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24 Dec 2019 13:25
  • Sensei
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Hey Gennysleeps,

Checking back to see how things are going with your Matelas Sélection mattress shopping :) .

I am indeed considering their hybrid mattress, and I am aware the base layer is made of polyfoam, topped by a 3 inches latex layer. I am considering that one for 3 reasons.
1. Budget...
2. I think I find it more comfortable than the all latex. I think I am realising that all latex is too much for me, I feel the "spring" feeling too much. I like when my body can "sink" in the mattress, that the weight of my body is really absorbed by it, that,s how I'm able to relax and hopefully sleep (sleep has been a real problem for me in the last years).
3. The safety regarding health qualities of their HR foam seems to be almost as good as -or as good as- latex, with many high-level certifications. Also, I have read here that a good HR foam lasts almost as long as latex... And they do give the same warranty of 20 years...

Their customer service so far has been excellent.


Sounds like you've done a good job researching their hybrid mattress and that your findings seem in line with your PPP/ Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences. Do you have any updates on your findings?

Thanks,
Sensei
12 Dec 2019 09:57
  • Gennysleeps
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Hey Sensei,

I am indeed considering their hybrid mattress, and I am aware the base layer is made of polyfoam, topped by a 3 inches latex layer. I am considering that one for 3 reasons.
1. Budget...
2. I think I find it more comfortable than the all latex. I think I am realising that all latex is too much for me, I feel the "spring" feeling too much. I like when my body can "sink" in the mattress, that the weight of my body is really absorbed by it, that,s how I'm able to relax and hopefully sleep (sleep has been a real problem for me in the last years).
3. The safety regarding health qualities of their HR foam seems to be almost as good as -or as good as- latex, with many high-level certifications. Also, I have read here that a good HR foam lasts almost as long as latex... And they do give the same warranty of 20 years...

Their customer service so far has been excellent.

What do you think?

Thank you

GS
05 Dec 2019 15:56
  • Sensei
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Hey Gennysleeps,

Glad to have been of help earlier :) .

I think Matelas Sélection seem to be trustworthy, so I think I'm going to go with them. I made a mistake (if I go with the foam support layer instead of all latex): I said their foam was HD but they say it's HR. I don't understand though, they say it has a "comfort factor" of 3, but they say density is "more than 2.3 lbs/cu.ft". Isn't density supposed to be 2.5lbs/cu.ft or more to be considered HR?


Just curious, which of their mattresses are you considering? According to the Matelas Sélection site, I do see that they describe their composite mattresses as having "high quality and high resilience 6-inch soybean oil based Ecologix foam foundation with a density rating superior to 2.3 lbs/ cu ft" and "the open cell structure of the foam used in the foundation of this mattress has a comfort rating of 3 (In comparison, the vast majority of conventional foams use a rating of 2)."

Regarding "High Density/ HD" and "High Resilience/ HR" numbers, these are density measurements referring to polyurethane foams. Poly-foams can be used as a base layer in mattresses instead of traditional innerspring coils. Whether the poly-foam is "HR" or "HD", it is still less dense than a latex or memory foam layer and as a synthetic component it would degrade over time more quickly than a latex mattress.

Cheers,
Sensei
04 Dec 2019 07:44
  • Gennysleeps
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Thanks so much Sensei for your reply, it helps a lot.

I think Matelas Sélection seem to be trustworthy, so I think I'm going to go with them. I made a mistake (if I go with the foam support layer instead of all latex): I said their foam was HD but they say it's HR. I don't understand though, they say it has a "comfort factor" of 3, but they say density is "more than 2.3 lbs/cu.ft". Isn't density supposed to be 2.5lbs/cu.ft or more to be considered HR?

Thank you again for your help! Yes, I will absolutely let you know what I decide.
03 Dec 2019 15:47
  • Sensei
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Hey Gennysleeps,

Thanks for joining the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks too for your kind words, good to know that you find the resources here useful.

