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08 Aug 2017 11:24
  • phoenix
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Hi whitesox20,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

You bring up quite a few points, so I think the best way for me to assist you is to suggest to you a more efficient/objective way to select a mattress, and being with a “tabula rasa”, at least as it relates to shopping for a mattress.

First of all, you bring up very valid concerns about “reviews” and “review sites” in general (which really tend to be more revenue sites than accurate disseminators of objective information). While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful, I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or “reviews” on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or “review sites” in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

While some consumer reviewers are certainly well meaning and because most reviews aren't relevant to anyone but the reviewer and can be "influenced" so easily and in so many ways, for the most part (with only few exceptions) mattress reviews are a classic example of garbage in / garbage out even though the "garbage" may be well meaning and true to the experience of the person writing the review.

As for selecting a mattress, the focus of this site is teaching people "how" to choose a mattress, as it's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I'd suggest you start your research by reading the mattress shopping tutorial here and two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

In its simplest form ... choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight/BMI range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

As you’re considering online mattresses, when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

You mentioned you like a good value (me too!). While price is certainly important of course, the "value" of a mattress purchase is what is most important and price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "calculate" the value of a mattress because there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value". The value of a mattress purchase is also relative to how a mattress compares to the other finalists you are considering or to other mattresses that are available to you in your area (or online if you are also considering online options). There are many reasons that a mattress that may be "good value" for one person or in one area of the country may not be good value for someone else that has very different needs and preferences or that lives in a different area. There is more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

Regarding the online mattresses you mentioned, they are all products listed in post #2 of the Simplified Choice Thread here , so their specifications are easy to find and compare to the durability guidelines I linked to earlier in this reply.

I can offer a few more specific comments on the models you mentioned.

Brooklyn Bedding - Overall looks like good quality materials from my readings. I'm not sure about the TitanFlex foam.


The TitanFlex is a very durable and high quality 4 lb polyfoam which has a resilience similar to latex. Whether or not you would like this feel of course is subjective, so like with any online purchase you’d want to become familiar with any potential return/exchange policies, should your choice not turn out as well as you had hoped.

Tuft&Needle - Was very interested in this until they raised prices to $675. Not sure if it would be
worth it at that price point. I'm worried about edge support with this as I sleep on the edge.


There are some comments about edge support within foam mattresses in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

Love&Sleep - Pretty interested in this. Seems like a really good value. I'm worried about edge support with this as I sleep on the edge.


See my earlier comments about mattress “value” as well as my link above about edge reinforcement systems in foam mattresses.

GhostBed - Know someone who actually bought this and loved it. Idk if I like the price or not.


It’s wonderful that you know someone who enjoys this mattress, but that should have no bearing on whether or not it is an appropriate choice for yourself (see thoughts earlier in this post regarding “reviews”).

Addable - Love the value here, hesitant because the value is so good!


Read about the specifications of the product and make your decision based upon that information.

Nectar mattress - I'm very interested in this mattress, but it almost seems like a scam. The reviews by sleepopolis and mattress insiders were amazing. But other reviews say customer support is terrible, and some people didn't even get their mattress.


You can read earlier in my linked information in this post about the lack of importance you should place in “review sites”. Regarding Nectar, you may perform a forum search here (just click on the link) and it will bring up more information about them. As for fulfilment complaints, I too have run across similar issues and concerns from industry professionals regarding this, and combined with the specifications of the product I would advise caution with this particular product.

I hope all of that information is helpful to you.

Phoenix
08 Aug 2017 06:23
  • sunyata
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I've noticed while reading real reviews online that a lot of people complain about simplified choice mattresses being too firm. I'm still on a Tuft and Needle from 2013 and I can't believe how terrible it is.

It's obvious the online model uses as much marketing and confusion as the mattress stores. But I do wonder about the different ways in which logistics and organizational structure might affect the product that they are capable of producing. Do you think there is something about the online-only model which limits these companies to selling somewhat to very firm mattresses? Is it harder to make a high-quality soft mattress?

