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21 May 2020 13:26
  • Sensei
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Hey quix,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks joining in and for your question.

In January, my 30 year old mattress finally kicked the bucket…I'm a 30 y/o female (about 5'7, 180lb), and my parents got it when I was born. I loved that thing, and when they were sick of it after about ten years, I gladly took it off their hands for the next 20 years. It was just a big firm mattress with a layer of egg shell foam on it just so I couldn't feel the rough top.


I totally get the attachment of a family "legacy" mattress, definitely one of the hardest things to say 'goodbye' to when the time comes…but at 30 years old…wow, it really served you well ;) . As the experience with your first purchase isn't part of your question, I'll skip over to the second purchase details:

I really liked the Pranasleep Peace Plush (old school innerspring, "Everlast" foam, quilted top). It felt more like a traditional mattress and was cozy to boot. Plus it was cheaper than the other thing that betrayed me so that helped lessen the blow. I've had it over 2 months now with a 90 day exchange, and I do REALLY like the bed, but I'm starting to have pain again in my back and nerves in my hip and I just don't think it's supportive enough. Comfortable, but not supportive. I end up sleeping in weird positions and feeling tense all through the night. My upper body has felt great, and my posture's been great on the softer bed, but my back once again hates me…I went today by appointment to try and find an alternative even though I can't exchange yet.


Congrats on your new Pranasleep mattress :) ! Sounds like from your description that it's "old school innerspring" design, quilted top, etc. aligns more with your comfort preferences from your first mattress experience. Sorry to hear that you're starting to have a return of back and hip discomfort, that has got to be both frustrating and disappointing. It is good, however, that you have given the new mattress the recommended two months' sleep adjustment period and have comfort exchange time remaining to make a final decision.

The one I liked best was the Pranasleep Bryant Firm. Which is supposedly all talalay latex with a quilted foam top. It felt weird at first laying down, but after being on it for a few minutes, felt like I wasn't laying on much at all. A little harder on the shoulder than the plush beds I've been trying the past couple months but not bad (and I assume breaking in/body impression will take any edge off of that?). I don't care about bounciness or motion transfer - I sleep alone and tend to/like to move frequently through the night without disturbing my sleep.


As you are most familiar a traditional innerspring mattress and this still being one of your first (or third, lol) mattress purchases, I would encourage a review of several Phoenix articles such as "The Basic Functions of a Mattress" , "Mattress Support Cores" , "Mattress Comfort Layers" , and especially of interest to you, "Your Sleeping Style, Preferences and Statistics" . These will provide some useful insights for consideration before making your final exchange.

I guess my questions are: If anyone can explain if the bed seems like a good alternative for the price point, and also if it would be a better option for someone prone to stomach sleeping?


I checked online to research the specs of the Bryant Firm but did not see it featured on Pranasleep's web site, not particularly unusual as manufacturers often provide product exclusives for retailers. But content/ fabrication information gives insights to a mattress's durability and quality, you can read more on that in Phoenix's article "Mattress Durability Guidelines- How Long Will a Mattress Last" and you can use the discussion list for a conversation with your retailer to get those important details. Looking forward to hearing how the next visit goes… :)

Thanks,
Sensei
20 May 2020 16:01
  • quix
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I am in desperate need of some opinions, because I'm at my wits end, and so far my own first impressions have backfired. So where do I even begin? (Sorry this is going to be long, strap in.)

In January, my 30 year old mattress finally kicked the bucket. To put this in perspective, I'm a 30 y/o female (about 5'7, 180lb), and my parents got it when I was born. I loved that thing, and when they were sick of it after about ten years, I gladly took it off their hands for the next 20 years. It was just a big firm mattress with a layer of egg shell foam on it just so I couldn't feel the rough top.

Out of desperation I stopped at a local chain retailer and after probably 3 hours bought a Sealy Roseway Plush and an adjustable base. Silly me buying a eurotop when I wanted a firm bed. A week later I felt like I was sleeping in a hammock and called in for my comfort exchange. Ended up getting a Therapedic luxury plush with gel foam/pocket coils after much convincing from the only friendly manager I could find willing to even talk to me after I said the word "exchange." It felt great for about 3 weeks... adjustment aches and all. Then my hips were caving into a crater, and nothing else seemed to be molding to my body at all. I'd feel like I couldn't move, roll over, wait for the bed to spring back up, and sleep terribly. Started waking up with horrible lower back pain that my gut was telling me was not adjustment aches anymore and it only got worse. I understand and expect some discomfort on a new mattress, especially after having the other one most of my life, but this just felt wrong, and I had not/still have not been doing anything that leads me to believe the discomfort is anything but the mattresses I'm sleeping on.

