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12 May 2016 11:22
  • phoenix
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Hi elke,

The mattress didn't work out for us. Husband especially was complaining about being unable to stay asleep, feeling stuck on the mattress, tingling hands etc. My hips were sore (a common problem for me when I feel the surface is too firm), and I slept hot. I tried placing a memory foam topper (Costco) on top. This helped me some, but didn't do much for husband. Nest bedding sent us the Alexander topper (again, great customer service). I liked that topper better than the memory foam, though I still had some soreness and was also sleeping too hot. Husband remained in pain and unhappy. We ended up returning the mattress after trying out their other options in store but finding none that worked for both of us..


I'm sorry to hear that your Alexander mattress didn't work out as well as you hoped for but of course the good news is that they have a great return policy so you were able to try the mattress without any risk.

Now we have a mattress from Bay Bed in Santa Cruz (also a member of this site). It's a medium coil with 3 layers of Talalay latex - husband has 2 layers of xsoft and one of soft, I have 2 xtrasoft and one firm, with a wool mattress cover.
The good news: Husband is pretty happy. Tingling in his hands remains, but other than that, he sleeps much better. For me, I am not there yet. I have played with changing my layers around (you can unzip the cover and rearrange everything, pretty neat), and I like the firm layer on top of the 2 xtrasoft layers. I have no hip pain and almost no sore lower back in this configuration, but my shoulders are as tight as they haven't been in a long time. I tried switching the pillow - I've been sleeping on a shredded memory foam side sleeper pillow from Nest and stole husbands soft latex pillow from Bay Bed the other night - maybe a small improvement. I'm a side sleeper when I fall asleep and roll onto my back once asleep. If a mattress is too firm, I don't roll on my back and wake up every few hours. If a mattress is too soft (I think), my lower back gets unhappy.


Congratulations on your new mattress :)

As you know you certainly made a great quality/value choice and I hope that you are able to find a layering combination that works well for you.

I don't know how long you've been sleeping on your mattress but I would keep in mind that there will be a break in and adjustment period for any new mattress or sleeping system as the mattress loses any of it's "false firmness" and the cover stretches and loosens a little and the materials settle and your body gets used to a sleeping surface that is different from what it is used to (see post #3 here ). This would typically be a few weeks but it can be shorter or longer depending on the specifics of the person and the mattress (higher density materials like latex can take longer) and it can be surprising to many people how much their sleeping experience can change over the course of the first month or so. If your mattress is too firm then some of the suggestions in post #2 here may be helpful as well.

While it's not possible to "diagnose" more complex mattress comfort issues on a forum with any certainty because there are too many unique unknowns, variables, and complexities involved that can affect how each person sleeps on a mattress in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) or any "symptoms" they experience ... there is more about the most common symptoms that people may experience when they sleep on a mattress and the most likely (although not the only) reasons for them in post #2 here .

There is also more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel".

These posts are the "tools" that can help with the analysis, detective work, or trial and error that may be necessary to help you learn your body's language and "translate" what your body is trying to tell you so you can identify the types of changes that have the best chance of reducing or eliminating any "symptoms" you are experiencing ... at least to the degree that any symptoms are from your mattress rather than the result of any other circumstances or pre-existing issues you may have that may not be connected to a mattress.

I suspect that my shoulders are sensitive to the resiliency of the latex, while my hips/lower back are well aligned, and I am wondering how to fine tune the mattress for my side from here (without messing up husband's comfort level).:


I'm not sure that the resiliency (springiness) would be the issue since resiliency isn't related to firmness and pressure relief and it's possible that you may need a little bit of additional pressure relief under your shoulders. This could be the result of having a firm layer on top or it could be a pillow issue as well (possibly a thicker pillow to keep your head and neck in better alignment and to reduce pressure on your shoulders) although your own personal experience would be the only way to know for certain whether a specific layering combination will work for you or how and how much your "symptoms" change when you sleep on the new configuration.

Again though ... I would wait for a couple of weeks at a minimum before making changes to your mattress. If after a few weeks you decide that you need to make changes I would also sleep on each new configuration for "long enough" that you are confident that your experience or any "symptoms" are a pattern rather than just an anomaly over the course of a day or two or is just the result of adjusting to the change itself.

1. Exchanging one of the latex layers - would love more suggestions on which firmness levels in what order.


Before exchanging layers I would probably try moving the firm layer down so that you have a softer layer on top of it which would "allow" your shoulders to sink in and could relieve pressure on your shoulders a little more.

If rearranging your current layers doesn't work as well as you hope for then the next (or even the first) step I would take is a more detailed conversation with Bay Bed. They will have more experience than anyone else about the type of changes that would have the best chance of success based on your conversation and on the "averages" of their many customers over the years that have similar circumstances or "symptoms" to yours. Phone conversations are a much more effective source of guidance for more complex or nuanced issues than written communications that are much more "linear" (see post #4 here ).

2 Adding a wool topper, or another kind of topper to reduce the resiliency without messing up the lower back alignment. I do still have the Alexander topper, but I think it may be too thick and also sleeps a little hot for me (it's a 3 inch or so foam topper).


While wool would be less resilient than latex ... I'm not so sure that resiliency is the issue.

