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06 Oct 2015 13:07
  • phoenix
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Hi AT,

I'm still thinking about getting a 1" Celsion topper. Just wondering do you know anywhere that you can buy the new Graphite-infused Talalay as a layer or as a topper?


Not to my knowledge although you may wish to try www.kttenterprises.com/index.html to see if they can supply it.

Do you have any thoughts on how Celsion would compare to Graphite-infused Talalay regarding heat retention and breathability issues?


While I don't have any personal experience with comparing them ... they would probably be similar in terms of temperature regulation and the cover and your mattress protector and sheets would probably have just as big if not a bigger effect on temperature regulation than any differences between them.

Phoenix
06 Oct 2015 12:09
  • AT
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I'm still thinking about getting a 1" Celsion topper. Just wondering do you know anywhere that you can buy the new Graphite-infused Talalay as a layer or as a topper? Do you have any thoughts on how Celsion would compare to Graphite-infused Talalay regarding heat retention and breathability issues?
05 Oct 2015 14:10
  • phoenix
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Hi Quickstrike,

I sent an email to Chad yesterday as well and haven't heard back.


Hopefully you will be able to find out the information you need and if you do it would be great to post the layering information on the forum as well.

Beds&Beds carries Corsicana and Glideaway. Furnituremart carries Restonic....not sure on any other quality companies in this area and I'd rather not purchase online.


Corsicana is generally a "promotional brand" that specializes in mattresses that are in lower budget ranges but they usually aren't completely transparent about the layers and components in their mattresses either (see this article ).

Glideaway is a smaller manufacturer that makes some good quality/value mattresses and are typically more transparent about the materials inside them than most of the larger manufacturers but this will also depend on the retailer that sells them and their willingness to find out any specs they aren't aware of from the factory.

Restonic is a licensee brand that is made by different manufacturers across the country some of which are more transparent than others about the type and quality of the materials in their mattresses. They have some reasonable quality/value mattresses but finding out the specifics that you need to know will also depend on the retailer as well and their willingness to call the factory and find out any information you need about the specific mattresses they are selling.

I did a quick review of the stores in your area to see if there were any others that may be worth considering but the 4 stores in the Sioux Falls list are still the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area (although of course there may be other "possibilities" that I'm not aware of or didn't find).

Phoenix
05 Oct 2015 13:09
  • Quickstrike
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I sent an email to Chad yesterday as well and haven't heard back. Beds&Beds carries Corsicana and Glideaway. Furnituremart carries Restonic....not sure on any other quality companies in this area and I'd rather not purchase online.
03 Oct 2015 10:18
  • phoenix
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Hi AT,

I need to update the specs b/c I finally got the complete story:

Restonic Utopia Destiny:
about 13" height
6" precompressed soy based poly foam core - 27 IFD, 1.8 lb density
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 24 IFD
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 15 IFD
1.5" High Density Super-soft foam
1" gel-infused quilting
.5" silk and wool
Thin layer of fire blocker

It's really frustrating that I asked for this information several times and only am getting the full story now.


Thanks for updating the specs ... and I agree that it's unfortunate that you weren't able to find them out before you made your purchase since the 2.5" of "unknown density" polyfoam on top of the latex in the quilting layers are thicker than I would normally be comfortable with and could be a weak link in the mattress.

Phoenix - the rep says all materials are breathable, and should not cause heat buildup. What are your thoughts on that? If I'm still struggling with a heat issue, is it because of these top layers above the Talalay?


All the foam that is generally used in mattresses (polyfoam, memory foam, latex foam) is open celled and "breathable" ... it's just a matter of degree and "how breathable" they are. Quilting foam is generally more breathable than other types of polyfoam that are used deeper in the mattress.

I don't think that there is much that I can add to my comments in post #18 here about tracking down temperature issues. Mattresses that use thicker/softer foam comfort layers will generally sleep warmer than thinner or firmer comfort layers since you will sink into them more deeply and they are more insulating.

The first place I would start with temperature issues is your mattress protector and your sheets and bedding (your mattress protector in particular has a "semi breathable" membrane which can certainly affect sleeping temperature for some people).

I'm still considering getting a Celsion 1" topper. Is is available anywhere other than Sleeplikeabear?

I'm also considering getting either a coolmax mattress pad and/or a coolmax topper cover. Do you have any thoughts on the coolmax material for pads and covers?


