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08 Sep 2022 11:53
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi mreesele.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Thanks for sharing your previous configurations and some of the difficulties you've run into. I hope your next configuration is successful and comfortable for your wife. This thread/convo is quite long but may be useful to you - they ultimately achieved "cloud feel" with their DIY.

Would a 3" wool topper do this, or would a wool/cotton/latex topper?


I looked at the Prana Lotus - they use a super plush latex - you could try super soft/super plush talalay comfort layer as opposed to just soft. It also says it includes "foam" but doesn't specify what kind. It's possible there's latex foam atop a memory or gel foam of some kind which helps to create that sinking-in type feel. Wool/cotton wouldn't be likely to "approximate" the feel she liked from that mattress but can be soft and comfortable in their own right.

NikkiTMU
06 Sep 2022 08:14
  • mreesele
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We recently purchased a Naturepedic EOS Pillowtop mattress which represents a big investment for us. We chose this because my wife and I have different needs/opinions on what makes a good mattress and we were able to split it down the middle. I've found a comfortable combination of: Firm Base Coils, Medium Latex, Soft Latex. My wife has tried three configurations so far: 1. Plush Coils, Soft Latex, soft latex; 2. Firm Coils, Medium Latex, Soft Latex, 3. Firm Coils, Soft Latex, Soft Latex. We'll also try Plush Coils, Medium Latex, Soft Latex, however I think the issue for her is more about the general attributes of latex and she does not like it. She's used to sleeping on much more cloud-like mattresses, a favorite of hers is the Prana Lotus Plush, however after reading how terribly those tend to fare on this very site, I insisted that we not throw money away.

I'm wondering if anyone has advice on how to work with the EOS Pillowtop that we have while recreating some of the cloud-like feeling that she is missing. Would a 3" wool topper do this, or would a wool/cotton/latex topper? Any other suggestions as to Naturepedic layer combinations that she might like? We are unfortunately not close enough to a showroom to make it a practical option to go there, we are however within the 100-day trial. I'd hate to have to return this mattress and start from scratch but I'd hate even more being stuck with a $5,000 mattress that does not suit both our needs.

Editing to add that the two highest-end Halcyon models from Naturepedic were much more in-line with her preferred comfort level, however a $10-12,000 mattress is not in the cards for us!
19 Jan 2022 13:20
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi jaystang.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Sorry to hear about the analysis paralysis! You're certainly not the first (nor the last) person to find yourself in this stage of mattress shopping.

While there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to predict which mattress would be the best match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs or "theory at a distance" (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ) ... if your back issues are being caused or aggravated by your mattress (which seems to be somewhat likely because it goes away when you have been up for a while) the odds are high that you could find a mattress that will be a much better "match" for you.

The first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you with how to make the most suitable choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

There is also more about the most common "symptoms" that people may experience on a mattress in post #2 here that may help you identify why the mattresses you have chosen weren't working well for you. The most common cause of lower back pain is an alignment issue from a mattress that either has a support core that is too soft or comfort layers (or toppers) that are too thick/soft for your body type or sleeping positions but a mattress that is too firm and doesn't provide good support under the recessed parts of your body (such as the small of your back) can also lead to lower back pain.

The most important "requirement" for any mattress purchase regardless of any back issues is always to make sure that it provides good alignment in all your sleeping positions.

There is more about primary and secondary support and their relationship to pressure relief and firmness in post #4 here and in post #2 here that may help you visualize what good support and alignment "looks like".

There is also more about the different ways to buy a mattress and how to minimize the risks involved in each of them if you aren't confident that a particular mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP in post #2 here that may also be helpful.

I feel my first step is to narrow down to either full latex, inner box spring, or some type of hybrid. Given my back conditions described, should I be leaning one direction or the other

?

A hybrid is going to retain the traditional "bounce" of an innerspring mattress and also sleeps slightly cooler as the spring allow for better airflow. An all foam configuration is great if you're looking for motion isolation and the ability to easily swap out layers to customize the feel.

I read a lot about “alternative brands” that can be purchased online. I’m intrigued by that option, but also don’t think I can convince my wife to purchase something we can’t try first (albeit most have great trial programs). When comparing something like SleepEz or Saatv a (as examples) to PranaSleep, what’s ultimately the (besides $1000 more for the Prana)?


Many of our Trusted Members offer great sleep trials with ease of exchanges and/or returns (obviously varies by policy and company). Many of them are also happy to help you choose something from their inventory that they feel will be your best fit based on what you know you like, your height/weight and your pain points (like you've shared here). The difference between a brand like SleepEZ and Saatva is going to boil down to quality of materials, where materials are sourced, brands of materials (like innersprings), and transparency in terms of quality/durability of materials.

