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21 Jan 2015 10:51
  • chanpou
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To COJ:
I am near the Montreal area and currently shopping for a latex mattress, and was wondering where, exactly, you had ended up buying your mattress (your Nov. 18 post doesn't specify).
Thanks.
16 Jan 2015 22:05
  • phoenix
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Hi chanpou,

We'll be making a trip to the Montreal area in 2 weeks, where we hope to stop by a retailer who has latex mattresses. We'll then have a bit more "real life" information and will likely finalize the purchase of the SleepEZ 130000 (more options for tweaking by changing the upper layers around, if necessary).


You may have seen this already but just in case you haven't ... some of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Montreal area are listed in post #276 here that should give you a number of places where you can test different types of latex mattresses in different firmness levels that will give you a general sense of what latex feels like.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding and of course any comments and feedback that you have the chance to share once you receive it.

Phoenix
16 Jan 2015 19:18
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Thank you for the quick, informative response. We'll be making a trip to the Montreal area in 2 weeks, where we hope to stop by a retailer who has latex mattresses. We'll then have a bit more "real life" information and will likely finalize the purchase of the SleepEZ 130000 (more options for tweaking by changing the upper layers around, if necessary). We'll make sure to have thorough discussions with the people at SleepEz for the best match possible. I'll follow up with a report in a few weeks.
28 Dec 2014 11:09
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Frederixx,

I live in Montreal, Canada.


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Montreal area are listed in post #276 here . You are fortunate because there are many factory direct manufacturers that are relatively close by.

I know the best match PPP would be ideal, but it's kinda hard to test them since most are online only retailers. Of course they will say they are = to Tempurpedic, but how reliable?


There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here that you can use as a frame of reference when you are comparing them. It's relatively simple to compare the quality of the materials inside two mattresses as long as you know what is inside them (see this article ) but of course comparing them in terms of PPP and how they feel is much more subjective and relative to each person's individual perceptions so when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable approach for this is to deal with knowledgeable and experienced retailers or manufacturers that will provide you with good guidance when you talk with them on the phone and to make sure you include the return or exchange policy as part of the "value" of your purchase so you are comfortable with the options you have after a purchase if it doesn't turn out as well or "match" as closely as you hoped for. There is more about the different ways to choose a mattress (local or online) and how to reduce the risk involved in each of them in post #2 here .


I see some of them with 1.5in as the top layer. Is that enough?


This would depend entirely on the rest of the layers and how well the mattress "as a whole" matched your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP. The thickness of the top layers of a mattress has little relevance by itself to whether a mattress will be a good match for any particular person because all the layers will affect the feel and performance of all the other layers in a mattress.

So to resume it, I'm looking for the best deal available in Canada, for a medium-soft mattress.


Firmness and softness is very subjective and there is no specific or common definition for "medium soft" between different manufacturers or different people so this really means that you are looking for a mattress that "feels" medium soft for you when you sleep on it regardless of how firm or soft it may feel to someone else with a different body type, sleeping positions, or individual sensitivity.

There is also no such thing as the "best deal" in general ... only a mattress purchase that is the "best value" for you (regardless of whether it would be the best value for anyone else) based on all the criteria that are most important to you. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here .

The tutorial post also includes a link to post #21 here that includes of the better online retailers or manufacturers that I'm aware of that ship across Canada. Your best options will most likely either be locally in the Montreal list I linked or in the online list.

Phoenix
28 Dec 2014 09:03
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Hi Phoenix,

I live in Montreal, Canada. I know the best match PPP would be ideal, but it's kinda hard to test them since most are online only retailers. Of course they will say they are = to Tempurpedic, but how reliable?

Also, most of the best deals are only available in the US or are much more expensive in Canada.

I see some of them with 1.5in as the top layer. Is that enough?

So to resume it, I'm looking for the best deal available in Canada, for a medium-soft mattress.

Thanks for your answer, i appreciate it.
03 Dec 2014 11:51
  • phoenix
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Hi arndis,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and thanks for the kind comments ... I appreciate them :)

Most of your comments and questions are somewhat generic and would have too many "it depends" in the answers to provide any specific guidance about what to choose but I can certainly provide some general information that may be helpful in terms of "how" to choose.