There is some information about Celsion in post #4 here and about Coolmax in post #17 here . I don't think that any of these would be a "magic bullet" solution but they might make a small difference. The only way to know for sure whether they would make "enough" difference would be based on your own personal experience.

I'm wondering if the fire blocker layer may be causing the heat build up - 3% Rayon fiber is listed on the law label, and I think I remember them saying they use Dacron, but I also remember a salesman saying something about wood pulp.


Rayon is a semi synthetic fiber that is made from some type of cellulosic material which includes bamboo and other types of wood pulp such as beech or eucalyptus. There is more about rayon in the post about sheets that I linked previously. It is generally very breathable and wicks moisture well so it wouldn't generally be an issue with temperature regulation and would be similar to natural fibers.

Dacron is another name for polyester fiber. It would be more breathable than most foam layers since it's a fiber but it can also sleep warmer than natural or semi synthetic fibers since it doesn't absorb moisture as well as natural fibers such as cotton, rayon, or wool.

Phoenix
03 Oct 2015 09:00
  • AT
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Also - the rep said all foams and fibers they use are open cell and breathable. I'm wondering if the fire blocker layer may be causing the heat build up - 3% Rayon fiber is listed on the law label, and I think I remember them saying they use Dacron, but I also remember a salesman saying something about wood pulp.
03 Oct 2015 08:33
  • AT
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Thanks again Phoenix for the advice.

I need to update the specs b/c I finally got the complete story:

Restonic Utopia Destiny:
about 13" height
6" precompressed soy based poly foam core - 27 IFD, 1.8 lb density
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 24 IFD
2.15" Natural Vita Talalay - 15 IFD
1.5" High Density Super-soft foam
1" gel-infused quilting
.5" silk and wool
Thin layer of fire blocker

It's really frustrating that I asked for this information several times and only am getting the full story now.

Phoenix - the rep says all materials are breathable, and should not cause heat buildup. What are your thoughts on that? If I'm still struggling with a heat issue, is it because of these top layers above the Talalay?

I'm still considering getting a Celsion 1" topper. Is is available anywhere other than Sleeplikeabear?

I'm also considering getting either a coolmax mattress pad and/or a coolmax topper cover. Do you have any thoughts on the coolmax material for pads and covers?
25 Sep 2015 18:53
  • phoenix
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Hi AT,

Do you have any recommendations for cooling pillow and sheets? Can they help?


Yes ... sheets and pillows that are better at temperature regulation can certainly help with overall sleeping temperature.

The same general temperature regulation guidelines would apply for pillows as for mattresses. While I can't make any specific suggestions for anything that you can "feel" because there are too many individual preferences involved and only your own experience can tell you whether any pillow works well for you ... there is more information about choosing a pillow in the pillow topic here and the other topics it links to that should be helpful.

There is also more information about sheets and bedding in post #7 here and the other posts and sources of information it links to that should be helpful as well. Natural fabrics such as cotton, linen, or silk or "semi synthetic" fabrics such as viscose rayon (made from bamboo, beech and other viscose sources) will generally be better at regulating temperature than synthetic fabrics such as polyester. Linen and Silk in particular are very good at regulating temperature.

Phoenix
25 Sep 2015 18:22
  • AT
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For the record, I don't recommend Outlast mattress pad toppers. They seem to just gather and hold heat. Maybe they work better for someone that's sweating a lot, like a more extreme situation.
25 Sep 2015 18:21
  • AT
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Thanks for your advice.

I think I'll just try it with protector off for now, and see if it improves.

Do you have any recommendations for cooling pillow and sheets? Can they help?
25 Sep 2015 14:57
  • phoenix
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Hi AT,

I got this mattress and it is actually 13". The top 3 inches are quilting with wool and silk, and some gel foam in quilting (rep had said less than a 1/2 inch previously.) I'm still not 100% on that, and was a bit annoyed that I didn't bring a ruler to the store and push for more information when the initial specs of the layers did not add up to the total.


While I don't know for certain ... if the quilting is 3" thick then it's more likely that there would be more than 1/2" of foam in the quilting (possibly closer to 2").

One fine tuning issue I'm still struggling with is heat retention. I just don't like the feeling of built-up warmth, which I especially feel under my back, as a back sleeper. After a month I'm still trying to figure out a way to troubleshoot this one issue for this otherwise ideal mattress (in other words, my body has not adjusted to it).