There is more information about wool toppers and how they compare to various foam or latex toppers (at least in very general terms) in post #8 here and in posts #3 and #6 here and there are some additional comments about wool toppers and a list of some of the better sources I'm aware of in post #3 here .

There is also more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to which along with a conversation with a reliable and knowledgeable supplier (that can provide you with good information about how their toppers compare to each other or to other toppers they are familiar with that are available on the market) can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success.

Since the only way to know for certain whether any specific topper will be a good match for you on top of a specific mattress will be based on your own personal experience ... if you can't test a mattress/topper combination in person and/or you aren't confident that the mattress/topper combination will be a good "match" for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP then a good exchange/return policy can also reduce the risk of an online topper purchase so I would make sure you are comfortable with the options you have available after a purchase just in case the topper you choose doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for.

Phoenix
29 Apr 2016 18:18
  • jlcpremier
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Thanks for the response Phoenix. I noticed a lot of similar responses in certain areas you have given on other threads but I get that with getting asked so many similar questions by users, it's best to have some responses pre-staged. However, I did check out most of what you mentioned and the guidance helped immensely.

I've already eliminated Ghostbed and Yogabed, and after reading through the Saatva thread and Loom & Leaf thread, I am leaving those as absolute last resorts, as I just don't feel very comfortable with the company as a whole.

After now numerous hours of reading through various threads and revisiting your guides in detail, I have a clear direction on how to proceed from here...

Right now, more than likely I am leaning toward the Nest Love Bed or Alexander Hybrid. Having the ability to test these in person is a huge plus. And from my quick visit yesterday, I did feel that one of those was a strong possibility. After reading through the testing guidelines I will be sure to incorporate that into my testing tomorrow.

The Brooklyn Bedding BME is still in contention since you mentioned the high quality latex it has, but reading through the threads, it appears there are some slight QC issues with it as well. If neither of the Nest mattresses end up being a good fit, that would be my next option I would try.

I haven't entirely ruled out the Leesa either but it would be further down the list. The Alexander would come in after that, and Purple, well after reading more into it, I don't think that's ultimately the type of support I'm looking for, so that would join the Saatva and Loom & Leaf as last resorts.

I'll let you know what happens.
29 Apr 2016 12:40
  • jlcpremier
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So first a little background... I had a Kingsdown Sleep to Live 600 series traditional innerspring mattress that lasted about 4 years. I picked it up from Sit and Sleep, and using their bed match system or whatever it was called back then I was in between the 3rd and 4th sections (blue and red) out of the 4 section scale. Which put me in a medium-medium firm range. The bed was split with one side being blue and the other red. I never slept on the red side as it was too firm. That bed developed a body impression but also got stained which voided the warranty. Last March I decided to pick up the popular and very highly rated Brentwood Home 13 inch mattress from Amazon here For the first few months, I really liked the mattress, but over the past 3 months, I've been having back pain and cannot get a decent night of sleep on this anymore. It now seems this mattress was too firm for me all along. I'm also thinking some of the foam may have given way as I don't feel the support I originally had when I bought it, so now I am looking to replace it.

A couple days ago I started by venturing out to some local mattress stores here in Los Angeles. I visited Sit N Sleep, Ortho, Jerome's, Living Spaces, and an independent mattress store by my house. From my research on here and other sites, I know to stay away from the big "S" brands but my goal was to determine what level of firmness I really needed. I decided to try Sit N Sleep again and get an updated bed match diagnostic done. This time I fell right on the edge of the green and blue, basically right in the middle between firm and soft. I managed to find a very comfortable Simmons Beautyrest Recharge here . To my surprise this is actually a luxury firm but the pillow top gave it just the right amount of softness. After, I headed over to Ortho, and found I liked the feel of the plush model of the Simmons and Serta hybrids as well. I then went across the street to Jerome's and was also able to find a couple innerspring mattresses there with the level of firmness/softness I liked. They had the Revitalize and Rejuvenate II series both were the plush level of firmness I liked (a 3 out of 10 on their scale). They told me their mattresses are made by Diamond mattresses, a local manufacturer here in So Cal, who I've never heard of before. They also don't offer any kind of trial period so that was crossed off the list.

So that brings me to my current search. I'm looking at many different online companies, all of which I have seen on these various "so-called" mattress review sites. In order of price, I am considering the following....

Ghostbed - Brooklyn Bedding: Best Mattress Ever - Yogabed - Leesa - Nest Love Bed - Saatva - Purple - Nest Alexander Hybrid - Loom & Leaf and the Nest Alexander.

However of these choices, I have put them into 3 groups based on type and price, along with similar construction. Those would be...

Group 1: Value priced Foam...Brooklyn Bedding, Leesa and Nest Love Bed
Group 2: Mattress w/Innersprings: Saatva and Nest Alexander Hybrid
Group 3: Luxury priced Foam: Loom & Leaf and Nest Alexander

Purple is in it's own category, and Ghostbed and Yogabed are more on the outs due to the fact they don't provide as much comfort layers of foam, and are similarly priced to those above in Group 1

Price is a slight concern, but I'm willing to spend more to get the appropriate level of comfort and support, so in that regard I would be just as happy with a Ghostbed as I would with an Alexander provided it gives me the proper level of comfort and support.