Well, now I'm stuck with a $1500 mattress I can't sleep on. So I accepted I'll have to try and get a portion of my money back by trying to sell it and eat the rest of the cost.

Went to another retailer. Ended up deciding I really liked the Pranasleep Peace Plush (old school innerspring, "Everlast" foam, quilted top). It felt more like a traditional mattress and was cozy to boot. Plus it was cheaper than the other thing that betrayed me so that helped lessen the blow. I've had it over 2 months now with a 90 day exchange, and I do REALLY like the bed, but I'm starting to have pain again in my back and nerves in my hip and I just don't think it's supportive enough. Comfortable, but not supportive. I end up sleeping in weird positions and feeling tense all through the night. My upper body has felt great, and my posture's been great on the softer bed, but my back once again hates me. It also sleeps hot unless I have my Bedgear cooling protector on it which firms it up some but isn't the most comfortable thing ever (I tried a thinner cover but without the cooling effect I was dying and it didn't have a lot of give on the soft mattress... felt kind of like sleeping on a cot instead of the bed).

I went today by appointment to try and find an alternative even though I can't exchange yet. There were two I was looking at, but I'm leaning towards another Prana because I do like how they're constructed and the general feel of them. The salesman was lobbying for a Sterns and Foster Rockwell Luxury Firm, and it's comfortable, but it reminded me a little too much of the Therapedic.

The one I liked best was the Pranasleep Bryant Firm. Which is supposedly all talalay latex with a quilted foam top. It felt weird at first laying down, but after being on it for a few minutes, felt like I wasn't laying on much at all. A little harder on the shoulder than the plush beds I've been trying the past couple months but not bad (and I assume breaking in/body impression will take any edge off of that?). I don't care about bounciness or motion transfer - I sleep alone and tend to/like to move frequently through the night without disturbing my sleep.

My struggle is not knowing much from personal or word of mouth experience about latex beyond what I read online and what the salesmen pitch, and not knowing much about the particular model as their information isn't the most detailed even asking the company itself and there are zero reviews for that particular bed. Also that I keep being told my sleeping position I was so used to on my good ole hunk of 30 year old bed was horrible and I should use a softer mattress, but that's clearly not been going well (I tend to sleep at a weird half side/half stomach angle but it's always worked for me). The mattress is also double the cost of the one I currently have, and with as much discomfort I'm currently in, I'm paranoid I'll do the one time exchange and get stuck with something I end up hating even more and then be out more money than I'd spent before.

I guess my questions are: If anyone can explain if the bed seems like a good alternative for the price point, and also if it would be a better option for someone prone to stomach sleeping?

tl;dr series of too soft/not suppotive/possibly just bad beds and only have so much money will latex be better for me pls halp thanks :(
20 Nov 2019 12:27
  • SadieK
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I love this site and all of the info! The only problem is I've read so much info that now I'm struggling to find the right mattress setup for us and I've become a bit frustrated. Or I should say my partner is getting frustrated. It feels like we are living in a mattress store with the three mattresses we are testing in our apartment! :)

I recently moved in with my partner and she was sleeping on a 15 year old mattress that was compressed/sagging in the middle and on a homemade platform bed that was also sagging in the middle. She made due with it by just sleeping in the middle. Once I moved in, the sagging bed had to go, so we started sleeping on an air mattress while we shopped for a mattress. I knew I wanted something as natural and chemical free as possible, and I had a latex topper in the past that I liked, so we've focused on latex. I also started reading this forum and learned all I could.

We first tried the Pranasleep Organics models at City Mattress. My partner is 5'7" 200 pounds, I am 5'6" 130 pounds. We are both side sleepers and occasional back sleepers. She has some back pain, I have an old shoulder injury. In the store, she loved the plushest model (Super Hatha), I preferred the model more in the medium to plush range (Hatha) or even better a cushion firm (Bhakti) We also both liked the hybrid (Earth in plush). These were all out of our price range, but we wanted to get a feel for latex. We tried each one for at least 20 minutes. I learned that she definitely prefers the plushest possible, however, she was also comfortable on anything I liked. I also suspect that trying out the plushest in the store would be different than sleeping on it every night, so she may not want as ultra plush as she thinks she does. A week later we were at a furniture store and tried a Beautyrest Black just for the heck of it. We had been sleeping on an air mattress for a week, and the Beautyrest felt so amazing and we were so sleep deprived, we were very tempted to just buy it. But I knew that wasn't what I really wanted and wasn't the best value.

