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17 Dec 2017 13:35
  • Sweet Dreams
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I do not work for anyone in the mattress industry, just a consumer who has become a bit 'mattress obsessed'! I don't have any first hand experience with the Nest Bedding protector I mentioned as a possibility for you to consider, just recalled that it has some cooling properties in its design objectives and is sold with a return option. I am also not familiar with the Prana mattress that you have, nor do I have any knowledge about the BedGear products or how they would compare to the Nest.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm sure that Phoenix will be better qualified to address some of your issues more specifically. I've heard that wool is used by some to provide a bit of comfort and a layer which can allow some air circulation for a cooling effect, but personally I find wool to be very hot to sleep on as it seems to reflect my body heat. So I avoid any wool products in my mattress covers or quilts, but everyone can have different reactions to various materials.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help to your specific issues and hope you're able to find a solution in short order!
17 Dec 2017 13:10
  • selder
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Hi Sweet Dreams, thank you very much for answering. Can you tell me what you think the difference is between the Nest Bedding protector that you recommend and the BedGear Vortex 6.0 for $250. Someone told me they used the Vortex 6 one, and it did not work at all after 3 hours.There is also a Vortex Dry tech 5.0 for $129. I bought another perhaps less good for $100 at Target. It worked for 2 hours, but is returnable.

I am sleeping with cotton sheets and few blankets in a cool climate, and I wake up freezing on top of my body and burning on the bottom of my body. The places where my body heats up has residual pain for about 4 hours into the morning. With more heat in the air it is unbearable.

Is there a way to cover the mattress with a barrier like many wool blankets (Ive tried 2 blankets) or use a DOWN mattress protector ? - a friend recommended that. But it seems to me the built-up heat with be "held" in by the down...

I am thinking of buying a new mattress if I can afford it. But I am afraid this will happen again. One salesman said the only inexpensive mattress besides Talalaly is to buy a cheap coil one with hardly any foam on it. (Old fashioned.) I like firm mattresses.

My new Prana Sky Firm one seems to be slightly soft on top.Are you familiar with the Prana Sky Firm? Do you work for Nest Bedding? Thank you for your immediate reply. I'm quite desperate and sleep deprived. BTW there was no miscommunication in the store. They asserted strongly that it was not a "hot" mattress. I asked multiple times, and they said it was Talalay...When I told them later how hot it was, they said that was "impossible" . Thanks so much for your interest and reply.
16 Dec 2017 21:24
  • selder
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Help. I am in terrible pain. I bought a "Prana Sleep Karma Sky Luxury Firm" at City Mattress. It supports me well, but after only 2-3 hours, my body actually hurts from the warmth. The whole mattress becomes warm to the touch. I have MS and the warmth makes me feel very sick. I was told there is no memory foam in it, and it would be cool. I was told in City Mattress that it is Talalay latex . The store said it " features a comfort layer of Everlast™ 400 and CertiPUR foams along with layers of PranaSleep Performance Talalay latex" . A salesman in another store looked up the stats and told me it's 11" of layers contain the following: 2" quilt layer,1"soft HD polyfoam, 1" Firm HD polyfoam, and the Comfort layer contains: 1" latex , and 1" 4 lb density Everlast cooling layer. So the latex is deep within the mattress. The mattress was represented to me as one that does not get hot. The salesman in other store, thought it odd that the latex was buried so deep. I was told in City Mattress that the mattress was talalay latex and did not generate the heat. I have tried a gel pad, a cotten pad, and 2 wool blankets all covering the mattress. Sometimes all of these together. Nothing works. I wake up feeling ill like I am sleeping on a heating pad. It makes my body ache for hours during the day, and my brain not function. I have not slept for weeks. Is there any product with which I can block the heat.? The mattress is worthless to me.

I bought it on sale as a previous store return, and thus cannot return it. It supports my bad back very well. Is there anything I can do? Thank you very much ahead of time for your suggestions. Frances
04 Sep 2017 14:43
  • phoenix
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Hi Napper,

That sounds like the Pranasleep Moon Plush. My one concern would be the total of 2” of 1.5 lb polyfoam in the quilt. It uses a larger tack and jump quilt pattern, and my concern would be 2” of the plush 1.5 lb poly in this configuration might lead to excessive softening/depressions in a shorter period of time as compared to the other componentry within the mattress, which is of a higher quality.