Before I go on, let me give you some information about myself. I am 5'9" and weigh 194 lbs, and I am mostly a side sleeper. Everything I've read says a lot of these value priced mattresses should be avoided for heavier sleepers so I'm not sure where I fall on that scale. My biggest concern as I'm sure it is with most people is getting right firmness of mattress. That's ultimately why I've given myself so many to choose from.

I figured Group 1 would give me something closer to what I have now in the Brentwood but hopefully in the right firmness. Since I like the feel of innersprings, that's why I have group 2 in there, and group 3 is there because well they are luxury foam mattresses and the Alexander comes in a softer feel, which I feel is more what I need.

That being said, I was fortunate enough to be able to visit the Nest bedding store in Santa Monica, and try out all the Nest options. The result was interesting. The Love Bed, Alexander Hybrid, and Alexander didn't really feel all that different from each other, with the exception of the softer Alexander. The medium Love bed did have a nice little bounce to it that you don't normally feel in a memory foam mattress, and the Alexander Hybrid seemed to have a nice balance of foam feel with the bounce of an innerspring. Whether that's worth an extra $272 I have yet to decide. I'm actually going back tomorrow with my girlfriend to give them a little more in depth test, as I had limited time yesterday on my lunch break. The materials and feel of the Alexander Hybrid did seem to be better than the Love Bed so in that regard it may be worth the extra $$. However, I did find out from the rep one interesting thing. When I mentioned that I currently had the Brentwood mattress, she said "Oh that's cool, they are actually one of our manufacturers here for So Cal" Considering I'm not exactly happy with the Brentwood I have now, it's not exactly a deal breaker but that does concern me slightly.

Should I be at all concerned that Brentwood is manufacturing mattresses for Nest?

After taxes and discounts, the Nest Love Bed and Leesa are only $1 apart in price. With that, is there any reason I should consider the Leesa over the Love Bed? If not, then that's one mattress I can eliminate right off the bat.

How would you compare the comfort layers and materials in the Brooklyn Bedding, Leesa and Nest Love Bed and I guess along those lines to the Ghostbed and Yogabed?

Since I did enjoy sleeping on my old Kingsdown innerspring mattress and enjoyed the feel of the Simmons and Jeromes innerspring mattress, that also makes things confusing when trying to choose as that will also include the Saatva and Nest Alexander Hybrid. I was told by the rep at Nest that due to my body proportions/weight, I would definitely feel the coils on the Saatva since it only uses less than 2" of comfort foam above the coils. Should I basically cross that off the list as well? I do like the fact though that it is available in a soft and luxury firm option, of which I would probably lean more toward soft. The good thing about the Alexander Hybrid, is I was able to test it out, and it seems like it should be the right amount of support and softness, but I didn't get that immediate great feeling I felt when I tried out the Simmons and Jerome's mattresses. Again, I have no intention of buying either of those.

Then there is group 3. Out of these two, I would lean more toward the Loom and Leaf but I have the Alexander on there because it has the softer option. They are fairly comparable in size and amount/composition of layers so just wondering if there is any real advantage/disadvantage of the quality/amount of materials?

Lastly, that leaves Purple all by itself. I admit I'm intrigued at this whole hyper elastic polymer providing a "perfect level of support" but it certainly isn't the front runner at this point. Any reason I should move it up the list or should eliminate it from contention?

If you've made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read this. I was blown away at how many choices there are in the online individual mattress world now, so I hope this topic and responses will help others out as well.
15 Mar 2016 13:32
  • Melanie_KE
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I wanted to make this thread as useful as possible, so I'm going to add all my stats and details here.

I am a 5' tall female and usually weigh between 115-125lbs (right now I'm pregnant, so it's obviously a bit more). I'm petite and have a somewhat curvy body type; small shoulders with bigger hips. I used to be an every way sleeper - stomach, back, and sides, but after having our first child, I can't sleep on my stomach anymore. Mostly I go to sleep on one of sides and wake up on my back. I prefer a plush, luxe comfort feel.

My husband is 5'10; I don't know how much he weighs but I think it's around 150 lbs. (he's slim, does that sound right?). He has wider shoulders and narrow hips, and similar sleep positions to me. He says he prefers a more firm mattress, but I'm not sure what that's based on besides assumption.

Our mattress story: we mostly slept on hand-me-down traditional innerspring mattresses from our parents until I got pregnant the first time. At that point, we were sleeping on a hand-me-down mattress from my mom that was ok but got increasingly more uncomfortable as I got further along in pregnancy. I decided to bite the bullet and buy the Tempurpedic I had always dreamed of (this was in 2012). I honestly don't even remember which one we ended up with, maybe one of the Rhapsody line? All I remember was the horrible and potent yeast, mildew, and inflatable pool toy plastic smell that filled our entire house for weeks. Being pregnant, it REALLY freaked me out and I couldn't deal with it. I also found the mattress to be not very comfortable and too firm, though husband really liked the comfort level (hated the smell too, though). In a panic, I returned the Tempurpedic and got the most comfortable pillowtop mattress at the same store, a Sealy Posturepedic. 4 years later, I'm in exactly the same situation! Incidentally, so are my in-laws; they bought the same mattress set we did a few months after us and are finding it to be super uncomfortable already, though they are much heavier than we are.

