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19 Mar 2017 10:04
  • phoenix
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Hi Shellbell,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

We drove 1 1/2 hours to Holly Hill to visit Fox Mattress. The salesman was wonderful.

I’m glad you had a god experience there. As you know, Fox Mattress is a site member here, and I think highly of them and their products.

Of course the Chiro Dream was the most comfortable, but the first tier, which was $800 less was so much more comfortable than our current mattress. I am struggling with the price of the Chiro dream, but don't want to be cheap! I understand the foam density, but am trying to get a handle on what this means to long term comfort and durability.

While the pricing is of course important, it is just one part of the value of a purchase. There isn’t a set formula that can determine this, as there are so many personal variables involved to make this determination, and there are almost as many variables involved in the materials and the construction of a mattress, all of which will have different levels of importance to different individuals (some people may desire more durable materials, others may put more stock in more “natural” materials, others may desire firmer edge reinforcement, etc.). The value of a mattress also compares to other models you are comparing.

There is more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

If you understand density, then you already know that the higher density polyfoams will be more durable that the lower density items. Finding out the information listed here and comparing the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here will help you compare the quality of the materials or find weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life before making any purchase.

If you like, I’ll be happy to comment upon any specific componentry if you provide the complete information about the mattresses you were comparing.

Phoenix
18 Mar 2017 16:47
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We drove 1 1/2 hours to Holly Hill to visit Fox Mattress. The salesman was wonderful. We focused on the 2-sided inner springs. There were 3 price tiers. Of course the Chiro Dream was the most comfortable, but the first tier, which was $800 less was so much more comfortable than our current mattress. I am struggling with the price of the Chiro dream, but don't want to be cheap! I understand the foam density, but am trying to get a handle on what this means to long term comfort and durability.
13 Jan 2017 16:07
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04 Jan 2017 18:12
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Searching for a new mattress to replace a Simmons Beautyrest world class plush. I have learned so much about mattresses since I found your website. I am surrounded by big box stores and high end mattress choices (Kluft, sleep number). I can see that there is little correlation between quality and price. Please let me know if there is a retailer similar to Fox Mattress or Bedmasters, which are both 3 hours away. Thank you.
26 Dec 2016 12:35
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Hi JackBauer,

As I know you’re already aware, I don’t have too much expertise with blankets and they’re not the focus of the forum (perhaps there are other more knowledgeable members here who can provide some assistance), but…

While it is related mostly to sheets, post #7 here and some of the links it contains may help to point you in a good direction. Post #26 here has links to quite a few companies who carry sheets and blankets, and perhaps some of these companies carry blankets that similar to what you desire.

Is this acrylic blanket from the Vermont Country store like what you are looking for? If so, here are some ideas. These remind me of the blankets I had as a child and they may be more like what you are trying to find.

Phoenix
08 Dec 2016 15:30
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Hi sonicfox,

Finally, here are my questions about latex toppers. If I don't want to increase softness by much, would a topper of 1 to 1.5 inches be sufficient enough?


A small amount of foam, even 1”, especially in the uppermost layer of a mattress, will have an impact on the overall comfort. For slight changes in plushness, it is common for a 1” to 2” latex topper to be used.

Also, I want to get a talalay topper instead of dunlop because I want the pillow-y feel it's supposed to provide. However, I'm wondering if you add a case to the topper, and of course, the sheets, can a person actually feel the different between talalay and dunlop?


That of course varies upon the individual, the thickness of the latex and the ILD of the latex. In general, Talalay is a bit more “buoyant” feeling. Dunlop has an initial softer feel, but tends to “firm up” (has a higher compression modulus) a bit more as it is compressed.

Of course the feel of these products does depend on the surface upon which they are placed, and as you mentioned the sheets and the mattress pad or protector. Unless you have a chance to try any of these toppers out in person, I would make sure that you become familiar with any return/exchange policies of any topper you purchase just in case it doesn’t work out as well as you had hoped.

There are some suggestions for selecting a topper in post #2 here , and in that post as you scroll down there will be a link for some better online sources for topers of which I am aware.

Let us know about your progress!

Phoenix
13 Nov 2016 15:08
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Hi Mrhdvrod,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

So we began our bed search online doing research and thanks to this site i was able to resolve alot of what i thought i wanted vs what i really was looking for, so thank you for that.


I’m glad the information on the site was useful for you.

