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20 Oct 2015 10:55
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Hi Nuclearmomb,

Thanks for sharing your comments about the stores that are selling Restonic in your area.

Restonic is a licensee brand that is made by a group of private factories across the country but it certainly seems that the licensee factory in your area (Alliance Sleep Products) isn't as transparent as some of the other Restonic licensees.

The only way to know whether there are any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress or to make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses (and to bypass the "name games") is by knowing the specifics of the materials inside it and if it's not possible to find out reliable and accurate information about what is inside any mattress you are considering I would avoid it completely.

In addition to this if it turns out that your mattress contains different materials from what you were specifically told was inside it I would also insist on a refund.

These types of games are deceptive and are much too common in the industry and it's unfortunate that your Restonic licensee appears to be contributing to the problem more than helping to solve it by accurately disclosing the specifics of the materials in any mattress they make regardless of the name of the model on the label.

I should also mention that it's often the local stores themselves that are the biggest reason for the "name games" since they all want to sell a mattress that they can "differentiate" from their competitors who are selling the same mattress so that they can discourage meaningful comparisons so they tell their local manufacturer to make a mattress with very slight differences and a different name so that consumers can't cross shop their mattresses.

Phoenix
19 Oct 2015 18:46
  • Nuclearmomb
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Ha! So much for Restonic being transparent!!!! I have been at the 4 or 5 places around Rochester, NY that sell Restonics - they all play the name-change game, so you can't compare the mattresses between stores, and confirm that this years' model (with a new name) is the exact same mattress you tried on the showroom floor. The sales rep up here (Steve) hasn't returned my calls or emails when I try to confirm what I'm looking at. Some salespeople tell me that the contents of a model are different than what other salespeople tell me, and what you describe sounds like what they call a "Camia" or Interlude or Belize (??????) up here. NONE of the stores up here sells a model called the Utopia.
Because of this, I am hesitant to buy one of their mattresses, and have been looking a little closer at Jamestown mattresses.
18 Oct 2015 12:31
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Hi AT,

I've contacted the company and we'll see how they proceed.


Thanks for letting us know what you found inside your mattress ... and I'll certainly be interested in what they have to say about the "mystery" layer.

Phoenix
18 Oct 2015 12:23
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Thanks for the info.

A missing 2" layer of latex that was replaced by polyfoam is either manufacturing error or fraud. It does not have the feel, texture, or smell of either Talalay or Dunlop. I've contacted the company and we'll see how they proceed.
18 Oct 2015 11:21
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Hi AT,

I opened up the mattress to see what I am dealing with. I found about 2.5 inches of foam in the quilting layer (looks completely normal, I'm not sure why they would call it gel foam.)


This could certainly be a weak link in the mattress if the quilting foam is lower density. According to their specs 1" of the quilting foam would be polyfoam that has some type of gel infused inside it. It would still "look like" polyfoam.

More disturbingly I found only one 2" layer of what is clearly Talalay. As you may recall this supposed to be Vita Talalay. The first layer has holes and is light colored. Under that I found an unidentifiable kind of foam with no holes whatsoever and a slightly yellower color.

Is it possible this second layer is nonetheless Vita Talalay?


No ... if there are no pincores in the layer at all then it wouldn't be Talalay latex although it could be continuous pour Dunlop latex.

Phoenix
18 Oct 2015 11:11
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Dear Phoenix - I opened up the mattress to see what I am dealing with. I found about 2.5 inches of foam in the quilting layer (looks completely normal, I'm not sure why they would call it gel foam.)

More disturbingly I found only one 2" layer of what is clearly Talalay. As you may recall this supposed to be Vita Talalay. The first layer has holes and is light colored. Under that I found an unidentifiable kind of foam with no holes whatsoever and a slightly yellower color.

Is it possible this second layer is nonetheless Vita Talalay?
13 Oct 2015 20:05
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Hi Nuclearmomb,

I am interested in latex cores, and am thinking pillow-top are the way to go. I live in 14534 zip area. You already recommended some good stores, but can you recommend some specific makes and models? I've looked at Restonics, Pranas are too expensive, and most of the other brands are Simmons, Sertas and Sealys, which you know you don't recommend,


The first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or if you can't test a mattress in person then your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I also don't keep a record of the individual mattresses or their specs that the retailers and manufacturers in the hundreds of forum lists throughout the forum carry on their floor or have available online (it would be a bigger job than anyone could keep up with in a constantly changing market) but checking their websites and making some preliminary phone calls to the retailers/manufacturers that are on the lists is always a good idea before you decide on which retailers or manufacturers you wish to deal with anyway. This will tell you which of them carry mattresses that would meet your specific criteria, are transparent about the materials in their mattresses, and that carry the type of mattresses that you are interested in that are also in the budget range you are comfortable with. Once you have checked their websites and/or talked with the ones that interest you then you will be in a much better position to decide on the ones that you are most interested in visiting or considering based on the results of your preliminary research and conversations.

I or some of the more knowledgeable members of the site can certainly help you to narrow down your options, help you focus on better quality/value choices that are available to you either locally or online, help you identify any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress relative to your weight that you may be considering, act as a fact check, answer many of the specific questions you may have along the way that don't involve what you will "feel" on a mattress, and help with "how" to choose but only you can decide which specific mattress, manufacturer, or combination of materials is "best for you" regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or whether anyone else has the same criteria or circumstances or would make the same choice.

