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03 Sep 2020 10:25
  • cgreen1
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I've been really appreciative of reading through this forum and all the knowledge I've gained, although a bit overwhelmed like most who start down this journey seem to be. I've read through the tutorial, personal value equation, and the temperature considerations (among many, many other threads). My hope is to post what I think may be right for me and solicit some expert opinions. First the sleepers, then the specs.

Sleeper 1 (me): 37m, 6'1", 175lbs, combo side and back - I prefer to be on my sides but do wake up on my back about 50% of the time, never stomach; Broad shoulders; hot sleeper; prefer plush/soft top (slept on a Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme (the old version) for 8 years and loved the softer feel).; currently on a crappy spring mattress (a low tier simmons) with a thick memory foam topper (something basic from amazon) that makes it barely bearable; i frequently wake up with a sore shoulder, and can get low back pain on the occasion I sleep longer than 7 hours or so.
Sleeper 2 (gf): 28f, 5'7", 145lbs, combo side and back; wider hips, also sleeps very hot; not as much as a princess as I am about the comfort but she does like a medium to medium-soft feel, no body pains with sleep.

I'd really like to go DIY for the cost savings, but I'm ok spending for quality materials. We tested out Tuft and Needle's line recently. The Mint was meh, too firm for both us. The hybrid got closer but still not enough hug or give for side sleeping on broad shoulders. If I'm spending upwards of $1600-1700 for what I now know are heavily marketed and under quality beds, I would be thrilled to build something myself for a comparable price point.

PPP:
Slow or fast response materials: to be honest I'm not sure, but it doesn't immediately matter much to me
Sleeping "on" vs "in" the mattress: "IN" the mattress
Motion isolation: This is important for us; doesn't have to be a dead stop on motion but we both adjust throughout the night
The ease of movement: the bounce for sex is nice, but would be willing to sacrifice some of that if motion and comfort are optimized; otherwise ease of movement doesn't matter for us
Edge support: with a King, hopefully it wont matter much, not super high on the priority list
"Roll together:" we both sleep hot so hopefully we are not rolling togeher
Overall "feel": best feel I've enjoyed is the Tempur Cloud Supreme (or even Luxe), but I'm intrigued by latex if it can sleep a little cooler or be more durable, definitely like the PLUSH feel
Durability of materials in the mattress: if paying close to $2000 means better durability combined with great comfort, I'm here for it
Durability of construction (such as one or two sided): I'm open to either
Quality and performance of materials and construction: not sure how to answer this, really want to optimize comfort and heat
Ability to open the mattress and exchange layers or make changes after purchase: with DIY, this would be ideal
Warranty and warranty exclusions (which are often more important then the warranty itself): would be nice
Budget limitations and range: $2000 ceiling, though would slightly break it if we were close on the rest
Mattress only or foundation included (and the type): probably mattress only, my girlfriend is much more particular about picking a frame/foundation that's aesthetically pleasing to her
Natural materials vs synthetic: not a big sticking point
The type of cover and quilting (if any) you prefer: I've read the stretched knit connects you most to the comfort layer?

I did use SleepEZ's calculator to come up with basic layered considerations, which were (top down):
Soft (Natural Talalay, 3", 19-22 ILD) with stretch cotton cover
Medium (Dunlop, 3", 30-32 ILD)
Firm (Dunlop, 3", 37-40 ILD)
Cotton/wool cover for bottom 6"
Total Price: $1464
edit: Talked to Richard at Sleep EZ (super helpful guy!), and he said they could custom the Soft Talalay to a lower ILD, but that would decrease it's life (3-5 years). If that improves the plush feel and it's the only thing I'll replace over the next 5 years, it may be worth it?

I know I have mentioned the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme (memory foam), and I've seen Phoenix mention it might be best to stick with a material you know. That makes me consider a 4" Memory Foam topper:
PostureSense foam, 4.5lb density, 4" thickness, I don't see an ILD anywhere?
www.foamorder.com/toppers/foam-mattress-topper.html

If the latex layers last a long time and replacing a plush topper every 4 or 5 years gets me to the plush but supported feel, I'd be ok with that.

For what it's worth, I live in Durham, NC (close to Raleigh, NC), zip 27707

I've looked around at different sites as well, but was hoping for some initial feedback before putting together a ton of configurations if I seem way off track based on my preferences. Thanks so much to anyone who can help guide!
02 Sep 2020 12:52
  • Herbal Tea
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Thank you for creating this website! I’ve learned a lot over the past few months, and I feel like I’m finally ready to purchase a latex mattress.

