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20 Mar 2021 10:13
  • whitk227
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Flexus Comfort said as of 4/2020 they are sourcing from Radium ( see here )

Just a word of caution, it seems like Covid has really wreaked havoc on the supply chain so if someone really wants a particular brand of talalay you really need to call and ask the manufacturer what they are currently using and what they have available.


Thank you Mattrebuild. Case and point, I opened my friends Avocado topper to find that it had a Talalay insert, when Avocado advertises GOLS Dunlop. Apparently, they are having supply chain issues, as well. I also understand that they are using synthetic fire barriers, batting, and adhesives... so much for their transparency. This can be an issue for some that have reactions to certain materials and really makes me wary of buying a closed mattress.


I just received my Avocado Green Hybrid mattress and separate topper in February 2021. This is really disturbing to read, especially since this was an expensive purchase made specifically because I wanted a non-toxic product. How would I know if I received a mattress with synthetic components? Or if my topper isn't GOLS Dunlop?

01 Mar 2021 16:41
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Flexus Comfort said as of 4/2020 they are sourcing from Radium ( see here )

Just a word of caution, it seems like Covid has really wreaked havoc on the supply chain so if someone really wants a particular brand of talalay you really need to call and ask the manufacturer what they are currently using and what they have available.


Thank you Mattrebuild. Case and point, I opened my friends Avocado topper to find that it had a Talalay insert, when Avocado advertises GOLS Dunlop. Apparently, they are having supply chain issues, as well. I also understand that they are using synthetic fire barriers, batting, and adhesives... so much for their transparency. This can be an issue for some that have reactions to certain materials and really makes me wary of buying a closed mattress.

28 Feb 2021 19:10
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Flexus Comfort said as of 4/2020 they are sourcing from Radium ( see here )

From a few posts on this forum, it appears that Sleep EZ, Flobeds, and Arizona Premium Mattress have sourced Talalay from both Radium and Talalay Global in the past, so they might be good candidates.

Savvy Rest says that they use Radium's Vita Talalay in their mattresses ( see here )

It looks like a lot of mattress retailers aren't exclusive to Vita Talalay or Talalay Global and switch back and forth based on various factors.


Just a word of caution, it seems like Covid has really wreaked havoc on the supply chain so if someone really wants a particular brand of talalay you really need to call and ask the manufacturer what they are currently using and what they have available. I called Flobeds yesterday about some deisgn questions (they are super helpful BTW) and we got to discussing the latex quality and characteristics. When I asked which talalay they used they said they are exclusively using Talalay Global right now because Radium was having issues servicing everyone's orders and they aren't accepting new customers right now either. Even with Talalay Global they said it's very hard to get the higher ILD (40+) layers because manufacturers are working through their backlog due to Covid shutdowns. I was told those layers won't be shipping until August of this year so it's something to be aware of anyway. It's not something to panic over but it certainly appears these disruptions will take some time to work through the system until all the products are fully restocked again.
28 Feb 2021 13:59
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Flexus Comfort said as of 4/2020 they are sourcing from Radium ( see here )

From a few posts on this forum, it appears that Sleep EZ, Flobeds, and Arizona Premium Mattress have sourced Talalay from both Radium and Talalay Global in the past, so they might be good candidates.

Savvy Rest says that they use Radium's Vita Talalay in their mattresses ( see here )

It looks like a lot of mattress retailers aren't exclusive to Vita Talalay or Talalay Global and switch back and forth based on various factors.
22 Feb 2021 17:26
  • djdanko1
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Hey djdanko1,

Welcome back to the TMU forum and thanks for your question :) !

A few years ago I bought a Charles Rodgers mattress that is just too hard for my wife and I. We have tried toppers from kolhs and are still pretty stiff in the morning. Did some research on here, but still unsure.


We talked awhile last September about your Charles P. Rodgers St. Regis/ queen mattress's firmness, and how you had tried some toppers from Kolh's to soften its feel up a bit. I'm sorry to hear that you both are still experiencing morning stiffness and have yet to resolve that issue. We discussed a variety of topper options and materials previously in post #6 , but perhaps we can look at your question from a different angle this go-round.

