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11 Sep 2022 20:14
  • cymbalmonkey
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Pretty much as it says in the title. My only addendum is that I worry about hot mattresses. I live in a cool place but about a month every year gets pretty hot and I don't have A/C, so heat management is of moderate importance to me.

I like my shoulder to disappear into my mattress, hence going for softer. My typical issues are neck and back pain (I'm sure neck pain also needs a better pillow than I've been using so open to pillow reccs too!). I'm not someone who wakes up with a lot of pain, but it happens!
11 Sep 2022 17:57
  • alfie
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Ken, what is the impact of the Quantum Edge Bolsa changing from a 6” to an 8” in terms of firmness?
11 Sep 2022 16:11
  • alfie
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I’ve tested a few hybrid beds here and there and what I seem to like best is a firm coil base with a soft Dunlop latex topper.

I’ve heard that there’s a lot of variability in coil quality (no idea if true) and at Naturepedic one of the salesmen told me that buying through them you can pick coil firmness (also not sure how true).

All the DIY companies seem not to have any firmness options when selecting coils - is there such a thing as variable/customizable coil firmness? And if not, which could would you recommend going with to have a firm base?

I’m trying to replicate the Naturepedic Azure
11 Sep 2022 14:47
  • Basilio
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Hi alfie and welcome to The Mattress Underground :) glad to have you here.

Tested out the Naturepedic Halycon Azure mattress today, and absolutely adored it. Unfortunately it's over $6k for a king, and I really can't justify that price.

The configuration that I loved was the firm coils with the soft 3" dunlop latex layer on top, and the fact that it had a wool/cashmere/alpaca blend topper.
I also tried the Naturepedic EOS, which I liked, but I found that it had more motion transfer than the Azure, and my wife felt like the wool/cashmere/aplaca topper on the Azure made a big difference.

It seems like the winning formula for both me and my wife is:
- hybrid mattress
- firm springs
- soft latex layer
- wool topper on top

Glad to hear you and your wife have ‘zeroed in’ on a mattress type you both find comfortable. As you likely know, any mattress is unique to those sleeping on it, combining their stats (height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health issues) and their PPP (posture and alignment, pressure relief and personal preferences). It looks like you’ve read the Mattress Shopping Tutorial as well as the Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the Mattress Durability Guidelines to become more familiar with the materials and components you are looking at.

1. Does anyone know the primary differences between these two models? The salesperson in the store told us that the chief difference between the EOS and the Azure was a) the quality of the springs was higher on the Azure, and b) the wool topper. It seems like the 3" Dunlop latex layer is the same between the two models.
2. It really felt like there was much less motion transfer on the Azure than on other hybrids we tried (both vs other brands and vs the EOS) - is this down to the difference in coils? The wool topper layer? Our imagination? Motion isolation is very important to us as we are both very light sleepers.


While they are both handcrafted the main differences between the two Naturepedic are in the support coil layer and quilting in the cover, though details are a bit scant. The lack of motion transfer should reside in the coils (which for Azure are 2,096 for the Queen) encased in organic cotton and handcrafted by Amish craftsmen, with a perimeter rail which adds to the edge support as in above photo. Also, the quilting layer in Azure has alpaca wool instead of regular sheep wool and an extra pla layer (sugar cane) which could be responsible for more firmness. Also, I’d keep in mind that previously they used Talalay for the top comfort layer. So, what you tried in the shop may have been the Talalay version which is springier and has a more enveloping feeling. They recently started to use Dunlop for the comfort layer so if you decide to go for this model it may feel different than your experience in the shop.

3. Would we be able to replicate the feel of this mattress with another brand or with a DIY option? I don't know how much variability there is between Naturepedic's springs and other brands' springs, I've read on this forum that Naturepedic's definition of "soft" dunlop latex might significantly softer than options offered through SleepEZ for example. I don't know how true that is, but it makes me a little nervous because if the softest from a DIY brand is too firm, there's not really much room to go softer.

It’s wonderful that you found a mattress that you really like and that you are “adoring” it, but unfortunately recreating the same feel and experience you had on Azure is next to impossible unless all materials, design, manufacturing process are exactly the same. If you wish to just approximate this feel this may be very difficult but doable, however, your level of sensitivity to different variables involved in this mattress will also play a major role. You should definitely try out some other hybrids in person, to see if anything comes closer to Azur and what configuration seems best for you both. With an online purchase it would be quite a feat to find a mattress that closely approximates your experience in the shop. .[/quote]

4. Given that my wife and I seem to know what we want (firm base, soft latex layer, and natural topper) is there something/somewhere else we should be looking? I think we'd be willing to spend up to $3.5k, but $6k+ plus taxes is crazy.