I have tried two versions of Outlast mattress pads with Gold and Gold Plus ratings, a Cirriform and Nacreous. They did not work, and the padding in them seemed to counteract the cooling benefits provided by the quilting shape to the top layer in the bed.

I tried a cooling gel foam mattress pad, convoluted 1.5 inches. It did not work, and the softness of it completely changed the performance of the bed. I cradled in it and woke up with neck pain.

I am sleeping with a Sleep Tite mattress protector now. I'm wondering if there is a mattress protector out there that is more breathable? It does seem slightly cooler without the protector.. But I'm hesitant to sleep with no protection whatsoever.


While it's not always possible to to track down temperature regulation issues for any particular person on a specific mattress because there are so many variables involved (including your room temperature and humidity, your sheets and bedding and bedclothes, your mattress protector or any mattress pads you are using, and where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range) and some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with ... there is more about tracking down a potential cause or causes for temperature regulation issues (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) in post #2 here and the posts it links to that may be helpful.

The thin "membrane" type of protector you are using could certainly be contributing to the temperature issues you are having because they can restrict airflow to some degree and some people sleep warmer on them. There is more about the pros and cons of different types of mattress protectors in post #89 here .

I'm also considering buying a Celsion 1 inch latex topper (or another thickness if recommended). It's offered in three firmness versions, 15, 21, and 27 ILD. Do you think that would help with coolness? Do you think I could get it in a firmness that complemented the bed, and didn't cause me to "crater", like with the gel foam topper? If my bed is a "medium" firmness, which firmness would you recommend, if so?


A topper can be a good solution for a mattress that is too firm and that just needs some additional softness and pressure relief (as long as it doesn't have any soft spots or sagging in the sleeping surface) but I would be cautious about using a topper to try and "fix" temperature regulation issues because if a mattress is already a good match for you in terms of PPP then a topper can add too much additional softness and you could end up exchanging a temperature regulation issue for a back ache that is the result of sleeping on a mattress that is too soft. If some of the suggestions in the previous link (such as choosing a different mattress protector or different sheets etc) aren't enough to solve any temperature regulation issues you are experiencing then I would consider a thinner mattress pad or topper made from natural fibers such as wool that can help maintain a more neutral sleeping temperature and have the least possible effect on the overall comfort and support of the mattress.

Phoenix
25 Sep 2015 14:32
  • AT
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Hi - here with an update and a question.

I got this mattress and it is actually 13". The top 3 inches are quilting with wool and silk, and some gel foam in quilting (rep had said less than a 1/2 inch previously.) I'm still not 100% on that, and was a bit annoyed that I didn't bring a ruler to the store and push for more information when the initial specs of the layers did not add up to the total.

However, I'm very pleased with this mattresses performance for 3 P's. It has a wonderfully buoyant feel, and balances my body almost like I'm floating in water. I flat out love the mattress.

One fine tuning issue I'm still struggling with is heat retention. I just don't like the feeling of built-up warmth, which I especially feel under my back, as a back sleeper. After a month I'm still trying to figure out a way to troubleshoot this one issue for this otherwise ideal mattress (in other words, my body has not adjusted to it).

I have tried two versions of Outlast mattress pads with Gold and Gold Plus ratings, a Cirriform and Nacreous. They did not work, and the padding in them seemed to counteract the cooling benefits provided by the quilting shape to the top layer in the bed.

I tried a cooling gel foam mattress pad, convoluted 1.5 inches. It did not work, and the softness of it completely changed the performance of the bed. I cradled in it and woke up with neck pain.

I am sleeping with a Sleep Tite mattress protector now. I'm wondering if there is a mattress protector out there that is more breathable? It does seem slightly cooler without the protector.. But I'm hesitant to sleep with no protection whatsoever.

I'm also considering buying a Celsion 1 inch latex topper (or another thickness if recommended). It's offered in three firmness versions, 15, 21, and 27 ILD. Do you think that would help with coolness? Do you think I could get it in a firmness that complemented the bed, and didn't cause me to "crater", like with the gel foam topper? If my bed is a "medium" firmness, which firmness would you recommend, if so?

Thanks for any help and advice.
18 Sep 2015 08:07
  • bedhunterMom
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Prior to stumbling upon this site I never guessed choosing a mattress would be so involved. Holy smokes, I'm drowning in all the information and the pressure to make the right decision.

I've spent hours reading the tutorials, pouring over the forums, etc and still haven't managed to make the purchase. Thanks (especially to Phoenix) for all the wonderful information but please help me make sense of it all!!!

