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22 Oct 2015 10:01
  • phoenix
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Hi chanpou,

Thanks for taking the time to come back and share an update with your comments and feedback ... I appreciate it.

It's great to see that your mattress and the other accessories you purchased are working out so well for you :)

Thanks for the kind comments as well ... and I'm glad the site was able to help you.

Phoenix
22 Oct 2015 08:25
  • chanpou
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I forgot to add: thank you Phoenix for this site. Had I not found this site, I would probably have made another purchase of a lower quality traditional coil mattress with pillowtop, or have paid too much for a latex mattress. The information you provide is invaluable.
22 Oct 2015 08:21
  • chanpou
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I thought I'd post an update given that it's been over 6 months since our purchase, and I can now give a more accurate account on our comfort with our new mattress.. We just came back from a 1-week vacation and I was sooo happy to get back in my own bed - that made me realize how much I've come to love my new latex mattress. Even my husband, who wasn't too sure about the latex mattress initially, has confirmed recently that he really loves it as well, even more than our prior coil mattress with pillowtop. Speaking for myself, the latex mattress feels just right: soft enough for pressure relief, but firm enough to offer good support. I've come to appreciate it more and more as the weeks went by - so I certainly recommend giving it some time even if it doesn't feel quite right or "perfect" from the start, after the initial purchase. To complete my new mattress, I also now sleep on a latex pillow, also purchased at Literie Provinciale, and I have a Lanoodle body pillow that I purchased after reading about their products on this site - it's heaven! The only downside to all of this: it makes it difficult to get out of bed in the morning ! :)
13 Sep 2015 10:01
  • phoenix
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Hi Gwinters,

Love the site and forum, it saved us from buying a Simmons Black semi-firm mattress for 1,800 CAD today then demistified the Google reviews for Saatva mattresses.


I'm glad you found us :)

Do you have any brands/stores you would recommend in the montreal area that would offer a product similar to the Simmons mattress above but with a better value/quality?


There is more information in post #9 here about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one. Every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress "as a whole" so unless you are able to find another mattress that uses exactly the same type of materials, components, cover, layer thicknesses, layer firmnesses, and overall design (which would be very unlikely) then there really isn't a way to match one mattress to another one in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on the specifications of the mattress.

Mattress manufacturers generally try to differentiate their mattress from the mattresses made by other manufacturers and don't normally try to "match" another mattress that is made by a different manufacturer so while you may find similar mattresses that use "similar" materials or designs and there would be many others that are in a similar general category (see this article ) ... it's very unlikely that you will find another mattress that is specifically designed to "match" or "approximate" the Beautyrest Black you tested so the only way to know how two mattresses compare for you in terms of how they "feel" or in terms of firmness or PPP would be based on your own careful testing or actual sleeping experience on both of them.

The Beautyrest Black also uses lower quality materials so I certainly wouldn't want to "match" the quality of the materials inside the Beautyrest.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Montreal area (subject to making sure than any mattress you consider meets the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #276 here .

A forum search on Montreal (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback from other members in the area that may be helpful as well.

Phoenix
13 Sep 2015 05:35
  • Gwinters
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Hi
Love the site and forum, it saved us from buying a Simmons Black semi-firm mattress for 1,800 CAD today then demistified the Google reviews for Saatva mattresses.

Do you have any brands/stores you would recommend in the montreal area that would offer a product similar to the Simmons mattress above but with a better value/quality?

Thank you very much!!!

Guillaume
18 May 2015 22:03
  • phoenix
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Hi Pegabo,

In any event I think the biggest takeaway here is that the next step is to test many different types of latex and this will probably lead to either its elimination or falling in love with one of the latex models we see...

Thank you and perhaps I'll update soon!


That makes sense to me ... and I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback once you've had a chance to do some additional testing and decide how you feel about latex in general.

You've probably already seen this but just in case you haven't the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Montreal area (subject to the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #276 here .

Phoenix
18 May 2015 19:38
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Hi Pegabo,

We're in Montreal. We visited Literie Provincale for step 1 (initial feel).
I am 6'1 165lb and she's 5'8 130lb.

Phoenix, you explain at the end of the "initial feel" stage that "it is time to go home and take a look at why you liked the ones you did. If you don't see the pattern, then our forum and the rest of this website is the place to go to ask your questions".
Well here I am!


The article "5 steps to your perfect mattress" was written over 4 years ago when the site was first started and is probably more complex than it really needs to be. While it contains some valuable information ... over the course of the next few months I will be rewriting it (and the current tutorial) to amalgamate and simplify the information they contain into one tutorial but for now I would follow the testing guidelines that are linked in step 4 of the mattress shopping tutorial here which is a simpler process and just use the information in the "5 steps" section as additional information that may be helpful rather than as a specific process.