We went home and decided to order two bed in a boxes: the Brentwood Home Oceano (even though we both hate memory foam, we thought we'd try it, since the Beautyrest Black had felt nice) and the Brooklyn Bedding Bloom Hybrid (soft). We received the Bloom Hybrid first. It was fairly comfortable for both of us, though I had shoulder pain and didn't feel like it was very pressure relieving. The Oceano arrived a week later, so we changed to that one. We weren't too impressed with the Oceano. It looks beautiful, but didn't feel that plush. I'm also very sensitive to temperature and it slept hot and gave me nightmares. The biggest thing that bothered us is that it smells like chemicals and paint. Even the cat won't sleep on it. So after a few days we switched back to the Bloom, which after the Oceano, felt pretty comfortable and my shoulder no longer hurt. But we still didn't feel like the Bloom was quite right.

Next we went to a store that carries Pure Talalay Bliss and fell in love with the Beautiful. It was more than we wanted to spend and I had some concerns: layers are glued together so they can't be changed, cover has polyester, top layer of talalay is pretty soft and may not hold up as well, price is high and not the best value. My other concern is that if it didn't work for us and we needed to return it, we'd be stuck picking something else from that store and they didn't have anything else we would want.

I found Sleep EZ on here, so I contacted them and spoke with Ramon, who was very helpful. Based on what we had liked in the stores, he recommended a 9" all talalay mattress (firm-med-med) with a separate 3" talalay topper (soft). The mattress and the topper would each have a stretch cotton cover. We received it 2 days ago and it was packaged very well. I did have an issue with the mattress cover because when I ordered, I had confirmed that the covers on the topper and the mattress would match, but they didn't. The mattress cover is quite thin (can see the holes of the talalay through it) but the topper cover is nicer, thicker, and not see through. The mattress cover also had a small hole in it near the zipper. I contacted Sleep EZ and the returns specialist Roger explained the covers do not match and he was sorry for the misunderstanding. He is sending me the organic cotton/wool cover for the mattress instead, which he thinks I'll like better.

Last night was our first night trying the Sleep EZ, so we aren't really sure about it yet. For me it slept quite hot, similar to the Oceano, so I was bummed about that. The Bloom Hybrid never felt hot to me. I don't know if it's because the Bloom has coils and more air flow? Maybe solid latex won't work for me? My partner feels that the Sleep EZ is too firm and prefers the Bloom. I explained to her that it should soften over time. It would seem that we should just go with the Bloom, but its not that simple. After researching more, I'd really prefer to have an all latex mattress instead of a hybrid. I like that the Sleep EZ is natural talalay, as I want our mattress as natural as possible (the Bloom is blended. Does blended talalay sleep cooler than natural talalay?). I like that we can change out layers in the Sleep EZ in the future. I like being able to see and know what's in my mattress.

Sleeping hot is a deal breaker for me, so I really want to figure out how to make the Sleep EZ sleep cooler and give it a fair try. We have 100% organic cotton percale sheets. I ordered a St. Dormier wool mattress protector, though I think it will be thin and I'm not sure the small amount of wool will help with the heat. I thought about seeing if I could change out the stretch cover on the topper for the cotton/wool cover to see if the inch of wool would help (the Bloom has an inch of wool in their cover, and slept so cool and comfy for me), but I'm not sure if Sleep EZ will let me swap covers on the topper. And if I change the cover I'm worried it will make the topper feel firmer when my partner already thinks its too firm. I know we were trying to replicate the feeling of the Beautiful by using the stretchy cover, but if that makes it too hot, that won't work for me. The Pranasleep Hatha didn't have a stretchy cover (not sure what it was made of) but it still felt nice and plush, as does the Bloom.