So here I am, in pain every morning again - all-over back, shoulder, and neck pain when I wake up, and persistent back and shoulder stiffness/achiness throughout the day. I wake up many times in the night from back pain, I think because my hips are being pushed too far upwards, causing my spine to be totally misaligned while I sleep. I suspect I also need new pillows; whenever I decide on a mattress, I will decide between Nest's easy breather latex pillow and a DIY shredded latex pillow kit from DIYnaturalbedding.com. My husband has been sleeping on our sofa mostly (our toddler likes to sneak into our bed at night and he wiggles a lot), but he claims our current bed, though much less comfortable than it once was, is not unbearable for him like it is for me. He thinks I am just more picky, but I think our body types are just different. When he was sleeping in our bed more regularly, he did complain of feeling tired a lot and waking up during the night. I think he just didn't believe me that it was the mattress.

As far as mattress requirements, here are my requirements in order of importance:

Comfort - must feel luxuriously comfortable, which I interpret to mean soft/plush.
Durablity - must be comfortable for more than 4 years!
Price - Ideally less than $1500 shipped
Support - must be supportive enough that I don't wake up in pain
Edge support - we can't go bigger than a queen size, which means sometimes there will be more than 2 people in the bed, which means we need to be able to sleep right up to the edge without children rolling off.
Cool - can't sleep hot
Off-gassing - must be minimal
Motion Transfer - I would love to feel my husband/children toss and turn less, but compared to the other factors, this one is towards the bottom of the importance list.
Natural materials - This is not a deal-breaker, but I would prefer all natural materials with minimal chemicals, and made in USA

So that's all my pertinent info! Taking all that into consideration, I have thought the Nest Alexander Signature Select medium or one of the Nest Honest Beds would be our best choice, but then they released the Al. Hybrid, and I was nearly sold on it because of the pocketed coils (durable support and better air flow). Hearing that it is so soft, though, has me hesitating because of my husband. I also didn't realize until recently that the Love Bed featured latex foam, which has me considering it as well. Ideally, I would love to test them out in person, but that's just not an option. I think it's time for me to take Phoenix's advice and call Nest to speak to someone. Maybe I will do that today.

If anyone has any input they would like to share, I'm all ears. Thank you to everyone who has tried to help, and a BIG thank you to Phoenix for being such a wealth of information and assistance.

Melanie
24 Feb 2016 18:40
  • phoenix
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Hi jasawithaJ,

I initially went to the local mattress stores and tried several out and narrowed it down to a Sealy Hybrid and a Beautyrest Black Glendale Hybrid Plush Mattress. When I was looking at the questions section on the Alexander Hybrid page it actually specifically compares the Beautyrest Black with the Alexander Hybrid. Can anyone on here actually confirm that to be true?

I fell in love with the Beautyrest but it is almost double $$$ what I intended to spend. Any help is greatly appreciated.


I would read the comments in post #2 here if you are trying to compare any major brand mattress to another mattress (and as you can see I would never consider a Beautyrest Black mattress which uses lower quality and less durable materials than I would consider buying).

When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation (not email ... see post #4 here ) with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Because your own personal experience is the only way to know for certain whether any mattress will be a good "match" for you in terms of PPP (or how it will compare to another mattress based on your own experience which may be very different from someone else) ... the exchange/return policy (and any costs involved) can also be a much more important part of the "value" of an online purchase just in case (and in spite of the "best judgement" of everyone involved) the choice you make doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for.

A good exchange policy lets you test a mattress in your bedroom instead of a showroom with little risk so that you can decide for yourself how you like a mattress regardless of anyone else's experience which may be very different from your own.

Phoenix
20 Feb 2016 22:09
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Hi Meri831,

Thanks for your reply. What is a BBBME?


It means Brooklyn Bedding BestMattressEver which is one of the simplified choice mattresses that are in the list I linked in my last reply. It's a latex/polyfoam hybrid.

I don't want a foam bed.


"Foam" is just a generic name that means a material with air bubbles inside it. It can refer to different types of materials. There are three main types of foam (memory foam, polyfoam, and latex foam) that are all different from each other and most mattresses in the industry contain some foam layers. Your Saatva mattress for example includes some memory foam and some polyfoam layers.

Assuming that the materials in a mattress you are considering are durable enough for your body type and meet the quality/durability guidelines here relative to your weight range ... the choice between different types and combinations of materials and components or different types of mattresses are more of a preference and a budget choice than a "better/worse" choice (see this article ).

My sister did just get a sleep number bed and she loves it. I slept over her house recently while she was away and told her I loved her bed , but I don't need such a fancy $$$$ one , and my husband passed away so the number thing is a waste for me. Is the sleep number a foam bed ? I don't really know. I did sleep great on it though.


Sleep Number is an airbed that uses an air bladder as a support core on the bottom and then has different types and combinations of foam layers (polyfoam or memory foam) on top of the air bladder depending on the specific model.