From the Charles P Rogers site, the St. Regis is described as having either a double thick Natural Latex comfort layer or a premium memory foam comfort layer; which comfort layer does your mattress use? The mattress description states that on a firmness scale, the natural latex is rated closer to the firmest comfort feel, while the memory foam is rated more of a medium firmness feel. With your side sleeping preference and her combination sleeping styles, it sounds as though neither of you are getting the right amount of "sinking into" the mattress and a topper could help ease that situation.

Would something like LaNoodle Cuddle Top or a thicker Latex mattress be better for this needs? Any recommendations?


Mattress toppers are a comfort choice , so your preferences for components, fabrications, thickness, etc. all play into your selection. We didn't discuss your previous mattress before, but it would be helpful to know the type and brand of mattress you had before, as well as some of the qualities that you enjoyed about its feel and support. Do you like the feel of "sleeping on" a mattress or a mattress that has more of a "sleeping in" feel? Can you describe more on the constructions and types of Kohl's toppers that you've tried with no success? A LaNoodle Cuddle Top Latex Topper could be a good choice; you may find this thread regarding consumers' thoughts on the subject interesting. But again, it's important to better understand a bit more regarding your comfort preferences as a guide for your final decision. Hope these thought starters help a little and looking forward to hearing more as your research progresses.

Thanks ;) ,
Sensei


Went through almost every trusted vendor and am still unsure what route to go. Something like a talay Latex 2-3in topper or one with shredded Latex. Any recommendations on either?
20 Feb 2021 15:14
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Your thought process has been stellar so far, lantern. Experimenting with the layers could change the comfort feel somewhat, so be sure and give each configuration some time for your body to adjust. Since your initial post regarded a question on one of the latex layers, we didn't discuss some of the pre-purchase basics of what is your current mattress, what size/ how old is it, what foundation are you using, and whether you plan to update your pillow scheme. Your body will need a 30 or so day sleep adjustment period to get used to the comfort and support of your new mattress, so some degree of lower back pain is not a surprise and should subside. [quote/]

my old mattress was a queen, double sided, innerspring with pillow top. The mattress was 10+ years old and the foundation was a box spring with metal frame. This served me well for many years but it was well past it's useful life and the pillowtop began to sag in the middle. This resulted in lower back pain in the morning and stiffness in the neck.

Good job on your forum research, lantern :) ! There are definitely a vast number of posts to sift through, but with a little time and patience, you'll find a treasure trove of similar experiments with great details on the efforts and outcomes of other consumers. Are you lying flat on your back as in this illustration or using pillows? If you are using pillows, what loft are they? Back sleepers need lower profile pillows for optimal neck, shoulder spinal alignment, My general thoughts are that if you document your layering experiments carefully, giving each arrangement sufficient time to track improvements or setbacks, and use this forum to seek advice either from Flexus Comfort or other trusted members, you should find the solution you seek.

I tried both with and without a low profile pillow on the new latex mattress. The result was the same. As Mattrebuild pointed out in the previous comment, bending my knees flattens the lower back, allowing for greater support and relaxation of the muscles. The sensation matches what you would experience if you were laying on a bare floor. While I originally thought my hips might not be sinking in enough, as Mattrebuild correctly pointed out, it appears I am actually not sinking in enough and need to soften the top layer(s).

For comparison I also tried swapped the top and middle layers of my latex setup (top to bottom med-firm dunlop, med talalay, and firm dunlop.) The result was increased lower back pain in the morning which I would attribute to sinking in even less on the med-firm dunlop layer. Again this leads me to believe I need to soften up my mattress.

When I head back to the Flexus showroom I intend to try 2 setups;
soft talaly
med dunlop
firm dunlop,

and


soft talalay
med talalay
firm dunlop

hopefully I find a solution.

14 Feb 2021 11:57
  • Sensei
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Hey lantern71,

Thanks for your response and updates :) .

I ended up going with the 10" natural latex from Flexus. They are nearby which makes them easy to work with should any layer exchange need to happen. Better safe than sorry.


Congrats on your new mattress purchase :) ! Thanks for your support of expert trusted member Flexus Comfort , I'm happy to hear that they are located near you and know that you can expect an excellent post-sale support experience from FC should a comfort exchange be required.

