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22 Feb 2015 07:59
  • phoenix
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Hi Chanpou,

Thanks for the update ... I appreciate it.

When we removed the plastic packaging, it quickly took its shape back, except for 2 spots where there was tighter taping to hold the plastic wrap - these spots are still indented, 3 days later, but not as pronounced as when the wrap was initially removed. We had no such markings with out daughter's mattress. Phoenix - is this indentation / marking to be expected, and up to how long does it take for latex to resume its full shape ?


No this isn't normal. You could try lifting up the bottom edge and pulling it out to see if it's the result of how it's sitting on the foundation but if it's not I would talk to them about it because after 3 days your mattress should be fully expanded.

Phoenix
22 Feb 2015 06:22
  • chanpou
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We picked up our mattress from Literie Provinciale on Thursday, so have now been sleeping on it for 3 nights. My husband, so far, prefers the feel of our previous innerspring with a pillowtop (albeit sagging pillowtop!). I find the latex mattress feels a bit firmer than when we tried it out in the store, but that may be due to it now having a mattress protector (made from Tencel, unquilted, that we bought there also) plus sheets (cotton jersey knit "t-shirt" type of sheets, which are stretchy though. But I do like the support I feel with this new mattress. Since we had been sleeping on our previous mattress for close to 15 years, I'm sure it will take a few weeks to adjust to this new mattress and feel all of its benefits. I'll post an update in a few weeks. As for my daughter, who got the same mattress in a Queen size, she loves it. (She's 13 and upgraded from a firmer single kid's bed, so she's in heaven!).

To answer a previous question, yes the mattress comes with a warranty - albeit a general one against manufacturing defects, with no specifics about depth of compression.

What I preferred about Literie Provinciale over Futon d'Or, other than pricing, is that there are more options for firmness / softness configurations and thickness of the mattress. What I didn't like about Matelas Personnel (I called them up in my mattress search), was the foam in the middle of latex layers - I wanted all latex. But, indeed, Claude was very nice over the phone.

So far we've been very happy with the service from Literie Provinciale - they've been very accomodating with our different requests. Actually, I may have to follow up with them about our King mattress. When we picked it up, it was rolled up and packed tightly to ease transportation. When we removed the plastic packaging, it quickly took its shape back, except for 2 spots where there was tighter taping to hold the plastic wrap - these spots are still indented, 3 days later, but not as pronounced as when the wrap was initially removed. We had no such markings with out daughter's mattress. Phoenix - is this indentation / marking to be expected, and up to how long does it take for latex to resume its full shape ?


21 Feb 2015 16:52
  • jay81k
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I just bought one at matelas Personnel. Claude the owner was so nice and so helpful, very knowledgeable as well. They had 4 models to choose from for Latex, Extra Firm, Firm, Medium Firm, and Soft. I went with the firm which was 3" of 40 ILD talalaly, 3" high density foam in the middle and 3" of the same latex on the bottom (which makes it flip able). He also mentioned the density of the latex being 5lbs. I do believe all the latex he uses is the same and just adjusts the firmess with foam in the middle. I wish I had a chance to check out literie Provinciale just to compare but so far after 2 nights of sleep on it Im pretty happy with it. Haven't woken up in pain like I have been with my old mattress.
21 Feb 2015 15:03
  • phoenix
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Hi ohnoadrummer,

One problem I've come across is futon d'or doesn't offer any warranty and the salesperson told me natural latex doesn't compress over time. This seems false. I am very wary about buying a mattress without a guarantee. For now, I'm excited to visit provinciale because they have better prices and hopefully a better warranty.

Does it seem like a good idea to avoid buying a mattress without warranty against sagging/compression?


Latex is the most durable of all the foam materials and while all foam will soften and compress to some degree over time ... latex will soften and compress less and over a longer period of time than other types of foam. While I can understand not having a warranty that included compression on a natural fiber material where compression is normal and expected ... it would be very unusual for a latex mattress not to have a warranty against unusual sagging or compression more than a specific minimum amount (typically 1.5" but often less with more premium materials like latex).