You can see my thoughts about airbeds in general this article . While any mattress can be a good match for a specific person because each person's needs and preferences or the criteria that are most important to them can be very different ... in general terms I would tend to avoid them unless there is a very compelling reason that an airbed would be a better choice for you in "real life" (outside of the many "marketing stories" that you will hear about them) than the many other options or types of mattresses that are available to you.

If you are committed to an airbed and you are convinced that there are no other types of mattresses that will meet your criteria then there are some other airbed options that are listed in post #3 here that may be much better quality/value choices than Sleep Number/Select Comfort.

The best place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial which I linked in my last reply which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

If you would also like to include some local options in your research that you can try in person before a purchase then if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

Phoenix
20 Feb 2016 07:21
  • abbygrant
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I did as was suggested at the Nest Bedding store & removed my mattress pad & replaced it with a Luna mattress protector, which I found suggested in the forums here. I believe this has made somewhat of a difference with the softness issue, though I still find some neck & shoulder issues upon awakening. However, in fairness to Nest, this could be a pillow issue as I recently switched to a memory foam issue. However, I'm still on the fence regarding the hybrid & still bothered by the welting issue which although cosmetic bothers me.

Abbygrant, from my visit to the store, the signature as well as their Love mattress were definitely firmer than the hybrid, though I did find the hybrid the most comfortable out of the three. The edge support on the hybrid still seems the best. I see you too tried the BBB ME like zexpress, do you think if you had ordered a medium firmness, your experience would have been better? I'm considering that as an alternative to the hybrid.


I ordered the BBBME soft. I did an online chat with their customer support and explained that I wanted something similar to my TempurCloud. They suggested the soft would be most similar, but in reality it was much softer. I tried it for over 30 days and woke up repeatedly with my arms asleep and numb. I thought that firmness caused this, but now I realize that this was too soft. In hindsight and after reviewing info on this website I decided that the BBBME medium may have worked for me, But I don't want to try one since I used my trial for the soft. This is just my experience, so others could be different.
20 Feb 2016 06:55
  • Loiroi
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I did as was suggested at the Nest Bedding store & removed my mattress pad & replaced it with a Luna mattress protector, which I found suggested in the forums here. I believe this has made somewhat of a difference with the softness issue, though I still find some neck & shoulder issues upon awakening. However, in fairness to Nest, this could be a pillow issue as I recently switched to a memory foam issue. However, I'm still on the fence regarding the hybrid & still bothered by the welting issue which although cosmetic bothers me.

Abbygrant, from my visit to the store, the signature as well as their Love mattress were definitely firmer than the hybrid, though I did find the hybrid the most comfortable out of the three. The edge support on the hybrid still seems the best. I see you too tried the BBB ME like zexpress, do you think if you had ordered a medium firmness, your experience would have been better? I'm considering that as an alternative to the hybrid.
20 Feb 2016 06:23
  • abbygrant
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Zexpress, are you still sleeping on the Nest Hybrid? I read through your posts and it looks like you're having similar experiences to me. I'm also a side sleeper. I tried the BB BME in soft and it did not work. I'm trying a Bear now and I think it is too firm. I've been sleeping on the Bear for almost 30 days and my shoulder pain is getting worse every night. I think that means that the mattress is too firm. I;m considering the Alexander Signature Select in medium. I've also looked at the Luxi website and that looks interesting. I'm frustrated.


I am still sleeping on it. I am pretty much right at my 30 day point now. I don't love the hyrbrid but I don't hate it either. It doesn't sleep as hot as it did when I first got it so many I adjusted although it still doesn't sleep as cool as many other mattresses I have slept on. I think at least for me the main problem isn't even that it's too soft as much as the top quilted layer with the deep indents are driving me nuts. It's such a terrible design decision. Also Nest still won't post my mostly positive 4 star review on their site so that is also factoring into my decision to likely return.

I was going to consider the Bear next. Is your only major complaint the firmness or are there other issues too? I really do love the edge support of the hybrid which was something sorely lacking in the BBME, how does the Bear compare?


I think the Bear is a well constructed mattress and the customer support at Bear is very good. They are very responsive to questions. The edges look rounded like other foam mattresses that I am familiar with. The edge support is fine as far as I can tell. The mattress does not sleep hot in my opinion. My first few nights on the Bear were fine, but for the last week I've been waking up every night with shoulder pain and upper back pain. This pain has gotten gradually worse over the last 3 weeks. After trying a few mattresses and reading the Mattress Tutorial on this site a few times, I'm thinking that the shoulder pain is a pressure point issue and is caused by the mattress being too firm. I tried 2 mattresses that were too soft and caused my arms to fall asleep and go numb in addition to lower back pain. It seems there is a fine line between too soft and too firm for side sleepers perhaps?

The mattress that worked best for me was my old TempurCloud Supreme. We moved that to the guest room when my husband and I moved and upgraded to a King Split bed with Twin XL mattresses.. My husband is using a Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Gel 13" mattress and really likes it. I returned mine because it was too soft and caused my arms to fall asleep and go numb repeatedly throughout the night. So I am on my third mattress now and not happy. The Bear worked best for me of the 3. I still really want to love it, but I'm not loving the shoulder pain!.