As far as the sleep so far......overall a big improvement compared to the old mattress but I need a few weeks to see if I got the configuration right. After the first 2-3 nights I woke up with some lower back pain in the morning but that has mostly subsided in the days since. Maybe it's just the initial adjustment to a new mattress but I will be playing with the layers over the next couple weeks to arrive at a definitive answer.


Your thought process has been stellar so far, lantern. Experimenting with the layers could change the comfort feel somewhat, so be sure and give each configuration some time for your body to adjust. Since your initial post regarded a question on one of the latex layers, we didn't discuss some of the pre-purchase basics of what is your current mattress, what size/ how old is it, what foundation are you using, and whether you plan to update your pillow scheme. Your body will need a 30 or so day sleep adjustment period to get used to the comfort and support of your new mattress, so some degree of lower back pain is not a surprise and should subside.

In the meantime I would be interested in getting your take on my lower back issue. I am 6'1, 185 lbs, and mostly a back sleeper. Current mattress setup, top to bottom, is med talalay, med firm dunlop, firm dunlop. Mattress is currently on the floor. As I mentioned, I woke up with lower back pain after the first couple nights, which quickly subsided in the morning after sitting up and stretching by trying to touch my toes. I am relatively comfortable when getting into bed at night and don't have an issue falling asleep. However, I have noticed that when laying on my back with legs straight, the lower back muscles are not as relaxed compared to when lying on my back with legs bent (see picture below).


You may find making some notes on your observations as well as taking some pics of how you appear on the mattress helpful for "seeing" what you are feeling. As a primarily back sleeper, you will need a slightly shallower cradle to provide pressure relief for filling the small of the back/ lumbar area where your body has a less curvy profile. A good starting point for a back sleeper is 2" of softer material on top of your mattress and then increasing or decreasing from there depending on other factors like weight, preferences, or other sleeping positions.

when laying on my back with both straight and bent legs, the comfort layer appears to be filling in the curve of my lower back. Taken all together, my guess is that my hips are digging in a bit too much and I may benefit from increasing the firmness of the support layers. I intend to test this by swapping the dunlop layers. I have read several of the existing forum threads on related issues, but I would be interested is getting your general thoughts as to whether or not my thinking is headed the right direction?


Good job on your forum research, lantern :) ! There are definitely a vast number of posts to sift through, but with a little time and patience, you'll find a treasure trove of similar experiments with great details on the efforts and outcomes of other consumers. Are you lying flat on your back as in this illustration or using pillows? If you are using pillows, what loft are they? Back sleepers need lower profile pillows for optimal neck, shoulder spinal alignment, My general thoughts are that if you document your layering experiments carefully, giving each arrangement sufficient time to track improvements or setbacks, and use this forum to seek advice either from Flexus Comfort or other trusted members, you should find the solution you seek. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the questions above regarding your previous mattress setup, there may be some clues of interest there as well. Looking forward to your updates and good luck with your layering experiments.

Thanks ;) ,
Sensei
10 Feb 2021 12:13
  • lantern71
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Thank you for the reply Sensei. I ended up going with the 10" natural latex from Flexus. They are nearby which makes them easy to work with should any layer exchange need to happen. Better safe than sorry.

As far as the sleep so far......overall a big improvement compared to the old mattress but I need a few weeks to see if I got the configuration right. After the first 2-3 nights I woke up with some lower back pain in the morning but that has mostly subsided in the days since. Maybe it's just the initial adjustment to a new mattress but I will be playing with the layers over the next couple weeks to arrive at a definitive answer.

In the meantime I would be interested in getting your take on my lower back issue. I am 6'1, 185 lbs, and mostly a back sleeper. Current mattress setup, top to bottom, is med talalay, med firm dunlop, firm dunlop. Mattress is currently on the floor.