Phoenix
23 Jul 2017 04:59
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Hi Csj0952,

So I did a lot of trying out mattresses in the Rochester area for latex mattresses. I even took pictures of what I tried so I could see what my spine looked like if it makes a difference or not. Pics here


I can’t tell of your alignment from photos, as that could only truly be determined through noting actual landmarks and a true biomechanical strength, flexibility and preferred personal alignment. I would trust your initial impressions when trying out the products, and defer toward items that offer a firmer surface comfort because of your prone sleeping posture.

Between the two Nature’s Cloud mattresses the Firm would generally be analysis, and even this doesn’t take into account your level of muscular preferable to the Plush for your sleeping style. With the Pranasleep mattresses, you’d want to know all of the details about the layers inside for sake of comparison (type of latex and polyfoam in the quilt), and with the 3” in the quilt panel I could understand why you wouldn’t prefer this feel so much sleeping prone. Between the two Pure Talalay Bliss products (the Pamper is a 21 ILD for the upper 2” and 40 ILD for the support core), the Pamper would be much more appropriate for sleeping prone (The Beautiful doesn’t spec out with the 1” 50 ILD support stabilization base from PTB, so I don’t know if that is something the dealership had under the mattress or if you’re copying dated specifications, just FYI).

So bottom line is that i liked the firmness of the Prana Vinyasa 5 Plush, however I liked the "feel" of the Pure Talalay Pamper but it was just a bit too firm. They told me I could buy a 2 inch matress latex topper which would soften it but thats another $800.


You’d want to know about the polyfoam in the quilt of the Pranasleep and I would have a concern over time about that with your sleeping posture and alignment sinking in a bit too much over time. A better solution would be the Pamper, with the possibility to add a topper over time, but I would make some very careful value equations about paying $800.00 for a 2” Talalay topper, and perhaps check with some of the site members here if you needed to make a topper purchase.

So I'm wondering where to go from here. Should I try SleepEz or I was looking at ordering from Spindle Matress because it appears you can customize the feel a bit.....or should I take a chance on the Pure Talalay Bliss and they have a 1 year gaurantee if I keep it in a cover. I didn't mind the Jamestown matress but I felt I liked the springiness of talalay over dunlop, I also heard talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop and I really prize a cool sleep.

Wondering also If I should dig into spring matresses but I have heard latex is almost better in every way than springs except cost. Is there any reason to go springs rather than latex besides cost?


There certainly would be nothing wrong with the quality of the products from SleepEZ or Spindle (as you’re aware both are site members here and I think highly of them), but as you mentioned these would be products you’d be unable to try before purchasing, and that was a concern of yours. Both Talalay and Dunlop are quite breathable materials, but Talalay in general is more breathable than Dunlop.

As far as other things to try, it's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

Phoenix
22 Jul 2017 17:24
  • Csj0952
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So I did a lot of trying out mattresses in the Rochester area for latex mattresses. I even took pictures of what I tried so I could see what my spine looked like if it makes a difference or not. Pics here
imgur.com/a/nNBg0

First I went to Jamestown Matress and tried out Nature's Cloud Firm Latex

jamestownmattress.com/firm-latex-one-sided-natures-cloud-mattress-2/

Quilt – Top of Mattress
1 ounce 100% Natural Joma™ Wool
100% Organic Cotton Fabric
Comfort – Padding Layer
Thick Polyester Pad
3” 100% Natural Medium (ILD 24-26) Latex

Back Support System
6” 100% Natural Firm (ILD 36-38) Latex Core

Which i liked how flat it felt but it might have been a little too firm. Maybe not, it was tough to tell as I only tested it for 5 minutes.