I hope this helps!
NikkiTMU
17 Jan 2022 19:09
  • jaystang
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First off, let me just applaud all of those involved in this forum. The amount of information available here is incredible. That said, I’m also a bit overwhelmed and definitely in the “analysis paralysis” phase of mattress shopping. Hoping I can get some guidance to set me on the right path.

Let me start with the background. My wife and I are in our late 30’s. We’ve spent the past 12 years sleeping on a Sterns & Foster Pillow Top (Provincial Collection). It’s a mattress we both found very comfortable for many years but feel it’s coming to the end of it’s life.

For the past year or so I’ve been dealing with some lower back pain. I’m very active and could easily attribute it to serval different things in my life. I didn’t give the mattress much thought in terms of root cause until recently. The pain has recently gotten worse so I’ve spent a bit more time analyzing when I feel it, and what I’ve done that day to aggravate it. It’s typically the worse in the middle of the night. I typically mutter a few choice words when I roll over in pain. I don’t notice it at all once I’m settled in place on the mattress, it’s just when attempting to move after being positioned for a while. I’m also noticing the pain is only on my lower left. Coincidentally (or maybe not), I’m a side sleeper and 90% of the time am sleeping on my left side. Once I get moving in the morning the pain mostly goes away, but will come back when sitting or slouching on the couch for a while.

To add the details, I am 6’4” and around 190lbs. My wife is 5’10 and around 145. She has zero problems sleeping.

Fast forward to today, I took all of this information and thought, ok maybe it’s time for a new mattress. Wife and I headed to Jordans Furniture to look at options. We tested the traditional inner box spring style, tempur pedic memory foam, and finally PranaSleep full latex (I didn’t even know that was a thing). My wife immediately said “heck no” to the memory foam option. I was personally leaning towards the PranaSleep (Thoreau model). My wife didn’t have a strong preference other than no memory foam.

I then started looking up reviews which brought me to this fine site. At this point I feel more informed, but also more confused than ever (ignorance is bliss right?).

I suppose at this time, my questions are….

I feel my first step is to narrow down to either full latex, inner box spring, or some type of hybrid. Given my back conditions described, should I be leaning one direction or the other?

Regarding the PranaSleep brand, I initially read some negative feedback around materials used, but then read they’ve since changed their manufacturing and may be more recommended. Is this true? Is this a brand I should consider or avoid?

I read a lot about “alternative brands” that can be purchased online. I’m intrigued by that option, but also don’t think I can convince my wife to purchase something we can’t try first (albeit most have great trial programs). When comparing something like SleepEz or Saatv a (as examples) to PranaSleep, what’s ultimately the (besides $1000 more for the Prana)?

Any other advice or things I should be considering?

Thanks in advance!
29 Nov 2021 15:40
  • SudOvest
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Rate my build!

I just pulled the trigger on a Flexus Comfort all-latex natural mattress.

I really like that they offer 100% natural (not blended) Dunlop of Talalay for the same price.

Here is the build: Queen 13”:

Soft Talalay (one sheet, to avoid split in middle)
Medium Dunlop (split layer)
Firm Talalay (split layer)
Firm Dunlop (split layer)

Base: Sam’s Club Member’s Mark Premium adjustable

After discounts the total was ~$1550.

I’m 5’7” and 165lbs, athletic build and my wife is 5’7” and 120lbs. My wife is almost exclusively a side sleeper and I Prefer to sleep on my back but have been sleeping on my side more since I have very mild sleep apnea (doesn’t require treatment).

Is what we ordered a good match for our sleeping styles? We tried the avocado and found it to be too firm. We tried my nephew’s My Green Mattress Kiwi and liked it and also liked my parent’s Pranasleep Vinyasa (which I believe is all Talalay). Should we have ordered all Talalay? Different layer firmness? I know 100% can be more inconsistent but we’re willing to live with a trade-off to avoid petroleum products in the mattress.
07 Sep 2021 18:03
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi selder.

Sorry to hear you're sleeping hot and uncomfortably!

I took a look at your Prana mattress and while the specifications are reasonable, I think you're being overheated by the quilted layers (the cover) as there is quite a lot of synthetic material there:

Quilt: 100% Polyester cover
1" Soft HD foam 1.5LB
1" Firm HD foam 1.5LB
Comfort Layers: 1" Medium Talalay Latex
1" Everlast foam 4LB

The latex, which would sleep cooler, is sandwiched between heat insulating foam layers trapped in a polyester cover. There is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range.