Sadly, the most comfortable in-store mattresses I tried, in my opinion, were the Tempurs and Beautyrest memory foam mattresses in the 4k range. Low in "value" as they are, my guess is there is nothing like them online... much less compressed into a box.
07 Aug 2017 18:54
  • whitesox20
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Hello, I'm looking to purchase a new mattress. I'm highly overwhelmed by the number of mattresses that have good reviews. It is hard to tell which reviews are real, and which are fake at this point. Can't tell who is affiliated with who, etc. I've been reading on this forum and the stickies were helpful. I'm currently sleeping on a $200 signature sleep memory foam and all I know is I need a new mattress. I constantly am having a sore lower back when I wake up in the morning. This pain usually goes away through out the day. I'm not sure what firmness of mattress I prefer or type of foam I want. I basically am looking for something that is going to treat my back/body well. There will also be someone else around 165 pounds sleeping in the bed with me (I'm 150). Also, I LOVE a good value. I'm not opposed to spending more money if I HAVE too, but prefer a good deal.

Here are the current mattresses I'm leaning towards.

Brooklyn Bedding - Overall looks like good quality materials from my readings. I'm not sure about the TitanFlex foam.

Tuft&Needle - Was very interested in this until they raised prices to $675. Not sure if it would be
worth it at that price point. I'm worried about edge support with this as I sleep on the edge.

Love&Sleep - Pretty interested in this. Seems like a really good value. I'm worried about edge support with this as I sleep on the edge.

GhostBed - Know someone who actually bought this and loved it. Idk if I like the price or not.

Addable - Love the value here, hesitant because the value is so good!

Nectar mattress - I'm very interested in this mattress, but it almost seems like a scam. The reviews by sleepopolis and mattress insiders were amazing. But other reviews say customer support is terrible, and some people didn't even get their mattress.

I'm also open to other recommendations. It is hard for me to pick something because I don't have too many preferences. All I know right now is I want something that will be good to my body, that will last, good edge support, and comfortable. Also I'm a side sleeper.
21 Jul 2017 17:12
  • Scallawalla
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I went with a 2" medium latex topper (ordered at FoamOrder.Com) on top of the combi-zone. It was an improvement over my previous mattresses (Medallion air mattress and Tuft and Needle). The problems with the previous mattresses were: 1) pinching in my shoulder/neck, 2) tossing and turning and overall discomfort, and 3) waking up with neck, shoulder, and back pain.

With the combi-zone + 2" medium latex topper, there is a huge improvement. Neck and shoulder pain are gone. (perhaps my new adjustable memory foam pillow helped also). I toss and turn much less. I can go all night sleeping on my back whereas that was impossible before. But I still experience some discomfort while sleeping and wake up with lower back pain.

I added 1" of 5.3 Lb memory foam (also from FoamOrder.Com) between the combi-zone and 2" latex topper. It feels more comfortable. But I still wake up with lower back pain.

I already have 3" of foam. My understanding is that adding more would be worse for back sleeping. What should be my next steps? Thanks.
09 Jul 2017 18:09
  • phoenix
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Hi mt_huckleberry,

As I stated in my previous reply, there are unfortunately far too many variables involved for me to predict what mattress model or brand may best suit your needs. I can only assist you with learning how to evaluate a product, but after that nothing will replace your own personal testing. There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved in choosing a mattress for someone else to make specific suggestions based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or theory at a distance that can possible be more accurate than your own careful and objective testing (using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) which is always the most reliable way to predict which mattress will be the best match for you in terms of PPP (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I or some of the more knowledgeable members of the site can help you to narrow down your options, help you focus on better quality/value choices that are available to you either locally or online, help you identify any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress, act as a fact check, answer many of the specific questions you may have along the way that don't involve what you will "feel" on a mattress, and help with "how" to choose but only you can decide which specific mattress, manufacturer, or combination of materials is "best for you" regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or whether anyone else (including me) would have the same criteria or circumstances or would make the same choice.

My BIG concern is whether they will be "too firm" for my shoulders ? ( I might also add that I am under 140# and am 5'5 so not a heavy person) At this point, I am comparing MyGreenMattress and Tuft and Needle mostly, with some consideration to others such as Purple, or ISO because of the two zones . Do you have any thoughts about those mattresses in relation to my primary concern above??


Unfortunately, there would be no way for me to know if any of these mattresses would be “too firm” for your shoulders – no one can predict your own personal preference via an online forum.

