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28 Jul 2011 01:56
  • phoenix
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Hi Joe,

I'm assuming that the mattresses you were testing at Happy mattress were the Restonic Latex.

What I would suggest is to use the "price no object" approach to testing their mattresses ... using the guidelines on this site to test for comfort/pressure relief and support/spinal alignment independently.

When you have found the mattress that works the best for these, then ask for the cutaway or "layer by layer" description of the mattress that was best for you and the mattress that was best for your wife (they could be the same or different). If they can not or even will not provide it ... then the manufacturer (Restonic) likely would. Make sure you are looking at an actual cutaway or printed description where the layers described add up to the thickness of the mattress (except for about an inch of ticking/quilting). Finding out that an 11" mattress has 6" of latex would still leave several inches of other material (polyfoam most likely) which could become the weak link in your mattress (especially if the polyfoam is in the comfort layer). I'd be happy to call them for you if this becomes necessary. I would need to know the model names of course to talk with the manufacturer.

Once you know this ... it would simply be a matter of "duplicating" that construction through one of the DIY (do it yourself) mattress manufacturers on the site, all of whom can build a mattress which is customized on each side to fit each of your needs. This would be covered by a single ticking (cover) so it would look like any other mattress.

It is almost certain that the final price you pay using this method will be hundreds lower than a retail store ... even one with good prices.

I'm not sure what size of mattress you are looking at but even for a king size, the prices seem rather high unless they are about 11 inches or more and all latex (no other type of foam included) in which case it would be in the ballpark.

So the key once you have found the best construction for each of you is to find the "stats" of the mattress and then you can determine where the best value for that construction and layering can be found. In this case I doubt it will be Happy which would end up being your "testing grounds".

Feel free to keep any questions coming :)

Phoenix
26 Jul 2011 00:25
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Hello Mike ... and welcome :)

Your choice regarding latex is IMO a good one for several reasons. The first of these is because of its ability to conform to body shape and relieve pressure as well or better than other materials. The second is because of its higher level of progressive resistance than other foams which in turn allows for better spinal alignment in different positions. The third is because of its greater durability than other materials. While it is a more expensive material than others, it is generally worth serious consideration. For lower budgets ... I would keep the latex comfort layer but replace the support layer with either a high quality innerspring or high quality polyfoam (at a minimum 1.8 lbs density but preferably higher than this). Some people prefer the feel of an innerspring mattress and this would be another reason for a latex comfort layer over an innerspring even though an innerspring has few if any advantages in its "specs" and is usually less durable and supportive than an appropriate latex foam core.

Having said that ... the specific layering of latex in terms of both thickness of the layers and the ILD (softness firmness) of the layers and how they work together can be different for each individual. This is the "art" of mattress construction and testing. While "theory" can certainly be a good starting point and even be very close to "correct" in many cases ... actual testing of different mattress constructions is an important part of choosing a mattress construction.

For a heavier individual ... firmer layers are perceived as being "softer" than the same layer would feel for a lighter individual which means that overall the mattress would tend towards higher ILD's (firmness levels). This is because a firmer layer will create a similar depth of cradle (the part that conforms to your body shape) for a heavier individual than a softer layer will create for a lighter individual. Weight distribution plays a role in this as well.

What this means in practical terms is that the "ideal" layering for your side of the mattress may need firmer foam than the ideal layering for your wife's side of the bed. Fortunately ... most "build your own" or DIY (Do it yourself) mattress manufacturers can accomodate this "split" side to side layering.

As side sleepers ... the starting point for a comfort layer is usually about 3". Heavier weights and larger body sizes can be accommodated either with slightly more thickness or slightly firmer foam. In your case the ideal comfort layer could well be firmer than for your wife. For example you may find that an ILD of 24 or perhaps even 28 is great while she feels best with an ILD of 19. Similarly the support layer could be firmer for you than they would for her. In a 3 layer mattress ... the lowest and usually firmest layer is the least "influential" and could be the same firmness for both of you. In a mattress with three 3" layers, a possible construction for you could be made up of medium firm extra firm layers while your wife may feel best with soft firm extra firm or soft medium extra firm. These different firmnesses may give each of you a similar level of pressure relief and spinal alignment even though they have different layers.