Also, right now the mattress is on the floor. Maybe that would make it feel warmer and firmer? I had ordered a bed from the furniture store but then cancelled it when I realized it was made from a softer wood and particle board. I'm ordering a custom solid hardwood bed frame with center support but it won't arrive for almost a month. Unfortunately, that will be at the end of my 30 day comfort trial with Sleep EZ, so I won't be able to do a free exchange if the mattress feels significantly different once it's on a bed. I imagine it will feel softer on a bed frame with slats than it does on the floor? If I had known I'd be waiting so long for the bed, I would have waited to order the Sleep EZ so that it would be on a frame during the 30 day trial.

I thought we were on the right track with all the info on Mattress Underground, but we haven't found the right combination yet, and aren't really sure what to do next.
08 Sep 2019 06:23
  • Sensei
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Hey llamaduck,

Welcome to the mattress forum :). Just a couple of quick thoughts on your last post.

've read on this site that having >1" of low density foam in the quilting is not good for durability so I'm concerned that both of these mattresses have that. But I'm stuck getting something from Jordan's since I am able to exchange the mattress after 30 days. Does any have any feedback on my concerns?



Actually this issue is a little misleading, as from a very general standpoint, the "foam" has better durability than the traditional quilting materials, like polyester or polyester fiber blends. Although the Prana mattresses are quite expensive, I have had some experience with seeing their quality manufacturing, and the Prana quite package will have very good durability, and I do not think this will be a weak link.

I ordered a 1" soft latex topper to try on top of the new mattress (Henry David Plush) from sleep on latex. I tried that out and it was too soft, felt comfortable but I woke up with a very sore lower back and could feel my hips not as supported. So now I am also concerned the Thoreau mattress might be too soft even though it felt good in the show room. I'm really scared to not choose the right mattress the second time around...



IMO don't compare your sleeping experience with the SOL topper on the Henry David to the extra 1" Talalay in the Thoreau, it is a completely different mattress when comfort layers are used as a part of the full mattress....adding a topper does not replicate what you felt in the store. The SOL topper is a great product but I think you should trust your judgment on the plusher Prana mattresses you have since tried, you are doing all the good work to get what will work for you. Yes, the 30-day return is tight but I think you are on the right track, with some understood anxiety of course.

Let us know if you have any other questions.

Sensei
30 Aug 2019 05:39
  • llamaduck
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Thanks for your feedback and ideas. I did go back to Jordan's and tried again the same mattress I had purchased - it also felt too firm in the store, not incredibly uncomfortable but I felt the same pain in my shoulder on my side. I tried a few others and the ones I seemed to like were:

Pranasleep Thoreau super plush
Quilt: MicroModel yarn with silk cover
FR Fibers
.75" Poly foam 1.35LB
1" Poly foam 1.35LB
Comfort Layers: 2" Soft Talalay Latex
2" Medium Talalay Latex
Support System: 6" Talalay Latex Core 32ILD

Pranasleep Sky Super Plush
Quilt: 100% Polyester cover
FR Fibers
3/4" Super Soft HD Foam 2.5LB
2" Soft HD foam 1.5LB
Comfort Layers: 2" Soft PranaSleep Performance Latex
1" Everlast foam - 3.75LB density
Support System: Individually Wrapped Coil Design
Patented Wall Wrap for Max Flex
15 Gauge steel with 13.75 gauge edge
Twice Tempered Steel
T/480 F/690 Q/832 K/1056
BOTTOM UPHOLSTERY (Below Innerspring)
1" density foam 1.45LB

I've read on this site that having >1" of low density foam in the quilting is not good for durability so I'm concerned that both of these mattresses have that. But I'm stuck getting something from Jordan's since I am able to exchange the mattress after 30 days. Does any have any feedback on my concerns?

I also compared the Thoreau mattress to the Henry David Plush (the one I ended up buying), noticing the only difference was 1" more of soft latex in the comfort layer. I ordered a 1" soft latex topper to try on top of the new mattress (Henry David Plush) from sleep on latex. I tried that out and it was too soft, felt comfortable but I woke up with a very sore lower back and could feel my hips not as supported. So now I am also concerned the Thoreau mattress might be too soft even though it felt good in the show room. I'm really scared to not choose the right mattress the second time around...
20 Aug 2019 06:49
  • diynaturalbedding
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It sounds like you are covering all your bases. I wouldn't be surprised if you needed to swap your mattress for something with a little more of a comfort layer. I saw that Jordan's sells quite a few Prana models, including some labeled plush. If you look at each product's Overview tab, Comfort and Support layers, you can start making some comparisons. For the products that use latex, the higher the ILD number, the firmer it is. A typical ILD of a comfort layer would be between 14 - 28 ILD.