Fox Mattress - nice people but they glue the layers and wont do it any other way so because ive had major weight swings in the past and am currently working on a downward trend this was not an option for us as id want to be able to switch up the layers or possibly replace the layers down the road.


Congratulations on your weight loss, and continued success. One of the advantages of a component mattress system is the ability to be able to customize the product for certain conditions, such as weight loss. Fox Mattress is a member here, which means I think highly of them, but unfortunately they didn’t feature the componentry you desired.

This is where it gets more difficult as my original plan was to test the savvy rest to find the layer combo and then order from one of the preferred online dealers - either ez or fsf,


There is more information in post #9 here about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one. Every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover and any quilting materials) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress "as a whole" so unless you are able to find another mattress that uses exactly the same type of materials, components, cover and quilting, layer thicknesses, layer firmnesses, and overall design (which would be fairly unlikely) then there really isn't a reliable way to match one mattress to another one in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) based on the specifications of the mattresses. If you do end up trying to approximate your Savvy Rest configurations, a phone call with either SleepEZ or Foam Sweet Foam (both members here of the site) will be your best choice of action to attempt to recreate what you selected in your Savvy Rest configuration, as they are experienced with that line and how it compares to their own.

thus would never likely find a happy medium and we were not willing to do a true split as the dividing line would in our opinion create a romantic divide as well.


While having two separate twin extra long mattresses can result in a bit of a divide in the center, two twin extra long latex mattresses next to each other will provide less of a “dividing line” than two innerspring mattresses, as the latex is more flexible and it's cut at a 90 degree angle, allowing for less of a radius where the two mattresses meet. Were you able to try two twin extra long latex mattresses side by side in either of the showrooms you visited to see if you didn’t like it?

this store they (according to them) exclusively offer the savvy rest in a split top or flex top design so only the top 1/3 is split allowing for an adjustable bed with independent movement of the top. My biggest question is are there any pitfalls to this design other than the more expensive split top fitted sheets?


I couldn’t find any information about this split upper third configuration for the Savvy Rest on The Relax in Comfort web site. Savvy Rest doesn’t offer such a configuration on their own web site, so perhaps Relax in Comfort is having a custom casing made by the vendor Savvy Rest uses, or perhaps they’re using the split encasement that they use for their ComfortAire mattresses. Did they tell you is the casing is the same GOTS certified one that Savvy Rest has made for them? If you’re able to find out this information or post any links it would be interesting to see and learn about.

This split configuration has been used recently by a few air bed manufacturers, but it is not something commonly offered elsewhere. Things change in the industry quickly with new innovations, and it’s not something that I’d be able to keep up to date with all of the new offerings from every manufacturer. That task would unfortunately be an impossibility for me or anyone else. :) You are correct in that you would need to find specialized mattress pads and fitted sheets, so that is a bit of a downside.

Last in the demo they were raising the bottom independently as well but that's not split it related a ramp effect on the mattress which wasn't bothersome in the testing but again i do wonder what that would do long term. I don't know if you can link the adjustables for only the bottom half to work in unison vs top half independent.


I’m not exactly certain as to what you’re describing for the “ramp effect” of the bottom part of the adjustable bed bases. Ideally you’d want the bottom part of the power bases linked so that they move in unison, and then of course the upper sections would be moving independently. This would be another question for Relax in Comfort, as when most adjustable bed bases are pairs, both the bottom and head move in unison, and I didn’t find any information regarding this on their web site. Perhaps they’re using adjustable bed bases for use with their ComfortAire upper split products that are specifically programmed to pair on the bottom of the bases (which is what you’d want). As a consumer, I’d want to be completely familiar with the entire range of motion of the power foundations and how they are coordinated with each other.

I’m looking forward to finding out if you’re able to discover any of the information we’ve discussed here from Relax in Comfort.

Phoenix
13 Nov 2016 11:09
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So we began our bed search online doing research and thanks to this site i was able to resolve alot of what i thought i wanted vs what i really was looking for, so thank you for that.

We decided we wanted all latex due to the size difference between my wife and I (she's 5'6 130 and im 5'9 250) we also knew we wanted to customize the two sides. We set out on trying to test a few options locally and while our options were limited we accomplished our goal.

Fox Mattress - nice people but they glue the layers and wont do it any other way so because ive had major weight swings in the past and am currently working on a downward trend this was not an option for us as id want to be able to switch up the layers or possibly replace the layers down the road.