My first (question) relates to the percentage natural rubber in the Talalay latex. I read the thread about the difference between natural and synthetic latex and the advantages and disadvantages of both. Because of my budget and because I want to make sure my new mattress lasts, I don't mind the mattress not being 100% natural latex. But I want to know what I am buying (and at the same time get a feel of the trustworthiness of the retailers I am visiting so I am asking, and I get all kinds of answers.


This is a good question as there is often confusion between "latex" the natural rubber from a rubber tree and "Talalay" the blended process of manufacturing latex as a mattress component. Talalay Global, located in Shelton, CT is an international supplier of Talalay Latex, providing cores, toppers, pillows and other components to mattress manufacturers worldwide. They produce 3 recognized formulations: (1) a "standard" synthetic blend, 30NR /70 SBR, consisting of roughly 30% natural rubber combined with 70% synthetic rubber or "SBR"; (2) a "natural" blend formulation for the growing category of "Natural" components, featuring 100% natural rubber with no "SBR"; or (3) a "custom" blend, the ability to create any variety of natural/ synthetic combinations by manufacturer request. This type process is generally cost-prohibitive to most manufacturers as nearly 80% of the component business falls into the "standard synthetic" blend category.

Then at Matelas Sélection, they told me that their Talalay latex was 80% natural, and that their supplier is ALSO Talalay Global. Is this possible? I read in another post that the blends are usually 30 NR/70 SBR. Do Talalay Global make different percentages in their blends?


Referring back to the above mentioned 3 formulations/ point 2, it is possible that Matelas Sélection carries something closer to a "natural blend" formulation, just visited their web site and they have more of a "natural" product story, but this is merely speculation as I have no way to verify this as fact.

Then at Literie Laurier, they say their supplier is better, Vita Talalay. Is their latex really better quality?


Both Talalay Global and Vita Talalay would feel that each has a superior product; perhaps we turn this one over to the TMU consumers and ask what their experiences have been…

My last question is: is the 5% rebate supposed to be valid in retailers of this list here? (#276): www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-...it=15&start=270#3912


Read your latest post and saw you found this answer earlier ;). Glad that you feel the Trusted Member Guidelines are helpful and looking forward to hearing about your mattress purchase decision, keep us updated :) .

Thanks,
Sensei
03 Dec 2019 08:30
  • Gennysleeps
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I re-read the guidelines and it answered my last question! :)
02 Dec 2019 13:46
  • Gennysleeps
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Believe it or not, I'm not used to forums, so I dont know if I'm posting my questions in the right section, but I AM looking for a latex mattress in Montreal! And thank you so, so much for this forum. Without it I would be much more discouraged than I am now ;) What a crazy market.

I have 2 main questions. My first one relates to the percentage natural rubber in the Talalay latex. I read the thread about the difference between natural and synthetic latex and the advantages and disadvantages of both. Because of my budget and because I want to make sure my new mattress lasts, I don't mind the mattress not being 100% natural latex. But I want to know what I am buying (and at the same time get a feel of the trustworthiness of the retailers I am visiting) so I am asking, and I get all kinds of answers. The first one I asked was Matelas Dauphin. They first told me it was 80% natural, then 60, and finally the person who really knew said it was 30% of natural rubber, the rest being "additives". That person told me their supplier was Talalay Global.

Then at Matelas Sélection, they told me that their Talalay latex was 80% natural, and that their supplier is ALSO Talalay Global. Is this possible? I read in another post that the blends are usually 30 NR/70 SBR. Do Talalay Global make different percentages in their blends? I even wrote to Talalay Global directly with this question and they were very evasive in their response. I mean, there is no way for me to verify the validity of what Matelas Sélection is saying. I do prefer their mattress, especially because they have more choice of firmness for the comfort layer (Dauphin only has 2: one with just a 6" 36 ILD, the other one with a 6" 36 ILD and a 2" 19 ILD comfort layer. I like the in-between for the comfort layer, like 28 ILD.) They also have a cover with a zipper in case you want to change the firmness of the layer. But the matress is more expansive, and I would have to take the hybrid (6" high density foam and 3" latex on top). They say their foam is excellent quality, from Belgium. Their customer service seems to be really good too.