I now plan to buy pocketed coils with organic or natural material (what is difference?) . What do you think?


I think looking into something like the Natural Escape or Pure Echo is well worth your time. Organic doesn't necessarily mean "better" and often boils down to who has the adequate space and money to offer that sort of certification. That said, if chemicals are something you're worried about in the slightest, organic and GOLS and OEKO=TEX certifications are things to look out for.

I would agree that you may get your most comfortable nights sleep on a mattress that does not include poly or memory (or gel) foam.

For coils do you think with Donlop or Talaley? And which brands? Seems like not all latex is the same.


The difference between Dunlop and Talalay is often described as the difference between pound cake (dunlop) and angel food cake (talalay). Talalay latex is the most popular as a comfort layer because it can be made softer than Dunlop and is more consistent in its softness across the entire surface of the mattress. Dunlop however is also used in the comfort layers because of its firmer and less "lively" nature which is attractive to some who prefer its feel. Latex is also the most breathable of all foams and this can be an important part of temperature regulation for those who tend to sleep hot. There are also versions of Talalay latex available that are specially formulated to help regulate temperature (Celsion latex is one of them) for those who need it however even the regular forms of latex perform very well here.

A number of our Trusted Members offer latex hybrids with cotton and/or wool covers as opposed to polyester! I'd suggest looking through our directory, keeping in mind that no matter who you buy from, it is important to have a detailed conversation with whomever you choose to purchase from and provide them with your stats, body type, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about your current mattress, or what you have tested, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress so they can help you choose which may be your best fit from their inventory.

NikkiTMU
06 Sep 2021 16:33
  • selder
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Hello Dear Wonderful Helpers,
Like most here, I have been in hell trying to sort out what to buy.
I have bought two new mattresses whose firm construction worked well for my bad sciatica and herniated 3 lower back discs. [Prana Sky Lux firm and another firm brand ( both coils)].
However, both caused me to wake up in middle of every night too hot with weird painful aching body. I had to cold shower in middle of every night. I felt badly for 3 hours each morning. On 3 business trips
in 3 nice hotels (NYC, Boston and LA) I had the same reaction in 2019/ 2020. Last 6 months, I have slept on three 10-20 year-old coil spring beds with no reaction at all except a very bad back.

Lying on new mattresses in store, of course, does not cause the weird hot feeling. I now plan to buy pocketed coils with organic or natural material (what is difference?) . What do you think? Maybe the reason is due to fire retardants and heat causing foam? Salespeople all told me I have allergies. I don't believe I do. I do not get hives or skin issues at all. It is more an internal ache and heating issue. I do have MS which is sensitive to heat. But, old mattresses are just fine.? No heat.

Do you think it is a good idea to avoid poly and to choose coils. Some friends are sure it is EMFs making me feel sick, and are against the coils. But I sleep OK on all the old box springs ...just no back support.
I end up sleeping on the floor some nights for support. That hurts in other ways, but at least I am not feeling sick.

I sleep on my side 50% and stomach 50% (trying to train myself to sleep on back which is difficult). I weigh 165 and am light sleeper. Right now I am sleepless, and investigated this problem for 2 years.
I am choosing coils because I am afraid of latex heat build-up although I love the feel. For coils do you think with Donlop or Talaley? And which brands? Seems like not all latex is the same.
I have read this website a lot. It's so helpful. Thank you everyone.
Much gratitude for any suggestions anyone has.
Sleepless in Buffalo,
Frances
15 Aug 2021 17:11
  • Sleep EZ
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Hello sleepnirvanaplease and thanks for reaching out and welcome to the forums! She is right in the sense that putting the mattress on a foundation without any flex or give to it will make or a firmer feel. However, in our experience, flexible foundations are not good for any latex mattress because it can cause the mattress to break down sooner than normal. In fact, I took a warranty call this morning from a customer that has been using his latex mattress on a flex foundation for 2 years and it's already softened to the point that he can feel that it's softer where he sleeps versus on the sides. So yes, their adjustable base will make the mattress feel softer, or rather any other adjustable base will feel firmer than the one you tried in the store. However, I don't think it's good for the longevity of the mattress to have it on that flexible foundation.
15 Aug 2021 14:52
  • sleepnirvanaplease
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Hello, my husband and I need HELP. We are literally going crazy in this quest for a new mattress and adjustable bed frame! This is harder than buying a car....!!

