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07 Sep 2017 12:26
  • phoenix
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Hi whitesox20,

I ordered a Tuft and Needle


Congratulations on your new mattress purchase! :cheer: I'll be interested in learning about it once you've had a chance to sleep upon it for a while.

My apologies for not going with a site member.


There's no need or expectation that you'd purchase only from members here of this site. I'd say over 75% of purchases from research done on this site are for businesses or manufacturers who are not site members. The information here can easily be applied toward any product you're considering, with the hope that you're making an educated choice that best suits your particular needs. The guidelines and suggestions on the site are "self evident" and would apply to any manufacturer or retailer regardless of whether they are a member here or not, and I don't make any specific recommendations for mattresses, materials, or manufacturers. The members here are certainly not the only sources of good quality/value mattresses across the country or online. Membership here simply recognizes quality and value that already exists, but purchasing form the business site members here isn't an expectation when becoming a consumer member here of the site. But I appreciate the sentiment!

Phoenix
07 Sep 2017 07:15
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Glad I researched Amerisleep. Thank you!

I ordered a Tuft and Needle and won't be canceling this one haha. Partially just ordered because I've put so much energy into researching and it's time to stop. Quality of materials seems pretty good with a 2.8 proprietary polyfoam and a 1.8 core. For $575, I'm hoping it's a good deal, and I read good things about their CS . My apologies for not going with a site member.
05 Sep 2017 15:28
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Hi whitesox20,

I actually canceled that order this morning before it went to manufacturing. I don't want any weak links in the mattress.


I stated it is the "weakest link", not a "weak link". I wouldn't generally recommend cancelling an order because of that layer, but you're certainly welcome to your personal preferences.

I'm thinking about just buying a tuft and needle for 575 and calling it a day. From the specs, it looks like they use good quality materials.


For most people there wouldn't be a concern, but the materials overall are not as durable as the mattress you previously had on order (DF 2 lb polyfoam core versus TN 1.8 lb polyfoam core; DF 3" latex versus TN 2.8 lb polyfoam comfort layers).

The free pillows with dreamfoam was nice though. Thinking about maybe doing their memory foam line as it's 4 inches of 4lb memory foam and a 2lb poly core.


The UD Latex would be more durable (latex versus 4 lb memory foam layer).

Phoenix
05 Sep 2017 12:20
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Mattress shopping is a headache.. haha. I actually canceled that order this morning before it went to manufacturing. I don't want any weak links in the mattress.

I'm thinking about just buying a tuft and needle for 575 and calling it a day. From the specs, it looks like they use good quality materials. The free pillows with dreamfoam was nice though. Thinking about maybe doing their memory foam line as it's 4 inches of 4lb memory foam and a 2lb poly core.
05 Sep 2017 11:00
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Hi Psychmedic,

I feel i've done so much research that i could just make my own mattress. But one thing the DIY method lacks is adhering the layers together. I cannot "hand tuft" the layers at home, for example. Would this affect the comfort of the finished product if the springs and latex are just lying on top of each other?


Yes, I think many people reading here on the site feel as if they have done so much research that thy deserve a PhD in mattresses after a while! B)

In most component systems, the layers are held together through the integrity of the mattress encasement surrounding the completed mattress, along with the coefficient of friction of the materials (latex itself tends t be quite "sticky"), and these layers are not glued. The benefit of such a system for most people is the ability to rearrange and exchange layers.

If you do want to create a finished product, you can purchase tufting needles, tufting twine and buttons from craft and upholstery shops, as well as some of the DIY mattress companies discussed here previously on the forum.

Phoenix
28 Aug 2017 13:06
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Hi all, tried to do some searching but haven't found any definitive info. I'm fortunate enough to live in Phoenix and last Sunday did some matress shopping looking to compare tuft and needle vs the Brooklyn bedding #bestmatressever. To make a long story short, we weren't blown away by either the tuft and needle or the Brooklyn bedding best matress ever for comfort. While they both felt supportive they did not feel great during short in store testing. Additionally, the "soft" of the BB BME felt closest to what might be acceptable.

Anyway, at the Brooklyn bedding store we we're quickly steered away from the BME mattresses and to look at the all latex liberty plush eurotop for 2k and a "hybrid" pocketed coil / foam / latex matress with a plush top for closer to 1500. Both felt great and we're immediately comfortable but I have some concerns and questions if anyone has knowledge on these matresses, especially the "hybrid".

Both my and my GF are side sleepers. She is close to 200lbs while I'm closer to 300. I want to make sure I'm not making a terrible decision as I'm narrowing in on the hybrid plush top as it's in my budget.