Best of luck in the hunt.
19 Aug 2019 17:57
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Thanks for the reply! I have read a lot on this site and found it really helpful about what to look for when mattress shopping. I unfortunately cannot switch any of the layers around as they're all encased and not removable. I did stop by Jordan's again today just to see if the one in the show room felt equally uncomfortable (it did) and tried a few others that were softer just to get an idea if it was more comfortable. I guess I will switch around my pillows and see if that helps.
19 Aug 2019 12:35
  • diynaturalbedding
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You say it is too firm under your shoulders, it sounds like you are sinking through too quickly to the supporting latex below. Do you have the option to try moving around the layers to create a different feel? Start with something simple like moving the 2" layer on top of the 1" layer.

According to Jordan's website, it is a fairly standard mattress build:
Comfort Layers: 1" Soft Talalay Latex and 2" Medium Talalay Latex
Support System: 6" Talalay Latex Core 32ILD

In my experience, a pillow and a mattress tend to be a combo. A soft mattress needs a shorter pillow than a firm mattress. If you sink in further to a soft mattress, you need less support between your shoulders and head than if you are on a firmer mattress where every part of your body sits up a little higher.
18 Aug 2019 12:53
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Hello, I would appreciate some help adjusting to a new latex mattress. I recently bought a Prana Sleep Mattress from Jordan's (model: Henry David Plush Mattress). Prior to this I had a Simmon's beautyrest plush that I had about 5 years but had seemed too soft recently as I was waking up with low back pain. I mostly sleep on my side and stomach, but sometimes on my back too (I'm female, in my early 30's, approx 135lb and 5'6"). This time when I went mattress shopping I tried an equivalent model to my the Beautyrest mattress and while comfortable it was not supportive. I ended up with the Prana sleep which felt supportive but I am wondering if it is too firm.

I've only had the mattress a few days but waking up with shoulder and neck pain. More specifically when I sleep on my side the mattress feels too firm under my shoulder and if I am on my back I get mid and upper back pain. Can anyone help? Does this mean my mattress is too firm or perhaps I just need a new pillow? There is an option for me to exchange the mattress after 30 days but I am still a ways away from the 30 day mark.
15 Aug 2019 12:02
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Hi Sak919,
I think you are on the right track with taking into consideration Talalay Latex. We truly believe it to be the finest material on earth, to make beds out of. Based on the fact that you loved the feel of the Prana, I think you can narrow it down further to us, and Zenhaven, as we too are talalay latex top to bottom, head to foot.
The major difference between us, and the other beds you've been looking at, is our ability to adjust the bed after you sleep in it, and our attention to detail.
Below would be my recommendation in our vZone Latex Mattress, your side being the left, and your husbands configuration being on the right.

The beauty of the vZone setup is in the first 100 nights you have the mattress, you can request any firmness from head to toe, on the vZone layer, at no cost. For example, if after 3 nights of sleeping, your hips feel as if they are sinking in too much, we ship you a firmer hip section, you return nothing. You listen to your body, we listen to you, and together, we get your mattress "just right".
If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to write back here, or email us directly.
15 Aug 2019 11:34
  • SAK919
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Hi..new to TMU but have been reading for months. Feel comfortable enough that I would like a Talalay latex bed after trying out the Prana top of the line ($12K!) mattress. We are getting an adjustable split bed (twin XL) so we can each have our own mattress firmness. I have narrowed down to Zenhaven, Nest and Flobed but honestly not sure how to pick one from here as I am unable to try any of them. The appeal of Zenhaven was delivery in a non-compressed state and the high customer ratings, but should I be concerned it is not on TMU list of trusted members.? Nest has eco-foam and I am not sure how that holds up in comparison to the polyurethane foam used in most national brands and/or if it should be a consideration. Flobeds seem to fit my bill also but I have information overload, or maybe underload.
Some facts:
husband is 5'8", 175 both side and back sleeper;
I am 5"2" 112 lbs. mostly stomach sleeper but also sleep on side, and back last
Mattress will be on an adjustable bed frame

Pros/cons and opinions on the selections above?