We found a super comfortable , all latex mattress floor model at a retailer in our area. It's a high-end top of the line Pranasleep mattress. It is 50% off and has been on the floor just a few months. We could not afford this mattress without this sale, and both love the mattress. The mattress was on an adjustable base from Leggit and Platt that had a pillowtop tilt, wall hugging, etc. We loved it! The price for the base was pretty expensive, so my husband found a distributor online of Leggit and Platt and spoke with him . He could sell us the exact same base for $1300 less since he is a direct distributor, not a retailer. So same brand, same features, everything. SO WE THOUGHT. Turns out from our saleswoman at the retail store, they are not the same at all. Her base that the actual mattress is on in the store, is a Legget and Platt SLATTED adjustable base that Legget and Platt makes EXCLUSIVELY for Pranasleep. So these beachwood slats depress/bend as you sleep and move with the adjustability of the base. It's designed as a 'system' with Pranasleep mattresses, hence, it's more expensive. You can't find this base anywhere else (yes, I tried!). The sales woman is nice, but clearly wants us/'expects' us to get the best of the best, and is 'shaming' us for the sale. In her opinion, how could we NOT get the base when it's made for the bed specifically? And if we don't get the base, the bed won't feel the same as when we lie on it, nor will will it be good for the life of the mattress. The sales pressure is annoying, and I guess I'm less of a person for trying to save some money. FYI, none of the Pranasleep mattresses in the store are on regular-non slat bases, so we cannot compare or tell if there is a difference or not.
What I'd like to know from you is - IS SHE RIGHT? This is 13" luxury all latex mattress. It's thick. Is buying the slat-base adjustable bed base worth the extra $1300 in the long run or will we not notice the difference with an adjustable bed without slats? The only difference between the bases is the slats. They are both Legget and Platt with all the same features. PLEASE HELP, thank you!
25 Jun 2021 07:53
  • Leguizamon
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Hello Arizona Premium Mattress,
I'm new to the site after luckily stumbling upon it while looking for mattresses information. I've spent the past weeks reading as much as I can. What an amazing wealth of knowledge! Thank you to all that contribute to this site! I have learnt a lot, although not quite enough, so I would continue reading and learning, but giving the nature of my specific situation, I thought that it could be more hopefully getting some answers from the experts members of this forum.

I’m hoping you can help me on my search for a mattress that will match my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

My previous experience with coil mattresses with low quality components and with memory foam mattresses together with what I’ve learnt so far, led me to explore all latex mattresses. And since getting the right PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) takes some time and some trial and error, I feel that maybe going the DIY rout will not only be the best immediate solution but also the best for long term satisfaction.

For some background information, I’m 52, 5’ 9”, 182 lbs, average built, shoulders somewhat wither then my hips, mostly side sleeper, occasionally on my stomach, almost never on my back.

Since I did not want to purchase a DIY latex mattress solely based on information learnt on this forum, to test how latex feels, I visited City Mattress to take a look at the PranaSleep models, I did not lay on any of them for too long because I saw samples of the componentry and even on the most expensive models like the OM, the quilted top is not made with latex, it is made with thing layers of foam, and although it feels nice, I’m concern about the durability of that component. And it seems that due to the cover construction it would be difficult to get the same “feel” on a DIY mattress. Is my assumption correct?

Then I found Mattress Xperts that sells Pure Talalay Bliss. Searching through the forum I found some information regarding the componentry of some Pure Talalay Bliss models www.themattressunderground.com/talk-to-the-experts/sleep-ez/22711-latex-layering-strategy. Since this is from 2019, it is possible that the componentry in the current models in not the same, and it would be great to know what the current configuration is, in order to address my issue (described below).



Based on my body, sleep position, and the Pure Talalay Bliss mattresses componentry (above from 2019), and some other information I’ve found about the Pure Talalay Bliss models, I thought that the Beautiful could be too soft for me and hammock, and the Pamper would be too hard, so I went straight to try the Nutrition and the Nature. My alignment was off on the Nature, but it was very good on the Nutrition. I laid for 15 minutes on each of them, one on my right side and the other one on my left side, and unfortunately to my surprise and disappointment both of them caused shoulder pain like I’ve never experienced before in any mattress. I roam around the store for a while hopping that the shoulder pain would go away so I could try the Beautiful or something else, but after ½ an hour the pain and discomfort in my shoulder and neck was still there, so I laid on the Beautiful on my back for 5 minutes, and although I wouldn’t say it hammocks, I definitely felt my butt sinking, perhaps this is OK since I mostly sleep on my side, but somehow I feel that the Beautiful could become too soft down the road and affect my alignment.
Based on research, reviews and comments regarding the Pure Talalay Bliss Beautiful, Nature and Nutrition, I thought I was on the right track and I was hopeful that any of this mattresses would be an approximate match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), so then I could purchase “similar” components to DIY a mattress that would feel “similar” to the one in the store. But after my experience at the mattress store I’m very frustrated and confuse.