It'll have to be full size for now, thanks to budget, but we'd like to upgrade to queen later. I have been investigating latex since it is superior for many practical reasons. I do want to get away from "all petrochemicals and fire retardant," but I need affordable quality, rather than a premium eco-certified sleep experience.


There is a lot of misinformation about organic, natural, chemical free, green, and "safe" mattresses and materials throughout the industry but there is more information in post #2 here that can help you sort through and differentiate the more factual information from the marketing information you will encounter about all of these interrelated topics that can help you choose a mattress and materials that meet your criteria in any budget range and that can help answer your questions about "how safe is safe enough for me?".

Options:
- keep mattress, buy topper: the bed is fairly high, and our sheets are not deep enough for 3"+ of topper either.


If your mattress is still in good condition and there are no soft spots or sagging in the sleeping surface and the only issue is that your mattress is too firm then a topper can certainly be a good solution to add some additional softness and pressure relief to your mattress. If your mattress does have soft spots or sagging (visible or virtual) then a topper won't be an effective solution and at best the benefits will be temporary or partial. Since your mattress is 12 - 15 years old and considering the addition height may be an issue you would probably be better off replacing your mattress. There is more information about "fixing" a mattress that has lost its comfort and/or support or that has developed soft spots or sagging over the years in post #4 here . If you do decide that a topper would be a good idea in your circumstances then post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness of a topper that would have the best chance of success with your mattress, your body type, and your sleeping experience.

- buy all-latex mattress: this is what I'm most interested in.


The choice of materials or the type of mattress that you choose would be a personal preference but if you like the feel and performance of an all latex mattress more than other materials or types of mattresses then this can certainly be a very good option although as you know this will put you in a higher budget range than many other types of mattresses because latex is one of the more costly mattress materials.

- buy latex over foam or pocket-coil mattress: given the pricing on thick latex toppers, I'm not sure how much money would be saved versus all-latex.


A latex/polyfoam can certainly be a good option that can provide you with many of the benefits of sleeping on latex but in a lower budget range (the support core of a mattress is generally the thickest layer or component of the mattress and polyfoam is much less costly than latex). There is more about a latex/polyfoam hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here .

An innerspring support core will generally also be less costly than a latex support core (although it may be more than a polyfoam support core) but this would be more of a preference issue along with a budget issue. Some people prefer an innerspring latex hybrid even more than an all latex mattress but your own experience will be the more reliable way for you to know which type of mattress you tend to prefer or that works best for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). There is more about innerspring support cores vs latex support cores in post #28 here .

People profiles:
Arndis:
- likes a soft, cradling bed
- side and back sleeper
- 220 to 240lb range
- curvy woman -- about 4" gap between both waist and hip, or ribs and shoulder
- existing mattress has too little pressure relief: long-term tossing and turning, and lately waking up with numb arms, which improve when I don't lie on them.
- asthma, allergies, and sensitive skin

Tchang:
- likes a firmer bed than I do, but is not fussy
- side and back sleeper
- 140lb
- slender man with broad shoulders -- about 4" gap between ribs and shoulder
- happy with existing mattress, but experience shows he can sleep on practically anything

Any recommendations on build and sourcing? My inclination would be a 3 layer system of soft, medium, firm, or at least the classic 2" soft over 6" medium-firm. I would like to work with someone reputable AND experienced with all-latex mattresses, since I have no experience. I'd prefer to order from Ontario or Quebec, in case of exchanges and returns, but will consider further away.


Only you can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict which mattress will be the best match for you in terms of PPP based on either specs (yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance". The most reliable way to choose a mattress that is a good match for you will be based on your own careful and objective testing ... hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses and there is more about the different ways to choose a mattress and some suggestions that can help minimize the risks involved in each of them in post #2 here .

We plan to visit the showrooms for Sleeptek/Obasan, its neighbours on Colonnade, and Essentia, since they will have floor models to try. After that, I will start inquiring with other local firms. I pulled Hardy Mattress & Feather, Matelas Dauphin, Matelas Lapensee, and MFC out of a previous post about Ottawa. We are closer to Montreal than Toronto, but my French is not good enough to specify a mattress in without help.