My family and I returned to the U.S. two years ago after living abroad in China for almost a decade, and when we came back, we were overwhelmed by all the mattress choices in the department stores we visited. After a while, it was hard to distinguish between the different beds, and I had a hard time wanting to commit to any of them. I was afraid of choosing poorly since we have slept on A LOT of mediocre mattresses over the years due to our somewhat nomadic lifestyle. I was inclined to purchase a really good mattress in the hopes that it would be a “one and done” sort of affair and I wouldn’t have to think about it anymore. We had spent the last year in China apartment sitting for a family who let us use their Sleep Number bed, but neither my husband nor I liked it as much as the cheap coil bed we purchased from IKEA some years before. We felt like our years living in Asia helped us gravitate towards firm beds because whenever we returned to the U.S. in the summertime and stayed at friends’ houses, we encountered soft, saggy, unsupportive mattresses. Anyway, I started to become convinced that maybe a Tempurpedic mattress would be the sort of big investment that would be worthwhile. The ones we tried in the store certainly felt interesting, but I wasn’t sure that I would like to experience that feeling of sinking into the bed each night, plus the price tag scared me. Because we had just moved back to the country and needed to pick SOMETHING, we decided to buy a queen-sized Tuft & Needle mattress. My husband and I decided that we would see how it held up, knowing that we could relegate it to the guest bedroom down the line once we had done some more research on mattresses.

Since we bought our first house this summer and finally have a guest bedroom, we’ve decided that we do want to upgrade our own mattress. The T&N is okay and I have no qualms about letting guests use it since it still outshines a lot of the other ones we’ve slept on, but it isn’t offering us the kind of support that we feel we need night after night. I’m starting to feel like a swayback donkey when I get out of bed, and my husband has some back issues stemming from minor scoliosis that seem to be aggravated by the mattress.

Here are our stats:
I am a stomach and side sleeper. I’m 5’7” and 140 lbs. (BMI 21.9)
My husband is a side and back sleeper. He’s 5’9” and 185 lbs. (BMI 27.3)

I’ve read the Mattress Shopping Tutorial and a lot of forum posts. I also went through and looked at each of the trusted members’ sites, trying to get a baseline for what a similar queen latex mattress would cost from each place. I made a spreadsheet with this data, hoping it would help me narrow my choice.

We live in Iowa, so our options for trying out latex mattresses are limited. We visited a Lebeda Mattress Factory in Cedar Rapids. They had some latex hybrids and one that they call the Talalay Plush 2, but I couldn’t get details from the sales representative about what was inside each mattress. Denver Mattress Factory has some latex hybrids as well, but none were in stock to try.

All of that to say, after learning about latex mattresses from this website and having limited experience trying them out, I feel pretty comfortable going ahead and buying one sight unseen from one of the trusted members on this site. I really like the idea of being able to change out mattress components as they age without having to throw away the whole thing. As a result, I’m leaning towards doing a DIY mattress from Arizona Premium Mattress. In fact, I talked with Ken several months ago about what he thought would work well for us. His suggestions (medium Dunlop core, blended talalay topper #28 IDL, cotton cover) were different enough from my initial shopping cart (firm Dunlop core, all natural talalay topper, wool cover) that I decided to mull it over since I was busy preparing to move. Now that we’re more settled in our house, I’d like go ahead and purchase a mattress. I guess I’m still hesitating a bit because I can’t feel the mattress and because I still have it in my mind that we want a firm mattress, so it seems a little risky to go with medium support. I thought I’d go ahead and post here and see what feedback and suggestions I get!
15 Jul 2020 09:11
  • jk1022
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First off I would like to apologize if this is in the wrong section. I wanted to put this in the "general mattress questions" category, but I couldn't figure out how to do that - it didn't seem to be an option for me.

As the title says, I am in desperate need of a new mattress. I am so grateful to have found this site, but I am also feeling so overwhelmed. I'm hoping to find some guidance in what direction to go in.

My current mattress is 12 years old. It is a cheap foam mattress I bought off of Overstock as a broke, recently laid-off, 20-something. I couldn't even tell you what kind of foam it is, but it definitely is time for it to go.

I'm looking for something suitable for both my husband and myself. He is 5'9", about 185lbs, primarily a side sleeper and sometimes a back-sleeper (maybe 70% side, 30% back). I am 5'2", 112lbs, primarily a back sleeper, sometimes a side sleeper (maybe 85% back, 15% side). We both experience neck, shoulder, and back pain. This is largely due to our physical activity, but I think our mattress contributes as well. We've both definitely woken up sore and achey. We both struggle to get comfortable and fall asleep, and I don't think either of us wakes up feeling particularly refreshed. Our budget is about $700. (I know as far as mattresses go, $700 is low. :-/ But, I'm still hoping to find the best quality possible in that range.)