Having said that ... the purpose of a warranty is to protect against defects in a mattress (not against "normal" softening or compression and the gradual loss of comfort and support over time) but if for some reason you purchased a mattress with a defective layer and there was deeper sagging that was a clear indication of a defective layer then if there was no warranty you would have no recourse. Defects with latex will typically show up early in the life of a mattress (usually in the first year).

It would certainly be more risky to buy a mattress with no warranty at all against unusual compression or sagging so you would need to decide whether there were enough other reasons or benefits to buying a mattress with no warranty that would offset the additional risk involved and that would make the additional risk "worth it" to you.

Phoenix
21 Feb 2015 10:53
  • ohnoadrummer
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Hi from Berri UQAM area!

I'm very interested to know how your mattress is going as I'm considering taking the hour and a half bus ride to literie provinciale to learn about their mattresses. I might buy the same one you got!

I feel lucky to live in Montréal, but I feel much more lucky to have found this site because I wouldn't have had the slightest idea I'd how to do this all by myself. Thanks Phoenix and everyone else!

One problem I've come across is futon d'or doesn't offer any warranty and the salesperson told me natural latex doesn't compress over time. This seems false. I am very wary about buying a mattress without a guarantee. For now, I'm excited to visit provinciale because they have better prices and hopefully a better warranty.

Does it seem like a good idea to avoid buying a mattress without warranty against sagging/compression?

Many thanks
13 Feb 2015 04:39
  • Nancie
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Hi Jay81k and Phoenix
In fact, we returned our mattress to Laurier. Too mnay problems. We eneded up doing business with matelas Selection in Montreal and they were FANTASTIC. We have bought two from them. A pleasure to deal with. Hope that helps. NJ
10 Feb 2015 14:50
  • phoenix
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Hi chanpou,


I replied to your other post here but thanks once again for your comments and feedback.

I've also linked this post to the Literie Provincial listing in the Montreal list.

Phoenix
10 Feb 2015 14:33
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Hi chanpou,

Thanks for taking the time to let us know what you ended up deciding ... I appreciate it!

It sounds like you made a great quality/value choice ... and congratulations on your (or actually your daughter's) new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to any additional comments or feedback you have the chance to share once she gets a chance to sleep on it for a bit.

I'll post our own purchase report under a "montreal mattress search" topic, so as to assist others with similar inquiries. Phoenix, feel free to move my post to a better topic if needed.


I see you've already posted your comments in a new topic and I've added a link to your other post beside the Literie Provincial listing in the Montreal list as well so that others can find it more easily.

Phoenix
10 Feb 2015 12:39
  • chanpou
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Here's my own experience with latex mattress shopping in the Montreal area. We were shopping for a King size. Both side sleepers, occasionally back sleeper as well (more so my husband than I). He: 6'3, 220 lbs, me: 5'3, 159 lbs.

Futon d'Or: 100% natural latex, good prices, but ILD configurations on the firm side.
Matelas Siesta: 100% Dunlop, but mattresses limited to a 6" core, and on the firm side.
Green Sleep: felt okay, but too pricey. 100% Dunlop.
Matelas Dauphin: Talalay (not sure if 100% natural or blend); 8" (6" plus 2"), comfortable, but was able to find bette price at Literie Provinciale.

Eventually purchased a 9" 100% Talalay at Literie Provinciale. 6" core of about 36 ILD with a 3" comfort level of about 21 ILD. Mattress cover is a Tencel knit, which we preferred over the cotton cover which is also available. Price for mattress is $1675, taxes included. We we so impressed with the service, quality and pricing of this shop/manufacturer, that we decided to make our purchase locally (we had been considering buying from Sleep Ez and having the mattress shipped to our vacation condo in Vermont to save on shipping).

We will be picking up the mattress Friday. I'll post an update once we've been sleeping on it for a while.
10 Feb 2015 12:23
  • chanpou
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Here's an update.

I had several conversations with the VP of Literie Provinciale (a family-owned business in operation many many years), and was reassured about the quality of their materials. (Thanks Phoenix for making me knowledgeable about the right questions to ask, as a result of the wealth of information on this site,). They simply have better prices because they are a no friils type of business and have a high volume purchasing power with long-established suppliers. To make a long story short, we did buy our King mattress there and will be picking it up this Friday. I'll post more information under a "Montreal mattress search" topic to assist others with similar inquiries.
10 Feb 2015 12:16
  • chanpou
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I'm posting an update, as we have bought my daughter's mattress.