As I mentioned, I woke up with lower back pain after the first couple nights, which quickly subsided in the morning after sitting up and stretching by trying to touch my toes. I am relatively comfortable when getting into bed at night and don't have an issue falling asleep. However, I have noticed that when laying on my back with legs straight, the lower back muscles are not as relaxed compared to when lying on my back with legs bent (see picture below).



when laying on my back with both straight and bent legs, the comfort layer appears to be filling in the curve of my lower back. Taken all together, my guess is that my hips are digging in a bit too much and I may benefit from increasing the firmness of the support layers. I intend to test this by swapping the dunlop layers. I have read several of the existing forum threads on related issues, but I would be interested is getting your general thoughts as to whether or not my thinking is headed the right direction?
07 Feb 2021 14:31
  • Sensei
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Hey M Shaw,

Thanks for your reply and updates :) .

Thanks for your reply, Sensei. I may have been unclear about my lumbar spine situation. I don't have chronic pain, just a narrow range of what's comfortable for my lumbar spine in terms of more or less mattress support. Too much support is uncomfortable when I'm lying down; too little support can cause pain throughout the day. But when I have the right mattress support, my back is comfortable at night and I don't have back pain during the day.


Thanks for clarifying your lumbar spine situation in terms of chronic pain, M Shaw. My apologies for any added emphasis on the subject, as its out of an abundance of caution for your well-being and health that we stress the absence of any medical credentials in our suggestions to consumers :) . It's good to know that your back is comfortable at night and pain-free during the day with use of the right mattress support.

Mattresses I've tried over the last 10 years:
• Several Sealy Posturepedics, because they had worked well before. But they got too soft too fast under the lumbar area; none worked for more than a year.
• A 2010 Tempur-pedic, which was okay with a topper. I still have it but it's not the right balance of comfort and support for me.
• A Leesa mattress, which lasted about 2 years. I used a topper at first, then removed the topper after it broke in enough. Then it started sagging at the hip area, and I flipped it over and used a topper again. That was really comfortable for a couple of months, but also started sagging too much at the hip.
• A Tempur-Cloud (immediately too soft) and a firm Tempur Pro-Adapt (okay at first with a topper, but just not comfortable over time).


You have experienced quite a variety of mattresses in the last 10 years! No doubt that it's been a frustrating 10 years of trying a variety of mattresses to all eventually fail in providing correct support in one way or another. What did you think of Phoenix's "Basic Functions of a Mattress" article? Did you find any insights for learning more about the comfort and support roles materials and layering play as applied to your research?

It was TMU's listing of Sleep On Latex as a trusted member that led me to buying the two 1-inch toppers. I haven't asked them for help directly yet, but I'll try calling and laying out what I'm working on.


Great! I'll be looking forward to what their suggestions for your DIY may be. Also regarding more trusted members who may offer guidance, here is some advice from a recent Phoenix post #2 that you may find useful.

"Here are some skilled experts that can offer personalized guidance on how to do this whether you buy from them or not:

Ken at Arizona Premium Mattress is very skilled at helping consumers with their DIY
Shawn and Rodger at Latex Mattress Factory
And of course, Sleep EZ can help with building a DIY as well.
You can also "build a mattress" on Flexus Comfort , with the option to buy the base recommended for the mattress.

Regardless of which mattress you choose, it's important that you have a detailed conversation with the knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer who, and provide them with good information about your body types, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about mattresses you have tested and done well with, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress."


Ah, good to know. I figured that I could try a 1-inch layer to also simulate a 2-inch layer by folding it in half.


I didn't ask before, but what size is your DIY? For example, if you're working with a queen size layer/ 60" wide, folding that in half allows for a 30" wide space of trial real estate plus the bulk of the fold, not fairly representing the feel a single 2" uniform latex layer would provide.

Are two 1-inch layers not the same as one 2-inch layer in terms of firmness?


I'm not a latex expert but more of a latex enthusiast and defer to any of the above experts to discuss what subtilties may be involved between the differences in the same firmness of varying thicknesses in latex.

A couple more questions:
1. Is there some reason I shouldn't combine memory foam, latex, and HD foam?


None at all from a construction standpoint. Keep an eye to the quality of the foams you use, especially where HD/ HR foam are used as a support core, an HD foam weighing +1.8 lbs. per cu. ft. is more durable and will keep its support firmness longer .

Basically, I think I need to either keep the 35-ILD support layer and add in a transitional layer, or replace the support layer with something softer. I'm just not sure which makes sense to try first, and where to find a good transitional layer or softer support layer. Any thoughts on whether it makes more sense to add a transitional layer or replace the support layer? I'm inclined to try transitional first.