The mattresses that we have chosen based on the "initial feel" vary greatly Here is the list:

2 x 3/8" cotton quilting
2" 100% Natural Talalay 21 ILD (all latex at that store is 100% natural)
6" 36 ILD

1" Tencel quilting
1.5" 18lb foam (quality 3lb)
4" 35lb foam (quality 3lb)
[ i now realize that perhaps the 18 and 35 are ILD? ]

tencel quilting
2" 5.5lb memory foam
2" poly
innerspring core, 1200 springs.

The fourth is same innerspring core but smaller comfort layer (i think 1" foam) and double sided.

So within our 4 choices there are 3 types of cores and 3 types of comfort layers.
Here are my questions:

1) do you see a pattern in these choices? progressive construction perhaps?


The first mattress you listed has a latex comfort layer but I don't know the type of support core it contains (although I'm guessing it's also latex?).

The second mattress you listed doesn't mention the type of foam in the layers (polyfoam, memory foam, latex foam) so I'm not sure what type of foam is in each layer.

The third mattress has memory foam and polyfoam in the comfort layers and an innerspring (I'm guessing a pocket coil) for the support core.

The last mattress you mentioned also has an innerspring support core of some type but I don't know the specifics of the comfort layer.

These are all very different mattresses and overall I don't see a specific pattern that I can identify no. if you really don't have a preference between these 4 mattresses (you really don't know which one you would choose if you had to choose one of them at this point) that can identify the type of comfort layers or support core that you tend to prefer then it's quite possible that you really don't have a preference between mattresses or materials and that the firmness or softness or overall response of a mattress is a more important part of how it "feels" for you than the types of materials or components inside it.

2) Is it possible that we picked these 4 because the firmness/softness levels of everything in the showroom, applied to our preference, yields these 4 and that, really, if each configuration's softness/firmness level was adjusted to our liking, we'd be able to better discern which materials we like?


While you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress so I really don't know why you chose these four ... it's very possible that their general firmness or softness is the common denominator that led to you choosing them.

3) For the latex, it felt too bouncy for me, but its 100% natural talalay and in low ILD this is to be expected, if I recall? overall we are not sure about latex due to bounciness but we want to make sure we don't reject it for nothing because on paper it is the best material.and we would appreciate its breathability and durability.


If it's possible I would try several different latex mattresses in different firmness levels and that use different types of latex because there are hundreds of different latex mattress designs that would each feel very different from each other but if you feel that all of them are too bouncy for your preferences then it would probably be a good idea to focus on different types of mattresses and materials.

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences ... in that order) is always the most important part of the "value" of any mattress purchase regardless of the type of mattress or materials it has inside it. This would be followed by the durability of the materials and the last priority would be all the other preferences that are important to you.

5) When I was on the latex mentioned above I felt I was 'in' the mattress whereas for memory foam I don't recall feeling that, Is this possible?


While this wouldn't be the usual feedback for people who have compared memory foam and latex in an apples to apples comparison (see post #2 here about memory foam vs latex) ... your own personal experience always "trumps" theory or other people's experiences. The memory foam mattress you tested may have been firmer than the latex mattress so you could have been sinking in more into the latex or some of the other materials or components in the mattresses you tested may also be affecting how they feel to you besides just the memory foam or the latex in each of them but in the end it doesn't really matter what you are "supposed" to feel or "why" you feel what you do and what you "actually" feel on a specific mattress is all that really matters.

6) We both sleep on both back + side. Should this change the equation? One guy at the store said the memory foam choice above would be especially good for side sleeping.


The type of material or the type of mattress that each person prefers is a personal preference not a "better worse" choice and there isn't a specific material that is better for certain sleeping positions. While it's certainly true that your sleeping positions can affect your choice of mattress and in general terms side sleepers tend to need thicker/softer comfort layers than back or stomach sleepers ... every type of material and mattress has a very wide range of firmness choices and designs that can be suitable for any sleeping position. It's possible that the salesperson was referring to choosing between specific mattresses rather than meaning memory foam as a whole (some memory foam mattresses would be much too firm for some side sleepers for example) but the design of a mattress and the thickness and firmness of the comfort layers and the firmness of the support layers are a much more important part of whether a mattress is a suitable "match" for you in all your sleeping positions than the specific materials inside it and the best way to know whether any mattress is a good match for you is based on your own careful testing and experience. Your body will tell you more than any "theory".

7) Is information found online about "other activities" taking place on a memory foam mattress going to be accurate or must experiences with lower quality memory foams be discounted?


There isn't any consensus between people about which type of material is best for sex and it's certainly a very personal preference that can vary widely between people but in very general terms there would be more people that would tend to prefer more resilient, faster responding, and less motion restricting materials (like latex, polyfoam, or innersprings) than less resilient, slower response, and more motion restricting materials such as memory foam. There is more about sex and memory foam in post #2 here .