Additionally, since there isn't much information on the hybrid plush top they make I'd like to see if anyone has any more info and to ensure it's has no weak links / flaws especially for a larger guy like me. I know the company has an excellent reputation but it's hard to find much info on this model and it's materials.

Last but not least, since the all latex or the hybrid arnt sold online as far as I can tell I'm concerned about pricing transparency and overpaying. I would like to know what others have paid if possible for either the all latex plush eurotop liberty or the hybrid with latex. We're being quoted I believe 1399 or a king size hybrid model with some pillows included.

Thanks again and sorry if this information is already somewhere on the forum.
22 Aug 2017 15:45
  • phoenix
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Hi ejcrossl,

You're welcome!

Phoenix
22 Aug 2017 14:17
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Hi ejcrossl.

You are recalling well that Tuft & Needle used to be a member of The Mattress Underground. They are no longer a member of this site since November 30 2015 as they as chose to stop offering a discount to the consumer members of the site. This is explained in more detail in this post here .

Phoenix


Thanks, I searched for a post discussing, but wasn't able to find it. Thanks for taking the time to tag it.
21 Aug 2017 16:52
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Hi ejcrossl.

You are recalling well that Tuft & Needle used to be a member of The Mattress Underground. They are no longer a member of this site since November 30 2015 as they as chose to stop offering a discount to the consumer members of the site. This is explained in more detail in this post here .

Phoenix
21 Aug 2017 15:17
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I vaguely recall Tuft & Needle being a member here. Did something change with them? Or do I just misremember?
17 Aug 2017 12:57
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Hi Al Shawa,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

You can see my comments about so-called "review” sites (which are mostly really just “revenue” sites) and sites that amalgamate mattress reviews from all around the internet, and sites that know little about mattresses or mattress materials in post #11 here and in posts #4 and #6 here .

While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

So I re-start to research on your site... pretty ton of useful information but still not understand everything... because of terms... haha... I am not bed expert but have to be admit that this site is really great resource to research unlike other sites I checked. Google should have ranked you as #1.


I appreciate your kind words. I don’t pay to promote this site through online search engine optimization, and if you search for “mattress reviews” (this site has never been nor will be a “review” site), we wouldn’t show up as #1 in that particular search ranking. Many ”review” sites actually pay to promote their own sites using our site name as part of their key words!

I also realized that solid or plywood platform is not good for mattress due to mold therefore going to find the 1""x4" slats at 3" gap with center supported ... Is that correct?


That sounds like a strong configuration if you’re building your own murphy bed and a 3” gap should meet most memory foam requirements for support.

Anyhow have you heard of this HyperVent? It keeps the matter cool on the flat platform.


Similar products have been mentioned before on the forum, and it performs a function like a coir bed rug. I don’t have any specific feedback on this specific product, but it is designed to promote airflow.

Now I am looking for the thin mattress than 10" but comfort enough as 12" mattress... does 2"+ foam make a huge different?


The most accurate answer is that it can…and it can’t. ;) The thickness of a mattress is just a side effect of the design and by itself isn't particularly meaningful because whether a thicker or thinner mattress would be better or worse for any particular person will depend on the specifics of the materials (type, firmness, etc.) and on all the other layers in the mattress. Thickness is only one of many specs that are used to make different mattresses that perform and feel differently and that makes a mattress suitable for one person and not another. There is more about the effect of thickness in post #14 here . Regardless of how thick or thin a mattress may be ... the most important part of the "value" of a mattress is how suitable it is "as a whole" for your particular body type, sleeping positions, and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) regardless of how thick it may be. The overall thickness of a mattress that is either "needed" or "preferred" would depend on the combinations of the layers and components that are needed to achieve the design goal of the mattress and provide the PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) that can best match each person and their unique body type, sleeping positions, and preferences.

en.memoryfoamcomfort.ca/memory-foam-mattress.html ( no clue but it seems good quality... what do you think?)


Both the Presto and Cumulus memory foam mattresses use high quality materials that would be appropriate in durability for your BMI.

www.sleepboutique.ca/foam-mattress/ (it confused me... so which one? good quality? This Chi Medium looks very cheap and similar to Novosbed?)