As you already have the 35 ILD HD foam support layer, you could try tweaking things a bit with a transitional layer. Have you tried using the 2" 11 ILD memory foam as a transition layer above the two 4" HD support layers? That may provide an interesting comfort/ support combination.

I like Sleep On Latex, but they seem to have 20-ILD or 30-ILD layers, and I want something in between. Any suggestions of another store? I don't really care if it's more latex or something else.


Please review the above trusted members, all have deep latex knowledge and DIY experience.

I'm a little unsure about an all-latex mattress because of both the weight and the cost. But I'm fine with adding in more individual latex layers.


Understood, M Shaw. An all-latex mattress can be a pricey proposition. Our trusted member latex/ all-latex manufacturers and retailers offer affordable solutions and can help you design a quality latex (or other configuration) mattress at a reasonable cost. Looking forward to your progress updates and good luck with your DIY ;) .

Thanks,
Sensei
01 Feb 2021 20:02
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Hi noahsi.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

It is always a downer when a mattress you know works well for you goes out of production. I was able to pull up the specifications for The Best Mattress Ever (you're correct, they're trying to rebrand their hybrid as their original "Best Mattress Ever" - I couldn't tell you why though). You are not alone. Many people liked the mattress and it’s too bad that they reworked and changed materials and specs.

The version you have (medium firmness) is 10" with 2" Talalay (28 ILD) followed by 2" Dunlop (32 ILD) and then 6" of a 2 lb convoluted polyfoam core (around 32 ILD). This is good startup info as to what works for you. Link to BBs archived discontinued Best Mattress Ever .

Given that I am happy with my current mattress, would you recommend that I try one of the currently available Brooklyn Bedding options (it appears they have moved to a hybrid type system with an innerspring support layer and foam on top) which are also more expensive or is there an alternative mattress manufacturer with a product more similar to my current mattress in feel and support and coolness?


It looks like you’d rather stay with “what you know” in terms of feel with an all-foam configuration. While I see no need for you to try and learn to love a hybrid mattress, Depending on your budget I would not disregard them altogether as there are no real downsides to using a pocket coil support Also Pocket could have many advantages in terms of longevity, temperature regulation, motion isolation, conform well to different body types and sleeping positions. etc. There is more about an innerspring/latex hybrid vs an all latex mattress in post #2 here.

Because every layer and component in a mattress can affect the feel and performance of every other layer and the mattress "as a whole" I’d say that you’d have a different experience with any of Brooklyn Bedding’s other lineups. If you’d like to venture into some trial and error experiments I’d make sure to find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to disqualify any mattress that has lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress.

This said because you know the ILDs/foam density of the configuration you have; it wouldn't be especially difficult to recreate this mattress yourself with DIY components in a King size - although I'd recommend moving to an all-latex system if budget permits as it's going to be more durable over time and respond better than polyfoam core.

A DIY is certainly an option and can get a bit complex but it is usually a rewarding option if approached in the spirit of adventure. You’d be able to tweak and adjust the mattress to your liking, and can do a side-by-side split if your partner would prefer a different feel or firmness. If that's the route you choose to take, there are experts and resources on TMU to help, if you chose to go that route.
Here are some slicked experts that can offer personalized guidance on how to do this whether you buy from them or not.

Deborah at DIY Natural bedding
Ken at Arizona premium mattress company is very skilled at helping consumers with their DIY
Shawn and Rodger at Latex Mattress company
And of course, SleepEZ can help with building a DIY as well.
You can also "build a mattress" on Flexus' website , with the option to buy the base recommended for the mattress.

Regardless of which mattress you choose, it's important that you have a detailed conversation with the knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer who, and provide them with good information about your body types, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about mattresses you have tested and done well with, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress.

In your case, being able to give specific ILDs would be a great help to them in assisting in choosing or configuring your next mattress.

I am not looking to upgrade from my current queen size mattress to a king-size mattress


I am assuming you probably meant “now” instead of “not” ….otherwise the dots don’t quite connect given your normal range BMIs, II’s be surprised if you’d be already in the market for a new mattress after not even 5 years of life from the original version of the Best Mattress Ever. Correct?