I would also consider a hybrid rather than an all latex mattress, but based on all that I have read so far, I’m not sure if one vs the other will have any significant impact in achieving a match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). It seems that it is all about getting the “right” layers combination regardless of whether the support layer is made out of coils or latex. If my assumption correct?

Assuming that my assumption is right, I would rather go with an all latex mattress based on the fact that it would be easier to maneuver the mattress components by myself. Handling the coil layer of a queen size matters will be a hustle. However, it's easier to deal with split latex layers that are manageable in both weight and size.

I’m trying to stay positive and hopeful that I can find the right components combination that matches my PPP, but so far this seems to be one of those tricky ones in which a mattress either feels too soft or too hard for me.

Hopefully you can shine a light on the Pure Talalay Bliss models componentry and why they did not work for my PPP, and can also suggest a layers combination that could work for me.

Thank you in advance for any help and advice.
25 Jun 2021 07:44
  • Leguizamon
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Hello SleepEZ,

I'm new to the site after luckily stumbling upon it while looking for mattresses information. I've spent the past weeks reading as much as I can. What an amazing wealth of knowledge! Thank you to all that contribute to this site! I have learnt a lot, although not quite enough, so I would continue reading and learning, but giving the nature of my specific situation, I thought that it could be more hopefully getting some answers from the experts members of this forum.

I’m hoping you can help me on my search for a mattress that will match my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

My previous experience with coil mattresses with low quality components and with memory foam mattresses together with what I’ve learnt so far, led me to explore all latex mattresses. And since getting the right PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) takes some time and some trial and error, I feel that maybe going the DIY rout will not only be the best immediate solution but also the best for long term satisfaction.

For some background information, I’m 52, 5’ 9”, 182 lbs, average built, shoulders somewhat wither then my hips, mostly side sleeper, occasionally on my stomach, almost never on my back.

Since I did not want to purchase a DIY latex mattress solely based on information learnt on this forum, to test how latex feels, I visited City Mattress to take a look at the PranaSleep models, I did not lay on any of them for too long because I saw samples of the componentry and even on the most expensive models like the OM, the quilted top is not made with latex, it is made with thing layers of foam, and although it feels nice, I’m concern about the durability of that component. And it seems that due to the cover construction it would be difficult to get the same “feel” on a DIY mattress. Is my assumption correct?

Then I found Mattress Xperts that sells Pure Talalay Bliss. Searching through the forum I found some information regarding the componentry of some Pure Talalay Bliss models www.themattressunderground.com/talk-to-the-experts/sleep-ez/22711-latex-layering-strategy. Since this is from 2019, it is possible that the componentry in the current models in not the same, and it would be great to know what the current configuration is, in order to address my issue (described below).



Based on my body, sleep position, and the Pure Talalay Bliss mattresses componentry (above from 2019), and some other information I’ve found about the Pure Talalay Bliss models, I thought that the Beautiful could be too soft for me and hammock, and the Pamper would be too hard, so I went straight to try the Nutrition and the Nature. My alignment was off on the Nature, but it was very good on the Nutrition. I laid for 15 minutes on each of them, one on my right side and the other one on my left side, and unfortunately to my surprise and disappointment both of them caused shoulder pain like I’ve never experienced before in any mattress. I roam around the store for a while hopping that the shoulder pain would go away so I could try the Beautiful or something else, but after ½ an hour the pain and discomfort in my shoulder and neck was still there, so I laid on the Beautiful on my back for 5 minutes, and although I wouldn’t say it hammocks, I definitely felt my butt sinking, perhaps this is OK since I mostly sleep on my side, but somehow I feel that the Beautiful could become too soft down the road and affect my alignment.
Based on research, reviews and comments regarding the Pure Talalay Bliss Beautiful, Nature and Nutrition, I thought I was on the right track and I was hopeful that any of this mattresses would be an approximate match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), so then I could purchase “similar” components to DIY a mattress that would feel “similar” to the one in the store. But after my experience at the mattress store I’m very frustrated and confuse.