Then at Literie Laurier, they say their supplier is better, Vita Talalay. Is their latex really better quality? At Literie Provinciale, they say their latex is 100% natural but their prices are a bit lower so I am skeptical... They also seem to have had problems with their customer service in the last few years.

My last question is: is the 5% rebate supposed to be valid in retailers of this list here? (#276): www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/general-mattresses/43-the-serta-icomfort-mattress--whats-the-buzz.html?limit=15&start=270#3912

Again, thank you so much for this forum and for your help in this jungle of mattress shopping!
16 Nov 2019 09:37
  • Hashimoto
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Hi,
I recently posted in one of the threads to share my shopping experience in Montreal and to ask for advice, and I realized the post was very long , so I am hoping I can make a shorter post asking for advice about the mattresses I am most interested in (I hope that's ok). I took Matelas Dauphin out of the equation because they weren't as transparent or knowledgeable about the materials they used and they are overall more expensive than the 2 other smaller manufacturers I visited.

I am 6'2", ~210lbs, back + side sleeper.
My wife is 5'6", ~135lbs, stomack + side sleeper.

Matelas Excellence mattresses:
All-Latex bed:
2" ILD 28 Talalay w/ 3.8 lbs density
6" ILD 44 Talalay w/ 5.1 lbs density
Zippered cover, so we can reverse a layer easily.
This mattress felt very nice as far as comfort and pressure relief are concerned.

All-foam bed:
2" polyfoam comfort layer, 3 lbs density.
4" polyfoam for support, firm, 2.7lbs density.
2" polyfoam comfort layer, 3 lbs density.
Reversible mattress.

Matelas Beau-Reve:

Latex Mattress:
Approximately 10-11" thick.
Reversible.
3" ILD 28/34 Talalay
2" polyfoam, 2.9lbs density.
3" ILD 28/34 Talalay.
The added coating will fill the rest. Cotton cover.
Mattress is reinforced on the side with polyfoam, I believe 2.9lbs as well, probably firm.

Foam Mattress:
Approximately 10-11" thick as well.
Reversible.
All 2.9lbs foam. Apparently it's all one 8" piece.
THe coating has a 1" layer of polyfoam I believe called "Coquille d'oeuf". That translates to "egg shell" in english, but I think the actual term to use here is "egg crate"?
Reinforced on the sides. I think it's also 2.9lbs or maybe 3.4lbs firm. I don't remember the exact detail here.

Beau-Reve says we should flip and rotate these mattresses every 4 months.

My questions:
1. Matelas beau-reve mattresses seem to have an unusual layering compared to what's on the market. Is this normal due to them being reversible, or are there some glaring issues with them?
2. The all-foam bed from Excellence is decently cheaper than the one from Beau-Reve. What could be the reason for that? (1120$ vs 1390$)
3. Overall, do you see any glaring issues with any of the mattresses as far as durability or long-term comfort, or do they all make a good choice?

Thank you very much.
14 Nov 2019 11:20
  • Hashimoto
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Hi,

I live in Montreal and am currently shopping for a mattress to replace our old queen mattress. I was set on getting a Casper or similar at first, but then I discovered TMU and changed my mind.

I'm not sure where to post this, so I'm posting this here. It would be great if the admins can move it to its own thread.

I read through many of the articles and tutorials here and went through a lot of the threads before starting my shopping and I thought I would both share my experience and get some advice from the experts here. The prices will all be for queen mattresses, tax in.

We are shopping for a queen mattress, potentially a king.
I am 6'2", ~210lbs, back + side sleeper.
My wife is 5'6", ~135lbs, stomack + side sleeper.

I visited 3 manufacturers in Laval, just north of the Montreal island:
1. Matelas Dauphin
2. Matelas Excellence
3. Matelas Beau-Reve

My wife only went with me to matelas Dauphin.

Matelas Dauphin:

While matelas Dauphin is a manufacturer, the people in the store are salesmen. The guy that was helping us seemed knowledgeable overall and wasn't pushy, but that's not true for everybody. There were some details I missed, so I attempted to call some other Dauphin stores and the answer was often "Oh I have no idea! I would have to call the factory and call you back". I wasn't a fan of the fact that they couldn't answer a bunch of questions, especially when it came to memory foam density.