Also, can you recommend a mattress platform? Currently, I have a platform bed but with the upgrade in mattress size, I will either need to buy a new bed or simply buy a platform support (or a box spring?) .. if I am looking to keep the cost down on the actual bed side of it (and splurge more, if need be, on the mattress), what type of mattress platform would be ideal?


This also comes down to the mattress you buy. The manufacturer or expert helping you configure your mattress will have recommendations - and in some cases, certain bases may void a mattress warranty, so you'll want to keep that in mind when you're speaking with whomever it is you choose to buy your mattress from. If it were me because there are quite a few variables depending on the type of mattress you end up with, I would separate the purchase of the foundation from that of the mattress and first ensure that your new mattress works as expected after you’ve had the chance to sleep on it for a while even if it means placing the mattress on the floor for a certain period before moving ahead to buying a platform/foundation. I am saying this because of the lower back pain you mentioned which may have been caused by improper comfort/support or a sagging sleeping surface or both.

I hope this helps. I look forward to any future updates or questions you may have.

Phoenix

Note added later: As I am intermittently working on posts today I didn't notice that you deepened your research. Good to see that you are on the same wavelength and discovered on your own some of the directions I've indicated in this post. Good Job!

You are quite right! Both Luma Sleep and Nest Bedding are very good options depending on the type of mattress you decide will best serve you. Both have very good workmanship and design and as you probably noticed they are trusted members of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe they compete well with the best in the industry .

With the Luma Sleep is it awkward to have 2 pieces to the mattress? Is it hard to fit sheets over that?

Many mattresses are designed this way to offer more options for fine-tuning comfort support. There is no downside to having a 2 pieces mattress. It would be the same as having a topper on a base mattress and fitting a 2 piece bed with sheets' is not more "awkward" than fitting a one-piece mattress.
01 Feb 2021 13:55
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Hi DamionThrakos.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

When I first had the random thought of "we should get a new bed", I had no idea I'd find such a wealth of information.


It’s good to know that you've found the resources on our site useful in your research so far! It is always rewarding to see how one-by-one consumers are able to make an informed and educated mattress purchase. Days of sleeping on “hand-me-down and cheap thrift store mattresses” are better left behind as they can definitely throw a wrench in the works when it comes to your general wellbeing and quality of your sleep.

I'm 6'4" and around 240lbs and am primarily a back and side sleeper (mostly back)
My Wife is 5'9" and around 200lbs, is primarily a side sleeper, and sleeps like an absolute furnace.

Because of your larger frame and higher BMI, I’d be sure to find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to dismiss any mattress that has lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making a purchase. Because no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components are even more important than normal. I would base your choices as much as possible on your own personal testing Post #3 here ~ has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading.

There are also a number of forum posts and threads about mattresses and higher weights and a forum title search on heavy (you can just click this) will bring up many of them. Some examples include post #2 here and post #2 here and this thread .

With regards to sleeping hot, it looks like you’ve already considered this aspect based on your choice of mattress materials. So I am only reinforcing your choice of Hybrid latex or all latex with a little “sleeping hot” tips. There are many factors that control the sleeping temperature of a mattress and only one of these is the foam that is used in the mattress ... particularly in the upper layers.

While the upper layers of a mattress are the most significant part of temperature and moisture regulation ... deeper support components that allow more airflow can also have an effect and so innersprings will also tend to sleep cooler than foam support cores as long as the air can ventilate to the outside of the mattress.

In addition to this ... the mattress protector you choose along with your sheets and other bedding and what you wear when you sleep will also have a significant effect on temperature regulation because they can either add to the insulating effect or to the ventilating and moisture-wicking effect of your mattress. You can see more about the effect of different mattress protectors in post #89 here .

Bedding made from natural fibers or viscose materials (like bamboo) will also tend to be cooler than synthetic fibers and linen sheets along with silk are probably the coolest of all the natural fibers for those where the sleeping temperature is a main priority. There is more about sheets and bedding in post #7 here . In many cases changing the mattress protector, sheets, or bedding to cooler versions can make "enough" of a difference for many people who would otherwise sleep hot on a mattress.