Thank you!
26 Jul 2019 11:27
  • phoenix
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Hi mpicasso,

Welcome to our mattress forum :)!

Once you start gathering the knowledge to make an informed purchase is quite rare to not enter a "paralysis by analysis" phase....maybe we should have some kind of 5 stages of grief for mattress purchasing :) It will start making sense once you match the theory with the field testing and decide on the "must-have" mattress features. There are many variables that are interconnected and it is difficult to discriminate and arrange them in the order of importance for your own needs and preferences which are very unique to you. The mattress buying personal value equation may help to decide between your options. Yes, the Prana is quite expensive.

1) From what I understand, springs are better for isolation of movement, not much more. Am I understanding this correctly?


Depends on the springs ... You are correct that pocket coils are the most motion isolating type of springs. Traditional innerspring mattresses are notorious for motion transfer issues for “light" or more sensitive sleepers. Memory foam is the best at motion transfer but latex, pocket coils, microcoils, buckling column gel, and even polyfoam are generally good as well but it will depend to some degree on the specific design of the mattress, on your relative weight ranges, and your sleeping style (such as how close you sleep together). Pocket coils are generally good for motion transfer, unlike innersprings that are linked with helicals which are generally poor to fair depending on the specifics of the innerspring and the foam layers above it. Just as an example most people will tell you that a mattress that uses latex comfort layers would be relatively good at motion isolation but there are also some that will tell you otherwise which is a good example of why once again the most reliable way to know whether a mattress is "motion isolating enough" for you would be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience with both of you on the mattress in the positions you normally sleep in. You can find more about latex versus innerspring post#28 here. And there is more about mattresses motion transfer in post #18 here .

Additionally, while both innerspring and a firmer latex core can be used as a support layer ... each has very "different" characteristics but the most important differences are the ones you can feel and that you personally prefer. Both of them come in softer or firmer versions and in many different designs so an innerspring could be firmer than a latex core or the other way around depending on the specifics of the components you are comparing.

2) Sleeping on a queen, now, but thoughts of going full-size, for room. If I stayed queen, could it extend the life of a mattress, due to slightly more “sleeping area”? Had planned on building a slatted platform frame, so cost is not much difference between the 2. Only need to buy new sheets.


Nice to be able to DIY slatted frame to your own specifications. You may wish to visit the the Best Mattress Foundation thread here for some good tips. I have not seen any data to suggest that a 6" bigger size bed will have a measurable difference in durability. Most consumers typically revert to the same general area of the bed.

3) Ideal weight is around 210#’s - will I notice the difference in the feel of the bed, if I purchase based on my weight now? Have a 3” latex topper on it now but think bed is past it’s useful life. Basically asking if it would make more sense to get a different topper or even a “cheap” bed, to hold me over while I continue to lose weight (will take 6-9 months, at minimum).


Congratulations on your weight loss through exercise and diet! :) ... 45 lbs to go... IMO, I do not see any great benefit to buying a cheap bed and holding until the sought weight level is reached especially as you do not seem to deal with any pains due to alignment issues. As you lose weight the alignment also will improve so if possible I'd hold on a bit and instead experiment with what you have ... maybe taking off the current topper and see how your body reacts to a firmer surface. Additionally, weight loss, although sometimes happens fast, is still a gradual process.

Currently on a queen, sleeping solo except my dog. Sleep on my back, primarily, and sleep hot.


I am sure your dog would appreciate a little cooler sleeping environment as well...There is more in about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of mattress/sleeping systems in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range. In very general terms ... the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin and softer mattresses or foam toppers will tend to be more "insulating" and for some people can sleep warmer than firmer versions of the same material.


Regarding Orlando, Palm Beach FL vicinities, I definitely think visiting the Ghostbed / Naturesleep store. and Bedmasters (almost 3 hours drive) they also have an all Latex Talalay mattress. that's worth testing. Here are a couple of other threads regarding South Florida:


South Florida Mattress Store
Quality mattress retailers - Palm Beach / Marin Co.

Let us know if there is any other information we can help you with.