Phoenix
13 Oct 2015 19:29
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Hi, Phoenix. Thanks for the time you spent answering my question about the some mattresses over the last couple of days.
After thinking that this one particular mattress was the "answer", I came to the realization that I need something much softer and fluffier. I love the sinking-in or cloud-like feeling, but have some back pain, and need some good support (both my husband and I are around 130lbs). I am interested in latex cores, and am thinking pillow-top are the way to go. I live in 14534 zip area. You already recommended some good stores, but can you recommend some specific makes and models? I've looked at Restonics, Pranas are too expensive, and most of the other brands are Simmons, Sertas and Sealys, which you know you don't recommend,
11 Oct 2015 10:52
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Hi Nuclearmomb,

and now every single time I inquire about any Restonics, the "Rep" seems to know just who was shopping that day! One of the salespeople even knows who I am on this site! Geez! If only they would just post what was in those two models, then it would be so simple!


It's good to hear that they are aware of the site but unfortunately it also goes to show just how few people actually know the importance of finding out the quality and durability of the materials in a mattress they purchase. Every "educated and informed" consumer should be asking the questions that you are asking.

I live in the 14534 zip code area


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Rochester, NY area (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #11 here .

Phoenix
11 Oct 2015 08:07
  • Nuclearmomb
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Thank you! I live in the 14534 zip code area, and now every single time I inquire about any Restonics, the "Rep" seems to know just who was shopping that day! One of the salespeople even knows who I am on this site! Geez! If only they would just post what was in those two models, then it would be so simple!
09 Oct 2015 13:29
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Hi Nuclearmomb,

Hi, Phoenix. See my addendum below


There was no attachment or "addendum" in your last post.

I just spoke with a knowledgeable salesman, who told me this mattress is made of:
6' talalay core
1"" "soft poly foam" (- was not able to tell me the density)
4" talalay latex
1" gel-infused quilting foam.

What do you think?


The quality/durability guidelines here suggest "no more than about an inch or so of lower quality or unknown materials in the upper layers of your mattress". The quilting foam is only an inch and then there is 4" or Talalay latex underneath this which is a high quality and durable material that would absorb most of the compression forces from sleeping on the mattress so the additional inch of "unknown density" polyfoam under the latex wouldn't normally be a significant issue or a "weak link" for most people that are in more average or lower weight ranges (lower 200's or less) such as yourself.

While I would normally want to know the density of the polyfoam layer underneath the latex because in combination with the quilting layers the "unknown density" materials would add up to 2" ... in your case with your lower weight it wouldn't be as important because the layer is deeper in the mattress and would be less subject to compression so assuming that the mattress you are looking at is 12" thick (so you know there are no missing layers in the information they provided) and if you are confident that it's a good "match" for you in terms of PPP and it compares well with your other finalists based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course) then it would certainly be worth considering.

Phoenix
09 Oct 2015 10:52
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Hi, Phoenix. See my addendum below
09 Oct 2015 08:30
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I just spoke with a knowledgeable salesman, who told me this mattress is made of:
6' talalay core
1"" "soft poly foam" (- was not able to tell me the density)
4" talalay latex
1" gel-infused quilting foam.

What do you think?
08 Oct 2015 10:52
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Hi Nuclearmomb,

I have been looking at Restonic mattresses, mainly the model named Belize or Interlude. They are $2500, which is a bit steep for me, but what bothers me most is that the retailer doesn't allow exchanges. It has a 6" latex core, with another couple of latex layers as the comfort layers - No foam or memory foam, which I USED to like. (I am a 130 lb person with back pain, and my present 9 yr old Strobel memory foam now feels like it needs to be replaced.) I loved the feel of this Restonic mattress, and am hopeful that it may alleviate my pain, but am looking for another point of sale. Any ideas?


While price is certainly one part of the value of a mattress purchase ... I would tend to choose a mattresses based on it's "value" rather than on the price alone. There is more information about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase to "fine tune" a mattress or the exchange/return options that are available to you).

Outside of PPP the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing all the specifics of its design and construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to confirm that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

The Restonic mattresses you are looking at may contain at least some polyfoam (you can check the law tag to confirm this) which could be a weak link in the mattress. If you can find out all the information listed in this article and post it on the forum then I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality and durability of the materials and the mattress "as a whole" and let you know if there are any obvious weak links in the design in terms of durability.

There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "calculate" value because there are so many different variables and criteria involved that are more or less important to different people that may be very different from someone else and because the "value" of a mattress purchase is always relative to the other finalists you are considering or to the other mattresses that are available to you in the area or online.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

The mattress shopping tutorial also includes a link to a list of the members here that sell mattresses online (in the optional online step) that compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency and many of them also make latex and latex hybrid mattresses that use different types and blends of latex that have a range of different designs, options, features, return and exchange policies, and prices that that may also be well worth considering or that you can use as a reference point for "value".

Phoenix
08 Oct 2015 08:54
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I have been looking at Restonic mattresses, mainly the model named Belize or Interlude. They are $2500, which is a bit steep for me, but what bothers me most is that the retailer doesn't allow exchanges. It has a 6" latex core, with another couple of latex layers as the comfort layers - No foam or memory foam, which I USED to like. (I am a 130 lb person with back pain, and my present 9 yr old Strobel memory foam now feels like it needs to be replaced.) I loved the feel of this Restonic mattress, and am hopeful that it may alleviate my pain, but am looking for another point of sale. Any ideas?
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