You've probably seen the Ottawa list in posts #2 and #3 here because you seem to be aware of most of the options that are closer to Ottawa.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Montreal area are listed in post #276 here .

Just in case you haven't read them yet ... you can read some of my thoughts about Essentia and some of the misleading claims they make and some forum discussions with them in this thread and this thread and posts #3 and #4 here ). Needless to say I would be very cautious here but given your comments about your budget range they will likely be outside your budget anyway.

The mattress shopping tutorial also includes this link to a list of some of the better online options or possibilities I'm aware of that ship across Canada as well if you are open to considering an online purchase.

Phoenix
03 Dec 2014 08:03
  • arndis
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I am looking for advice. It is time for a new mattress, or at least a topper. Our budget is about $1500 inclusive. We're in Ottawa, Canada, and don't have a car, so we want to get the maximum out of our showroom visits too.

Our existing mattress is 12-15 years old, a double-sided pillow-top innerspring. It used to be pretty comfortable, but it's elderly. The foundation is spring slats (IKEA LÖNSET bolted onto a frame of 3/4" plywood joists).

It'll have to be full size for now, thanks to budget, but we'd like to upgrade to queen later. I have been investigating latex since it is superior for many practical reasons. I do want to get away from "all petrochemicals and fire retardant," but I need affordable quality, rather than a premium eco-certified sleep experience.

Options:
- keep mattress, buy topper: the bed is fairly high, and our sheets are not deep enough for 3"+ of topper either.
- buy all-latex mattress: this is what I'm most interested in.
- buy latex over foam or pocket-coil mattress: given the pricing on thick latex toppers, I'm not sure how much money would be saved versus all-latex.

People profiles:
Arndis:
- likes a soft, cradling bed
- side and back sleeper
- 220 to 240lb range
- curvy woman -- about 4" gap between both waist and hip, or ribs and shoulder
- existing mattress has too little pressure relief: long-term tossing and turning, and lately waking up with numb arms, which improve when I don't lie on them.
- asthma, allergies, and sensitive skin

Tchang:
- likes a firmer bed than I do, but is not fussy
- side and back sleeper
- 140lb
- slender man with broad shoulders -- about 4" gap between ribs and shoulder
- happy with existing mattress, but experience shows he can sleep on practically anything

Any recommendations on build and sourcing? My inclination would be a 3 layer system of soft, medium, firm, or at least the classic 2" soft over 6" medium-firm. I would like to work with someone reputable AND experienced with all-latex mattresses, since I have no experience. I'd prefer to order from Ontario or Quebec, in case of exchanges and returns, but will consider further away.

We plan to visit the showrooms for Sleeptek/Obasan, its neighbours on Colonnade, and Essentia, since they will have floor models to try. After that, I will start inquiring with other local firms. I pulled Hardy Mattress & Feather, Matelas Dauphin, Matelas Lapensee, and MFC out of a previous post about Ottawa. We are closer to Montreal than Toronto, but my French is not good enough to specify a mattress in without help.

I want to thank Phoenix and other members for this amazing resource! Without a car, it is hard to shop around for some kinds of goods, so I might not have found out what is really in my price range, from a quality, factory-direct supplier. It boggles the mind.
20 Nov 2014 20:18
  • phoenix
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Hi Curious1,

As for the state of my current mattress, I've inspected it closely and, to my amazement, there's no sign of indentation of wear outside of superficial discolouration from the topper. It appears that the topper really did protect it from wear over all these years!


That's good news :)

Phoenix, thanks so much for all of that. I'm actually based in Canada (Montreal, to be specific), so I can't really buy from the outlets you recommended, unfortunately. Are there any Montreal-based outlets you particularly like?


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Montreal area are listed in post #276 here . You are fortunate to have a large number of factory direct manufacturers in the area which are usually among the best sources of good quality and value mattresses and toppers.

The tutorial post also includes this link to a list of some of the better online sources I'm aware of that ship mattresses and/or toppers across Canada.

Phoenix
20 Nov 2014 20:08
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Thanks, everyone. This forum is just amazing. I can't get over how informed everyone is here. It's almost intimidating, lol.