Tried out the Nature's Cloud Plush as well which I felt was ok as well but maybe alittle too plush.
Quilt – Top of Mattress
1 ounce 100% Natural Joma™ Wool
Paladin® Inherent Fire Retardant Barrier
1 ounce 100% Natural Joma™ Wool
100% Organic Cotton Fabric

Comfort – Padding Layer
3” 100% Natural Super Soft (ILD 14-16) Latex
Back Support System
6” 100% Natural Medium (ILD 24-26) Latex Core

Then I went to City Matress and tried out some Prana Latex matresses.
I liked the Prana Vinyasa Plush which I liked slightly better than the Prana Super Vinyasa Luxury Firm. But I didn't like how I didn't feel like i was sleeping on top of the mattress as I did with the Pure Talalay bliss below.

ADMIN NOTE:Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint: citymattress.com/pranasleep-vinyasa-5-plush-mattress-set.html?setsize=queen
Ultra-luxurious Pranasleep mattress with Performance Talalay Latex to provide the perfect balance of support and pressure-relieving comfort
6” PranaSleep® Performance Talalay Latex Core
2” PranaSleep® Performance Talalay Latex Comfort Layer
3” PranaSleep UltraQuilt® with Outlast®

www.citymattress.com/pranasleep-super-vinyasa-5-luxury-firm-mattress-set.html?setsize=queen
Ultra-luxurious Pranasleep mattress with Performance Talalay Latex to provide the perfect balance of support and pressure-relieving comfort
6” PranaSleep® Performance Talalay Latex Core
3” PranaSleep® Performance Talalay Latex Comfort Layer
3” PranaSleep UltraQuilt® with Outlast®

Went to Metro Matress and tried the pure talalay bliss matresses which I really liked that they were flat top and you feel like sleeping on top of the matress which I like rather than sinking in.

Tried the Beautiful:
Specifications Beautiful
Latex BLISS uses 450-480 Gram Weight fabric
Latex BLISS Milliken's Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
3" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
2" Natural Talalay Latex 24 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex 36 ILD
1" Support Stabilization Base @50 ILD Firm Talalay latex

Didn't like the beautiful cause I felt it was too plush.

Per Pheonix:
The "new" version of the Pamper is as follows:
2" Talalay GL fast response on top (I'm guessing 21 ILD and they call this Active Fusion fast response)
6" of Talalay latex (I'm guessing this would also be 40 ILD)

I liked this matress but it felt possibly a bit too firm. I may have to try it a bit more.


So bottom line is that i liked the firmness of the Prana Vinyasa 5 Plush, however I liked the "feel" of the Pure Talalay Pamper but it was just a bit too firm. They told me I could buy a 2 inch matress latex topper which would soften it but thats another $800.

So I'm wondering where to go from here. Should I try SleepEz or I was looking at ordering from Spindle Matress because it appears you can customize the feel a bit.....or should I take a chance on the Pure Talalay Bliss and they have a 1 year gaurantee if I keep it in a cover. I didn't mind the Jamestown matress but I felt I liked the springiness of talalay over dunlop, I also heard talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop and I really prize a cool sleep.

Wondering also If I should dig into spring matresses but I have heard latex is almost better in every way than springs except cost. Is there any reason to go springs rather than latex besides cost?
07 Jun 2017 12:21
  • mattski
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Ok, here is an update after our layer exchange with SleepEZ. The bed is now as close to perfect for both of us as we could hope for. We both are sleeping better than ever. Yay! :-)

SleepEZ was very easy to work with on the layer exchange. The hardest part of the layer exchange was rolling up the return layers to get them in the box!

Wife and I are both side sleepers. Me 6'1" 200 lbs, Her 5'7" 130 lbs. We both prefer a firm bed but don't want it too "hard" in that it creates pressure points.

We now have the following layers:
Me - Her
Med - Med (Organic Talalay)
Firm - Med (Organic Dupont)
Firm - Firm (Organic Dupont)

The bed is as comfortable as the comparable Prana ands SavvyRest beds we tried, but was less than 1/2 the cost! That is thousands less $$$

Thanks again Phoenix for the great site and helping educate us consumers with helpful and unbiased resources.
Matt
08 May 2017 15:14
  • Garioo
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Hi Phoenix,

Thank you for the in depth reply, it's greatly appreciated. We are located in South Florida like I said, and the zip code is 33486. Where are you located?