I know comfort is highly personal, and no one will be able to tell me "x" is the perfect mattress for you. I also know that ideally, we would go in-person to try out mattresses to see what we like. Unfortunately, we are in a position where going in-person to test isn't really an option right now but we definitely need a new mattress as soon as possible. We've basically reached our limit with this current mattress and can't stand it anymore.

We are looking primarily at foam mattresses, though not at all opposed to hybrids. What is really unfortunate is that neither of us really know what we like. Foam is fine, but would we like a hybrid more? I don't know. That being said, there don't seem to be a ton of hybrids in our price range, so I feel like that kind of decides that for us. Within the foam realm, I'm afraid I still can't say what we prefer. Memory foam? Latex? Poly? I know they all have different feels, but I don't know what we prefer. I realize how very difficult this makes the buying process, especially as we can't try things in-person. On the other hand, neither of us is all that picky so I feel like we'll probably be happy with just about any type of foam if the comfort is there (which again, I know is highly personal).

Other than the highly-subjective comfort factor, we don't have a lot of needs. He tends to sleep hot, so something cooler would be nice. He also tends to sleep close to the edge of the bed, so some edge support would also be nice. I realize though, those are two factors that are really rare in foam mattresses, particularly in our price range. So, as far as cooling and edge support goes, I'm really looking for a mattress that maybe offers a bit "more" than expected in those factors rather than amazing and perfect.

As of a few days ago, I had narrowed it down to:
- Bear Original (Celliant cover seems cool, but also maybe gimmicky. Edge support doesn't seem to be the greatest though, and it seems to not be all that cooling.)
- Nector (I was almost sold and ready to buy this one. Edge support seems to be better than a lot of foam, and it seems to be cooler than expected. BUT, the customer service seems to be awful, and I'm a bit weary about t the lack of information or specificity about the foam components from China and worry about quality.)
- Novaform ComfortGrane (Seems like it would be good, but I'm not sure it's the best we can get in our price range? I have read about it sagging/indenting very early on. Costco's customer service and return policy seem great though.)
- Tulo Medium (Again, seems OK, but I'm not sure if it's the best we can get in our price range. It is currently on sale for just $400, so the price is more than right, but I don't want to be swayed by cheap prices.)

The thing is, all of the above and resulting information came from all those mattress review sites that I now know may not be the sites to really trust. So, I'm feeling completely lost. I've basically looked at probably all of the internet "bed-in-box" companies, and honestly, none of them are completely off the table. In the back of my mind, I'm also considering Casper, and Tuft and Needle, and Helix, and Ghost Bed, and Purple, and Leesa, and Brooklyn Bedding...you get the picture. No company at all is off the table. I've just been looking at the internet bed-in-box ones because that's what is in my face, but I am completely open to any company that would be good. But there are just too many choices and options, and I'm facing complete analysis paralysis right now.

Part of me feels like I should just go ahead and buy a mattress, any mattress, because it seems virtually anything would be better than what we have now. But I don't want to make a hasty decision. Even with a low budget, I want to make and informed decision and get the best I can. And, even though so many of these companies offer "free" and "easy" returns, I would really rather NOT return a mattress (and it seems they're not so easy to return anyway). Right now, I find myself completely stuck in the research and analyzing phase, feeling completely overwhelmed by all the information and considerations, and I literally cannot make a decision. I would love for someone to just tell me to buy "x" mattress, but I know no one can do that, and I know even recommendations are unlikely due to the subjective nature of things (even though I want that, lol!). But in the absence of that, I've love it if anyone can provide any guidance!
10 Jul 2020 09:59
  • juniper44
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Thank you so much for this reply! I will check out all of those links. I don't know if this will be seen since I am months late getting back here but - I am a 5'7'' 135ish lb woman (so my BMI is about 21 and I am on the thinner side) and have somewhat prominent/bony hips and shoulders. I sleep on my side. I have pain issues related to an old neck and jaw injury and my entire spine goes out of alignment easily - this also means that it is better for me if a bed is on the bouncier side so that there is not a lot of force/effort involved in rolling over and moving around in bed (memory foam seems not the best for this but I am willing to change my mind). I unfortunately am not sure about brands as I have mostly been comfortable on older mattresses or just did not check the brands at the time. My working theory is that I tend to be more comfortable on beds where the way my body sinks in to the mattress is "general" - as in, the whole area around a pressure point like a hip bone sinks in - rather than how memory foam type mattresses seem to work, where your pressure points are sort of "cupped" by the mattress. I don't know if that makes sense, I do not have the vocabulary for this! Mail order mattresses that I have tried and not found comfortable include the Tuft&Needle, Nolah and the softest version of the Helix. I have also tried soft and medium padded but not plush innerspring mattresses from Mattress Firm, but am forgetting the brands at the moment. I would love any suggestions or direction at all, thank you!!
05 Jul 2020 07:42
  • camcdona
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So... my wife and I have finally opted to retire our 20 year old Jamison dual pillowtop and upgrade our furniture situation. We've started looking at mattresses, laid on quite a few, but are still not sure which direction to go. The mattress industry has changed a LOT since we purchased our last mattress!