Relax in comfort - they are a savvy rest - comfortaire - reverie mattress and adjustable dealer. So we tested the reverie with the dream cells and although it felt pretty good it didn't compare to the savvy rest. This is where it gets more difficult as my original plan was to test the savvy rest to find the layer combo and then order from one of the preferred online dealers - either ez or fsf, however at this store they (according to them) exclusively offer the savvy rest in a split top or flex top design so only the top 1/3 is split allowing for an adjustable bed with independent movement of the top. Now up until experiencing this we were never considering the adjustable because my wife and I are very different in our sleeping positions and thus would never likely find a happy medium and we were not willing to do a true split as the dividing line would in our opinion create a romantic divide as well. So long story short if we decide we want to move to the adjustable its making all other options out of the question. My biggest question is are there any pitfalls to this design other than the more expensive split top fitted sheets? Last in the demo they were raising the bottom independently as well but that's not split it related a ramp effect on the mattress which wasn't bothersome in the testing but again i do wonder what that would do long term. I don't know if you can link the adjustables for only the bottom half to work in unison vs top half independent. This version with only the top third sperate was what was so appealing.

Other question is do any of the custom makers offer this split head configuration, I don't see it listed on sleep ez or fsf
07 Nov 2016 14:52
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Hi sonicfox,

Thank you for your detailed response, Phoenix. I'm definitely not here to promote the mattress. I just found it intriguing.


No worries. :silly: I appreciate you bringing it up for everyone’s attention.

I saw their video of the Enersorb foam, and it's definitely bouncy like latex. It doesn't behave like memory foam. Upon researching Enersorb, I only came across a manufacturer of really expensive office chairs that use it


It might surprise people to learn that mattresses are a small part of the overall application of many of these foams. Office chairs are a popular use for HD polyfoams and memory foams.

As for the copper-infused top layer, which I assume is some sort of memory foam, I'm taking that with a grain of salt. I'm skeptical of how much the copper (if it even works!) could help with a cover and protector over it anyway. The health "benefits" remind me of magnetic bracelets. They are supposed to help circulation, yet the magnets on them barely can hold up a paperclip. Lol!


While there is some validity to the heat transfer claims using minerals, the other health benefit claims are specious. For example, see this about Power Bracelets.

The other mattresses I'm currently debating are a DIY latex or latex/urethane foam mattress, or going with the Brooklyn Bedding, Best Mattress Ever. I'm not a big fan of memory foam

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The Brooklyn Bedding Best Mattress Ever uses a 2” blended Talalay latex layer over a 2” synthetic Dunlop latex layer, over a 6” 2.0 lb. density polyfoam core. This mattress uses higher quality materials and there are no weak links in the overall product. Brooklyn Bedding is a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. They are extremely knowledgeable about latex and their different configurations with polyfoam bases, and I would not hesitate to recommend them for your consideration.

Phoenix
07 Nov 2016 11:54
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Hi sonicfox,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Currently, I'm looking for a new mattress. I'm going to order it online because I don't want to deal with mattress sales people. However, shopping for a mattress is SO overwhelming.


Just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly help you know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

As you stated you want to shop online, the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs, options, and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Use the experience and expertise of the members listed in post #21 here who are all very experienced and knowledgeable and specialize in providing the type of help and guidance on the phone that can help you make good choices. There are a wide range of latex and memory foam and other options included in the choices there and I believe that all of them compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency. Their detailed knowledge of their mattresses and how they fit with different body types and sleeping positions along with your feedback from local testing, a customer base of many people that they can use as reference points, and any exchange, return, or any options they have available to customize a mattress after a purchase can help lower the risk of an online purchase. These online retailers or manufacturers can also be a good "value reference" for local purchases to make sure that if you are paying a "premium" for a local purchase (in exchange for the kind of "in person" guidance, service, and value that comes with dealing with a local retailer that can help you make more "accurate" choices that you have tested in person) is not too high.

Post #2 here and this topic have more about the pros and cons of a local vs an online purchase.

I came across a new mattress called Performasleep. It's a mattress designed for athletes, but it looks like it would be a good quality mattress for anyone. It's unique in the way it uses Enersorb foam. I've not seen any other bed on the market using this foam, but it seems like a high quality comfort foam, and even with the bounce of latex.


I can’t tell if you are asking questions about the componentry in this product, or being promotional, but since this is a newer mattress that hasn’t yet been discussed on the forum I’ll do my best to provide some information.