The City Mattress PranaSleep Latex I'd made in Florida and he had brick and mortar all over and is one of the largest media advertisers which I don't care for. I only know of one local mfg Blu Sleep, but not sure of the quality. Any names or reccomendations would be appreciated. Regards, Gary
08 May 2017 14:14
  • phoenix
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Hi Garioo,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

I just became aware of your site and just recently started looking for a replacement King mattress due to severe back issues is the short story. We haven't shopped for one in 10 years. We are located in South Florida.


If you provide me your zip code, I can see if I am aware of any better local options for you.

We currently have been to Mattress Firm, pushing the Icomfort firm foam by Serta. Went to City Mattress and we liked their brand of Latex called Prana Sleep until we read reviews, plus the cost was VERY expensive for the twin XL to make a king with adjustable remote, and firming slates under neath. We only looked at 1 Temerpedic, but those reviews weren't that good either. Haven't looked at the Sleep Number, but that also got many poor reviews, especially for my condition.


The major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here ).

Regarding reviews, I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

We saw a site slumbersearch. This site showed the top mattresses for Osteoporosis that showed brands only sold online which we won''t do( Sapira, Bear, Nector, Herobed, WinkbedLoom & Leaf, Urban, Leesa, etc) . I've read stay away from that anyway.


There are some review sites that amalgamate mattress reviews from all around the internet (such as slumbersearch) and then "rate" mattresses (and other products) based on these amalgamated reviews. Reviews are the least reliable manner to select a mattress, generally taking very short term opinions from consumers who aren’t in a position to render an educated analysis of the componentry within a product. For the most part (with only few exceptions) mattress reviews are a classic example of garbage in / garbage out even though the "garbage" may be well meaning and true to the experience of the person writing the review. Sites like the one you mentioned and many other similar so called "review sites" are really just revenue sites that know little about mattresses or mattress materials, as I discuss in post #11 here and in posts #4 and #6 here .

So do we go Foam, Latex, Hybrid, conventional? Any guidance input would be appreciated.


While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see post #2 here ).

I would tell you to "reset" how you're looking for a mattress, and start your research by reading the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or whether it will be a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress ... outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

In its simplest form ... choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
08 May 2017 10:50
  • Garioo
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Hello Phoenix,
I just became aware of your site and just recently started looking for a replacement King mattress due to severe back issues is the short story. We haven't shopped for one in 10 years. We are located in South Florida. I don't know where you are located. We currently have been to Mattress Firm, pushing the Icomfort firm foam by Serta. Went to City Mattress and we liked their brand of Latex called Prana Sleep until we read reviews, plus the cost was VERY expensive for the twin XL to make a king with adjustable remote, and firming slates under neath. We only looked at 1 Temerpedic, but those reviews weren't that good either. Haven't looked at the Sleep Number, but that also got many poor reviews, especially for my condition. I know I need something ASAP, but want to get as informed as possible. We saw a site slumbersearch. This site showed the top mattresses for Osteoporosis that showed brands only sold online which we won''t do( Sapira, Bear, Nector, Herobed, WinkbedLoom & Leaf, Urban, Leesa, etc) . I've read stay away from that anyway. I also saw you said the top 5 Mfg to AVOID. So do we go Foam, Latex, Hybrid, conventional? Any guidance input would be appreciated. Thank you
20 Apr 2017 12:21
  • phoenix
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Hi forrest,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

This website is quite amazing and I have recommended it to several friends after discovering it myself.


Thank you for the compliment and your very entertaining post!

Nevertheless, all of the information has left me sleepless and confused.
The problem is that knowing more (and after spending time on your site I surely know more about mattresses than most mortals) I find I am only more dismayed about pulling the plug and making a purchase.


I'm assuming that you've read the mattress shopping tutorial here . I suggest reading it as you would a good book, referring to it and not attempting to memorize things.

To make things easier, in its simplest form, choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight/BMI range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress (see the durability guidelines here ).

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

The Prana ASANA 6.2 with lo rise European foundation felt sublime, I must say, but the price is $3,000. (Yes, I know, that will be amortized over many many years, with luck.) And I have read here that people have experienced rather quick loss of integrity in their Prana beds.