I would also consider a hybrid rather than an all latex mattress, but based on all that I have read so far, I’m not sure if one vs the other will have any significant impact in achieving a match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). It seems that it is all about getting the “right” layers combination regardless of whether the support layer is made out of coils or latex. If my assumption correct?

Assuming that my assumption is right, I would rather go with an all latex mattress based on the fact that it would be easier to maneuver the mattress components by myself. Handling the coil layer of a queen size matters will be a hustle. However, it's easier to deal with split latex layers that are manageable in both weight and size.

I’m trying to stay positive and hopeful that I can find the right components combination that matches my PPP, but so far this seems to be one of those tricky ones in which a mattress either feels too soft or too hard for me.

Hopefully you can shine a light on the Pure Talalay Bliss models componentry and why they did not work for my PPP, and can also suggest a layers combination that could work for me.

Thank you in advance for any help and advice.
20 Jun 2021 10:55
  • HTM
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I am wanting an all natural Latex Mattress - doesn't have to be organic, just no blend. I am a 145lbs 5' 3" female and my husband is 5' 10" and 150 lbs. I have herniated discs in both my neck and lower back so I need something with both support and pressure relief. My husband has no back issues and he is happy on almost anything unless it way too firm. We do not want a split. First question is - should I go with a 10" or 13"? From my research, it seems a 10" would be perfectly adequate for both our our BMI's, but I feel there is more flexibility in customization with the 13" and I do not want to have to use a topper. They always seem to feel too jiggly to me. So in theory, the 13" seems like a safer option, but I also don't want to run the risk of my mattress being too plush. I made that mistake with my current mattress which completely lacks the support I need (but it's a memory foam so I guess it isn't even comparable). Other than spending more money, is there any downside with going a 13" mattress? Or will I really be fine with a 10"?

The other question of course is what firmness layers should we go with? For mattresses I have tried in store our favorite was the Prana Organics Hatha which is described as a gentle firm and they show as a 5 on the firmness scale. Second runners up were the Prana Sleep Om Guru and the Posh and Lavish Reveal. Of course all of these are out of my price range, which brings me here. And that being said, I really want a mattress that I can replace individual layers on over time for long lasting durability. I searched to find out what their actual specifications on their mattresses are, but of course they won't advise of what they are.

Any advice/thoughts on the overall thickness and the firmness of the layers would be appreciated. I have read many posts from your forums and searched on many mattress websites and am just extremely overwhelmed at this point.
18 Jun 2021 14:10
  • Leguizamon
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Hello,

I'm new to the site after luckily stumbling upon it while looking for mattresses information. I've spent the past week reading as much as I can. What an amazing wealth of knowledge! Thank you to all that contribute to this site! I have learnt a lot, although not quite enough, so I would continue reading and learning, but giving the nature of my specific situation, I thought that it could be more hopefully getting some answers from the experts members of this forum.

My previous experience with coil mattresses with low quality components and with memory foam mattresses together with what I’ve learnt so far, led me to explore all latex mattresses. And since getting the right PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) takes some time and some trial and error, I feel that maybe going the DIY rout will not only be the best immediate solution but also the best for long term satisfaction.

For some background information, I’m 52, 5’ 9”, 182 lbs, average built, shoulders somewhat wither then hips, mostly side sleeper, occasionally on my stomach, almost never on my back.

From 2016 to 2020 I slept on a Zinus 10” mattress, componentry top-bottom, 2” Viscoflex, 1”memory foam, 2” high density foam, 5” high density base support foam. It was not the best sleep ever, but not a bad one either, especially in comparison to my previous coil mattress (can’t remember brand/model, but it was a high end model for which we paid a lot of money) in which I experience the hammock effect in any sleep position for the longest time.

During the first 3 years the Zinus mattress did not feel as hot as I thought it would (based on what I had read about memory foam mattresses) and it was comfortable, I can’t say for sure if it provided proper spinal alignment, but I did not have any pains or big discomfort. Eventually by the 4th year of usage, I started to sink in to the mattress more than I would like to. Coincidentally, by then I needed to change my king size bed for a queen. Not having the time to research about mattresses, I thought that the safest bet would be to buy the same Zinus mattress model which would at least serve me well for 3 or 4 years, which it was not that bad for the price. Unfortunately they did not have that mattress on a queen size.