When I ordered the Bear I also considered the Leesa. I went with the Bear because it was advertised to be good for athletes and I am a tennis player and active person.

Zexpress, what made you pick the Alexander Hybrid over the Alexander Signature? I'm about ready to pull the trigger on an Alexander Signature Select medium.
11 Feb 2016 19:24
  • phoenix
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Hi abbygrant,

Our next mattress was the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Gel 13". Thankfully, I realized that my husband and I may have different mattress preferences so I ordered 2 twin XL's for a split king. My husband likes this mattress so he is still sleeping happily on his Dreamfoam Twin XL. I wanted to love mine, but after a few days I had very bad shoulder and upper back pain, lower back pain and my arms were falling asleep and going numb. This mattress felt much softer than the BME, but I had the same problems with both mattresses. I returned my Dreamfoam Ultimate dreams and started searching again.


I would keep in mind that here will be a break in and adjustment period for any new mattress or sleeping system as the mattress loses any of it's "false firmness" and the cover stretches and loosens a little and the materials settle and your body gets used to a sleeping surface that is different from what it is used to (see post #3 here ). This would typically be a few weeks but it can be shorter or longer depending on the specifics of the person and the mattress (higher density materials can take longer) and it can be surprising to many people how much their sleeping experience can change over the course of the first month or so and I would tend to sleep on a new mattress for a minimum of 30 days or so if possible before deciding on whether to exchange or return it (or possibly add a topper if the mattress is too firm).

Some of the suggestions in post #2 here may also be helpful because the support system under your mattress or any mattress pad or protector you are using and sometimes even the temperature in your bedroom can also have a significant effect on the feel and performance of a memory foam mattress.

I noticed that I did have some shoulder pain, although it was not enough to wake me up. After much online research, I decided on a Bear Mattress. I slept great on the Bear for the first 2 nights. I've been sleeping on it now for about 2 weeks. It's a good mattress, but I'm still having some shoulder pain, a little upper back pain, and now I'm having a little hip and knee pain. I am very active and play tennis several times per week. I'm also still recovering from knee arthroscopy, so the knee pain could be from that, I feel like the Bear is OK but not quite right. It has a feel somewhat like my old TempurCloud, but I don't think that I sink into the Bear quite as much. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Am I not sinking in as much since the Bear is a 10" mattress and the TempurCloud is 12"?


Again I would try and sleep on any new mattress for a month or so before deciding what to do.

Unfortunately it's not possible to "diagnose" mattress comfort issues on a forum with any certainty because you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unique unknowns, variables, and complexities involved including body type, sleeping positions, health conditions, and individual sensitivities and preferences that can affect how each person sleeps on a mattress in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) or any "symptoms" they experience so a mattress that would be "perfect" for one person may be unsuitable for someone else to sleep on.

Having said that ... there is more about the most common symptoms that people may experience when they sleep on a mattress and the most likely (although not the only) reasons for them in post #2 here .

There is also more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel" that may be helpful as well.

These posts are the "tools" that can help with the analysis, detective work, or trial and error that may be necessary to help you learn your body's language and "translate" what your body is trying to tell you so you can identify the types of changes that have the best chance of reducing or eliminating any "symptoms" you are experiencing (at least to the degree that any symptoms are from your mattress rather than the result of any other circumstances or pre-existing issues you may have that aren't connected to a mattress).

The thickness of a mattress or any individual layers inside it is really just a side effect of the design and the design goals of a mattress and is also only one of many variables that can affect the feel and performance of a mattress relative to any particular person and by itself isn't particularly meaningful (see post #2 here ). In some cases higher weight ranges will sometimes do better with a mattress that is thicker than lower weight ranges (see post #14 here for more about the effect of thickness) but even this depends more on the specific design and combination of materials in the mattress and on how well your testing or personal experience indicates the mattress "as a whole" matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP than anything else.

I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm going to try the Bear for another week at least, but I find myself searching online again. I'm wondering if I should spend a little more money and buy an Alexander Signature or Loom & Leaf. I'm worried that if I don't like the Loom & Leaf I will lose another $99 (their delivery fee). I'm tired of playing musical beds. Has anyone else had problems finding the perfect mattress. Is it unrealistic to expect to wake up without any shoulder pain at all when I sleep on my side?

I have thought that part of the problem could be the pillow, but I think I have a good pillow. I ordered a Nest Bedding Easy Breather pillow and removed a little bit of the stuffing. I feel like my neck is in line when I lay on it so I don;t think that my pillow is the problem. I used to sleep on a water pillow and that worked great. But I got tired of the weight and worrying about water leaking out, so I spent $99 on the Easy Breather.


There are certainly many other people that have difficulty finding a mattress that is a "good enough" match for them in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP ... especially if they are closer to the "princess and the pea" end of the range than the "I can sleep on anything" end of the range.

When you are purchasing an online mattress you don't have the option of making side by side "real time" comparisons with other mattresses to find out which of several mattresses you may prefer or that may be a better match for you in terms of PPP and you will generally find that any specific mattress may be the "best" match for a relatively small percentage of the population, a "good" match for a larger percentage, and an "OK" match for a larger percentage yet.