Phoenix, thanks so much for all of that. I'm actually based in Canada (Montreal, to be specific), so I can't really buy from the outlets you recommended, unfortunately. Are there any Montreal-based outlets you particularly like?

As for the state of my current mattress, I've inspected it closely and, to my amazement, there's no sign of indentation of wear outside of superficial discolouration from the topper. It appears that the topper really did protect it from wear over all these years!

Of course, the moment I'm looking at spending $350+ on a quality queen-sized topper, it's hard not to go down the rabbit hole of simply getting a new mattress altogether (my old one is a pillowtop Posturepedic, nothing special, but paired with the memory foam topper, it's been very comfortable). I'd love to get a full memory foam mattress, but the widely reported issues of heat worry me, as even with just the topper, I do find I can sometimes sleep a little hot. A fully memory foam mattress would likely be unpleasant, even if it had a gel component, from what I understand.
02 Nov 2014 13:30
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Hi COJ,

I live in Montreal and have visited Literie Laurier, Futon d'Or, Dauphin, Matelas Personnel and Literie Provinciale. Problem is that they have 1 or 2 floor models available for testing and they all seem to be in the same ILD firm 36 and Futon d'Or has 35-42 very firm with toppers ranging from 19 (plush) to 28 (medium). To complicate matters, all the different retailers have different opinions on what is suitable for someone in my situation.


You are fortunate to live in Montreal because there are some good options available to you there. You've probably seen this but post #276 here may be helpful.

Most people have a range of mattresses that would be suitable for them in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) although how narrow their range may be will depend on to a large degree whether they are closer to the "princess and the pea" or the "I can sleep on anything" end of the sensitivity scale. It's also the norm that different manufacturers (or people) will have many different opinions about what works best for different people and there is certainly no consensus in the industry (see post #8 here ) because designing mattresses are as much an art as a science but your own careful testing and personal experience will always "trump" any theory. Most manufacturers will tend to attract people that tend to do best with the mattress designs that they offer and those that don't do as well with their specific designs would tend to purchase their mattress elsewhere so the feedback from their customers will tend to "reinforce" what they believe is best because their customers that would choose a different mattress would likely look elsewhere.

1) Should I go for an extra firm 6" 44 ILD core? I'm worried the 6" 36 ILD with a softer topper will be too soft/similar to my current bed. I can make a bed softer but cannot make it firmer. The combination possibilities are driving me batty given the fact that I can't physically try them. 6" 36 ILD + 2" 28 ILD? 6" 44 ILD + 2" 19ILD. Help!!!


I would go with the choice that your testing indicates is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Unfortunately nobody else can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved in choosing a mattress to rely on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" to decide which mattress is the best "match' for you (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ). If you can't test a specific mattress or combination of materials in person then the options you have after a purchase to either make changes to a mattress or exchange the mattress (or individual layers) of return the mattress itself would become a much more important part of the "value" of the purchase and your personal value equation so you can use your actual sleeping experience to decide whether you made a suitable choice. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here .

2) One manufacturer is suggesting a 6" firm core + 2" medium buffer core + 1" softer topper all enclosed/glued together. I read your post about Progressive/Differential construction. Should I instead try the 6" + 2" and if that doesn't work get a 1" seperate/top of mattress topper down the line?


These are all choices that would really be based on your testing or personal experience. There really isn't a way to use theory to predict which combination of materials you will do best with but if you are uncertain about which direction to go then it's always easier to soften up a mattress that is too firm with a topper than to firm up a mattress that is too soft which would generally involve removing and replacing layers.

3) Seeing as they can custom build a bed should I get a reversible combination? Wouldn't the bottom layers get compressed/damaged by the firm middle core? Is this even worth-while in a latex bed? Only 1 manufacturer recommended this.


While latex is the most durable of all the foam materials ... a two sided mattress will be more durable than a one sided version of the same mattress ... even with latex. There is more about the pros and cons of a two sided mattress in post #3 here and the posts it links to. I would also keep in mind that after about 10 years or so of sleeping on a mattress that your own needs and preferences may change so a mattress that has many more years of life left in it may not be as suitable for you to sleep on and may need to be replaced or changed even if it is still in great condition.