I'm not sure if the wedge your wife uses raises both sides of the mattress but if it does ... side sleeping on a raised mattress can be a contributing factor in spinal, hip, and even knee pain. Even for her, the more time she spends on her back with the mattress in the raised position ... the better the alignment would be. If she has trouble sleeping more on her back or falling asleep on her back ... one way to practice falling asleep in this position is to listen to calming music or meditative types of music while lying on your back with headphones. There can be less of a tendency to fall asleep in the back position so someone who wants to fall asleep will often turn to their side but if the focus is kept on listening to the music with the headphones on, rather than "turning over to fall asleep", sleep will "just happen" while on the back. Practicing this can increase the ability or the comfort level of falling asleep or even staying asleep on the back. A slightly raised position while on the back can relieve spinal pressure so alignment is not an issue with the head raised while sleeping on the back particularly if the knees are slightly raised as well (such as having a pillow underneath them).

A pillow between the knees while side sleeping may also help to reduce knee and hip pressure and pain as it relieves "sideways pressure" on these joints. If your mattress has a wedge on one side, depending on the size of the wedge, it may affect your sleeping alignment on your side of the bed as well. The more you are able to sleep on the "flat part of the mattress" ... while side sleeping, the better it will be for your spinal alignment. If it is necessary ... you could also consider having a "split queen" mattress made for you although without an adjustable split queen base ... this would create a somewhat fixed raised side and lowered side. Split queen adjustable bases are also available such as here www.adjustablebeds.org/reverie_deluxe_adjustable_bed_with_wireless_control_and_massage-9981.aspx although they would certainly add to the cost of an overall sleeping system. Which represents your best option would depend on budget, how much your side of the mattress is raised while you are sleeping and the effect of this raising on your joints and back, and how important automatic adjustability was to each of you.

In terms of actually finding the best construction for your needs, I usually recommend "price no object" mattress testing at local stores. What this means that your goal is to find the best type of construction as per the "Five steps to your perfect mattress" pages of this website. Once you know the type of construction that provides the best pressure relief and spinal alignment for your body types and sleeping positions, then it is simply a matter of duplicating that construction through an independent manufacturer either locally or through one who ships a DIY mattress anywhere in the country. If you know the construction details of a mattress that "works" for you ... then it is usually fairly easy to duplicate or "match up" at a far lower cost. If you do your testing at a local manufacturer who has the perfect construction and also has great value ... then of course you have the best of both worlds and can buy the actual mattress that you have tested as being "perfect".

While there are not a lot of local manufacturers right in Indianapolis (most are in other parts of Indiana), there are a couple that may be near enough for mattress testing. They are ...

www.holderbedding.net/quality-mattress-furniture.html Local manufacturer in Muncie and Anderson.

www.holdermattress.com/locations/ Local manufacturer in Kokomo and Carmel.

www.holderbeddinglafayette.com/ Local manufacturer in Lafayette.

All 3 of these are part of the same family that started making mattresses in 1947 but they are not connected to each other.

also

www.clarebedding.com/dealers.asp This is a wholesale manufacturer that makes Restonic but they have a retail outlet finder and there may be a store near you where you can test them. Clare bedding makes "all latex" versions of Restonic (some regional Restonic manufacturers use polyfoam over the latex)

www.furniturerow.com/locations/locationsByState.jsp?state=Indiana They carry 2 latex mattresses with 1" of polyfoam in the comfort layer (the maximum amount of polyfoam I would consider in a comfort layer except for the lowest budgets)

Sears may also carry latex mattresses including Natura (which makes a wide range of Talalay and Dunlop latex mattresses).

Some other national brands that make latex mattresses that may be available in mattress stores near you and would be worth trying for testing purposes if they are include "Pure Latex Bliss" and the "Simmons natural care elite" (not the natural care)

I hope this helps and if you have any other questions or need more specifics ... don't hesitate to ask :)

Phoenix
21 Jul 2011 03:34
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Hi Joe,

Like you I would completely avoid 3 lb memory foam. This is because this low a density is the least supportive of all the memory foams (which is already the least supportive type of foam) and is almost certain to break down much more quickly than a higher density memory foam. I'm somewhat surprised that Lebeda would be using this in anything but their least expensive memory foam mattresses (read really cheap) however if what you were told is correct ... I would not consider buying a memory foam mattress from them.

I'm not familiar with "Happy Mattress" except for the fact that they specialize in Restonic from their facebook page however Restonic is a national brand which tends IMO to be a better value than many other better known national brands. The only issue I have found with them is that they are a group of regional manufacturers who do not always use the same materials in different areas of the country so the quality of their "same name" mattresses sometimes varies by region. If you are shown the specifics of the mattress construction layer by layer then of course you can easily determine the type and quality of materials they use. If they don't know ... then they should be able to tell you who their regional licensee is and a quick phone call to the licensee would give you the information you would need (I have found most of the Restonic licensees I have talked to quite helpful in this regard). The different licensees are on the Restonic website here (the page is a little difficult to find)
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This varied construction by region is especially true in the Restonic mattresses with a latex comfort layer as some areas use up to 2" of polyfoam over the latex (even though some of these won't tell you this) while others only use latex without the polyfoam which of course means a higher quality mattress with less likelihood of body impressions. Their memory foam mattresses would not likely have polyfoam over the memory foam so would not have the same issue although different regions may use different qualities of foam in either the support core or the comfort layer.