I started looking at other Zinus’s models, but nothing seemed to be a good option, so I looked for other brands and I found a mattress that seemed to have reviews that were similar to the ones written for my Zinus mattress. So I took the risk and I purchase a Novilla Bliss 10” Gel Memory, componentry top-bottom, 2” gel-infused memory foam, 2” air flow comfort foam, 3” air circulation foam, 3” supportive high density memory foam. Unfortunately, in a matter of month the Novilla started to sag, and it was very uncomfortable to sleep on it, still not having the time to get knowledge to make an informed mattress purchase, I decided to put a band aid on it and use a 3” Tempurpedic topper that I have in the guestroom, this make things slighter better, but I was still sinking into the mattress and the topper felt hot.

Because it felt like I was thinking through the topper, to test the topper by itself, one night I slept on the topper placed on the floor, which confirmed that I was indeed thinking through the topper.
So then I thought, OK the floor is too hard and the top layers of the mattress are too soft, how about if I flip the mattress and put the topper on top? That way I would have the topper as my comfort layer and the high density foam right under it as my support layer. So I set it up and since the topper didn’t seem to offer sufficient cushioning and it was hot, I also added a Wamsutta Dream Zone mattress pad on top.

While this set up is definitely and improvement, it is also far from the ideal mattress for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). It still hot to sleep on it, I toss and turn frequently during the night, and although I don’t have any specific aches, I woke up unrested and with a general muscles discomfort/pain in my upper body.

Since I did not want to purchase a DIY latex mattress solely based on information learnt on the forum, to test how latex feels, I visited City Mattress to take a look at the PranaSleep models, I did not lay on any of them for too long because I saw samples of the componentry and even on the most expensive models like the OM, the quilted top is not made with latex, so I’m concern about the durability of that component.

Then I found Mattress Xperts that sells Pure Talalay Bliss, and based on my research I thought that the Beautiful could be too soft for me and hammock, and the Pamper would be too hard, so I went straight to try the Nutrition and the Nature, I laid for 15 minutes on each of them, one on my right side and the other one on my left side, and unfortunately to my surprise and disappointment both of them caused shoulder pain like I’ve never experienced before in any mattress. I roam around the store for a while hopping that the shoulder pain would go away so I could try the Beautiful or something else, but after ½ an hour the pain and discomfort in my shoulder and neck was still there, so I laid on the Beautiful in my back for 5 minutes, and although I wouldn’t say it hammocks, I definitely felt my butt sinking.

I would appreciated if anyone can let me know if there are other places to go to try a latex mattress near me, my zip code is 33432.

Based on research, reviews and comments regarding the Pure Talalay Bliss Beautiful, Nature and Nutrition, I thought I was on the right track and I was hopeful that any of this mattresses would be a match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), so then I could purchase “similar” components to DIY a mattress that would feel “similar” to the one in the store. But after my experience at the mattress store I’m very frustrated and confuse.

The sales associate gave me the specs for each mattress, but I think they may be for older models, this is based on the fact that the paper says Pure Latex Bliss instead of Pure Talalay Bliss and also instead of ActiveFusion Fast Natural Talalay for the confort layer it just says Natural Talalay Latex. As an example for the Pamper it says:

PBL- Pamper
450-480 Gram Weight Fabric
LatexBliss Milliken Paladin Fire Resistant Barrier
1" Natural Talalay Latex 19 ILD
6" Natural Talalay Latex Support Core 40 ILD
1” Support Stabilization Base Extra Firm Talalay Latex
8” Mattress Height

In contrast here if what I found on this forum www.themattressunderground.com/talk-to-the-experts/sleep-ez/22711-latex-layering-strategy

It would be great if a MUF expert can post the current specs for all the Pure Talalay Bliss models, so it is available for the lucky ones that find that any of this mattresses matches their PPP and would like to go the DIY rout.

On a site note, I emailed Pure Talalay Bliss inquiring about the specs for each models, and they reply "Thank you for contacting us. We do not provide the ILD’s of the mattresses listed below, but you can go to the Pure Talalay Bliss products page and click on each mattress to see what the layers are in each mattress without the ILD."

Back to my mattress hunt, I would also consider a hybrid rather than an all latex mattress, but based on all that I have read so far, I’m not sure if one vs the other will have any significant impact in achieving a match for my PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). It seems that it is all about getting the “right” layers combination regardless of whether the support layer is made out of coils or latex. If my assumption correct?

Assuming that my assumption is right, I would rather go with an all latex mattress based on the fact that it would be easier to maneuver the mattress components by myself. Handling the coil layer of a queen size matters will be a hustle. However, it's easier to deal with split latex layers that are manageable in both weight and size.