'Ive narrowed my choices down to these, but I'm still open to suggestions:
- SleepEZ 360 Hybrid - I've seen this one pop up in a few places. It's quite affordable for us and I like that the top layer is adjustable in case we wanted to switch it up later on.
- Full Latex Split (either SleepEZ or Flexus Comfort) - I haven't seen any hybrids that come in a Split Cal King and this would let us utilize the two halves of the adjustable base separately. The downside is that we are uncertain how a full latex mattress would feel, I know very little about the specifics of them, and it is quite a bit more expensive than a hybrid.


Both mattresses you selected are great options for you and your wife's specific needs and preferences. Regardless of which mattress you end up choosing, it's important that you have a detailed conversation with each of the vendors. They are both knowledgeable and experienced online manufacturers that can help with making the best comfort/support choice if they are given your stats and information about your body types, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about mattresses you have tested and done well with, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress, along with which mattress you may be considering.

Since you mentioned latex hybrids allowing for a split.... [SleepEZ allows both customization and split option and Nest Bedding Hybrid Latex maybe also something you want to look into and test locally.

The final option would be to take the DIY route. I was thinking the 8" quantum edge elite coils with at least one layer of medium dunlap on top, but that's about as much as I've figured for that.


A DIY is certainly an option and can get a bit complex but it is usually a rewarding option if approached in the spirit of adventure. You’d be able to tweak and adjust the mattress to your liking, and can do a side-by-side split if your partner would prefer a different feel or firmness. If that's the route you choose to take, there are experts and resources on TMU to help, if you chose to go that route.
Here are some slicked experts that can offer personalized guidance on how to do this whether you buy from them or not.

Deborah at DIY Natural bedding
Ken at Arizona premium mattress company is very skilled at helping consumers with their DIY
Shawn and Rodger at Latex Mattress company
And of course, SleepEZ can help with building a DIY as well.

There is quite a bit of info to sift through, and I hope it helps you dial in on the best decision for you If any additional questions arise, I will be here to answer them. I look forward to your updates.

Phoenix
01 Feb 2021 08:48
  • Sensei
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Hey djdanko1,

Welcome back to the TMU forum and thanks for your question :) !

A few years ago I bought a Charles Rodgers mattress that is just too hard for my wife and I. We have tried toppers from kolhs and are still pretty stiff in the morning. Did some research on here, but still unsure.


We talked awhile last September about your Charles P. Rodgers St. Regis/ queen mattress's firmness, and how you had tried some toppers from Kolh's to soften its feel up a bit. I'm sorry to hear that you both are still experiencing morning stiffness and have yet to resolve that issue. We discussed a variety of topper options and materials previously in post #6 , but perhaps we can look at your question from a different angle this go-round.

From the Charles P Rogers site, the St. Regis is described as having either a double thick Natural Latex comfort layer or a premium memory foam comfort layer; which comfort layer does your mattress use? The mattress description states that on a firmness scale, the natural latex is rated closer to the firmest comfort feel, while the memory foam is rated more of a medium firmness feel. With your side sleeping preference and her combination sleeping styles, it sounds as though neither of you are getting the right amount of "sinking into" the mattress and a topper could help ease that situation.

Would something like LaNoodle Cuddle Top or a thicker Latex mattress be better for this needs? Any recommendations?


Mattress toppers are a comfort choice , so your preferences for components, fabrications, thickness, etc. all play into your selection. We didn't discuss your previous mattress before, but it would be helpful to know the type and brand of mattress you had before, as well as some of the qualities that you enjoyed about its feel and support. Do you like the feel of "sleeping on" a mattress or a mattress that has more of a "sleeping in" feel? Can you describe more on the constructions and types of Kohl's toppers that you've tried with no success? A LaNoodle Cuddle Top Latex Topper could be a good choice; you may find this thread regarding consumers' thoughts on the subject interesting. But again, it's important to better understand a bit more regarding your comfort preferences as a guide for your final decision. Hope these thought starters help a little and looking forward to hearing more as your research progresses.