I’m not familiar with the specifications of this mattress, but I do think highly of Sleep Boutique owner Colin and he would be able to provide a more detailed comparison if you phoned them directly.

www.novosbed.com/?ref=Mattressunderground ( 11" inch but very similar to Leesa mattress... that's why I picked Leesa over Nova but still don't think it will be good mattress)


The Leesa wouldn’t be considered “very similar” to the Novosbed line, except for the fact that it has some memory foam and is an all-foam mattress. Novosbed uses higher density/durable memory foams and offers three different comfort configurations as compared to the Leesa. You can read more about the specifications of the Leesa and the Novosbed line in the Simplified Choice Thread here that may assist you in outlining the differences.

Overall, the best advice I can provide is to learn more about evaluating mattresses, and to that end the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

In its simplest form ... choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight/BMI range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

You’ve already found three site members of whom I think highly, and if you're considering any of them I would recommend a phone conversation to acquire more detailed information and advice about which of their products they might recommend. As you are in Vancouver, subject to first confirming that any retailer or manufacturer on the list that you wish to visit is completely transparent (see this article ) and to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here ... some other possibilities I'm aware of in and around Vancouver, BC are listed in post #2 here . There is also a list of some online mattress sources for Canadians in post #21 here .

I hope that information is helpful for you.

Phoenix
17 Aug 2017 02:01
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I did research at two sises at sleepopolis, honestmattressreviews and sleeplikethedead. I almost decided to buy Leesa mattress but I didn't because read this www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/index/16986-leesa.html .

So I re-start to research on your site... pretty ton of useful information but still not understand everything... because of terms... haha... I am not bed expert but have to be admit that this site is really great resource to research unlike other sites I checked. Google should have ranked you as #1.

Anyway

1. living in Vancouver BC ( locally store or free shipping only)
2. Murphy bed required since I had a very small bedroom. *
3. Medium Memory foam has better feeling than Latex for me... I don't know why... not too bounce or too sink.
4. I am 5"10 and 170 pound so less than 20 BMI.

* Right now I used this www.bestar.ca/office-furniture/full-beds/versatile/white/40183-17/ and I hate it very much... Going to build my own Murphy bed but have to find the right mattress first.

I also realized that solid or plywood platform is not good for mattress due to mold therefore going to find the 1""x4" slats at 3" gap with center supported ... Is that correct?

Anyhow have you heard of this HyperVent? It keeps the matter cool on the flat platform. www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=11330%7C10647&product=40591928&code=HyperVent

Now I am looking for the thin mattress than 10" but comfort enough as 12" mattress... does 2"+ foam make a huge different?

1. maximum is 10" but more thin would be nice if comfortable...
2. maximum 1200 CDN... Cheap would be nice but I prefer quality one at good value.
3. keep my body cool ( I will sweat a lot at summer time)
4. very low or no VOC (my Murphy bed still has a little VOC of glue) so hopefully foam will not cause more VOC.
5. free shipping is preferred if no local store available.... unless the checkout is maximum 1200 CDN.


I did check TMU Trusted Members so I found
en.memoryfoamcomfort.ca/memory-foam-mattress.html ( no clue but it seems good quality... what do you think?)
www.sleepboutique.ca/foam-mattress/ (it confused me... so which one? good quality? This Chi Medium looks very cheap and similar to Novosbed?)
www.novosbed.com/?ref=Mattressunderground ( 11" inch but very similar to Leesa mattress... that's why I picked Leesa over Nova but still don't think it will be good mattress)

By the way what is actually Avena Foam? Is it actually better type of foam to keep myself cool or? just brand of high quality foam?

Answered by this quote (www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-forum/general-mattresses/16901-tuft-and-needle-new-top-layer-foam.html#45735)

Some of these properties include greater point elasticity that contour to the shape of the body very well (similar to latex or memory foam) and have different response times or levels of resilience that have a faster recovery than memory foam but often slower than latex or traditional polyfoam. They also aren't typically temperature sensitive like traditional memory foam. Some of these more specialized types of polyfoam include products like Energex and Activus and Spring-tex and Avena and Futuratex and some of the Fom products along with others as well.

All of these are what I call "high performance polyfoams" and are more costly than conventional polyfoam so they would certainly justify a price increase but they are also not as costly as many more premium foam materials such as higher quality memory foam or latex.


according to this youtube, Avena is little bouncy but smoothly than memory foam. www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4-QEaTyJBE

Well I am looking for similar to memory foam but not feeling hot while sleep and little smoothly bouncy or body roll...