While the only reliable way to know which group you fit in will be based on your actual sleeping experience ... for those where the mattress isn't a "good enough" match (however they may experience or define this) then the return policy of an online choice can help reduce the risk of an online purchase to any costs involved in exchanging or returning it which are often free or minimal and lets you test the mattress in your bedroom instead of a showroom with little risk outside of the time you spend trying the mattress or returning/donating it (should that become necessary) or any costs involved in returning the mattress (if there are any) and starting all over again with choosing another mattress that will hopefully be a better "match" for you.

There is also more about the different ways to choose the most suitable mattress (locally and online) that can help you assess and minimize the risks involved of making a choice that isn't as suitable for you as you hoped for in post #2 here .

If you have tried a number of online mattresses and none of them have worked out well for you then it may be a good idea to try some local shopping instead so you can make more meaningful comparisons between many different mattresses in "real time" instead of trying mattresses "one at a time" over a much more extended period of time.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

Phoenix
11 Feb 2016 17:41
  • abbygrant
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I can't seem to find a mattress that works for me. I'm on my 3rd foam mattress, but still not happy. I am a side sleeper, female, about 135 lbs. My old mattress was a Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme. I loved that mattress but my husband said it was too hot.

We upgraded to a king sized bed and I started a mattress search in October. I didn't want to pay Tempurpedic's high price and also was concerned about the materials so I searched online for a foam mattress to replace our TempurCloud. First we tried the Best Mattress Ever in soft. I was convinced that I would love this mattress, but sadly I woke up every night with shoulder pain, upper back pain and my arms fell asleep and became numb, Also, my husband and I both started having lower back pain. The top layer felt very soft, but I felt like the layers underneath were too firm. I thought the mattress was too firm, but in hindsight maybe it was too soft. Now I'm not sure.

Our next mattress was the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Gel 13". Thankfully, I realized that my husband and I may have different mattress preferences so I ordered 2 twin XL's for a split king. My husband likes this mattress so he is still sleeping happily on his Dreamfoam Twin XL. I wanted to love mine, but after a few days I had very bad shoulder and upper back pain, lower back pain and my arms were falling asleep and going numb. This mattress felt much softer than the BME, but I had the same problems with both mattresses. I returned my Dreamfoam Ultimate dreams and started searching again.

During the next 2 weeks, I slept on my old Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme while I searched for a new mattress, I did not have the upper back pain, lower back pain or arms going numb problems. I noticed that I did have some shoulder pain, although it was not enough to wake me up. After much online research, I decided on a Bear Mattress. I slept great on the Bear for the first 2 nights. I've been sleeping on it now for about 2 weeks. It's a good mattress, but I'm still having some shoulder pain, a little upper back pain, and now I'm having a little hip and knee pain. I am very active and play tennis several times per week. I'm also still recovering from knee arthroscopy, so the knee pain could be from that, I feel like the Bear is OK but not quite right. It has a feel somewhat like my old TempurCloud, but I don't think that I sink into the Bear quite as much. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Am I not sinking in as much since the Bear is a 10" mattress and the TempurCloud is 12"?

I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm going to try the Bear for another week at least, but I find myself searching online again. I'm wondering if I should spend a little more money and buy an Alexander Signature or Loom & Leaf. I'm worried that if I don't like the Loom & Leaf I will lose another $99 (their delivery fee). I'm tired of playing musical beds. Has anyone else had problems finding the perfect mattress. Is it unrealistic to expect to wake up without any shoulder pain at all when I sleep on my side?

I have thought that part of the problem could be the pillow, but I think I have a good pillow. I ordered a Nest Bedding Easy Breather pillow and removed a little bit of the stuffing. I feel like my neck is in line when I lay on it so I don;t think that my pillow is the problem. I used to sleep on a water pillow and that worked great. But I got tired of the weight and worrying about water leaking out, so I spent $99 on the Easy Breather.
03 Feb 2016 17:09
  • amoney805
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Initially I was set on a foam mattress so I ended up going to a Temperpedic store and tried them all out. I soon realized that foam wasn't for me. I didn't like the zero bounce and push back that I was used to with my pillow top spring mattress. But then I tried the temperpedic flex and love the combination of support and slight bounce it offered as a hybrid but I didn't like the price. After tons of research I settled on the Alexander hybrid and I felt like it was reasonably priced especially after the sleepopolis discount.
Ive only slept on it one night but my initial impressions are good. Its definitely not a firm mattress. Id rate it a 5 out of 10. Definitely soft and comfortable but supportive at the same time. None of the tossing and turning that I was typically used to on my old mattress. I also don't have any of the complaints that some have as loose threads or indentations on the top layer in odd spots.
I paired it with the #bestpillow ever and love that too. My first experience with latex and its 1000x more comfortable than my old Joy Mangano memory foam/gel pillow I got from HSN. Ill update later after Ive had it for a few weeks.
25 Jan 2016 07:57
  • shadechick
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Hello! I need help!!! I'm STRUGGLING with picking a mattress that I can't try out.