Apparently all their polyfoam is between 2lbs and 3lbs density.
They say their latex is all 100% natural Talalay, with 4.5-5lbs density (does density matter for latex?)

We liked 3 mattresses there:

Hevea Aurora (this is not on their website):
8.5" thick.
Top layer is wool + organic cotton.
2" Talalay latex ILD 19.
2" Aurora foam transition. I was told it's same density as the support layer, but I'm not so sure.
4" polyfoam support layer, 2.5 lbs density.
$1700

Ceiba (matelasdauphin.com/en/product/ceiba/)
12" thick.
Top layer is wool + organic cotton
2" Polyfoam, 2.5lbs density.
1" Talalay latex ILD 19.
2" polyfoam 2.5 lbs density.
6" pocketed coil, 14-15 gage, 660 count for queen.
Lateral support of high-density foam. I'm given a range of 2.5 to 3 lbs.
$1570

London (Bed in) (matelasdauphin.com/en/product/london/)
Bed in a box
10" thick.
2" Gel-infused memory foam. Nobody managed to tell me the density for the memory foam.
6" Pocketed coil, 14-15 gage, 660 count for queen.
2" Polyfoam. They didn't have the spec for density, but would tell me 2 to 3 lbs.
Lateral support of high-density foam. I'm given a range of 2.5 to 3 lbs.
Price for London in store is $1700 as opposed to the $2900 you see on the website.

All 3 felt good as far as comfort and pressure relief. I prefer the Hevea and Ceiba over the London personally. My wife prefers the London over the other 2.

Matelas Excellence:

A small manufacturer in Laval. There's no show-room. The owner puts different layers topped with a cover on a foundation, and you try it out like that. You can customize as you wish, but the owner has his own recommendations.
The owner recommends we avoid memory foam. He says it feels good at the beginning, but it doesn't last very long.
He uses Talalay Latex as well. The top layer they add seems to be either cotton, or synthetic, but he doesn't have much more info about that.

Here's what I liked.

All-Latex bed:
2" ILD 28 Talalay w/ 3.8 lbs density
6" ILD 44 Talalay w/ 5.1 lbs density
Zippered cover, so we can reverse a layer easily.
This mattress felt very nice as far as comfort and pressure relief are concerned. Dauphin only had 1 all-latex mattress w/ ILD 19 and we felt we sunk in too much.
$2070

All-foam bed:
2" polyfoam comfort layer, 3 lbs density.
4" polyfoam for support, firm, 2.7lbs density.
2" polyfoam comfort layer, 3 lbs density.
Reversible mattress.
$1120

Mattress felt very nice as far as comfort and pressure relief. It's also half the price of the latex mattress! Owner says it obviously won't last as long as the latex mattress though.

Owner doesn't recommend going hybrid w/ a foam support and latex top since the foam will last less than the latex.
What he suggests in that case is to make a 6" polyform support mattress, and then have a 2" Talalay topper on top (no cover). This way, we can potentially just replace one or the other. Price jumps up to $1265 for that option.


Matelas Beau-Reve:

A small manufacturer in Laval. They have a small show-room, but they also manufacture their mattresses right there. Owner is a very straight forward guy. They make mattresses with pocketed coils (I think, I'm unsure), polyfoam, and Talalay latex. Owner doesn't recommend memory foam either for the same reason as mentioned before. He also doesn't recommend the pocketed coils for the weight difference between my wife and I as I will end up rolling to the middle. All the mattresses they make are reversible, and they ask you to flip them every 4 months.

I tried Latex and polyfoam mattresses.