We finally bought it from Literie Provinciale in Montreal. They have great pricing on quality products. We purchased a 100% natural Talalay, 6" core of about 36 ILD and 3" comfort layer of about 21 ILD. Tha mattress cover is Tencel (cotton is also available, but my daughter preferred the softness and stretch of the Tencel knit fabric). For a queen size, the total price was $1375 taxes included (Cdn currency!). Elsewhere, I was only getting a Talalay blend for the same price. We've experienced great service from there. I will report an update once my daughter has been sleeping on it for a while.

We were so impressed with Literie Provinciale's service, quality and pricing, that my husband and I decided to buy locally from them our King mattress, rather than from Sleep Ez (we were going to have Sleep Ez ship our mattress to Vermont, where we'll be staying for a 1 week ski vacation in March, so as to save on shipping). I'll post our own purchase report under a "montreal mattress search" topic, so as to assist others with similar inquiries. Phoenix, feel free to move my post to a better topic if needed.
24 Jan 2015 12:22
  • phoenix
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Hi Flana,

What I should have mentioned (and I apologize bad mattress = bad sleep= fatigue) is that
the poly foam which seems to come from the same place from most of these distributors i.e Belgium's
Eupen is what I find confusing. Open cells - less odor- breathable in that water doesn't
sit on the mattress but sinks in like any other breathable material.


Almost all the "foam" you will find in any mattress is open cell polyurethane and closed cell foam isn't typically used in mattresses. It's really just a matter of degree and "how open" they are.

None of the places seem to be greenwashing, moreover
they are trying to assure the customers that it is a less smelly, VOC emanating foam.


The only way to validate this would be based on the actual certifications they have or on testing results.

My main concern right now is putting a child on foam. As I mentioned the current most probable consideration,
given how expensive latex is, is that we would put a base of 4 or 6 inches of 2 lbs + viscose foam
From foam supplier Eupen where they get their foam from) and then 2 inches of latex. Natural and
mixed latex have been offered to me at several of these different suppliers. Only Talalay was suggested.


These are all personal choices that each person needs to make about the types of materials they are comfortable using in their mattress. I would keep in mind that "viscose" foam is memory foam.

My main confusion about the latex is that some of them are saying pure latex doesn't exist, others
are saying it's not worth it and then another has said it is possible. Many of the salespeople
or owners have said why not just put a child on foam rather than kick in the latex...


This would depend on what they mean by "pure latex". If they are talking about mattresses that only use latex and no other types of foam in the mattress then they certainly do exist. If they are talking about latex that is only made from rubber (either natural or synthetic) and don't use any other substances to manufacture the latex then they are correct and there will always be a small amount of other substances used to foam and manufacture the latex (see post #8 here ). The reason that people would use latex vs polyfoam is because they prefer it but if you are comfortable with polyfoam then in higher densities it can certainly be a high quality and durable material. There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

So who is right?


There is no right or wrong here and you won't find any consensus on these types of choices ... only different preferences and different opinions. What's important is to decide which type of material you prefer regardless of what anyone else (including a mattress manufacturer) may prefer. Their preferences or opinions may be very different from your own or from other manufacturers (see post #8 here ).

I was wondering if you had any opinions on the distributors themselves so I could get a grasp on
who to deal with insofar as transparency. We've already been duped buying an Essentia
(now caved in) crib mattress...


I would assess the quality/durability of a mattress based on the type and density of the foams inside it regardless of the manufacturer that makes the mattress or the foam (see this article ).

Phoenix
24 Jan 2015 11:52
  • Flana
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Thank you for your reply.
We have done extensive research on your site and all over for that matter. Tried every type of
mattress.. For ourselves we prefer foam foam (not latex or memory) even if memory has
great pressure point pluses, I have yet to find one whose odor I can tolerate.