I’m trying to stay positive and hopeful that I can find the right components combination that matches my PPP, but so far this seems to be one of those tricky ones in which a mattress either feels too soft or too hard for me. Given that, should I be considering trying to train myself to sleep on my back? It seems to be the best position to sleep in, except that I snore, so I don’t know if sleeping on my back could make this worse. I tried last night using pillows by my side to elevate my arms so that I would let me shoulders and my neck rest (I was still feeling discomfort from the mattresses testing yesterday morning) , I slept through the night and my shoulders were fine this morning, but my upper back muscles hurt a lot. But I’m thinking that maybe a different mattress for back sleepers could be the answer to my dilemma. Although with the luck I've had so far, finding a mattress for back sleepers that matches my PPP may turn out difficult as well.

Thank you in advance for any help and advice.
22 May 2021 18:05
  • janet444
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I believe I'm down to two mattress choices, but I'm nervous about making this choice. So I wanted to share some relevant details to see if I'm leaning in the right direction, and also if I'm missing any other possibilities - particularly less expensive options for what I like (soft latex over pocketed coils).

After visiting Gardner Mattress (which I never even knew about until I came here!), I confirmed my suspicions that I would probably like a latex mattress over pocketed coils. Gardner only uses Talalay latex. I found that I liked the softest latex, but I have back problems. I think it was fine, though, in terms of the support it offered. The problem is that it's over my budget. And I was also trying them out so that I would have more information about buying a mattress online. The only other place I'm seeing a similar mattress is Sleep EZ. Initially, I was considering their Select Sleep Hybrid, which is $995. But it only comes in medium/firm (you flip it to get either medium or firm). So a rep there suggested that the 360 would be a better fit for me. So that's another $250 (it's $1250), but still significantly less than the one at Gardner.

I'm wondering if I should make the leap and buy the Sleep EZ mattress. The only other place I went to try out mattresses was Jordan's Furniture and the young sales rep dropped me like a hot potato once he realized that I knew stuff about mattresses. I liked their Prana Sky mattress, but it only had 1" of latex and that was under foam.

Part of me wants to go with the mattress I already tried and liked at Gardner, but that one is $1450 plus a $50 delivery charge. I don't know if I'll like the Sleep EZ mattress, but I now know that I like soft Talalay latex over pocketed coils. And Sleep EZ has some good policies about exchanging layers. Also, someone actually wrote a review this month on the Sleep EZ site about getting the 360 with the soft Talalay topper and how it helped his back pain and he loves it. And he thanked TMU also. :-)

I haven't had a chance to try Dunlop, but the only place I can do that is a very expensive local place and I know I'll feel uncomfortable going in there and faking it.

So my questions are:
  • I'm inclined to take a chance and get the Sleep EZ 360mattress - does it seem like I'm leaning in the right direction? If I really dislike it, I can return it for $100, which I hope I don't have to do, but it does take away some of the risk.

    Am I missing any less expensive options for soft latex over pocketed coils? I see less expensive options for medium and firm latex over pocketed coils but none for soft.

    Are there any concerns about getting the soft latex with back problems?

I appreciate any advice!

Janet
01 Feb 2021 14:21
  • Sensei
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Hey GCC,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

Brand new here and in search of a new Mattress. We currently have a Kaymed Mattress now that we loved. However, it 17 years old and getting a bit saggy so we are searching for something similar.


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :) ! Sounds like you both have enjoyed many years of faithful service from your lovely Kaymed Mattress and indeed, 17 years is a good run.

Anyway, we went to Jordan and tried a lot. We did not like Tempurpedics as their foam just felt "different" then what we had... The one Mattress that we really liked was the Prana Thoreau. We didnt buy it yet because I want to make sure we are getting the right mattress as the right deal. Afterwards, I went on the Prana website and they dont even list the Thoreau. Matter of fact, I cant find that Mattress anywhere other than Jordans., So, I figured either that Mattress was specially made for Jordans or the more likely scenario is that it has a different name depending on what store you buy it from? Am I right, is the Thoreau named differently at different stores?
Thanks in advance.


Good job on making store visits and mattress testing! From the Pranasleep web site, I did some checking on their "Store Locator" page and found that Jordan's Furniture is one of their retail partners. It's not unusual for a mattress manufacturer who sells direct to consumers to create exclusive programs for their retail partners, eliminating direct competition among the brand and the retail partner by offering unique model mattresses. In the case of PranaSleep, the Thoreau would be part of Jordan Furniture's exclusive Prana offering and not available elsewhere. Hope this helps and good luck with your mattress shopping voyage ;) .


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