Latex Mattress:
Approximately 10-11" thick.
Reversible.
3" ILD 28/34 Talalay
2" polyfoam, 2.9lbs density.
3" ILD 28/34 Talalay.
The added coating will fill the rest. Cotton cover.
Mattress is reinforced on the side with polyfoam, I believe 2.9lbs as well, probably firm.
$1880

Foam Mattress:
Approximately 10-11" thick as well.
Reversible.
All 2.9lbs foam. Apparently it's all one 8" piece.
THe coating has a 1" layer of polyfoam I believe called "Coquille d'oeuf". That translates to "egg shell" in english, but I think the actual term to use here is "egg crate"?
Reinforced on the sides. I think it's also 2.9lbs or maybe 3.4lbs firm. I don't remember the exact detail here.
$1390

Both mattresses were available in firm and semi-firm options. The owner showed me different density pieces and showed me how 2 pieces of same density can have different firmness levels, so that was cool. He also showed me all the densities he has: 1.6, 1.9, 2.35, 2.9, 3.4, and told me how he wouldn't recommend anything below 2.35 in my case.

For latex mattress: I like both semi-firm and firm options, with a slight preference to the firm one as far as comfort and pressure relief are concerned. I like the fact that it's reversible but it sounds like a hassle doing it every 4 months, especially that it can invalidate the warranty if you don't do it.

For polyfoam: I liked both semi-firm and firm options. I have a slight preference for the semi-firm, but the owner says I have to be careful with that one due to my weight. Anything above the low 200s, and i will start to sink in too much. Even though my wife likes firm mattresses, he says the firm polyfoam option could create pressure points and inhibit circulation for her, so the polyfoam option doesn't seem to be ideal unless we go with a split king where we can have 2 different comfort layers.

Obviously, my wife will have to come and try the mattresses at these shops.

From what I see, there doesn't seem to be any durability issues with any of the mattresses. What do you guys think? Are there any glaring issues you see?

I personally prefer Beau-Reve and Excellence to Dauphin, simply because I'm dealing with the owners directly and they seem to be more straightforward and knowledgeable concerning the materials and the different densities.


My favourite mattresses are the Latex ones. I like both the ones from Beau-Reve and Excellence, but they are expensive.
The polyfoam mattress from Excellence seems like it's potentially the best value for the money at that price.


Matelas dauphin has a 100 or 120 night comfort waranty. They charge 75$ to pick up the mattress in that case. On the other hand, I'm not sure how a replacement would work in that case and what price difference I would have to pay.
The hybrid mattresses are 20 year warranty but after the first 10 it's pro-rated.
The Bed in mattress is 15 year warranty but after the first 5 it's pro-rated.

The other 2 small manufacturers provide a warranty against manufacturing defects and premature sagging of 2" or more.

Are these options a good value for the quality? (especially considering I'm in Canada)
Are there any glaring issues with any of the mattresses or manufacturers that you can see from my description?
Any questions I should ask the manufacturers? Any advice or suggestions for me?

Thank you.
02 Apr 2019 14:48
  • ben88
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Hi. I've been reading this forum fir a couple of weeks and I noticed an average price people paid for latex mattress in Montreal area was around $1300 to $1800 for a king size few years back. Did prices went up significantly since then? It seems every place I called is asking for $3000. Is that a going price nowadays? Just asking, not complaining))))
Thank you.
16 Mar 2019 14:24
  • Eagle_traveler
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Hello :)

I am having problems finding the right mattress and I just discovered this website. I am not sure I am posting at the right place..

A couple of years ago a bought a firm coil mattress on Costco’s website. At first it was fine but then it became too firm. I eventually bought a memory foam topper, but it was too hot, so I put a wool blanket and egg shells on top to make it cooler.. it kinda worked and tolerated it for a couple of years but last fall I decided it was enough.

I bought the Endy mattress, it was kinda good, liked the feel of the mattress, no odor, but I felt pressure points under my hips and decided to try another mattress.

I tried the Silk and Snow. I still felt a bit of pressure points but less. I didn’t like the feel of the mattress (gel) and it still smelled strong even after a couple of weeks. I returned it.

Just got a Plush Sealy mattress (Sizemore) from Costco I like the feel of the mattress but it’s way too soft. It doesn’t support me and gives me lowerback aches. I will return it.