If you have any questions after you have done some field testing at either Happy Mattress or Midwest ... feel free to ask.

Phoenix
20 Jul 2011 19:58
  • Joe P
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soooooooo,
I called Lebeda and they lady there said their memory foam mattresses used a 3 lb. foam (I think I'll pass)
I am going to visit Midwest Bedding, they said that they use 5.3 lb. foam,
and I also called and will visit Happy Mattress, they use 5 lb. foam.(their brand name is Restonic)

Not sure yet, but I will give latex a try, the guy at Happy Mattress, like you prefers this.

If you see any warning signs, please let me know, otherwise I will let you know what we choose.

thanks,
joe
24 May 2011 19:35
  • KLPATS
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Phoenix, I should clarify why I even mentioned the Restonic location for you and for tincar. I did not intend my mentioning Restonic to be a recommendation. I would actually advise against it as the Restonic mattresses I've seen my city have polyfoam in them. The salesman knew nothing about them, but they did have some models cut open. I remember two models in particular. One model was quilting, poly, memory, poly, springs. The other model was the same thing except it had latex in a pillowtop above identical layering. I would imagine these would be the same Restonic mattresses tincar would come across in Hickory.

The reason I mentioned the Restonic location was because of the potential issues when it comes to getting accurate information with Restonic. Thanks to posts Ive read by Phoenix over on whatsthebest, I knew about the inconsistencies from region to region, which Phoenix has now pointed out on this forum as well in his last post. Those regional differences, the potential for a retailer to have minimal worthwhile information, and the likely manufacturer being named Jackson Mattress Co. are why I went ahead and brought them up. It was meant as a "just in case tincar liked the feel of a Restonic she knows who to call because they have the highest potential when it comes to difficulty in finding out what you need to know" scenario. In my first post, it did seem kind of random and out of place to mention the Restonic manufacturer without the added information.
23 May 2011 19:46
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Hi KLPATS,

Thank you for the two additions to my list. My database includes over 90% of all the manufacturers in North America and it is really a pleasure when someone adds not just one but two that I didn't already have. I really appreciate it. I will certainly make a point of talking with both of them.

Of the manufacturers I listed, I have personally spoken with originalmattress, myluxurymattress, and dilworth an all of these produce latex mattresses and have good value. I have not yet had the chance to speak personally with either Colton or BandL however they are certainly on the "todo" list to talk with and I have done some research on both of them. There are also quite a few others in NC but I didn't list them either because they are not factory direct retail, only produced lower end mattresses, or because they are too far away. I agree with you too that personal conversations are by far the best way to gather information about manufacturers and also to get a "feel" for the type of people and company they are.

I have also done extensive research and talked to quite a few of the Restonic licensees. Restonic is an interesting company as the different licensees make their mattresses differently in each area and I was interested in those that did not use several inches of polyfoam on top of their latex mattresses. Before buying a Restonic in any area, I would certainly check with the licensee who produces them there (they are listed on the Restonic website). IMO, Restonic is one of the "better" national manufacturers even though there is some inconsistency in construction in different areas. .Several of the licensees I have talked with have shared the frustration of not having consistent guidelines in all areas and I believe they are "working on it"

You certainly seem well informed and again, I appreciate the information you have shared.

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Phoenix
23 May 2011 18:14
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Phoenix, are those among the companies you've spoken to in the past? I'm also in NC(Winston-Salem) and was wondering what kind of value and types of latex they have. I have e-mailed B&L in the past with no response. I've found that to be fairly common with mattress manufacturers though. Phone and in person really are much better.

I'll also add two others for tincar.
www.walkerbeddingcompany.com/index.html
www.royalekomfortbedding.com/index.htm

I have not spoken to either, and I am not even sure Walker carries latex, but they may be worth contacting just to see what they do have.

Another bit of information is that Jackson Mattress Company of Fayetteville builds Restonic mattresses. So if you happen to check a Restonic mattress out in a typical retail location, like it, and they don't have a lot of information, you will probably get the information you want by calling Jackson Mattress Company.
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