort in Orange, CA might have one to try. Of course, information on the internet is ever out-of-date so maybe call ahead (and maybe around to other stores in the Beverly Hills area since they're the most likely to carry luxury brands).

If my information here is useless, hopefully someone in the LA area can chime in with personal experience.

NikkiTMU
17 Sep 2022 06:42
  • rehoboth
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According to Carpenter's datasheet on the Serene foam (see carpenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Carpenter_Foams_july2022.pdf ) there are two choices, one IFD 12 and the other IFD 22. I can't find any information at the sites of the various people who appear to be reselling Serene foam for toppers or DIY about who has which foam.

Before I start trying to call people and hunt down who has what,, does anyone who know has which one? Thanks in advance!
17 Sep 2022 00:20
  • BillyIdol
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Chicken,

I went Selectabed. I was thoroughly impressed!!! The feeling of pressing a button and making back region firmer or softer is a dream come true!!! The 3 chamber design is key. I did not detect any hammocking at all.

I worked with Brian. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of Air Pedic. The 500 and 600 have a thinner comfort layer, and you can really feel lumbar part of bladder get firmer or softer. The 850 and 1000 had a thicker comfort layer, so the bladder was harder to feel. The 1000 is not better than the 500. Im looking for a firm feel. I actually liked the 500 and 600 the best!!!

Quick trick….I set all bladder settings to 99 so I could easily feel top comfort layer. I felt that 1000 and 850 top layer was way too soft. They didnt have 800 on display and Im told that top layer is between 600 and 1000. M

The topper layer is zippered and you can take out stock layer and put in a Tempurpedic topper if you want.

Brian told me that the top comfort layer would be largely responsible for side sleeping comfort. Bladder control not used much for side sleeping comfort.

I went next door to Sit N Sleep to try Smart Life King Koil. Has air bladder with 40 cells. Firmness adjustment from 1-9 with 9 being firmest. I liked 7, 8, 9 the best. (Air Pedic went from 30-99) Felt real high tech with all these sensors. No separate zone firmness controls. 8 firmness is for entire mattress with the “sensing” technology. No zoning. $8k for Cal King Lotus Plush Smart Life? Thats steep!

Air Pedic and SmartLife both good. I liked Air Pedic way better. I do see potential with SmartLife.

Im comparing Air Pedic to Aireloom Preferred and Air Weave and then making a decision. I have to say that Im probably going with Aireloom M1 Luxetop Firm or Streamline Luxury Firm. Luxury!!!!

Chicken….I save up money for Air Pedic 500 or 600.

John
16 Sep 2022 18:28
  • chickendogma
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Did you try out the Airpedic today?

Looking at their website I see their out of my price range. I'm planning to stay under $2000
16 Sep 2022 13:14
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi ShopGirl.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Sorry to hear you can feel the split layer in your mattress. Does this mattress have a cover you can unzip? Some people find adding 1" of another material (such as wool) and then rezipping the encasement around it helps to reduce the feel of any splits and "tightens" the encasement around the mattress which can also help.

I'm unsure if this is common for their brand, but it certainly is disheartening.

NikkiTMU
16 Sep 2022 12:18
  • BillyIdol
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Costco has reviews on their website.

John
16 Sep 2022 12:16
  • BillyIdol
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Chicken,

I called Selectabed yesterday and the salesperson told me that the top comfort layer can be customized to just about anything you want. He didnt seem to like latex much, but you could have it if you want.

I dont have the mattress yet, but if you have adjustable firmness and natural materials in the topper….whats not to love? I guess Selectabed will swap out topper materials til you are happy. I asked about Air Pedic availability and if I ordered today….it would take 3-4 weeks to get the bed and they are very backlogged. It seems to me that Air Pedic is quite popular. I was planning to drive up there today 9/16/2022. Lets see how they feel!!!

John
16 Sep 2022 12:01
  • chickendogma
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Thank you for your input John! Interesting ideas I hadn't thought about. I'll definitely check them out. My sister who also has arthritis has a Sleep Number bed and she loves it. The thing I like about latex options is that it is a natural material and if wool is used no need for flame retardant. I'm sort of obsessed with minimizing exposure to excess chemicals. I also like the option of replacing a topper when you have a casing with a zipper. It is so hard to decide with all the different options. Let me know if you by a new mattress how you like it and what you got.
16 Sep 2022 11:02
  • KellyR
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15 Sep 2022 22:08
  • BillyIdol
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Anyone try a Reverie Dream Supreme Hybrid 2 mattress?

It has latex cylinders (toilet paper roll shaped) that can be infinitely rearranged. Latex cylinders come in 4 firmnesses from soft, medium, firm, and extra firm. So….if you want it softer around shoulders? Move to a softer latex cylinder.