Looking for a little guidance from some pros...

The wife and I are both around 180 lbs and primarily side sleepers, although my wife is occasionally a stomach sleeper also. I sleep hot, so something that will keep me cool is important. I also have a bad lower back, so support through my hips is something that I think should hopefully help.

I've been looking at reviews for quite a few mattresses and the Tuft & Needle Mint is really intriguing. I'm new to the "bed in a box" model and have never slept on a "luxury foam" product. Should it give me the support, cooling properties, and longevity I'm looking for?

Buying a mattress is an investment, but I also want to do this on "budget". Preferably staying under $1500.

What advice can you offer for a guy like me? I'm someone who pours over research and reviews for large purchases for months before pulling the trigger on something, but I don't have that kind of time... new furniture will be here on the 19th.

Any help, advice, pointers, etc... you can offer is GREATLY appreciated.
21 Jun 2020 21:08
  • Marshmallowforme
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There is a materials tab on the My Green Mattress page that I didn't see right away but it may help. However you should definitely talk to them if you have questions.

www.mygreenmattress.com/product/pure-echo/#1557367562712-d238ed95-742c
Soft, GOTS certified organic cotton quilted cover with GOTS certified organic wool sewn in underneath.
The wool in our quilted cover acts as a natural flame barrier allowing our mattresses to pass flame testing required by law without the use of dangerous chemical flame retardants.
Leggett & Platt Caliber-Edge pocketed coil spring system
682 coils; 8-inch tall springs; 13 3/4 gauge coils throughout the mattress surface
Edge Support – tighter coils along the edges of the mattress provide a firmer seating edge. With proper support across the entire mattress you can sleep from edge to edge and top to bottom. Steel springs will last up to 4 times longer than a foam support edge
Reduces motion transfer – Each fabric encased coil moves independently to allow deep sleep even when your partner moves.
Recyclable – Metal springs can be recycled. Some states including California have implemented mattress recycling programs that we are proud to participate in.
Comfortable – Individual coils react to body shape and weight to keep pressure off your bones and joints.
Heavyweight organic cotton batting.
Needle-punched organic cotton insulator pads.
Mattress may be placed on the floor, on a traditional foundation, platform bed (with slats under 3.5 inches apart) or adjustable bed base.
Button-tufted design secures layers together without use of adhesives.
Firmness level: firm.

The Naturepedic EOS pillowtop is an Ok mattress.
What I like about it:
Top quality materials. No mystery foam. No odor. Very customizable should we want to change something in the future. Company was easy to work with.
What I don't like about it:
TwinXL is short. 77" or 78". If I'd known that twinXLs weren't a full 80" I would have thought harder about getting two fullXL or queen adjustable beds. But we don't really have the room for that in the bedroom. And by the time we found out about the twinXLs being so short we had bought the bases, new sheets, mattress pads, mattress encasement, customized the leg height of the bases etc. so switching to queen or fullXL (which I wasn't sure I could get sheets for) seemed too hard.

My husband loves his. Mine is OK. I kind of liked the Joybed better but it is a much less quality bed. You really felt the springs at first but after I adjusted to it I was more comfortable. However they did not put any materials list on the two we had, even though I asked them to make sure the second one complied with federal law that says the materials must be listed. And both of them were short. The first one had no odor. The second one had an odor that persisted until we had it hauled away but the donation charity. I don't like mystery materials in my mattress. They offered to send a third but my husband was fed up. It is not easy unpacking and setting these things up. Plus when they keep replacing them you have to store the unused old ones until you can get a charity to come pick it up. He figured they would just send another unlabeled one that was too short so he wanted to move on.