A 3.5K is a generous budget for a Hybrid Latex mattress. As stated above it would be impossible to replicate (or even to approximate) the Azure due to the materials and manufacturing involved but it would be much easier to come “close enough” to approximating the EOS depending on your level of sensitivity/tolerance (which is different for different people) to all the criteria you mentioned you like. Its main components – wrapped coil layer, latex layer and wool topper are all available through many companies and the of the Trusted Members of the site like DIY mattress , Arizona SleepEZ ,and Mattress To Go . By providing them a small bit of information, and telling them you want to replicate the feel of the Naturepedic, they will be able to give you options to match you with a perfect solution within your ballpark budget.

Some points -The Alpaca/cashmere on the Naturepedic, as well as handcrafting, individual wrapped coils in organic cotton, spring perimeter rail support, sowing coil encasement instead of gluing it, organic materials used etc …. would all contribute to the high cost; other details like the latex softness are determined by the density (ILD/IFD) of the latex as well as type - Talalay(springier) or Dunlop(more settled) Naturepedic are now using Dunlop latex for their mattresses. Also Azure ships freight EOS ships ground which also adds to the cost of the mattress.

I hope this helps,

~ Basilio
11 Sep 2022 07:52
  • datrumole
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix


thanks Phoenix, stellar post as always

one place i looked at initially and for some reason just completely missed was Brooklyn Bedding under their 'mattresstopper.com/' site offering both the 2.5 and 4lb weights

seems like tempurpedic had a killer topper in their supreme, but it's been reformulated and phase out, many suspect its closer to a 3lb foam these days compared to the high densities tempurpedic was known for

i guess since there can be such a variety of variance, the only thing left to do is order up and see what the back agrees with. plan to grab both 2" and 3" just in case as i'm curious to the effect the thickness has on it as i've been able to test that out with latex. the key for me here is to get back to being able to be flat with such varying weights across my body
10 Sep 2022 12:17
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi kindlykatie.

Thanks for contributing to our Mattress Forum. :) I am unfamiliar with the brand, but if you were pleased with a mattress from the same brand previously, that's a great sign. We do have our recommended Durability Guidelines that you may be interested in reviewing, as well as this resource on sleeping positions .

If there's a specific model you'd like us to help you evaluate, please let us know!

NikkiTMU
09 Sep 2022 23:09
  • phoenix
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Hi lucymorcos,

Yes, they are very much in business, We'll let them know that you are trying to reach them.
They had some issues with their phone system previously so I am guessing that is happening again. I emailed them and asked them to contact you at the email address you mentioned.
On another note, I’d recommend that you change your username you created on our forum to avoid your email address being harvested by spamming bots and your email added to their spam lists (Click your Profile tab to edit your username). Let me know if you need any help with this

You can purchase the microcoil from DIYmattress directly online . The order fulfillment is unhampered.

Good luck with your project!
Phoenix
09 Sep 2022 22:35
  • phoenix
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix
09 Sep 2022 21:54
  • datrumole
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well, at least as a comfort layer

i cannot seem to get it right. i carry a lot of weight in the hip/butt (vball player, lots of squats in my past), and no matter the combination, that area sinks more than the rest and destroys my back. it's not completely hammocking, its that my butt goes down, but the pushback of the latex pushes up on my back in a weird way. causes my hips to rotate and its just uncomfortable. i'm not interested in zoning as i already had a bodyguard mattress and the zoning caused a host of different issues


That bodyguard mattress you had was fixed zoning (see below) which is not good at all for someone like yourself that has a difficult time getting mattresses to work for you. Also with a BMI near 30 (5"11, 210lbs) and what sounds like a curvy body shape (same situation I was in) I would be very surprised if you could find the perfect combo for you without zoning. What you need is a layer that allows variable zoning (completely customizable, so you can change out the sections to your own liking) such as the V-zone layer (see below) offered by Flobeds. I would start with a medium V-zone for your height/weight and Flobeds will send you new sections with different firmnesses to try if you find you need them. You also aren't limited to just using talalay latex layers in the zoning, I've used dunlop and polyfoams in there as well with great success where I needed more support in certain areas. I know it's probably not what you wanted to hear but I've already been down the same road you are with trying millions of layer combinations and still not finding anything that worked. It wasn't until I finally bit the bullet and tried the V-zone layer and then went through the same trial and error process with that that I was finally able to get my current mattress that works great for both my wife and I.