I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase. This mattress uses a 6” polyfoam core, on top of which is 2” of Talalay latex and the 3” of polyfoam quilted to the ticking. Unfortunately neither City Mattress nor PranaSleep provide the density of these polyfoams or the blend of their Talalay latex on their web sites, so you’d want to inquire about those layers before making a decision.

I also have been looking at Charles P. Rogers Powercore Estate 9000 Plush or Extra Plush


Like the PranaSleep, the complete specifications are incomplete about the Charles P. Rogers mattress, so I would phone them to see if they would provide for you that information about the mattresses you are considering. You can read some of my comments about Charles P. Rogers mattresses here . They do use some good quality componentry but you would need complete specifications in order to make an informed decision.

I also spoke to Nature's Rest which now sells direct and ships free. With a discount, their top of line Organic Latex in Luxury Firm naturesrest.com/products/natures-rest-organics-all-latex-mattress?variant=27463871041 is about $3,250 with custom lo rise foundation.


This would most likely be the closest to your current mattress (I don’t know the exact makeup of your 18.5 year old mattress but I’m assuming it would be mostly latex), and it is available in many different firmnesses, using all Talalay latex layers, which would be a good quality and durable material. One thing to note is that while shipping is listed as “free’, it is actually a cost that is already bundled into the overall price for your mattress.

Don't the Japanese just use mats on the floor? It is beginning to seem a fine idea...


You may be referring to a “futon”, which originally referred to the “makura” (pillow) in a traditional Japanese sleep system that consisted of the “shike” (bottom futon) and the “kake” (top futon). More “Western-style” mattresses are being purchased in Japan, but like most Asian countries, a firmer style of mattress / sleep system is most popular.

One thing I have noticed here is that you’ve stated that you want a “firm” mattress, but two of the three products you’ve mentioned are classified as “plush”. While terms for assessing the comfort of a mattress are subjective, it may be beneficial for you to stay closer to home for your purchase so that you may properly assess anything you’re considering and attempt to approximate the feel of your old mattress (when it was newer, of course), and also be able to arrange the level of service you desire for your delivery and set up.

One of the advantages of trying mattresses locally is that you can try many different types and styles and combinations of materials and components and firmness levels and compare them to each other in "real time" based on your actual experience rather than just "theory" instead of trying one online mattress at a time and not knowing how it compares to the other mattresses that you could have tried or purchased instead.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Port Charlotte, Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples, FL. areas (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here . From that list, I would check with the factory direct manufacturers to see what they might be able to offer in a “firmer” mattress and specifically in latex. In the retail listing, Naples Mattress, Lenny’s Furniture, and Mike’s Mattress all show that they offer all-latex mattresses.

I hope that information is helpful to you and provides you enough options to do the personal testing and receive the localized White Glove service that you desire.