Hopefully you can help me to narrow down... Thanks
11 Aug 2017 13:32
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Hi The Riddler,

If I go with the Haugesund pocket coil option. there are two firmness options, medium firm or firm. Do you happen to know how Ikea would make this more firm


IKEA doesn’t provide that information, but normally this would be accomplished through using a higher IFD in the polyfoam above the springs, but it could also be accomplished using thicker steel in the springs. There is no difference listed in the specifications or the overall height of the product, so apparently no extra layers are added/subtracted between the two models.

Also, given the same foundation in Ikea's showroom , if I like the firm model in the showroom, should I go ahead and buy that, or should I assume it has been softened by customers testing it and get the medium firm instead? Does that make sense?


I’m not familiar with how often the floor model has been changed in the store you visited, but I would assume it has been left out for some time and has lost a decent amount of its “false firmness”, and probably is reasonably representative of what the mattress will feel like once it is “broken-in”, so if you liked that comfort it would be a good idea to select that product, knowing that while it may feel a bit firmer when it is new, it will soon achieve a comfort similar to what you tried and liked in the showroom.

Buying a "firm" mattress scares me somewhat because I tried a Tuft and Needle and for me it was painfully firm. I realize this Ikea mattress and TN are totally different though. What do you think?


The “word terminologies” are not standardized in the industry (nor could they be), and one company’s “firm” can be another company’s “medium”, and as you mentioned the componentry is different. Overall, your own personal testing would be the most accurate indicator of your comfort preference, and I would trust that more than a chose hardness classification placed upon the product.

Phoenix
10 Aug 2017 23:19
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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for the links.

If I go with the Haugesund pocket coil option. there are two firmness options, medium firm or firm. Do you happen to know how Ikea would make this more firm ( in higher ILD or lower coil gauge, etc?). The only thing I can observe on their website about that is that the firm option is about 3 pounds heavier than the medium firm.

Also, given the same foundation in Ikea's showroom , if I like the firm model in the showroom, should I go ahead and buy that, or should I assume it has been softened by customers testing it and get the medium firm instead? Does that make sense?

Buying a "firm" mattress scares me somewhat because I tried a Tuft and Needle and for me it was painfully firm. I realize this Ikea mattress and TN are totally different though. What do you think?

Thanks for all your help!
08 Aug 2017 15:12
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Hi sunyata,

I've noticed while reading real reviews online that a lot of people complain about simplified choice mattresses being too firm.


Reading reviews is the least reliable way to evaluate a mattress, its materials, durability or appropriateness for one person as compared to another (see post #13 here ). A mattress than one person or group of people feel is “too firm” would have no meaningful correlation to what might feel good to other individuals, as there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved in choosing a mattress for someone else to make specific suggestions based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or theory at a distance that can possible be more accurate than your own careful and objective testing (using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) which is always the most reliable way to predict which mattress will be the best match for you in terms of PPP (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ), and I could point to just as many people who complain that everything they try online is “too soft”.

I'm still on a Tuft and Needle from 2013 and I can't believe how terrible it is.


While I’m sorry you don’t enjoy the comfort of your older Tuft & Needle mattress, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a “terrible” bed (which would be more of a reflection on the quality of material) – just one that unfortunately apparently doesn’t meet your personal comfort preference. Being an all polyfoam mattress I wouldn't expect it to feel as soft as the memory foam mattresses that you prefer.

It's obvious the online model uses as much marketing and confusion as the mattress stores.


There are transparent online-only mattress companies, just as there are transparent brick and mortar retailers, but I am in agreement that there are still too many who don’t do a good enough job of providing more objective and complete information to consumers. And that of course has been one of the goals of this site – to bring to the attention of consumers what to look for in a mattress and help build awareness for some of the manufacturers who are “doing it right”.

I do wonder about the different ways in which logistics and organizational structure might affect the product that they are capable of producing. Do you think there is something about the online-only model which limits these companies to selling somewhat to very firm mattresses? Is it harder to make a high-quality soft mattress?


No, there are plenty of plush mattresses sold online, both compressed and boxed. Many “simplified choice” mattresses are even offered by manufacturers in multiple choice configurations from firm to plush.

Sadly, the most comfortable in-store mattresses I tried, in my opinion, were the Tempurs and Beautyrest memory foam mattresses in the 4k range. Low in "value" as they are, my guess is there is nothing like them online... much less compressed into a box.


There are plenty of “plush” memory foam options available online and many that people consider “too plush” (you don’t have to read too far back into the forum to find people with that opinon :cheer: ). But whether or not you’d consider these plush enough for your taste can only be determined through you own personal testing. New boxed-bed mattresses are being announced every week in the industry, and there are some good memory foam options listed in post #21 here and post #12 here .

Phoenix
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