Phoenix
25 Jul 2019 17:18
  • mpicasso
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My head hurts from reading and literally have gotten to the “paralysis by analysis” phase. Enjoy a latex bed but those at City Mattress (Pranasleep) are just too expensive (Samadhi and Wahe...even considered the “discounted” rack). Visited the Charles P Rogers showroom in NY, which provided a nice sleep but at $2600, I still was on the fence. Before that, favored a BeautyRest Black but found enough reviews suggesting to look elsewhere. Recently, I have been steered towards the Wink Plus bed but cannot find a showroom to try.
I am 6’1” 255#’s, so BMI over 30 (dieting and exercising, and down from 260#’s...still dropping). Currently on a queen, sleeping solo except my dog. Sleep on my back, primarily, and sleep hot. Did like the idea of wool but concerned about its longevity, so thinking more of a Talalay/Dunlop mix, as opposed to springs. Budget is in the $2000 range but more concerned with finding the bed best for my needs.
1) From what I understand, springs are better for isolation of movement, not much more. Am I understanding this correctly?
2) Sleeping on a queen, now, but thoughts of going full-size, for room. If I stayed queen, could it extend the life of a mattress, due to slightly more “sleeping area”? Had planned on building a slatted platform frame, so cost is not much difference between the 2. Only need to buy new sheets.
3) Ideal weight is around 210#’s - will I notice the difference in the feel of the bed, if I purchase based on my weight now? Have a 3” latex topper on it now but think bed is past it’s useful life. Basically asking if it would make more sense to get a different topper or even a “cheap” bed, to hold me over while I continue to lose weight (will take 6-9 months, at minimum).
4) Not sure the search parameter to use, looking for local manufacturers but live in 33461 zip code. Planning to visit Ghostbed sometime over the next few days, and frequent the Orlando area (32811), as well. That said, no concerns with driving 3-4 hours away, especially as I saw Fox Mattresses falls within that distance.
The information provided has been VERY beneficial but struggling to apply it to real world applications. The more I try to educate myself, the more confused I get, and therefore struggle to figure out even the questions to ask. Saw a note about the importance of pillows, something i sleep on about 60-70% of the time...not going to even begin tackling that idea!!!
Thanks in advance!
08 Jul 2019 16:51
  • Latex Mattress Factory.
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Please keep in mind that there are only 2 manufacturers of Talalay latex in the world and only a handful of Dunlop manufacturers in the world. As such, we're all getting our latex from the same few places. When comparing companies, warranty and return policy is important, customer service reputation is important, and number of years in business is important as well. If you’re looking to replicate the PranaSleep Super Vinyasa 6 Super Plush, the best way to do this would be to call them and ask the thickness and ILD rating of every layer in their mattress and ask the name of their latex supplier at that point as well. You would then just look for another company that sells Talalay from the same manufacturer and with the same ILD ratings, then order those same layers. Please note that we carry Talalay latex from both manufacturers (Latex International and Radium), so if you can find out the ILD ratings and thickness of each layer of the Prana Sleep mattress, we should be able to supply the exact same latex that you would find in their mattress. Once you’d found a place to purchase the layers from, you’d need to find a place to purchase the cover from, and as long as the cover is the same thickness as the 1” cover on the Prana Sleep mattress, you should get the same feel out of your DIY mattress as the Prana Sleep mattress.
08 Jul 2019 10:28
  • kwills
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Hello,

First off, thank you for running this site. My husband and I are on the search for a new mattress and this site has been invaluable. We really appreciate all you do.

We are currently sleeping on an inner spring mattress from a small company based in Pennsylvania that is about 14 years old. You have to climb a mountain in the middle to get to the other side it's so sunken in. We both wake up with shoulder, back and neck pain every day. He's about 6'3" and 180 lbs. I'm 5'0" and 130. I'm a side/stomach sleeper, he's a back/side sleeper. I sleep with a down pillow and he sleeps with a Tempurpedic pillow. I tend to like feeling like I'm sleeping on a cloud, where he's a more medium kind of guy.

We had looked at the PranaSleep Super Vinyasa 6 Super Plush (the medium guy's idea), but just couldn't swallow the almost $7,000 price tag, so we are looking for alternatives as we are ready to ditch the springs. I had looked at the Prana Karma Sky Plush, but, while I liked the feel, I didn't like that it had springs in it. I have looked at GhostBed, Zenhaven and FloBed, but really am not sure what would compare most closely to the Prana or if there are others that would be similar without the sticker shock.

Any advice you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated. The whole bed in a box thing slightly frightens us, but waking up feeling the way we do every day frightens us more. Also, we are located in Buffalo, New York if that helps.

Thank you!!
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