Phoenix
20 Apr 2017 04:40
  • forrest
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This website is quite amazing and I have recommended it to several friends after discovering it myself. Nevertheless, all of the information has left me sleepless and confused.
The problem is that knowing more (and after spending time on your site I surely know more about mattresses than most mortals) I find I am only more dismayed about pulling the plug and making a purchase. And purchase I must as an independent, double-blind study with one participant (me) has determined that yes, indeed, it is my 18.5 year old Nature’s Rest mattress that needs to be retired as I have been waking with worse and worse lower back pain–– nearly spasms––which does NOT happen when I sleep on the much newer guest bed, also a Nature's Rest. I have the most important guest ever, my son, arriving in a few weeks and so need to pull the plug and replace my own bed so HE can sleep on his beloved bed.
I have a Queen Sleigh Bed that requires a lo-rise foundation. I want a firm mattress. I am about 5’5” and 118 pounds, sleeping alone unless and until Lancelot rides in on a white horse.
At the suggestion of friends I went to a nearby store, a local chain called City Mattress here in Naples, Florida. (No I am not a Floridian...a New Englander who somehow ended up here, aka Mars.) The salesperson was incredibly knowledgeable and really took time to listen to my wants (very firm but cozy bed) as well as asking questions about my former bed, etc. Armed with this information, she pointed me toward a few choices and I did the silly seeming stretch-out and pretend I am going to go to sleep on several beds. The Prana ASANA 6.2 with lo rise European foundation felt sublime, I must say, but the price is $3,000. (Yes, I know, that will be amortized over many many years, with luck.) And I have read here that people have experienced rather quick loss of integrity in their Prana beds.
I also have been looking at Charles P. Rogers Powercore Estate 9000 Plush or Extra Plush www.charlesprogers.com/powercore-estate-p-580.html?cPath=4_290 which would come in at about $2,450—and I will have to wait several weeks to arrive here. But shipping from NYC is free. I also spoke to Nature's Rest which now sells direct and ships free. With a discount, their top of line Organic Latex in Luxury Firm naturesrest.com/products/natures-rest-organics-all-latex-mattress?variant=27463871041 is about $3,250 with custom lo rise foundation.
Don't the Japanese just use mats on the floor? It is beginning to seem a fine idea...
While I did go through your list of member companies, many are “foam” mattresses, others don’t offer the lo rise foundations or don’t ship. And some simply confused me with the choice of “ingredients” that they zip into a bag. I need this mattress to be brought into my house and for it to be set up for me. The idea of wrestling with some unfolding hunks of foam (might I be smothered...found days later? Woman found dead after wrestling with foam bedding...) or building the foundation myself ("It's easy....just watch the short YouTube video") does not work. I want the whole white glove thing.
So, oh wise ones here at The Mattress Underground, I remain tossing and turning in Naples, Florida awaiting counsel.
13 Apr 2017 20:10
  • phoenix
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Hi dpastor,

So, the question is - are there any fantastic beds that aren't more highly recommended because they are overpriced?


There’s a bit more about "ultra premium" (I.e., more expensive) mattresses in post #2 here and post #2 here and post #2 here . Most of them will have dealer locators located on their web sites. There are also some "super premium" mattresses that use innersprings and natural fibers in their construction ... some of which can go well into mid 5 figures. These include manufacturers such as VI Springs ... Hastens ... Savoir ... Relyon ... and Hypnos.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the New York City are listed in post #2 here . Some of these retailers offer mattresses in the “ultra premium” range that you asked about. I don’t normally list retailers who only offer very high priced items on these lists, as they don’t usually represent the best values, so you’ll have to perform specific searches for any of the “ultra premium” brands on the web sites I linked to previously.

Phoenix
16 Mar 2017 12:10
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Hi hersplash,

I went back and tried the Prana Super Vinyasa 5 Super Plush again. The salesman was not very forthcoming on the layers, but after a drilling here is what I found from 2 different visits. (Might not be in correct order)
Mattress 12.5-13" tall
6" latex core, then 3" layers of latex.
Latex is 55% blend, 45% synthetic material
Also said Radium 100%
Then thin layer, looked like under .5", of wood pulp material
Ticking is Outlast Poly Rayon
3" of 2.5 lb Poly, but also said 1.5" Poly Euro foam synthetic
I'm sure you can make sense of this. It still felt good and I actually took a good 45min nap in the store. Woke up ok but dazed and confused as you can imagine!

From the information you provided, it seems as if they are sourcing their latex from Radium in the Netherlands, which means it would be Talalay (which is confirmed on the Prana web site). The blend of 45% SBR (synthetic)/55% NR (natural) doesn’t make sense. Radium’s blended Talalay is 70% SBR / 30% NR. Prana says on their web site that their latex is proprietary and has three times the amount of natural latex as the “normal” Talalay, which in this case would mean that their Talalay would be 100% NR, which is what I had previously thought they used. Regardless, the 6” Talalay core and the 3” Talalay latex on top of that would be a good quality and durable material. On top of this is placed a 3” polyfoam quilt panel, which you say they list as a 2.5 lb. density, which would be a good durable material. I’m not sure of the second “1.5” Poly Euro foam synthetic”, but an educated guess would be that the 3” quilt panel is comprised of two 1.5” pieces of poly foam. The .5” of wood pulp material is the cellulose used for the viscose dope for making the synthetic fibers used in combination with silica for the inherent non-toxic flame retardant barrier. Overall, the material you listed would be good quality and there would be no “weak links” in this mattress.