My Green Mattress ( a site member here, which means that I think highly of them), has quite a few mattress offerings, so being of a “slighter” build, you may wish to phone them and ask for their suggestion for one of their items that allows for better surface contouring to allow your shoulder to “sink in” a bit more while still providing good deep support. (I see in your follow-up post that you did exactly that – excellent!)

Tuft and Needle uses two different layers of polyfoam (you can see their specifications in the Simplified Choice thread here ), and the density of the foams would be suitable for someone of your BMI, but I wouldn’t know if you would enjoy the comfort.

The specifications of the Purple mattress are also listed in the simplified choice thread. It also features componentry that shouldn’t be an issue quality-wise for your BMI, but like the Tuft and Needle it comes in only one comfort choice.

OSO (also a site member here, and their specifications are listed in the simplified choice thread as well) does have the option, as you mentioned, to have a softer area under the shoulder zone and the density of the foams would be adequate for your BMI.

Phoenix
09 Jul 2017 13:08
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Hi Phonenix,

Thanks for your reply. I have pretty much over time looked at all of that which you posted. In my own post I thought I was providing background and stating some preferences (for types , price, and possibly more natural/green) rather than asking a lot of questions. What I really need is some recommendations between specific mattresses in the price range I am looking at. I know that ultimately no can predict exactly what will be best for my own unique issues and I know I need to talk to a couple of companies in more detail, but I would like more input and would like to narrow this down a bit more first.
I think that most of the mattresses that I have looked at would do well in terms of providing support for my hips while sleeping on my side. My BIG concern is whether they will be "too firm" for my shoulders ? ( I might also add that I am under 140# and am 5'5 so not a heavy person) At this point, I am comparing MyGreenMattress and Tuft and Needle mostly, with some consideration to others such as Purple, or ISO because of the two zones . Do you have any thoughts about those mattresses in relation to my primary concern above??

thank you.....
08 Jul 2017 14:29
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I am Soooooo confused as to what to get. Sadly and almost embarrassingly I have been sleeping for years on an inexpensive air mattress w/electric control. It had worked well for me for years because I could adjust the air to give me a lot of firmness for my hips. I am a side sleeper (or occasionally go partway to my stomach) and anytime i have been on a bed that didnt give me a lot of support in the hip area I would wake up in a couple of hours in a lot of pain. (Obversely I cant sleep on the floor or on the ground because its too hard!) But NOW I have for a while been having pretty moderate to sometimes severe issues with pain in my shoulders and while I cant really afford a new bed I feel I cant afford NOT getting one either. Clearly I feel that I still need a lot of support for my hips and at one point was going to follow reviews and good recommendations here for an all latex bed that was sold by Brooklyn Bedding at that time. Now I am wondering if I need something softer for my shoulders. My other two criteria along with firmness for my hips and soft/pressure relief for my shoulders is that I really need to try and keep this under $1000 ($1100 tops), AND if at all possible I would prefer a more natural organic mattress. For the right comfort I might sacrifice the latter however if I have to, plus I am aware of the cost issue there. I was looking at the Purple bed and was so attracted to that top layer because it resembled the really expensive intellibed well recommended by chiropractors, etc for support, health, and pain. But it looks like it may or may not be soft enough for my shoulders. I have also looked at Needle and Tuft and the Green Mattress . I do also need to add that something cooler is preferred and that I really dont like the density and sinking in of a memory foam mattress. ( did lie on a weightless temper pedic once in a store that I liked....It was the only memory foam one that I would have EVER considered in big brand conventional stores.... the regular memory foam) So with complex needs and cost considerations, I keep reading the same reviews, etc ...and dont know what of the above (or any other) might be best to try. All advise and suggestions welcome!!
27 Jun 2017 16:01
  • phoenix
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Hi Manimal,

wanted to see what you thought of this mattress- the "LazyCat 10.5 inch with OpenCell foam"-


I believe this is a mattress offered from Zinus, as many of the other Lazy Cat mattresses advertise “Green Tea”, which is commonly used by Zinus. Zinus has a Chinese factory and owns many brands which are often sold through big box stores and through various outlets under many names. These include Spa Sensations, Night Therapy, Vivon, Mattress in a box, Keetsa, and others. They are often lower density foams, but some like Spa Sensations and this particular Lazy Cat seem to use some better materials.