4) Some glue the latex together saying otherwise it would shift and may degrade the latex while others don't ?
5) Some have zippered covers while others have conventional enclosed ?


I would agree with brass and you can see my comments about glued vs unglued layers and component mattresses vs "finished" mattresses with zip covers in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

6)Aside from Dauphin who uses zoned Dunlop, they all have Latex Intl. as a supplier, all Talalay. Its unclear what percentage of natural latex though aside from Futon d'Or who say theirs is 92% pure (also Latex Intl.) Is this all the same/should I be concerned about this?


Latex International makes two types of latex. One is blended Talalay which outside of any filler or other substances that are needed to foam and manufacture the latex uses about 30% natural rubber and 70% synthetic rubber. The other is 100% natural which only uses natural rubber. 100% natural doesn't mean that there is only natural rubber in a material because there are other chemicals that are needed to make the latex (see post #18 here ) ... it only means that all the latex in the core is natural rubber and that it doesn't have any synthetic rubber in the formula. There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses that use different types and blends of latex but in the end the type of latex would be a preference and budget choice (latex cores that use a higher percentage of synthetic rubber are generally less costly than cores that use a higher percentage of natural rubber). There is also more about Dunlop vs Talalay latex in post #7 here but your own testing and experience will be the most reliable way to decide which one you prefer. With latex layers I would want to know the type of latex (Dunlop or Talalay) and the blend of natural vs synthetic rubber rather than the specific formula or chemicals they use to manufacturer it which is proprietary and won't be available to you.

Phoenix
02 Nov 2014 07:59
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I have read extensively and learned so much on this invaluable site, thank you! Am in the final stages of shopping for a latex mattress and have several questions. Here's my situation:

I'm 41, have bulging discs at L4/L5 (MRI's) and pain in buttocks/leg. I'm 5'7", around 145 pounds and sleep primarily on my side with a king pillow between my legs for alligment. We have a 4 year old polyfoam core mattress that is medium-firm. It was ok for a few years and then I started waking up around 3-4AM with unilateral back pain (ribs to upper butt) that would dissapear as soon as I got up from the bed. I've been taking Advil almost every night since (yikes). I now believe my sciatic issues are coming from the bleepin' bed - it can't be helping in any event. My husband sleeps fine though...

Whenever I've slept well while staying away from home I've noticed the combination of standard tight-top coil mattress with some sort of removable topper. I've concluded that the combination of firm core + soft(er) topper works fo me. When I started mattress shopping I planned on getting a pocket coil and have since abandoned that in favor of a 100% latex for durability & health (material safety/off-gasing). I somehow thought this was going to be simple :huh:

I live in Montreal and have visited Literie Laurier, Futon d'Or, Dauphin, Matelas Personnel and Literie Provinciale. Problem is that they have 1 or 2 floor models available for testing and they all seem to be in the same ILD firm 36 and Futon d'Or has 35-42 very firm with toppers ranging from 19 (plush) to 28 (medium). To complicate matters, all the different retailers have different opinions on what is suitable for someone in my situation.

The most common combination seems to be 6" core + 2" topper/comfort layer. This is customizable, which is freaking me out :ohmy:

1) Should I go for an extra firm 6" 44 ILD core? I'm worried the 6" 36 ILD with a softer topper will be too soft/similar to my current bed. I can make a bed softer but cannot make it firmer. The combination possibilities are driving me batty given the fact that I can't physically try them. 6" 36 ILD + 2" 28 ILD? 6" 44 ILD + 2" 19ILD. Help!!!

2) One manufacturer is suggesting a 6" firm core + 2" medium buffer core + 1" softer topper all enclosed/glued together. I read your post about Progressive/Differential construction. Should I instead try the 6" + 2" and if that doesn't work get a 1" seperate/top of mattress topper down the line?
3) Seeing as they can custom build a bed should I get a reversible combination? Wouldn't the bottom layers get compressed/damaged by the firm middle core? Is this even worth-while in a latex bed? Only 1 manufacturer recommended this.
4) Some glue the latex together saying otherwise it would shift and may degrade the latex while others don't ?
5) Some have zippered covers while others have conventional enclosed ?
6)Aside from Dauphin who uses zoned Dunlop, they all have Latex Intl. as a supplier, all Talalay. Its unclear what percentage of natural latex though aside from Futon d'Or who say theirs is 92% pure (also Latex Intl.) Is this all the same/should I be concerned about this?