Background:
I'm 5.5", 150lbs, 45yrs old, back & side sleeper with occasional lower back pain
Husband is 6ft, 220lbs,, 45yrs old, back & side sleeper
Current bed is a sagging 10+ year old, Simmons "Belmont" queen, plush pillow top, medium-firm…..horrible. A mistake. Only felt good the first 6 months.

Our mattress quest started Labor Day weekend by going to several local shops (zip: 21704), where I thought we would "get the best deal". We entered asking for innerspring but after trying just about every mattress in the store, realized that we liked the feel of the hybrid Restonic and Tempurpedic the best but both came with heavy price tags ($1,600 & $2,500) and lots of sales pressure. Hubby was ready to sign on the spot (he hates shopping & is desperate to change our current mattress) but I felt compelled to do more research which lead me to your Mattress Underground site. I've learned all about the layers, density, the 3 S's, not to be fooled by holiday "sales", etc. and am now ready for an online purchase.

Mattresses from the following all seem to be rated well but how do I really know which to go with when you can't test them out:
Brooklyn Bedding
Dream Foam
Tuft & Needle

I know mattresses are all about preference and what feels good to one might not to another but how does one know the difference in feel between the above 3? Is there a huge difference in feel from a "Best Mattress" in the $700 range and an "Ultimate Dream" in the $1,700 range?

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

P.S. Sleep EZ sounds good as well but have too many choices.
16 Sep 2015 16:15
  • TX_Man
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Hi everyone,

A few months ago. I decided that my 10 year-old innerspring mattress from Original Mattress Factory needed to go (I believe it was a "plush" model, and I'm quite certain the springs were not individual pocketed springs). I was having lower back pain in the morning that went away after a half hour or so, and it felt too soft generally.

My wife and I were initially thinking of buying either a component mattress from SleepEZ or a cheaper foam mattress. As a result, a few months ago I built a new foundation, since the boxspring we had been using actually had springs, and because I'm pretty sure the gaps were too large for a latex mattress. My first post was about building that foundation, which can be seen in post #13 .

Part of the attraction of latex was motion separation. In the old mattress, tossing and turning by one of us, or even getting out of bed, would disturb the other. In addition, I believe I need something with firmer support than the old mattress, given the lower back pain (and that mattress definitely wasn't too firm).

The first new mattress we tried was the Casper. My initial instinct was that it felt really hard, though it felt good when on my back (or stomach). After the first night I woke up with pretty bad middle and upper back pain. I then switched to a thinner pillow, which helped, but at the end I ultimately decided it was just too firm or otherwise not good because I continued to have middle/upper back and shoulder pain, and so it got returned. I think I slept on my stomach more than normal when on this mattress.

Here are the details about us:

Me: 6'5", 210 lbs. I think I am mostly a side-forward sleeper (with my top leg forward leaned over toward stomach, half side/half stomach), though I think I also sleep on my back some, and I often fall asleep on my stomach though I'm not sure how long I stay like that. And, to be honest, I think my sleeping style varies by mattress - on softer mattresses I'm more likely to end up on my side, and on harder ones my stomach or back. I should also say that I'm reasonably athletic/broad shouldered, which I think merits a somewhat thicker comfort layer per instructions on this site. That said, I would normally say I prefer a firmer mattress, though the Casper was definitely too firm.

Wife: 5'2", 125 lbs. Side sleeper, prefers firmer rather than softer feel. She's much less picky than me - at least in this dimension :). She would be been willing to keep the Casper, though I think it was also a bit firm for her taste. So my goal is going to be to get something that will work for both of us, keeping in mind that her acceptable range is probably larger than mine.

Currently we are sleeping on a queen-sized S-brand mattress from the guest room. It's a little soft, though it is much better for side sleeping than the Casper (though I do think I bottom out and get pressure points a bit). I get a bit of lower back and upper back soreness, though less so when sleeping by myself on that mattress (don't ask why that sometimes happens - the explanation is not as entertaining as it sounds.)