The base is 7” polyfoam that has channels/pads engineered into the top of it. You stated the density is 1.8-1.9 lb, so this would be a density appropriate for most individuals. This layer is not listed as CertiPUR-US certified on the Lazy Cat site, but it is listed as being certified on the amazon page. On top of that is 1.5” of Natural Dunlop latex (they don’t state if it is 100% NR or a blend, nor are any certifications listed). This would be a better material. On top of this is 1.5” of what I believe to be a “high-performance polyfoam” that is 2.8 lb in density, which is CertiPUR-US certified. There is more information about these “high-performance polyfoams” and their characteristics in post #2 here .

I would also read post #6 here about mattresses imported from Asia or China and which may have been compressed for long periods of time in either shipping or storage before being purchased and a forum search on Zinus (you can just click this) will bring up more information and feedback about some of their brands and mattresses. Being sourced in China make this somewhat of a risky purchase IMO.

I'm intrigued by the construction because it incorporates some really interesting/high quality materials such as the "HeiQ" cover


This is a fabric treatment that has been around since 2013 from HeiQ and used in mattress ticking by Bekaert. It uses body heat to assist with humidity control. As with many mattress fabric treatments, the efficacy of such technology can be diminished by the use of top-of-bed products placed on top of the mattress.

I'm trying to confirm what they use for the FRB and they only came back with "glass fiber" so far (I of course asked for clarification). *Update (they responded this evening): "Thank you for your email.We use this glass fiber between the foam and mattress cover.The glass fibers are made of various types of glass depending upon the fiberglass use. These glasses all contain silica or silicate, with varying amounts of oxides of calcium, magnesium, and sometimes boron. To be used in fiberglass, glass fibers have to be made with very low levels of defects. You can also find the introduction of glass fiber on wikipedia for your refrence."


Yes, it is difficult with the language barrier to discern what is actually being used. There were a few threads here and here describing some sort of a glass FR barrier that seemed to be used in Chinese mattresses, and someone made a complaint to the CPSC here about something similar, but I don’t know if that is the same as what is being described in your conversation. You’d probably want to acquire more accurate information.

Brooklyn Bedding's description of their FRB (available in the FAQ section on the site) is far more reassuring in my opinion: "We will never use any chemical fire sprays or chemical retardants in our mattresses. Brooklyn Bedding only uses the highest quality fire retardant socks material is made of Non-Woven Silica/Rayon/Polyester/Cotton Blend. For more information regarding FR fibers, feel free to research Jones Fiber."


Yes, I’d have more comfort in the accuracy and the componentry used in the Brooklyn Bedding BME.

Phoenix
15 Jun 2017 07:00
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I recently purchased and returned a Tuft & Needle mattress. I'm a tall, athletic build with broad shoulders and narrow hips, and found my hips sunk just a little too much relative to my upper body. Other than that, however, the mattress was excellent at isolating movement, made zero noise (on a platform) and was very breathable and comfy. The return process was very easy so trying it for yourself is hassle free.

I'm a light sleeper as well and something I've notice over the years it that frames on wheels and frames with slats will themselves move, and thus transfer that movement though the entirety of the mattress, negating the improved movement isolation of any mattress. Box springs will further exacerbate the problem. You didn't mention what your sleep surface is, but as solid a platform as possible will help with both movement and noise.
12 Jun 2017 15:41
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Hello,

Ok so I bought a tuft and needle mattress in Dec 2016 after going through a mess with 2 previous "new" mattresses offgassing and making me sick. I was finally happy I came across something that was not smelly and also a good price range. Now as far as what type of bed I perfer, it's kind of hard to say because I slept on a old bed for years and I just know that bed wasn't comfortable at all lol. But the T&N bed was sort of comfortable but at the same time I was getting lower back pain as well. I reached out to them and they sent me a 2" topper of the same polyfoam that's in the mattress.

The topper did make the bed softer and helped for alittle bit but then my back pain came back. So here's my problem, when I removed the topper, I was able to sleep a bit better without for about a week then the problem arise again, then it's back to adding the topper and getting relief, etc. It's like a cycle that I'm not understanding. Am I sinking in too much or is there not enough support? I'm on the thin side and I tend to sleep on my side.