Anyone buy one?

Im looking to try one in a Los Angeles store/showroom. Anyone locate one yet?

John
15 Sep 2022 22:01
  • BillyIdol
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Not an expert like Sleep EZ, but here is an idea.

Im 5ft 11in and 225 pounds. Im back sleeper. Ive been looking into air beds.

Saw an article about mattresses for back pain on posturre.com. Yes, it has 2 r’s. They recommended C2 Sleep Number. That got me thinking. Sleep Number only has 1 air chamber and seems to promote hammocking. I researched Air Pedic. It had 3 air chambers including one right under your back/hips. Imagine being able to control firmness right under your lower back with the press of a button. You can adjust firmness of shoulder and legs too. I dont own one yet, but Im within a week of buying Air Pedic 600, 800, or 1000. They have a sale now. And no….I dont own Selectabed.

I did read the article on TMU about Air Beds. Im still trying it out though!

One more obscure idea. I saw a youtube mattress video about Reverie Dream Supreme Hybrid 2 mattress. I didnt know they made mattresses. They have these latex Dream Cells (toilet paper roll shaped latex cylinders) that have 4 firmnesses. It is infinitely customizeable because the cylinders that can be rearranged in any matter. So yes….you could make lower back region firmer or softer. Very exotic!!! Im trying to find one to lay on here in Los Angeles area.

Tldr….try adjustable firmness mattress.

Good luck!

John
15 Sep 2022 18:25
  • Basilio
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Hi alfie,

I suppose what I'm getting at here is that I want to make sure I get the coil system right for my DIY build (I've decided that spending 3-4x as much on the Naturepedic is not a worthwhile investment). I've narrowed down my build to as follows:

- Split layer Dunlop topper (plush for my side, firm for my wife's side)
- Pocket coil base (I tested both a "firm" and a "plush" coil system at Naturepedic and both my wife and I preferred the firm)

I understand! From the budgetary point of view a 3-4K pricing does not make sense for you. The setup you describe can work quite well if you make the correct choice of firmness. Remember that firmness and thickness work together and that the thicker the finished mattress the more firmness you’d need to get the similar effects. Your plan for your DIY looks good, no issues jump out for me - as long as you enjoy the feel, looks like you have a winner!

I have read a lot of complaints on reddit, here and elsewhere about Brooklyn Bedding's change to in-house coils - complaints of sagging and poor durability on posts about both BB itself and Nest. This has given me pause about using their coil system. I don't know how warranted that concern is, but there are a bunchbunch of posts complainingcomplaining about them.

As for the coils…yes there seems to have been a lot of flack last fall about manufacturers failing to announce coil source changes, which seemed to be primarily that they did not disclose that they switched from Legget & Platt for the 8” coil. I saw just as many people saying quality wasn’t the issue as ones that said the opposite- this is the downside of Reddit; like review sites it gives individual opinions on a very subjective topic. Hopefully people who own mattresses that use the Ascension coils can return with some feedback given a couple of years or so as they are the best to notice any change over time.

Looking at L&P's product specs, I'm not entirely sure I understand the difference between the two spring systems but it seems like the Calibre Edge 8" has fewer coils and and a firmer ILD than the Quantum Edge:

That’s correct! There is a direct dependency between firmness and number of coils all else being equal. There’s also a inverse dependency between coil height and firmness (higher the coil with same material, diameter, gauge, etc.) the longer the travel and the softer will feel. In the case of the two systems you are looking at, even though the coil height increases the number of coil count increases which can make it softer or firmer depending on the coil count.

The way coils ‘feel’ are a combination of materials used, gauge of the coils, height, and number of coils. You can read a more detailed discussion of coils and coil ILD vs foam ILD in phoenix’s reply in post #2 here . I would say that as Ken from Arizona Premium ’s description of the Caliber edge vs Bolsa that he mentions in this post . Are you considering the firmer Caliber Edge or the more body conforming, higher coil count Quantum Edge, as it sounds like you want to stick with Leggett & Platt coils; the tradeoff is higher the coil count the less motion transfer, so that’s the final consideration.

Sounds like you’re almost there but remember nobody can say for sure how the final combination would feel for you and your wife as each sleeper is unique and has different perceptions, needs, and preferences. I’d suggest that you work closely with Ken at Arizona Premium Mattress as he is familiar with Naturepedic and has the coils you want and are time tested. He will be the best to guide you towards the best possible outcome for your mattress.

~ Basilio
15 Sep 2022 11:29
  • chickendogma
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I'm 220 and I do like good edge support. I sit on the edge of the bed for a bit before I get up because of the arthritis and I also need to put footwear on before getting up as well. I appreciate your points though about the adjustability of the all latex. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
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