I think I might try the Novosbed medium or buy the same Sealy mattress but the firmer version. Just wondering if you have any input? I am a bit tired of this, the amount of info, reviews, websites.. is overwhelming.. it is so hard finding the right mattress.

I have a tendency to feel pressure points under my hips. I am a man, I live in Montreal, my bmi can range from 21 to 25 and I have a neck injury (if that changes anything).

I only tried mattresses in a box and Costco because I can return them without any fees and I actually avoided stores because sometimes you are limited to one exchange, need to pays fees and/or are forced to buy their expensive protectors.

Thanks for any help with this :)
08 Mar 2019 16:07
  • Alex13
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Hey Q8canuck,

I discovered this small mattress manufacturer named Matelas Prestige just next to the plant where I work nearby Montreal, Quebec. It only has one location and I don't know how common this type of place is.

Good luck finding a supplier!

Regards,

Alex
15 Dec 2018 19:06
  • p19
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Hello all,

I've been lurking around for quite some time, reading the information available, feeling a bit overwhelming at times, so many types,numbers, and calculations.
Im 38 years old, 5'11 and 210 lbs. I tend to move quite a bit during sleep, and sleep on the side or on the stomach and rarely on my back.
Finally..last week I made the plunge and purchased a 100% latex mattress online, from one of the forum members, a king Maoli 6" inch firm mattress from Memory Foam Comfort. Its made of a 4" firm core, ILD of 40 and 2" Soft layer ILD of 20. I have a bed with a full wooden base to support the mattress, with leg support underneath every 10-15 inches or so.
Talking to Mario prior the purchase, I tried a similar product from one of the large retailers in Montreal, QC - Matelas la Bonheur. The medium firm felt too plush as I really dont like the sink sensation and prefer something with good support. I thought going with a 6 Inch firm mattress would be the good choice.

Finally got the mattress a few days ago...at first it felt good, but a few hours into the night I woke in pain, very sore, pain sensation..on the ribs, or when sleeping on the side very sore on the shoulder and hip. It felt like I was touching the wood base.

I felt very sad..disappointed, Im on a tight budget and invested all my budget in this 1500$ mattress that I cant even sleep on. Unfortunately, MFC would not accept any returns..and Mario suggest getting a topper for additional support.

Looking at toppers, again there are a lot of choices..and not sure what I should get. I would like to stay with the 100% latex..but not sure if i should go for the 2" soft topper or maybe should take a firm or medium and use to add it under the mattress.

Would appreciate any advice..on what I could/should do next.

thank you in advance!!
23 Jun 2018 11:16
  • John667
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Just trying to get an idea of appr. price, try Montreal e.g. h2x 2t7
15 Jun 2018 13:29
  • phoenix
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Hi John667.

I'm also looking for latex mattress in Canada, but closer to Montreal. I'd like to try Dormio but it's a 7hr drive, so I was wondering if there would be any alternative closer to where I live. Thanks!


I agree that 7 hours’ drive to Dormio maybe a tad too long of a drive unless you have some other business in or around Toronto, but if you decide to shop online they have a wide variety of mattress types for all budget ranges and I think they ship nationwide for a flat fee.

There are quite a few factory direct mattress manufacturers in and around Montreal (within 100Km) and almost all of them produce latex mattresses as well as every other style and combination . In an ever-changing mattress landscape it would be too much of a job to keep current any listings of potential mattress retailer/manufacturers in various geographic regions (unless they are already approved Trusted Members of our site) but there is a list in post #276 here of a few places to try in and around Montreal (I appended the cities for ease of reference). You have some good choices near you but whatever you test make sure to find out the information you need to make an informed mattress purchase which is listed in this article here and compare it to the mattress shopping guidelines here . Also, a forum search on Montreal (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback from other members in the area that may be helpful as well.

Good luck with your testing! I know from my own experience that sometimes the most difficult part is remembering what each mattress felt like and I’d suggest keeping some notes. The good news is that you have lots of options in your area.

If you have any questions about specifications or certain products you discover, feel free to post back on the forum and I or any of the Expert Members of our site will be happy to assist you

Phoenix
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