Phoenix
18 May 2015 15:27
  • Pegabo
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Hi there,
We're in Montreal. We visited Literie Provincale for step 1 (initial feel).
I am 6'1 165lb and she's 5'8 130lb.

Phoenix, you explain at the end of the "initial feel" stage that "it is time to go home and take a look at why you liked the ones you did. If you don't see the pattern, then our forum and the rest of this website is the place to go to ask your questions".
Well here I am!

The mattresses that we have chosen based on the "initial feel" vary greatly Here is the list:

2 x 3/8" cotton quilting
2" 100% Natural Talalay 21 ILD (all latex at that store is 100% natural)
6" 36 ILD

1" Tencel quilting
1.5" 18lb foam (quality 3lb)
4" 35lb foam (quality 3lb)
[ i now realize that perhaps the 18 and 35 are ILD? ]

tencel quilting
2" 5.5lb memory foam
2" poly
innerspring core, 1200 springs.

The fourth is same innerspring core but smaller comfort layer (i think 1" foam) and double sided.

So within our 4 choices there are 3 types of cores and 3 types of comfort layers.
Here are my questions:

1) do you see a pattern in these choices? progressive construction perhaps?
2) Is it possible that we picked these 4 because the firmness/softness levels of everything in the showroom, applied to our preference, yields these 4 and that, really, if each configuration's softness/firmness level was adjusted to our liking, we'd be able to better discern which materials we like?
3) For the latex, it felt too bouncy for me, but its 100% natural talalay and in low ILD this is to be expected, if I recall? overall we are not sure about latex due to bounciness but we want to make sure we don't reject it for nothing because on paper it is the best material.and we would appreciate its breathability and durability.
5) When I was on the latex mentioned above I felt I was 'in' the mattress whereas for memory foam I don't recall feeling that, Is this possible?
6) We both sleep on both back + side. Should this change the equation? One guy at the store said the memory foam choice above would be especially good for side sleeping.
7) Is information found online about "other activities" taking place on a memory foam mattress going to be accurate or must experiences with lower quality memory foams be discounted?

thanks!
28 Apr 2015 11:34
  • phoenix
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Hi France,

I almost bought the Dormeo Octaspring 5500, but after reading really bad reviews, I don't know if it's a good idea:
questionrs.com/tube/ E2yCuSl6E3I/dormeo-octaspring- review-6500-mattress-6-months- old-real-customer

http://www.reviews-mattress. com/dormeo-octaspring-reviews. html
Etc.


I would be cautious about using other people's reviews or experiences on a mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how suitable a mattress may be for you or the durability of a mattress and in many cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else either in terms of suitability and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) or in terms of durability (see post #13 here ). Reviews about the knowledge or service at a particular store can certainly be helpful but when it comes to the specifics of a mattress they won't provide you with the type of reliable information you will need to make an informed choice about how well you will sleep on a mattress, how long you will sleep well, or the "value" of a mattress purchase compared to all the other options that are available to you either in your area or online.

Now, I'm really not sure if what should buy:
- a Zbed (www.matelasbonheur.ca/ en/zedbed-snowpedic-gravite. html),
- a Green Sleep: www.matelasbonheur.ca/ en/pure-comfort-green-sleep. html
- a Dormeo: www.dormezvous.com/ products/tabid/131/products/ 280/mattresses/dormeo- octaspring-5500/language/en- us/default.aspx


Two of the more important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress that is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

The most important part of "value" of a mattress purchase is comfort and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) which you will be able to assess with your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) but outside of PPP a mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality and durability of the materials inside it and the durability and useful lifetime of a mattress is also a very important part of the value of a mattress. No matter how it may feel in a showroom ... there would be little value in buying a mattress where the use of lower quality and less durable materials leads to foam softening and the loss of comfort and support much too quickly after a purchase and foam softening and the loss of comfort and support isn't considered to be a defect and isn't covered by a mattress warranty (see post #174 here ). The information you need to assess the durability of a mattress is listed in this article .

Zbed doesn't list the specifics of the materials in the Snowpedic description so if you can find out the specifics of the type and density of all the foam layers and post it on the forum I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality and durability of the materials. Without this information it's not possible for me to make any meaningful comments about the quality or durability of the materials in a mattress.

The Green Sleep Pure Comfort uses high quality materials (100% natural Dunlop) and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress so it would certainly be a durable choice although it's also in a higher budget range than other latex mattresses that may also be suitable for you so I would make sure you make some careful value comparisons based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

There is more information and comments about the Dormeo Octaspring mattresses in post #2 here and the posts it links to but I would make sure you confirm the thickness and density of all the foam layers before a purchase and I would also make some careful "value" comparisons with this mattress as well.