The MyGreenMattress Natural Escape crippled me. As in took my body out of functioning for at least a month. I'm not sure of the time frame now as I have tried to block it from my memory. I think it was the extra firm zoned coils under my hips. I only spend one night on it and I was in such agony I rolled over to my husband's side and made him move to mine in the middle of the night. He hated that mattress also even after putting two additional 2" latex toppers on it. So 4" extra of latex.

But as I said we bought the Pure Echo for my mom and she loves it. My uncle tried it too and is going to buy himself one. My girlfriend bought the Kiwi and put her own latex topper on it and loves that one also. So for My Green Mattress stick with any of the ones that don't have zoning is my recommendation.

For us we bought only one twinXL at a time so we could see if we liked it. Once we both decided on a Naturepedic Pillowtop we then bought the second one. This was supposed to reduce the amount of unpacking, setting up and donating that we had to do while we tried the mattresses out. But it didn't for Joybed and Naturepedic because they both send us twin mattress sizes that were labeled as twinXLs.
07 Apr 2020 09:54
  • AKelsey
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Hello,
I am a lightweight (125lbs) side sleeper with back issues. I have scoliosis so I really need a mattress that is going to keep me supported and offer pressure relief. My boyfriend is a lightweight (145lbs) stomach sleeper. Since we both need such opposite things, I'm having a hard time finding a mattress that will work for both of us. We only want a queen so a split isn't really an option either. I have slightly narrowed it down to the Helix line (moonlight or midnight, can't decide), the casper, the zotto, the tuft and needle mint, or the amerisleep 3 (as3). My boyfriend can give a little more on the firmness because he sometimes sleeps on his side as well, and my back issues are more important in this decision. I am thinking we should go with a mattress firmness of 5, but not sure because we are both so lightweight. Should we go with a 4 or 4.5 or will that be too soft for him? I was pretty decided on the casper but worried it will be too firm for me. HELP!

Thanks so much,
Alexys
09 Mar 2020 20:38
  • gusterbrown
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I've been driving myself up the wall about replacing a 3 year old Tuft and Needle that has been killing my back. Was set on a Tempur because it's the only bed I have heard positive reviews from after a few years of use. I've read this site enough over the years to know the value concerns, though. Have there been any reviews of City Mattress's King's Touch model? That seems like a potential alternative. It says that it has 8 inches of HD foam...does the use of "HD" have a specific definition in the industry, or would I need more information to see if it meets the density recommendation (which I think is >4). Any thoughts there?

Thanks for all that you do here.
03 Mar 2020 16:52
  • Sensei
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Hey Endymion,

Welcome to the TMU forum and thanks for you question.

I'm looking to replace my 12-year-old Sealy innerspring mattress in size twin xl. Apart from the general life expectancy clearly having been reached and surpassed, there is a slightly noticeable sag in the mid-section of the mattress. I am 6' 2", weigh 175 pounds, and am quite physically active. Recently, I've begun experiencing back pain in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my spine. Physical therapy has helped, but I imagine a new mattress will contribute greatly to pain alleviation.


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :cheer: ! Agreed, 12 years of use is quite awhile for a mattress and often is the point where normal wear of components can lead to physical symptoms for the user. Hopefully your symptoms are temporary due to your current sleep environment and PT will help alleviate them while your mattress research is underway.

Most of my considerations for a replacement mattress have been of the hybrid variety, and I've leaned more toward the latex hybrids after hearing that they sleep cooler than the memory foam hybrids. I tend to be a stomach sleeper (knowing full well that this least healthy of positions probably contributes to my back pain), but occasionally I veer into combo sleeping between stomach and back. To give a brief sense of the mattresses I have considered and eliminated, here is a pretty exhaustive list: the King Koil hybrid, the Leesa Hybrid, Helix Dusk (considered but not tried in person), the Purple mattress, Stearns and Foster, Serta, Sealy, Aireloom, Saatva hybrid, Winkbed (again, not in person), the Casper hybrid, Bear Hybrid (not in person), Dreamcloud, Avocado, My Green Mattress, Beautyrest, and Tuft & Needle (not in person). The two that seem best suited to my needs are the Nest Latex Hybrid, which I tried out in person, and Brooklyn Bedding's Bloom Hybrid.


Fantastic work, Endymion! Good to hear that you have some local resources for site visits and mattress testing comparisons. It sounds as though you have done a good job researching your options and have identified those most closely suited to your personal preferences/ PPP. While I haven't shared this link in awhile, for other consumers who may be following your post, Phoenix's Mattress Shopping Tutorial ,a comprehensive guide for making the best quality/ value choice in mattresses is a useful resource for those beginning their search.