This is such a pain because I do not wanna go through the mattress shopping task again and trying to find one that's not offgassing strongly and then checking the store return policy and yadda yadda. I really wouldn't prefer any foam mattress to be honest. Any suggestions/feedback would be helpful

Also want to add that my arms/hands tend to go numb often when laying across the bed, say with my arm bent and hand on my head. That's with & without the topper on.
05 Jun 2017 09:16
  • phoenix
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Hi wimasoho,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

I'm a very light sleeper and have lots of trouble getting to sleep every night (usually takes at least an hour to finally get to sleep) so everything from my wife moving, getting up or going to bed late, etc.. exacerbates this issue. I really liked the mattress once we got it as I feel my back pain has subsided and I do remember it being better at movement isolation than my previous spring mattress but 1 year later I notice that I can feel a lot of her movements and I'm thinking about getting a memory foam or Tempurpedic hoping it would help?


If motion isolation is your primary concern, I would start your focus on the base that you are using, as it can be a source of motion transfer issues. You can see if you notice a difference by placing the mattress directly upon the floor and see if there is less motion transfer.

If you are considering a memory foam style of mattress, they can be excellent at motion transfer minimization. However, if such a mattress is placed upon a base that is not extremely solid and of a decent mass, you will still notice some motion transfer, regardless of the mattress.

When considering a new mattress, I can’t help with “what” to choose, but I certainly can provide guidance as to the “how” to choose. The first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Any advice on where I should start narrowing down options? I read Tuft & Needle has a memory foam


Tuft and Needle does not use memory foam in their mattresses – it is polyfoam.

good reviews but I heard some people swear by Tempurpedics as well


I’d suggest you follow the guidelines I linked to above in selecting a mattress and avoid “reviews”. While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

I also thought about getting 2 twins since our bedframe is already 2 separate twins and leaving them slightly apart?


While that will isolate each person’s movement from the other, I still think you may experience some of your own motion with the type of frame you are using.

I read a few posts here suggesting Costco mattresses might not be the best quality? I like their no hassle return policies so would be a good starting point for me.


I recommend following the guidelines linked to earlier in this post and focusing upon the componentry within a mattress. While having a good return policy might be an important part of your personal value equation, you’re better off starting with a mattress using higher quality componentry and then hopefully not have to take advantage of any potential return plan (most online companies offer return policies). If you're considering looking online, you may wish to use the experience and expertise of the members listed in post #21 here who are all very experienced and knowledgeable and specialize in providing the type of help and guidance on the phone that can help you make good choices. There are a wide range of memory foam options included in the choices there and I believe that all of them compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency.

Hopefully this gives you a good starting point for your new search. If you have other questions after you’ve read through this material, I’ll be glad to do my best to be assistive.

Phoenix
04 Jun 2017 19:26
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Hi Scallawalla,

I have the combi-zone and like it very much. I am sleeping much better than on air or foam support layers. My neck and shoulder pain have reduced in just two nights. On top of the combi-zone, I have a 2" foam topper from Tuft and Needle called T&N Adaptive® Foam.


I’m glad you’re sleeping better on your new innerspring unit with the polyfoam topper from T&N.

But I like the combi-zone springs so much that I am considering a micro-coil topper on top of the combi-zone. I have found some micro-coil toppers that come with foam inside a case. But I would like to buy just the micro-coils (some may call them nano-coils)? Can you say where to find them?


I’m not personally aware of anyone selling the microcoils separately, but a good place to start would be calling some of the component suppliers listed here . That would be my best guess. And while I’ve seen web sites and manufacturers incorrectly use the terms interchangeably, microcoils are different from nanocoils . You’d most likely desire microcoils for use as a “topper”.

Phoenix
04 Jun 2017 18:57
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I ordered the BEAUTYREST RECHARGE WORLD CLASS PHILLIPSBURG FIRM from US Mattresses here www.us-mattress.com/simmons-wc-phillipsburg-firm.html about a year ago in King Size. We have it sitting on two of these: www.amazon.com/Zinus-SmartBase-Foundation-Replacement-Noise-Free/dp/B017YETIO8/

I'm a very light sleeper and have lots of trouble getting to sleep every night (usually takes at least an hour to finally get to sleep) so everything from my wife moving, getting up or going to bed late, etc.. exacerbates this issue. I really liked the mattress once we got it as I feel my back pain has subsided and I do remember it being better at movement isolation than my previous spring mattress but 1 year later I notice that I can feel a lot of her movements and I'm thinking about getting a memory foam or Tempurpedic hoping it would help?