I also did like the Tempur-pedic Contour Rhapsody Luxe. It is definitely firmer. I was thinking it would soften somewhat. However, I really do use my heating pad behind my back a lot and even with a towel I don't want to cause problems. But I was late after my nap and didn't get the materials for the Contour. If I don't make it in this week I will just call them and hope they spill the details.

The Tempurpedic Contour Rhapsody Luxe uses two 4.75” polyfoam Airflow base layers that are each 2.0 lb. density. Above this is placed a 2” of the Tempur memory foam at 5.3 lb., and on top of this is placed 2” of the Tempur-HD memory foam at 7.1 lb. density. The materials used in this mattress are good quality, and as you have a store credit, certainly would be something worth considering. Normally, I would advise that one make a careful value comparison on this item, as it is in a higher budget range for the componentry used.

One other note. I read a recent post about the adjustable bed and not wanting the materials to bunch up. That's a concern, as it was a big problem in my current Prana. What I discovered is the company gave me a free thick bamboo mattress pad that I used, and over time it really stretched out. Bad news! So for 2 years I had even bigger lumps until I realized it was the cover that caused most of the problems. After that, my thin cotton/nylon? blend has been better

It would be normal for mattress pads like the one you described to stretch out a bit over time, and thicker mattress pads and thicker quilt panels (like what the Prana uses) may be a bit noticeable with creases as you bend up and down, but these are rarely a cause for discomfort, especially with the type of ticking used in both the Prana and the Tempurpedic you’re considering. The slight “bunching” of material you’d witness with these items bending up and down isn’t permanent, and combined with the point elasticity of the foams under the covering, are generally allowed to “bend in” to the mattress so as to be unnoticeable in most applications when you lie upon the mattress, especially if you start from the flat positon and adjust from there (as most adjustable bed manufacturers recommend).

Also, can I be nosy and ask how you became such a good writer? You are so clear and thorough that I wondered if were a writer too before you began this great site

Thank you for your fine compliment. Writing has always been a passion, and I apricate your kind words. OU can learn a bit more about Phoenix here .

I’ll be interested in learning about your final selection for exchange.

Phoenix
15 Mar 2017 17:17
  • hersplash
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Hi again. Thanks for all of the links. I had read a hundred posts last year before I knew they would take my mattress back--got myself ready for one of your companies. Anyway, here we are. I went back and tried the Prana Super Vinyasa 5 Super Plush again. The salesman was not very forthcoming on the layers, but after a drilling here is what I found from 2 different visits. (Might not be in correct order)
Mattress 12.5-13" tall
6" latex core, then 3" layers of latex.
Latex is 55% blend, 45% synthetic material
Also said Radium 100%
Then thin layer, looked like under .5", of wood pulp material
Ticking is Outlast Poly Rayon
3" of 2.5 lb Poly, but also said 1.5" Poly Euro foam synthetic

I'm sure you can make sense of this. It still felt good and I actually took a good 45min nap in the store. Woke up ok but dazed and confused as you can imagine!

I also did like the Tempur-pedic Contour Rhapsody Luxe. It is definitely firmer. I was thinking it would soften somewhat. However, I really do use my heating pad behind my back a lot and even with a towel I don't want to cause problems. But I was late after my nap and didn't get the materials for the Contour. If I don't make it in this week I will just call them and hope they spill the details. But regardless, I think I'm leaning towards the Prana.

One other note. I read a recent post about the adjustable bed and not wanting the materials to bunch up. That's a concern, as it was a big problem in my current Prana. What I discovered is the company gave me a free thick bamboo mattress pad that I used, and over time it really stretched out. Bad news! So for 2 years I had even bigger lumps until I realized it was the cover that caused most of the problems. After that, my thin cotton/nylon? blend has been better. Now I just have the regular body impressions from sitting up, comforter falling and bunching, and some of the top bedding bunched initially but went the other way after time..

Also, can I be nosy and ask how you became such a good writer? You are so clear and thorough that I wondered if were a writer too before you began this great site. Finally, can you spill if you are a male or a female, or is it a secret? I love the name but it could go both ways. Just curious as I feel I've come to know you from afar after a year. Thanks Phoenix for everything.
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