I also heard about Essentia store...


You can read some of my thoughts about Essentia and some of the misleading claims they make and some forum discussions with them in this thread and this thread and posts #3 and #4 here ). Needless to say I would be very cautious here.

After reading your tutorial and articles, I think I'd rather go with a latex mattress. Do you think you can give me an advice?


I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion about which mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own personal testing or sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

The best advice I can provide is to follow the 5 steps in the mattress shopping tutorial one at a time which will give you the best possible chance of finding a mattress that is the most suitable, the most durable, and the best "value" for you based on all the criteria that are most important to you. Of course if you have any specific questions along the way that I can help with or if you are given some information that needs a "fact check" then I'm certainly happy to answer them to the best of my ability as well.

Once you are at step 3 in the tutorial then the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Montreal area (subject to the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier) are listed in post #276 here .

A forum search on Montreal (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback from other members in the area that may be helpful as well.

Phoenix
28 Apr 2015 09:28
  • France
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Hi,
I live in Montréal (Québec). I'm looking to buy a new mattress, but after going in many stores, trying latex and memory foam beds, readings reviews... I'm more indecise than at the beginning!

I almost bought the Dormeo Octaspring 5500, but after reading really bad reviews, I don't know if it's a good idea:
questionrs.com/tube/ E2yCuSl6E3I/dormeo-octaspring- review-6500-mattress-6-months- old-real-customer

http://www.reviews-mattress. com/dormeo-octaspring-reviews. html
Etc.

Now, I'm really not sure if what should buy:
- a Zbed (www.matelasbonheur.ca/ en/zedbed-snowpedic-gravite. html),
- a Green Sleep: www.matelasbonheur.ca/ en/pure-comfort-green-sleep. html
- a Dormeo: www.dormezvous.com/ products/tabid/131/products/ 280/mattresses/dormeo- octaspring-5500/language/en- us/default.aspx

or something else.

I also heard about Essentia store...

I'm 5'3'' and 107 pounds.

After reading your tutorial and articles, I think I'd rather go with a latex mattress. Do you think you can give me an advice?

Thank you so much!
10 Apr 2015 14:04
  • suspent
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Hi Phoenix,
Thanks a lot for the informed reply.
Too bad that the mattresses I mentioned are not recommended by you :(.
The specs that I gave is about all that was presented to me and what I was able to find online.
I would also prefer to buy my mattress elsewhere and not in a major retailer (i.e. Sleep Country). I reside in Montreal and we actually have some mattress manufacturers in the province.
My limitation is that I received a $800 from Sleep Country store for my birthday, so I have no choice but to get the mattress from there.
Your arguments from other posts regarding the cheap construction and use of lesser quality foams and high marketing costs of major manufacturers such as Sealy make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, in my case, I cannot start a "fresh" mattress shopping endeavor.

Wish I had more choices, but here in the Sleep Country store I am mainly restricted by major manufacturers which have similar negative characteristics from what I understand..
That being out a side,I suppose I can personally give a priority to the second mattress over my first choice, as I mentioned as it has 2" top layer of memory foam, which I assume would not cause the mattress to lose it's comfort and support right away. In a way, it looks like it is the best from the worst. Based on reviews online, It is the starting mattress in the Sealy Optimum line and the most popular one.. At least if it can hold up better than the first Sealy Luxuria mattress it would be a good choice..

Thanks.
20 Mar 2015 08:38
  • Stephanie
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Thanks for the links, Phoenix. We'll be patient and let the mattress loosen up a bit before making further assumptions about our comfort. ;-) 30 nights it is!
20 Mar 2015 08:31
  • phoenix
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Hi Stephanie,

I've been searching with no success for a thread on showroom vs. home comfort—Phoenix, can you point me in the right direction?


While there's always a possibility that your mattress is the wrong firmness level ... it's completely normal for a new mattress to feel firmer than a mattress in a showroom because there will be a break in and adjustment period over the course of the first few weeks. There is more about this in post #2 here and in post #3 here .

Phoenix
20 Mar 2015 07:35
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Hi, chanpou,

I'm glad to hear you're happy with your bed. Comfort is so important!

We end up buying our mattress at Matelas Selection, and it arrived yesterday. We chose a "super soft" comfort layer, and yet the mattress feels firmer than the firm comfort layer we had tried in the showroom! (We end up buying an innerspring mattress with a latex and foam comfort layer.) I'm wondering if it isn't a manufacturing error. I've been searching with no success for a thread on showroom vs. home comfort—Phoenix, can you point me in the right direction?
18 Mar 2015 18:59
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Hi Chanpou,

The only way to really find out if you bought 100% all natural latex, would be to ask the owner were they source their Talalay from, and contact the company directly to confirm what type of latex the company is buying from them and how it is labeled.

Good luck with your purchase
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