Any advice on where I should start narrowing down options? I read Tuft & Needle has a memory foam with good reviews but I heard some people swear by Tempurpedics as well. I live in Manhattan so sleeping in a separate bedroom won't work. I also thought about getting 2 twins since our bedframe is already 2 separate twins and leaving them slightly apart? At this point I'd say money isn't the biggest concern here, I just want to find a mattress that works well for years to come as I value my sleep quality highly when I get it! I read a few posts here suggesting Costco mattresses might not be the best quality? I like their no hassle return policies so would be a good starting point for me. Any help is much appreciated!
03 Jun 2017 16:10
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I have the combi-zone and like it very much. I am sleeping much better than on air or foam support layers. My neck and shoulder pain have reduced in just two nights. On top of the combi-zone, I have a 2" foam topper from Tuft and Needle called T&N Adaptive® Foam. It's nice. No complaints. But I like the combi-zone springs so much that I am considering a micro-coil topper on top of the combi-zone. I have found some micro-coil toppers that come with foam inside a case. But I would like to buy just the micro-coils (some may call them nano-coils)? Can you say where to find them? Thanks.
01 Jun 2017 00:46
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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for the helpful response! I've since dug deeper into the research. But I could use some additional guidance to make sure I'm on the right track.

I forgot to mention that my price range is for a full size mattress. I'm also trying to completely avoid latex (long story...), which narrows down the options quite a bit.

First step. I made a list of the online options that meet my initial criteria. I then put together a spreadsheet with as much information on these options as I could find on this site or elsewhere.

Next step. I made a list of local stores. It looks like I have the following options in my area:
  • Urban Mattress . Just a couple minutes away from my apartment. Most of the mattresses seem to combine innerspring support with foam comfort layers.
  • Denver Mattress . I've already visited this place twice. I did not like their memory foam option - it felt too firm. I did like their Madison Plush . Most of the remaining options are more expensive, so I didn't try them.
  • Austin Natural Mattresses . Also nearby. They have some memory foam options.
  • Mattrezzzguys . Though it looks like this store only carries name brands.

Sleepworld is no longer located in Austin. The founder also died, so I don't know if this has affected the quality. I wonder if I should just avoid this company.

So here's the plan. I'll check out the local stores and gather specs on the mattresses that feel comfortable to me. I'll then add those specs to my spreadsheet. At that point, I will come up with a set of value criteria to help narrow the list down. Whether I've tried the mattress and price will likely be key factors.

With respect to the online options, none of them have over 1.8 lb foam in the bottom support layer. So, in terms of durability with respect to my BMI, my options are somewhat limited.

If I were to go with an online option, I think I'm leaning toward the Best Mattress Ever or the Novosbed.

The Novosbed has 5.0 lb memory foam, which seems rare among the online options. It's also 11" thick (most of the options are 10"), which might be a bonus given my BMI. However, it is on the pricier side, and the trial period is restrictive. I'm also worried that the mattress will have that memory foam "feel" that I don't like.

By contrast, the Best Mattress Ever uses two layers of latex-like foam at 4.0 lb each. Those specs seem good. I also wonder if the latex-like foam will help produce the feel I'm looking for. Otherwise, it's a tough choice between these two options. The Best Mattress Ever is, however, considerably cheaper. That could be a tiebreaker.

Otherwise, the Casper seems to be ruled out given the 1.5 lb foam in the bottom support layer. (Though SLTD reports that the layer is 1.8 lb. I will need to confirm.) I'm also seriously concerned that the Tuft & Needle will feel too firm to me - and the Best Mattress Ever appears to have better specs, which is probably enough to rule Tuft & Needle out. The Zotto and PerformaSleep are worth considering, but if I were to go with a memory foam mattress, the Novosbed seems to have the better specs, so it would be a choice between specs vs. price. The Dreams Supreme and Bear Mattress have comparable specs to the Best Mattress Ever, so perhaps I should consider them more carefully.

Any input on my decision-making process would be much appreciated! Am I missing anything important?
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