mattre, my dude!

yeah, thanks for chiming in, feels like we are on a similar journey good sir

i went through most of your suggestions, increasing layers to 4, shit i even went to 2 at one point, went from the firmest latex would allow, from honestly some of the softest. i just, couldnt, get, it, to, work

i dont blame anyone, i get it, latex is amazing, changed my wifes life in how she sleeps (paired with wool comforters, and linen sheets/duvets), so huge win there!

it's almost that latex is too perfect/consistent that it is it's down fall for me. i truly need something that hits a certain distance traveled, and stop. and i'm sure i can dial that in with vzones, but its been 2y, and not a night has gone by where my back hasn't been messed up

my most recent back episode had me calling out of work for 2d, i could barely walk, no joke

so i just cant do more testing, one more night one more night, ok no, shipping, waiting, new thing, one more night one more night....my back is exhausted

i'm 100% ready to try the zoning next time around, but now i need a win, ya know? i just stole a mattress my parents got for their trundle bed for the grandkids. $250 mattress, 6" springs, 2" memory foam. threw it on top of my 44 dunlop, instant improvement on my back. granted it's a stop gap, but just literally moving to mem. foam got me back on my feet. so i know it works, and yeah, it has downsides, but my back for whatever reason instantly agrees. no zoning, no 3-4 nights of guessing, hoping my back wakes up one day and agrees. instant relief, night 1

so my thought being memory foam, paired with a latex support layer, i'm happy to dole out 1-200 every 4-5y to just re-up my memory foam layer while my latex lasts (hopefully) 20y. and maybe when the mem foam dies this next round, i'm energized with a new found motivation to try some vzones

again, thanks for the help, just need to move into something that i know works, ready to experiment more next battle

that said, any help on sourcing some memory foam, what an absolute crap shoot right now, heck even tempur isnt even viable anymore
09 Sep 2022 21:27
  • BillyIdol
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Glad you enjoyed your mattresses.

Im not an expert….but a savvy buyer who is observant.

The best person to listen to on this is yourself. Use the tutorial. Im a huge Tempurpedic fan…but I may be changing to Aireloom M1 Firm or Strealine Luxury Firm. Im looking at Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm. Im thinking the Tempur back support for back sleepers is not as substantial. There is support, but Aireloom support might be better. Im 5 11 at 225 pounds and a back.

Tips
1-Go to 3-6 stores with the mattresses you want. You will notice the same model may feel slightly different. What to do? Take an average. If you liked Streamline over Tempur in 4/5 stores….buy Streamline Aireloom.

2-Wear same sleep clothes to every store and bring your own pillow. Standardize your testing set up. Make notes in a notebook and compare.


Ignore all opinions including mine. Only your opinion matters. My opinion is that the Aireloom Streamline Luxury Firm feels better and will last longer for me. If you like Tempur Pro Adapt Hybrid better….get that. Try the Luxe Adapt Firm!!!! I feel the Tempur had more comfort and pressure relief, but Streamline had more support for my back. Streamline is comfortable too!! Take your time! Pick what you want without prejudice!!

Quick story…I bought a Purple 4 mattress. Feels great (pressure relief). The 4 inches of Purple Grid did not have much support for the back. I was too enchanted with the comfort to realize that my support was terrible!!! I my hips sank too far down and it was killing my back!!!! I had to return it!!! Moral of story….people often are too obsessed with comfort that they forget to pay attention to support!

John
09 Sep 2022 19:34
  • jm2022
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Thank you for your input. I went to try the Aireloom M1/M2 and Aireloom Preferred Streamline Luxury Firm. I really liked the Aireloom Preferred Streamline Luxury Firm a lot. It has a really nice balanced feeling of support, yet some cushion on the top layer. I liked the M1 as well, but preferred the Streamline Luxury Firm a bit more. I also tried the some Tempur-Pedic models and really like the ProAdapt Hybrid Medium. It was really comfortable and I liked the feeling of the coiled support much more than an all foam mattress. I think it's between the Aireloom Luxury Firm and Tempur-Pedic Pro-Adapt Hybrid Medium now. Any input is appreciated.
09 Sep 2022 15:30
  • alfie
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Tested out the Naturepedic Halycon Azure mattress today, and absolutely adored it. Unfortunately it's over $6k for a king, and I really can't justify that price.