I've been in contact with both companies, and they have been extremely helpful and never exert the high-pressure tactics of many showroom salespeople. However, I am having difficulty identifying which mattress design would be superior for my purposes (spine alignment, sleeps cool, feeling of sleep "on" the bed). Many sites say talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop but that dunlop is denser and more supportive (a plus in my case).


Both talalay and dunlop are types of latex foams. Talalay has a springy, "uplifting" feel while dunlop's feel is, as you said, "firmer" and more supportive. Latex is also the most breathable of all foams, an important part of temperature regulation for those who tend to sleep hot. Because even in the softer versions of latex, it has a higher resilience and is more "supportive" than other foams and also helps support the more recessed areas of your body, such as the lumbar, that need "filling in" and are not in close contact with the firmer support layers underneath.

I was able to confirm from each company some additional specs: the Bloom hybrid twin xl weigh 75 pounds and contains approximately 582 coils; the Nest hybrid twin xl weighs 95 pounds and contains 420 coils. Is the coil count differential indicative of quality in this case? Likewise, is the additional weight in the Nest due to the supposedly heavier dunlop latex?


I did a little investigating online on specs for both the Nest Latex Hybrid and BB Bloom Hybrid. According to Nest Bedding's site, the Nest Latex Hybrid has a 3" dunlop comfort layer over 6" pocketed coils, with a 1" 1.5lb foam layer above and below the coils. While the coil count wasn't specified, the twin XL mattress weight is listed at 65 lbs (for comparison, the queen size is listed at 100 lbs), doubtful that the 95 lb number you have is accurate. The BB site lists its Bloom Hybrid as having 3" of talalay, 8" pocketed coils with a 1" high-density foam base, weighing in at the 75 lbs you cited above. Their weights are quite close if the website comparisons are accurate.

Both companies have great reputations (Brooklyn Bedding having been around since 1995; Nest since 2011), with generous trial periods. However, as with most customers, I'd rather make the right choice out of the gate and not have to deal with the returns process. Lastly, there is a Nest showroom in my area -- do any of the above-mentioned factors tip the balance in favor of one or the other?


Agreed, both have generous "risk-free" sleep trials, allowing you to have the option to make a comfort exchange should your initial layering not be quite as you expected. And both companies offer quality components and support, @Nest Bedding being a trusted member could offer a bit of a discount to you as a TMU consumer subscriber, should that be the way you decide to go. Ultimately, the choice of what is best for you will be for you to decide…

I am moving your post to the General Forum, where other consumer subscribers and trusted members can offer their thoughts. Keep us posted on your research when you have time and looking forward to hearing about your decision.

Cheers,
Sensei
01 Mar 2020 10:16
  • Endymion
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Hello,
I've been researching new mattresses for about a month (and getting mired in the countless details that I never dreamed existed around types of mattresses, construction, etc.). First, some background. I'm looking to replace my 12-year-old Sealy innerspring mattress in size twin xl. Apart from the general life expectancy clearly having been reached and surpassed, there is a slightly noticeable sag in the mid-section of the mattress. I am 6' 2", weigh 175 pounds, and am quite physically active. Recently, I've begun experiencing back pain in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my spine. Physical therapy has helped, but I imagine a new mattress will contribute greatly to pain alleviation.

Most of my considerations for a replacement mattress have been of the hybrid variety, and I've leaned more toward the latex hybrids after hearing that they sleep cooler than the memory foam hybrids. I tend to be a stomach sleeper (knowing full well that this least healthy of positions probably contributes to my back pain), but occasionally I veer into combo sleeping between stomach and back. To give a brief sense of the mattresses I have considered and eliminated, here is a pretty exhaustive list: the King Koil hybrid, the Leesa Hybrid, Helix Dusk (considered but not tried in person), the Purple mattress, Stearns and Foster, Serta, Sealy, Aireloom, Saatva hybrid, Winkbed (again, not in person), the Casper hybrid, Bear Hybrid (not in person), Dreamcloud, Avocado, My Green Mattress, Beautyrest, and Tuft & Needle (not in person). The two that seem best suited to my needs are the Nest Latex Hybrid, which I tried out in person, and Brooklyn Bedding's Bloom Hybrid.