I feel bad about this rambling mess - I feel like my head is stuffed with latex :P - Input is needed!
29 Oct 2014 19:33
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Hi Hamadyr,

The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Montreal area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #276 here . You have many factory direct manufacturers and some good options available to you in the area.

Phoenix
29 Oct 2014 19:03
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We are in the Montreal, Quebec area.
27 Aug 2014 20:09
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Hi Flow,

Hi to all and Pheonix! I don't know how you get to be answering all the posts here, you must be a robot! :lol:


Sometimes I feel like one ... but it also helps that I have a list of reference posts that I use to answer many questions that have been asked before which also allows me to reply to many more questions than would otherwise be possible ... but answering forum posts is still the time equivalent of much more than a full time job on most days. It's also something that I enjoy which helps a lot as well :)

I am now looking for a twin size for my almost 4yr old dude.


You may have seen this already but post #2 here includes links to most of the better forum posts and topics about mattresses and children and includes links to many good options as well.

Post #21 here also includes a list of the better online options I'm aware of that ship across Canada that would also be worth considering.

I am in Montreal.


There are also many good options or possibilities in the Montreal area that are listed in post #276 here .

Ok, so I went to see a small shop yesterday that had a latex twin for 380$! Obviously it was a fake, inside the color of the foam was alot more yellowish kinda like memoryfoam but had holes in it! I couldn't believe it. Have you heard of anything like that? I guess some manufacturers now will just try to sell foam and say it's latex and have holes in em.... i left that place in a hurry...


Yes ... different types of foam including polyfoam and memory foam can both be "punched" with holes to aid in ventilation. I have also encountered many stores or salespeople that have no idea about the differences between different types of foam and use memory foam and latex interchangeably. Of course memory foam has a much slower response than latex and is also temperature sensitive as well (to differing degrees) so telling the difference between slow and fast response materials isn't that difficult and once you've seen or felt latex it's difficult to mistake it for something else ... even though there are many different types of latex.

Today I had one liquidation place calling me back saying the received a twin latex mattress and that I could come and take a look at it. Fine! When I get there the mattress has no zipper, so the cover was all stitched like regular mattress and with labels all over written TempurPedic! (Only when I came back home I realized that Tempur only makes Foam mattresses, correct me...)


Yes ... Tempurpedic makes a wide range of memory foam mattresses of different types (which would all include different types and layers of memory foam in the upper layers and polyfoam in the deeper layers) but they don't make any latex mattresses.

So it looks fine, for what I can actually see. I was begging the guy for more info but he assured me he didnt have any and that the mattress core was made by some Ultra manufacturer here in Quebec. I only found Les Fab Ultra Canada Ltd, a company of Vitafoam.ca. But I wonder why they would have used a TempurPedic cover... I kept bugging the guy, he wants to sell it 500$, by the way this place is matelas.xt1.ca/ or also known as club matelas. They sell returns or defects I guess. I don't really mind if the mattress is super clean.


I would be very cautious with used mattresses or with mattresses that have been returned because of defects (whether they call them "scratch and dent", overstock, or any other name) because you would have no warranty and you would have little recourse if you have any issues with the mattress. It's not uncommon at all that you would be buying someone else's problems. There is more about buying a used mattress in post #2 here and more about "liquidation outlets" in post #8 here . Regardless of where I was buying a mattress I would also make sure you know the type and quality of all the layers so that you know that there are no "weak links" or materials you aren't comfortable with in the mattress and so you can make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. Sometimes "cheap" can be the most costly choice of all if you don't know what you are really buying.

It was a pretty beige-creamy typical latex color. But, I noticed that the bottom part had no holes. The salesman said it's because it was designed for an electric bed. Also it appeared that the cover was lightly glued to the mattress and I could detach a small portion to notice something blue covering the latex, like some glue maybe, does that make sense?