The configuration that I loved was the firm coils with the soft 3" dunlop latex layer on top, and the fact that it had a wool/cashmere/alpaca blend topper.
I also tried the Naturepedic EOS, which I liked, but I found that it had more motion transfer than the Azure, and my wife felt like the wool/cashmere/aplaca topper on the Azure made a big difference.

It seems like the winning formula for both me and my wife is:
- hybrid mattress
- firm springs
- soft latex layer
- wool topper on top

A few questions:

1. Does anyone know the primary differences between these two models? The salesperson in the store told us that the chief difference between the EOS and the Azure was a) the quality of the springs was higher on the Azure, and b) the wool topper. It seems like the 3" Dunlop latex layer is the same between the two models.

2. It really felt like there was much less motion transfer on the Azure than on other hybrids we tried (both vs other brands and vs the EOS) - is this down to the difference in coils? The wool topper layer? Our imagination? Motion isolation is very important to us as we are both very light sleepers.

3. Would we be able to replicate the feel of this mattress with another brand or with a DIY option? I don't know how much variability there is between Naturepedic's springs and other brands' springs, I've read on this forum that Naturepedic's definition of "soft" dunlop latex might significantly softer than options offered through SleepEZ for example. I don't know how true that is, but it makes me a little nervous because if the softest from a DIY brand is too firm, there's not really much room to go softer.

4. Given that my wife and I seem to know what we want (firm base, soft latex layer, and natural topper) is there something/somewhere else we should be looking? I think we'd be willing to spend up to $3.5k, but $6k+ plus taxes is crazy.

Thanks in advance!
09 Sep 2022 12:04
  • Basilio
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Great! Glad you found the info useful. Sounds like you have a plan… you could also get some smaller buckwheat hull pillows you could use to adjust the height as well, instead of towels which will likely move around and shift a bit while you sleep. I wish you success in your final adjustments!

~ Basilio
09 Sep 2022 09:50
  • Mattrebuild
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well, at least as a comfort layer

i cannot seem to get it right. i carry a lot of weight in the hip/butt (vball player, lots of squats in my past), and no matter the combination, that area sinks more than the rest and destroys my back. it's not completely hammocking, its that my butt goes down, but the pushback of the latex pushes up on my back in a weird way. causes my hips to rotate and its just uncomfortable. i'm not interested in zoning as i already had a bodyguard mattress and the zoning caused a host of different issues


That bodyguard mattress you had was fixed zoning (see below) which is not good at all for someone like yourself that has a difficult time getting mattresses to work for you. Also with a BMI near 30 (5"11, 210lbs) and what sounds like a curvy body shape (same situation I was in) I would be very surprised if you could find the perfect combo for you without zoning. What you need is a layer that allows variable zoning (completely customizable, so you can change out the sections to your own liking) such as the V-zone layer (see below) offered by Flobeds. I would start with a medium V-zone for your height/weight and Flobeds will send you new sections with different firmnesses to try if you find you need them. You also aren't limited to just using talalay latex layers in the zoning, I've used dunlop and polyfoams in there as well with great success where I needed more support in certain areas. I know it's probably not what you wanted to hear but I've already been down the same road you are with trying millions of layer combinations and still not finding anything that worked. It wasn't until I finally bit the bullet and tried the V-zone layer and then went through the same trial and error process with that that I was finally able to get my current mattress that works great for both my wife and I.

Bodyguard


V-zone (top layer on mattress)
09 Sep 2022 08:26
  • datrumole
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Hi datrumole.

I wish I had a great answer here that would help. My immediate thought was you require zoning in the hips, but you've stated here that you're not interested in zoning. What happens if you attempt to firm the mattress up underneath (like, extra support under the mattress with a plank or something to that effect)?

I'm hoping our other DIYers will chime in with their thoughts and trial/error experiences to help you throw more ideas around. Could a firmer transition layer be the answer?

NikkiTMU


yeah, thanks

i think the only thing was wanting to try was doing my 44d/44d/2" 36d/1" 19d or 34d (limited options in the 1" availability)

thinking that i need to limit my travel, but also have some comfort

but i'm done with all the return shipping, and i'm pretty much out of 'free one time returns per year'

i just stole my parents trundle bed $250 mattress, it's a crummy little 6" spring and 2" memory foam, put it on top of my 44d layer, and it was much improved. is it more comfortable than latex, no, i WANT latex to work, but did my back finally not ache, yes, and right now thats what i'm after

so that said, seems like there is limited memory foam knowledge on this forum as latex seems to work for a lot of people, it gets recommended by most, and there isnt much real world experience with the memory foam diy builds
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