Both mattresses have a similar design, though the Bloom uses talalay latex while the Nest uses dunlop. Nest also has 6-inch coils while the Bloom has 8-inch coils. I've been in contact with both companies, and they have been extremely helpful and never exert the high-pressure tactics of many showroom salespeople. However, I am having difficulty identifying which mattress design would be superior for my purposes (spine alignment, sleeps cool, feeling of sleep "on" the bed). Many sites say talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop but that dunlop is denser and more supportive (a plus in my case). I was able to confirm from each company some additional specs: the Bloom hybrid twin xl weigh 75 pounds and contains approximately 582 coils; the Nest hybrid twin xl weighs 95 pounds and contains 420 coils. Is the coil count differential indicative of quality in this case? Likewise, is the additional weight in the Nest due to the supposedly heavier dunlop latex? I did mention to the salespeople that I have a mild latex allergy, but they assured me that the treatment process of the latex removes something along the lines of 99.9% of all allergens that trigger latex allergies in people.

Both companies have great reputations (Brooklyn Bedding having been around since 1995; Nest since 2011), with generous trial periods. However, as with most customers, I'd rather make the right choice out of the gate and not have to deal with the returns process. Lastly, there is a Nest showroom in my area -- do any of the above-mentioned factors tip the balance in favor of one or the other? I know the decision ultimately comes down to me, but at this point I could use the guidance of an expert or fellow mattress shoppers!

Many thanks.
19 Jan 2020 13:17
  • KaMrtnz
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Hi,
I'm a new member, and I am adding to this thread since the New Topic option is currently unavailable and this topic seems most like my question.

Some background:
We have been in search for a new mattress for a few years. We have tried an all foam (Tuft and Needle), and some hybrids (Amore Bed and another one I can't remember). We didn't like any of them. My husband prefers firm, I prefer soft, so we were considering some dual sided mattresses before we finally splurged (for us) on a Sleep Number. We bought the cheapest model because our budget was only about $1K. My husband was done with mattress shopping so we went ahead and bought the clearance model that we can't return. We almost instantly regretted it! We got a 4" topper at Sams (3" memory foam, 1" down alternative) that helps a little with comfort. Now that I've done a little research on here and learned about the core and comfort layers, I feel like, for me, I need a better or more comfort layers to relieve pressure points. The topper we bought doesn't cut it. I also sleep hot, but that's not as big of a deal for me as the pressure points.

So - should we find a better topper or more to relieve pressure points?
Or - should we try to sell/scrap the sleep number and try something different? If you have any suggestions for what might work for us with our dual preferences, please share!
12 Jan 2020 12:25
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Hey mtu1912,

Thanks for sharing your mattress shopping research with the TMU Forum , appreciate the objective reporting you've done these past several weeks.

Greetings -- just wanted to close the loop here. We ended up going with a different vendor. In the end, we just couldn't find a match with Nest.


Congrats on the purchase of your new mattress :cheer: ! Sorry to hear that you weren't able to find a "match" with Nest Bedding , know that they have been chatting with you here regarding questions/ concerns you had while shopping several of their mattresses. Thanks to @brooke for the quick follow up responses. Looks like you've identified some training opportunities, glad to hear you will be addressing those.

One update on your original post, Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options, post #106 , I forwarded this quote to Team Luma regarding the absence of warranty information on their web site:

So far, the best warranties I've seen, vis-a-vis "body impressions", are from Tuft and Needle (3/4") and Luma (1/2", though for some reason, you have to ask Luma for the warranty document, as they don't publish it). Those figures seem to indicate higher confidence in the resistance to cratering, though T&N is unfortunately not transparent about their materials.


The Luma Sleep site has been updated and now includes downloadable .pdfs for both the 10 year and 15 year product warranties, this is the download link for others who may be interested, thanks mtu1912 for pointing that out.

Looking forward to updates on your new mattress and hope you both are on a path to better sleep.

Cheers,
Sensei :)
03 Jan 2020 09:50
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Hey Lokenzal,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

I understand that most mattress review sites are junk, but what about consumer reports? They are well established and as far as I'm aware have a good reputation. They have a lot of cheaper mattresses well rated and I'm curious if they can be trusted in their reviews of mattresses.


Here are some thoughts from a previous Phoenix post that best expresses our views on the CR topic, post #2 here :

You can also see my comments about the Consumer Reports mattress ratings and recommendations in post #2 here and in this topic . While they may be a good source of information about more "objective" purchases ... as you can see I would consider them to be an unreliable source of information or guidance about purchasing a mattress and their "ratings" are somewhat nonsensical and meaningless. My thoughts are also shared by most of the more knowledgeable people in the industry (see post #5 here for an example).