What I should have mentioned (and I apologize bad mattress = bad sleep= fatigue) is that
the poly foam which seems to come from the same place from most of these distributors i.e Belgium's
Eupen is what I find confusing. Open cells - less odor- breathable in that water doesn't
sit on the mattress but sinks in like any other breathable material.

None of the places seem to be greenwashing, moreover
they are trying to assure the customers that it is a less smelly, VOC emanating foam.

My main concern right now is putting a child on foam. As I mentioned the current most probable consideration,
given how expensive latex is, is that we would put a base of 4 or 6 inches of 2 lbs + viscose foam
From foam supplier Eupen where they get their foam from) and then 2 inches of latex. Natural and
mixed latex have been offered to me at several of these different suppliers. Only Talalay was suggested.

My main confusion about the latex is that some of them are saying pure latex doesn't exist, others
are saying it's not worth it and then another has said it is possible. Many of the salespeople
or owners have said why not just put a child on foam rather than kick in the latex...

So who is right?

I was wondering if you had any opinions on the distributors themselves so I could get a grasp on
who to deal with insofar as transparency. We've already been duped buying an Essentia
(now caved in) crib mattress...

Best regards,
23 Jan 2015 21:18
  • phoenix
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Hi Flana,

We are in Montreal looking for the "healthiest" mattress we could find for ourselves and our child. VOCs wise and healthy back. And of course durability...
We have visited Matelas Selections- great service...and I've also called several others on your list. Who knew we had so many...

Right now, despite having leaned toward a natural Latex mattress, we are leaning toward an open cell foam with latex layer on top covered in wool bamboo. I prefer the idea or inhaling latex to foam but at heart I love foam best (was leaning toward Magniflex before I found these guys) and am not a fan of coils. I've never slept on them happily:)

What does the open cell foam really mean ? It had no odour when I smelled it.


Post #2 here and the posts it links to has more information about safe, natural, organic, "chemical free", and green mattresses and mattress materials that can help you sort through some of the marketing information and terminology that you will encounter in the industry and can help you differentiate between them and decide on the types of materials you are most comfortable having in your mattress and help you answer "how safe is safe enough for me". These types of issues are complex and are generally specific to each person and their individual sensitivities, circumstances, criteria, and lifestyle choices.

There are three types of foam (either polyfoam, memory foam, and latex foam) so I don't know which type of foam they are referring to but "open cell" foam means that the foam will typically have a higher airflow which improves its ability to regulate temperature although it's usually used more in a marketing sense than a technical sense because they will rarely provide any specific information that compares the airflow of the foam they are referring to with other types or brands of similar foam.

Now I am confused! They seem very similar! We have been mattress hunting over a year!


It sounds like you are at step 3 of the mattress shopping tutorial which means that the next step will be deciding on the type of mattresses and materials you are most interested in testing and then visiting the ones that carry mattresses that meet your criteria and that you are most interested in testing.

There is more about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) in post #2 here that can help you identify and minimize the risks involved in each of them and there is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

Post #13 here also has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

and our child


Post #2 here includes links to most of the better forum posts and topics about mattresses and children and includes some guidelines and suggestions that should be helpful.

Phoenix
23 Jan 2015 20:37
  • Flana
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We are in Montreal looking for the "healthiest" mattress we could find for ourselves and our child. VOCs wise and healthy back. And of course durability...
We have visited Matelas Selections- great service...and I've also called several others on your list. Who knew we had so many...

Right now, despite having leaned toward a natural Latex mattress, we are leaning toward an open cell foam with latex layer on top covered in wool bamboo. I prefer the idea or inhaling latex to foam but at heart I love foam best (was leaning toward Magniflex before I found these guys) and am not a fan of coils. I've never slept on them happily:)

What does the open cell foam really mean ? It had no odour when I smelled it.

I'm half stomach have side sleeper so I know the drill...pelvis must be supported while pressure points need to be alleviated.
Back problems are sadly not new to me:)

I've called Literie Laurier, Matelas Personnel and Literie Provinciale. I simply cannot visit them all so calls were made instead.
selections seemed very good I just needed to check for other places and prices.

Now I am confused! They seem very similar! We have been mattress hunting over a year!

Help!;)
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