The Performasleep website provides no meaningful information about the foam in their mattress. The top 2” layer is a gel infused polyfoam called CopperCool. Beneath that is a 2” layer of Enersorb memory foam. Beneath that is a 7” base layer of polyfoam.

For the top CopperCool layer of polyfoam, there have been healing claims made about copper for years. Here is an article that discusses that. Most of the “health benefit” claims of copper are anecdotal and often made by athletes, but in the past few years companies making claims of true health benefits or increases in performance have been fined by the FTC.

Copper is encapsulated and currently used in some foams, more for the small additional amount of heat transfer that it can provide. Copper itself is a very thermal conductive material so it would make sense that copper fiber infused foam (or other types of more advanced thermally conductive materials such as graphite) would be a little more effective than the gel that is more commonly used but it would also depend on the amount of copper that was in the foam. The copper gel is relatively new but if you know the density of the foam layers then it really doesn't matter how new it is anyway since the density of the foam is the single biggest factor that will affect the durability and useful life of the mattress.

The second layer of Enersorb foam is a newer type of foam that has the properties of memory foam (getting softer as it gets warmer), but it has more resiliency than a traditional memory foam.

In order to assess whether a mattress was a “good quality”, you need to find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase. Your best source for this information would be a phone call to Performasleep. I’ll be interested to learn if you are able gather that information.

Has anyone here tried this mattress?


While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

I look forward to finding out if you’re able to gather more information about the componentry within this mattress.

Phoenix
21 Oct 2016 17:51
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Hi ShellyS,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :cheer:

Looking for a mattress in the delray/ Palm Beach area of Florida.


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the general Ft Lauderdale / Miami / Palm Beach Gardens areas that would also include Delray Beach (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets your criteria and the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here .

The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Stuart / West Palm Beach areas are listed in post #2 here .

Leaning to going to Fox for 2 sided florida type bed


Fox Mattress is a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

I look forward to hearing about what you end up purchasing.

Phoenix
21 Oct 2016 14:32
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Looking for a mattress in the delray/ Palm Beach area of Florida. Do I need to go to Daytona area for a really good mattress , or to other coast? Leaning to going to Fox for 2 sided florida type bed. Memory foam to hot, dont want body impressions after a few months. Wish it was closer. Been reading posts and checking out this site for info. Thanks.
29 Jun 2016 15:24
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I've read a few posts already about Phoenix's recommended or just stores in the area and unfortunately I won't make it to fox mattresses, but tomorrow I am going to Coleman Mattresses. Price range around $800, looking for a full size for myself.. and yknow two 50lb dogs too.. hehe

I do a mixture of side/stomach sleeping, and so far all I really know is to get a 8-9" mattress with a comfort layer of 3"(for side sleeping). I don't know specifics yet or anything but I'm hoping the people at Coleman are really knowledgeable, and i'm assuming they are because of their family owned business and that Phoenix has recommended them. I'll be sure to mention themattressunderground for any possible discounts ; )

I don't know anything about anything and have been reading quite a bit on this site but still feel so lost @[email protected] hopefully it goes well
14 Jun 2016 15:28
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Thank you for all your help! We actually were in the car travelling to fox mattress when you wrote. We bought their chiropractor's dream and it will be delivered this Friday:)
09 Jun 2016 16:59
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Hi maximizedmom77,

Hi again! We still have not bought a mattress. If you were to choose between golden mattress from jax mattress and a mattress from fox mattress, would fox be a much better choice?


It would depend on the specifics of each mattress I was comparing. There is more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

Having said that ... Fox Mattress is a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency so all else being equal in terms of the mattresses themselves I would tend to lean towards making a purchase from them.

If we go to fox, I really hope they will be extremely knowledgeable in knowing what a good fit is for my husband and me.


They are certainly knowledgeable and can provide you with good guidance about the pros and cons of different mattresses but again you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress so any final choice about which mattresses you prefer or which mattress to purchase will always need to be based on your own "informed best judgement" since nobody else can make the choice for you.

Do they offer any discount if you mention the mattress underground?


Yes ,., they provide a 5% discount to the members of the forum if you let them know you are a member here.

Here are the rest of the specs by golden mattress from jax mattress:

9 inch pocketed spring system. 2 inch of 2 lb soft foam. 2 inch of 4lb slow recovery cool gel memory foam. 2 inch of plush foam quilted at the top. 15 inch profile.


If you can provide the density of the top 2" layer I'd be happy to make some comments about the durability of the materials and the mattress "as a whole".

Phoenix
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