I've looked in my area for a high-quality mattress using links from Phoenix, but the Restonic mattresses near me have memory foam and polyfoam as well as talalay latex (I think the latex is mostly a marketing thing). In addition, the Cal King could not be returned if it was uncomfortable, though the price was great. As a result, I've decided to go all latex. We laid on the Pure Latex Bliss mattresses, and liked the overall feel, and specifically that of the firmer Nature and Pamper. We tried both with toppers (a medium, which I think is still pretty soft), which means there was a combined 5 - 6" of softer foam as a comfort layer over a pretty firm support layer. If I knew that one of those PLB mattresses would end up working well for me, I'd get over the sticker shock and buy it, in large part because I feel pretty badly about trying something in a brick and mortar store and then ordering elsewhere based in part on that. In that way I envy the people living in Phoenix, AZ, who can go try out mattresses at the two layered-latex places there (mattresses.net and sleepez). But ultimately I'm worried about my ability to forecast how well the mattress will work for me despite the helpful instructions Phoenix has laid out in his posts here.

So I've decided to go DIY. That's in large part because I'm a DIY kind of guy, which means I'm up for the adventure and trial and error and (hopefully) the final satisfaction of getting the mattress dialed in by selecting layers myself. The preference for DIY is also in part because I can choose from a greater set of ILDs than the typical online retailers offer. My wife isn't so picky, so I think I can use most if not all of what doesn't work for me on her side and it'll probably be okay, within reason. My tentative plan now is to order a 4-way stretch cover from SleepEZ, and to order foam from KTT Enterprises and mattresses.net.

I know there's some risk - mattresses.net doesn't do returns on components (though their prices are very good), though KTT does a one-time 30 day exchange for $20 plus shipping both ways. Depending on how things go with the first purchases, if necessary I might also just order another layer and turn the unwanted layer into beds for my two dogs. They sleep on memory foam now (which has held up well - much better than previous poly foams), and the curious side of me wonders what they'd prefer if they could choose one or the other side-by-side. They don't care much about marketing, so it'd be a pretty clean test.

Total cost, including the cover, would be around $1500 for a 9" mattress, and around $500 more for a 12" mattress, including the necessary covers. Here are my options:

1) Buy a 6" cover (the stretchy one from SleepEZ), and initially buy 6" latex and sleep on it for a bit. After that, I could decide whether I want a 2" or 3" topper (and in what ILD). If I went with this, I think initially I'd go with this layout:
Top layer - 3" split between 24 and 28 ILD (so we can try both)
Bottom layer - 3" split between 40 and 44 ILD (so we can try both)

If I went with this option, I'm 90% sure I'd end up buying a topper as well (for a total of 8" or 9"), but I'd have the advantage of sleeping on the 6" first to see which topper we might want (2" or 3", 19 or 24 or 28 ILD). I could also at least see what 24 over 28 over 44 (or 40) feels like. The downside is that this option precludes moving to a 12" mattress - or it at least means I'd have to spend another $160 on a new cover in order to do that.

2) Buy an 8" or 9" cover, and initially buy 8" or 9" of latex and sleep on it. Then, if I decide I want it to be softer, or have the feel of a "thicker" mattress, buy another 3" of firm latex (in 36 or 40 or 44 ILD) for the bottom, and then move the soft layer outside of the cover as a topper. Under this scenario, I think I'd go with the following:

Top layer - 2 or 3", of 19 or 24 ILD, all one piece (I'm leaning toward 19 ILD)
Middle layer - 3", split between 24 and 28 ILD
Bottom layer - 3", split between 40 and 44 ILD

A few notes: I'm mixing and matching the ILDs to maximize the number of configurations I can try without exchanging anything. I'm pretty sure I want at least 4" of softer latex on the top given my experience with Casper, and I suspect I may want 6", but I'm not sure. I also figure I'll go quite firm on the bottom layers, in part to compensate for the fact that I'll potentially have 6" of softer latex above it rather than 4 or 5, and in part because we both liked the firm feel of the Pamper that had a firm lower layer (I thought the Nutrition felt too soft and a bit unstable).

Here are my questions:

i) Which of these two options seems more sensible as a place to start, keeping in mind that sleeping on different things is ultimately what I probably need to figure out what works best? Money isn't a huge consideration, except that I'd rather not throw away dollars for nothing.

ii) If I go with option 2, what should I go with for the top layer - 19 ILD or 24 ILD? I must say I liked the feel of the softer PLB topper, and the 19 ILD will be a bit firmer than that.

iii) Do you have any other suggestions on alternative ILDs for either one of these two options?

I think I'll start ordering stuff this week, so I'd love any feedback or suggestions. I look forward to hearing what Phoenix and others have to say.

Thanks!

EDIT: Option 2 can be either an 8" or 9" mattress, depending on if I think I should go for 5" or 6" in comfort layers...so many options...
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