We decided we needed a new mattress, and not knowing what firmness we needed/wanted cause we haven't mattress shopped before, we decided to go with the Leesa.com mattress because it's supposed to be a good fit for everyone. It's been less than a week since we've had it and we already have a mattress topper on it since it's way too firm for us. We decided we need to return it, as there's no way we can sleep on it for 30 days without a topper.

So off we went to a big mattress store just to LOOK and figure out what kind of firmness we wanted. We fell in love with the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe mattress, but there's no way we can afford that. I won't even talk about the D-Bag sales guy we had to deal with.

I get home and I start researching to find what mattress is the closest to the Cloud Luxe. I've come across 2 so far while researching.. DreamFoam, and Nest Alexander Soft. I feel like I've seen more reviews saying the DreamFoam is most like the Cloud Luxe. but other reviewers have said the material quality in the Nest is better than the DreamFoam. I'm just sitting here lost and unsure what to do. I have to return this Leesa, and I don't want to need to return another mattress, so I want to make the best decision possible. Any thoughts and expertise you can give me? I'm also kind of limited on time since I have to return the Leesa soon.

These are the exact two I mentioned:
www.nestbedding.com/products/the-alexander-signature-select-mattress (SOFT)
www.dreamfoambedding.com/product/ultimate-dreams-13-gel-memory-foam-mattress/
07 Dec 2015 12:18
  • phoenix
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Hi SleepyDan,

Have nerve compression and tingling with or without the latex toppers as I mentioned before. Not sure there's much difference 2" vs 3" except maybe how much time I have before it bottoms out. I think latex just doesn't agree with me.

Flipped Nature upside down and added memory foam topper plus cheap eggcrate pu foam topper. Eggcrate under --> got intolerable numbness by 230am. Eggcrate on top of mf--> less numbness but have tossing and turning throughout night, with muscle soreness around shoulder blades and lower rib margin in the morning.


While it's possible that you don't like the resilience or "springiness" of latex (which would be a preference issue) ... I would guess that the symptoms you are experiencing are more about the firmness and thickness of the layers in your mattress and topper and the overall design of your "sleeping system" and how well they "match" your body type and sleeping position than about latex itself.

Did you happen to try any of the suggestions in my previous reply?

It's also possible that your pillow could be contributing to upper body soreness as well (possibly in combination with the thickness and softness of your toppers).

At this point I'm ready to ditch the $4k latex bed, the two $200-300 latex toppers, and the nearly $200 memory foam topper and start over with a bed that is completely made. A 100 day full money back return policy is important at this point -- once burned twice shy. Leaning toward Nest Love Bed or Alexander at the moment, unless you have a different recommendation based on the experiences I've had so far. It seems that some of us don't match up well with latex, or maybe specifically Talalay latex. Would be nice to gather a database of people that have trouble with it (numbness, rubbery pressure, bounce, etc) and whether they ever end up finding something that works well. I like the idea of Helix gathering data and trying to make a custom bed, but wonder how well their algorithms really work. Simplicity seems more appealing at this point. I've read through your Bed in a Box discussion and appreciate all the info and summary, though it's pretty overwhelming to look at. I hope our next try will be on target and that we won't have to use the refund policy.


If I was in your shoes I would certainly do a little more experimentation with what you have available before buying another mattress.

I don't think a database would be particularly helpful because each person's "solution" would be unique to them and their own specific needs and preferences and there are many people that don't fit inside the "averages" of other people. A mattress that would be "perfect" for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... even if they have a similar body type, sleeping style, preferences, and circumstances.

Unfortunately there is no way for me to make specific suggestions or recommendations because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

If you do well on hotel beds in general then it may be worth considering an innerspring mattress (possibly a pocket coil) that uses good quality comfort layers in an appropriate type, thickness, and firmness because it may be closer to the type of mattress that you are familiar with and that your body is used to.

As you mentioned ... if you are uncertain whether a specific mattress will be suitable for you or you aren't confident that your testing in a showroom will predict your sleeping experience (or you are buying a mattress that you can't test before a purchase) then the exchange or return options can be one of the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase.

Phoenix
19 Nov 2015 13:23
  • BojackHorseman
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My wife and I just left Nest. We were helped by Harrison, who was very patient and walked us through at least half of the mattresses and platform beds in the store.

I was leaning towards either an Alexander Signature or Q3 Nest Bedding Latex Mattress , but my wife was very sold on The Love Bed and I had to admit that of all the beds we tried, The Love Bed gave me the best side support. The back support wasn't quite as strong for me as the Alexander, but since we have 100 days to exchange in case it becomes a problem, I felt okay giving The Love Bed a try for at least 30 days.

We had a really great shopping experience. I mentioned I found the place on The Mattress Underground and got $50 off the mattress and $25 off the delivery and setup. Harrison also pointed us to some Yelp coupons so we could save another $50 off of the easy breather pillows we wanted (I got latex, my wife got memory foam).

Now we're just waiting on delivery, which will probably be after Thanksgiving since the holiday will delay things, but we couldn't have had a better time. Harrison wasn't pushy at all, gave us sound advice even when we were going down in price, and was able to answer every technical question I threw at him. Just based on the buying experience, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Nest.

I'll update once the mattress and bed arrive and we try them out at home.
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