Thanks ;) ,
Sensei
28 Jan 2021 23:02
  • DamionThrakos
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First of all, wow! When I first had the random thought of "we should get a new bed", I had no idea I'd find such a wealth of information. My wife and I have both only really slept on hand-me-down or cheap thrift store mattresses for years and while our foam mattress topper helps we think it's just time to upgrade. I've spent the last couple days looking things over and doing research and I think I've got my options narrowed down, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to double check.

I'm 6'4" and around 240lbs and am primarily a back and side sleeper (mostly back)
My Wife is 5'9" and around 200lbs, is primarily a side sleeper, and sleeps like an absolute furnace.

Having looked around we are thinking that we want to stick to a hybrid style of mattress with a Pocket Coil base and a layer or two of latex on top. We've been able to try a few mattresses at the stores in our area and while none of them have a full latex bed to try out, we have tried full foam and hybrids. We both find the full foam ones just a touch too alien to us and the hybrids seemed to hold their edges much better when we were sitting on them. We are opting for a California King and have already pretty much settled on getting a Prodigy Comfort Elite base to go with it, but the mattress itself is still up for debate. All I know so far is that Medium firmness is probably what we're going to be looking for, so that's where I started.

I've narrowed my choices down to these, but I'm still open to suggestions:
- SleepEZ 360 Hybrid - I've seen this one pop up in a few places. It's quite affordable for us and I like that the top layer is adjustable in case we wanted to switch it up later on.
- Full Latex Split (either SleepEZ or Flexus Comfort) - I haven't seen any hybrids that come in a Split Cal King and this would let us utilize the two halves of the adjustable base separately. Downside is that we are uncertain how a full latex mattress would feel, I know very little about the specifics of them, and it is quite a bit more expensive than a hybrid.
-The final option would be to take the DIY route. I was thinking the 8" quantum edge elite coils with at least one layer of medium dunlap on top, but that's about as much as I've figured for that.

The DIY method is fairly attractive due to the customizing that can be done both at the start and down the line, but I'm still uncertain on if one or two layers would be better for us and there wouldn't be any kind of warranty with it.
The 360 Hybrid is kind of my "easy" pick since it would be the most simple buy of the group.
The Full Latex is a bit of a wild card given all the unknowns with it and it is at the upper end of our budget.

Any tips or advice would be great since I feel a tad overwhelmed by just how much more there is to getting a bed than I originally thought.!
27 Jan 2021 11:52
  • FLEXUS COMFORT
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Hello Evie5,

I'm glad I was able to answerer all your questions via email in regard to our Quadraflex. Thank you for your purchase and I hope your parents enjoy their new mattress.
25 Jan 2021 08:17
  • Sensei
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Hey Evie5,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground :) ! Thanks for stopping by and for your question.

I've been reading this site for a few years figuring I'd eventually be getting a new mattress for myself - and I will at the end of summer when I move. However, I suddenly need to order a new mattress for my parents. I've emailed Flexus a couple of times (first on Monday, then Friday) but have received no response. I don't hear well on the phone, which is why I haven't called. I'm ready to move on to SleepEZ, but before I do, I have a final question about Flexus' latex hybrid (Quadraflex) in case anyone here can answer. Is the mattress cover zippered so that the latex layer can be swapped out for a different firmness? Parents are insisting on getting firm and I kinda have my doubts, so I want to have options in case it doesn't work out. From reading this site, I believe another option would be to get a latex topper to add plushness in case the mattress itself is too firm. Thanks for any help!


Congrats on your parents' upcoming new mattress purchase :) ! Thanks too for considering TMU expert trusted members Flexus Comfort and Sleep EZ for a possible mattress purchase, both manufacturers are highly respected for their many years' experience in the direct-to-consumer space and excellent customer service support throughout the selection and purchase process.



Flexus Comfort's Quadra-Flex Pocket Coil Latex Mattress features a zippered cover that allows for layer exchanges if needed, as well as one-time exchange within the first 90 days, following a 30 day sleep trial. They would be happy to work directly with both you and your parents to determine which firmness and support options would best suit their needs, and our support team will help arrange that if you like. I do know from a consumer's question last week that FC has been a bit busier than usual and would likely respond to your emailed questions this week sometime. Please let us know how you would like to proceed and good luck with your research :) .

Thanks,
Sensei
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