While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful, I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you.


Thanks,
Sensei
29 Dec 2019 00:11
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Greetings --
Apologies if this thread is getting a little overscoped. I'm posting here due to the involvement of Nest reps and the fact that I don't seem to have an option to start a new thread.

We are currently about 5 weeks into ownership of a Caspar Wave Hybrid, purchased when we were desperate and had not yet discovered this site. It's a pretty good mattress, but doesn't quite accommodate my side-sleeping mate (5'2", 180) correctly. We now have a much better idea of how to test that -- thank you, TMU. The Wave has also already begun to form slight valleys, though I can't tell yet if it's a problem -- about 1/8" max in both our sleeping positions, but that hasn't increased since week #1, so maybe it's just the quilting layer and wouldn't matter long term. That part is a sore subject in our house -- more on that below.

After better educating ourselves here, we've auditioned several others in showrooms recently, and have found some interesting things. First, the 4" Purple seems to work very well for her. I mention the Purple because it provides a reference point -- her shoulders and hips sink in just perfectly with no pressure points, as designed, and the lumbar feels well supported in between. That's the problem we've been trying to solve, and the Purple works like it's supposed to in that regard. Unfortunately, in addition to being very expensive, that type of material has significant downsides which we don't like (well documented elsewhere).

It turns out that the Nest natural hybrid latex, in plush, seems to be nearly as good at that, without the downsides of the buckling column gel. That, plus the benefit of the horizontal split (I'm all over the place and like my side a little firmer), makes it a very attractive option. We also like the replaceability of the comfort layer -- a big plus down the road. Finally, I can't say I've ever encountered mattress store personnel nearly as willing to take time to help and answer detailed questions as Nick at your Seattle store was.

So, I have a few questions:
  • The product page for this mattress currently says the 3" replaceable layer is 27 ILD. Is it safe to assume that's the medium? What are the ILDs for the firm and soft? I'm just trying to relate the feel we perceived to the numbers published, to better understand what they mean.
  • I'm very puzzled by the apparent disconnect between the blog post on Nest's site which claims that "body impressions" should not happen (www.nestbedding.com/blogs/news/6836230-why-did-my-bed-get-a-body-impression-and-how-to-prevent-it), against Nest's published warranty, which allows up to 1" sag before a claim will be honored.

We were badly disappointed by a Sealy Diamond Supreme which had completely failed structurally at only 4 years -- it not only had measured 1" depressions, but the sides were visibly bulged outward, indicating a significant material failure. (Mind you, we're not that big -- BMIs of just below and just above 30). Sealy's warranty only covers 1.5" sag. To say we're a little sensitive to this issue would be fair. We were tired of sleeping in valleys with a mountain between us.

So far, the best warranties I've seen, vis-a-vis "body impressions", are from Tuft and Needle (3/4") and Luma (1/2", though for some reason, you have to ask Luma for the warranty document, as they don't publish it). Those figures seem to indicate higher confidence in the resistance to cratering, though T&N is unfortunately not transparent about their materials.

We'd be interested in thoughts on this, from Nest as well as other experienced folks. We'd like to calibrate our expectations appropriately, because sleeping in craters made us very grumpy!

TMU: thank you very much for this site. I know that running a forum can be thankless, and it can be a lot of labor. Objective information is very refreshing and very welcome -- you've done consumers a tremendous service.
09 Nov 2019 14:37
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Hey gamafn,

Welcome back to the Mattress Forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

We are both now officially active senior citizens with the associated arthritis and joint aches. Our current mattress is a 9-year-old firm memory foam, and it’s time to move on to a more pressure-relieving alternative. We are both under 30 BMI side-sleepers, our budget is $1000, and we have no problem with beds in a box. Have reviewed both Nectar and Tuft & Needle models but there seems to be a considerable lack of consensus in online reviews. Need model alternative advice. Thanks.


Just curious, what size mattress are you looking for and where are you located? Several of our trusted retail/ manufacturer members offer Bed In a Box solutions and offer a bit of a discount to our TMU consumer members, something to consider…

Have you read TMU's " Mattress comfort layers- Overview "? You may find this information interesting while researching your new mattress purchase. Of interest too would be this Ultimate Dream mattress firmness level post #2 where Phoenix discusses one of the most common questions on the forum (which mattress type or firmness level would be better for me?). Also you may want to check out Five steps to your perfect mattress- Comfort and pressure relief , another helpful guide for researching comfort layer materials and thicknesses.

Thanks,

Sensei
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