The pincores in a latex mold don't go all the way through the latex so if a full latex core is cut in the middle then the holes may not go all the way through. There are also some continuous pour versions of latex that don't have holes at all or where the holes are "punched" after it's poured as an option. I don't know what the blue material may be (a picture may help) but it could be some type of gel material.

Anyways, I know this is edgy but it does look alright. My next step is to try to find the manufacturer. Does a company in Quebec with Ultra in it's name tell you anything?


Not off the top of my head no

I looked at FBM but was pretty much discouraged reading up on them.


I personally wouldn't deal with FBM either. You can read about the reasons why in this post and this post and this topic (about their polyfoam and sources) and this post (presumably from a past employee).

What are you thoughts? Beside that I'm cheap! :lol:


Hopefully some of the comments in this reply will be helpful :)

Phoenix
27 Aug 2014 18:25
  • Flow
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Hi to all and Pheonix! I don't know how you get to be answering all the posts here, you must be a robot! :lol:

So, I had a mattress quest in the past year and read a whole lot of info on these forums.
I ended up buying my main king mattress at SleepEZ and I really enjoy it so far, it has been about 3 months.

I am now looking for a twin size for my almost 4yr old dude.
I am in Montreal.

The thing is here, prices are quite high... hard to find something under 900$ for a 100% Latex.

I first thought I'd go with SleepEZ again... but you know, I wanted to give local a chance and since I'm on vacation this week I took some time to shop around. You gotta know that I'm a big sucker when it comes to getting the best price without neglecting quality. I do believe that you get what you pay for but personal experience has shown me that price just CAN be low AND pay less than msrp!

Ok, so I went to see a small shop yesterday that had a latex twin for 380$! Obviously it was a fake, inside the color of the foam was alot more yellowish kinda like memoryfoam but had holes in it! I couldn't believe it. Have you heard of anything like that? I guess some manufacturers now will just try to sell foam and say it's latex and have holes in em.... i left that place in a hurry...

Today I had one liquidation place calling me back saying the received a twin latex mattress and that I could come and take a look at it. Fine! When I get there the mattress has no zipper, so the cover was all stitched like regular mattress and with labels all over written TempurPedic! (Only when I came back home I realized that Tempur only makes Foam mattresses, correct me...)

So it looks fine, for what I can actually see. I was begging the guy for more info but he assured me he didnt have any and that the mattress core was made by some Ultra manufacturer here in Quebec. I only found Les Fab Ultra Canada Ltd, a company of Vitafoam.ca. But I wonder why they would have used a TempurPedic cover... I kept bugging the guy, he wants to sell it 500$, by the way this place is matelas.xt1.ca/ or also known as club matelas. They sell returns or defects I guess. I don't really mind if the mattress is super clean.

Back to the story the mattress is looking great but shows like if slats had been underneath it. Could have been a demo... Also the holes were bigger than what I'm used to see. Anyways the guy saw I was hesitant and offered to cut a part of the thread and open it a bit so i can see the inside!! :ohmy: I thought that was fun! Let's take a look inside!

It was a pretty beige-creamy typical latex color. But, I noticed that the bottom part had no holes. The salesman said it's because it was designed for an electric bed. Also it appeared that the cover was lightly glued to the mattress and I could detach a small portion to notice something blue covering the latex, like some glue maybe, does that make sense?

Anyways, I know this is edgy but it does look alright. My next step is to try to find the manufacturer. Does a company in Quebec with Ultra in it's name tell you anything?

What about the blue stuff or glue, I expect it to be normal but maybe someone can confirm.

I looked at FBM but was pretty much discouraged reading up on them.
I saw good deals also in the US with sleeponlatex for 300$ Dunlop core, I would still need a cover.
Foamorder has a clearance block for Twin Firm for 378$, still need a cover, they sell some.
Matress247 on ebay has one for 395 with cover but no medium/firm available... than maybe a for small kidd medium/soft would be fine...

If I could just find a plain core somewhere local and a twin cover i'd be set. I just don't want to pay over 500$ on this.

What are you thoughts? Beside that I'm cheap! :lol:
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