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08 Feb 2021 05:44
  • Mattrebuild
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I've been to Fox Mattress, great folks over there and always seemed happy to help. That said maybe I can provide a few suggestions that might assist you on your quest. First let's have a look at the inside of your current mattress and see why it doesn't work for you or your wife.

Here's a breakdown of what's inside an original purple mattress (all white cover):


As you can see there's 2" of the gel polymer, 3.5" of (1.8lb, unknown ILD) HD polyfoam and 4" of (2.0lb, unknown ILD) HD polyfoam. Now without knowing your body shape or seeing any photos (showing alignment) it sounds like you are going through the gel comfort layer and your hip/shoulders are hitting the support layers below. Your wife complaining of neck issues could be pillow related or it could be an alignment issue with the shoulders not going into the mattress if this occurs with side sleeping. I would suggest you both take a photo of each other in side sleeping position and check if your spines are straight or not (you should be able to draw a straight line from your tailbone through the base of your neck and out the top of your head).

It sounds like you do like hybrid mattresses and in Florida sleeping hot can definitely be an issue so my suggestion would be to go for a latex hybrid with all talalay on the comfort layers above the coils. I always suggest in cases like this getting one that has a zippable cover so you can tune it (adjust the latex layers) to your own preferences in case it doesn't work perfectly right out of the box. Not sure if Fox can custom build you a mattress like this (might be wort asking) and how much it might cost. This way you could have them help you try different combos of latex foams at the factory (even creating a split if needed so you have your wife have different zones). If they won't do that then there are quite a few other manufacturers that could help you get something like this that would work well for you. I'll leave Sensei and Phoenix to speak to those options for you.
07 Feb 2021 15:42
  • darrylb
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So, we did the hike to Fox Mattress today, and I can see why they are highly recommended. Chelsea (daughter of the owners), was extremely helpful. Chelsea and I spoke a few minutes, and I filled her in on our challenges. About the third mattress she showed us, was the Key West which was the most plush one they had on the floor. Its layers were basically:

Quilted Cotton Cover
Talalay Latex
High Density 3LB Super Soft Density Preserve Foam
High Density 3LB Density Preserve Foam
Quantum Coil

It felt extremely close to the high end Temperpedic we were originally interested in, probably overall better material, and at 1/3 off. We believe in the product far more as well. My wife and my spine seemed much more straight in this bed, than others as well, which was a good sign.

I primarily run into 3 concerns with this mattress:
1. Will it sleep hotter than my current mattress? (Purple classic)
2. Will it help relieve my shoulder pain? (It doesn't appear so, but it was <better> than the purple.) Note: I think my shoulder pains for the last decade plus, have been because I sit at a computer all day...and ergonomics are beating me up badly.
3. They do not have a return policy, it is a 90 day comfort exchange. So, they would try to customize it further--but Chelsea did admit, that there wasn't much they could do around the shoulder area which is my main concern. But she did indicate it would soften up a bit compared to the floor model.

As I go through the checklist, this mattress seems to be moving in the right direction.
1. Feel: The Latex + Topper seemed to be right for us. We tried alternatives including a pure latex, but that was rejected instantly by the wife the moment she laid on it.
2. Material: It uses High Density 3LB foams, and talalay latex
3. Cooling: Coils on the bottom, and highly breathable Latex---I believe is a win
4. Cost: 1/3 less than the Temperpedic

Thoughts on my concerns? Or feedback in the thought process?

Thanks!
06 Feb 2021 16:53
  • darrylb
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Whoah, thank you for such a rich reply!

You are actually hitting on some key observations I was making myself. The list kept getting longer, and the confusion was growing, which is not good.

Ill check the tag of the mattress upstairs for the model. My only complaint really, was it was warn down, and just a bit hotter than ideal. Funny thing is, MattressFirm even mentioned people love the pervious BeautyRest mattresses as well--seems to be a common theme.

You mentioned side sleepers and BMI:
I did see a typo, I am 6'1 @ 180 (not 8'1), and for completeness, shes 5' @ 120(ish). We have pretty standard frames, and keep pretty healthy.

I will read throug that active-thread on alignment on pressure points asap!.

Yes, all my toppers were memory foam variants. It was this, that made me start thinking I needed latex of some form, even if its only a bit. We did love a (i think it was) 3inch topper, and how it felt--but I felt like I was also in a sauna within 30minutes. So we definately like a plush bed. We dont like how difficult movement is, once you get to the 3inch foams though. (By itself).

As far as Temperpedic goes, I had found that Post you linked, and had made the same discovery and assumptions, before you approved me to this forum. So I was happy about that, its ultimately buying into a brand name.

As for mattress foundation/microclimate we use an adjustable base, very very heavy/strong one, and we use cooling sheets such as Sheex. (We have two of their cooling types) and have used Bamboo sheets with some decent luck. Often I find myself sleeping without a comforter even on the purple bed, during our Orlando summers. (With ceiling fan on, room temperature at 73)

I did see Fox Mattress, and it is a hike with a 2yr old---but it may be the best chance we have to experience a variety of options, and start figuring out what we like.

Thank you so much for your reply, and supporting this forum as a whole. It is a treasure-trove of never-ending information.
06 Feb 2021 14:48
  • phoenix
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Hi darrylb.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :) I am sorry to hear of your discomfort on your Purple Mattress.

Our prior bed that we loved, was a Beautyrest from Mattress Firm, some 10 years ago. My only complaint was it wasn't a king (for when I got married) and it slept a bit warm.


There are many fans of the older Simmons Beauty Rest mattresses! Their more "traditional" construction of a quilted top innerspring mattress was popular in the old days. Do. you happen to remember which model of Beauty Rest it was? I would be interested to see if we can find the layer specifications.

We have been slowly researching, reading, etc--and found that the Temperpedic Breeze (Soft) feels pretty darn good to us as both the other beds we have are more plush then the Purple
Mattress, by at least 2 points on a 10 scale. But I feel I am buying into a brand and paying a premium, and less buying into something unique at this point. The more I read on Temperpedic on Mattress Underground, that only seems to confirm my opinion.


Just for the sake of reference ... the materials in the Tempurpedic Breeze are as follows ...
Quilt
Tempur-Breeze & Microsuede
100% Polyester
Comfort / transition Layers
2" TEMPUR-ES comfort layer 4.1 LB
2" TEMPUR Support Layer 5.3 LB
Support System Polyfoam core (Dual Airflow System)
3.5" Airflow Baselayer 2.2lb
3.5" Airflow Baselayer 2.2lb

While this mattress would not have any weak links in terms of durability for you and your wife’s BMI, compared to many mattresses made by smaller manufacturers ... there is nothing special about this Tempurpedic line outside of their name recognition and the amount of advertising they do. You can see some of my general thoughts about Tempurpedic in post #10 here and the posts it links to and while for the most part they do use good quality materials ... for most people they certainly wouldn't be in the best value range compared to many other similar mattresses that use the same or similar quality materials (or sometimes better quality) and are in much lower price ranges.

The most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability (which is all about how long you will sleep well) and in terms of durability, a mattress is only as good as its construction and the quality and durability of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label.

About Us, and our desire:
- 37 and 38 yr old
- I am a side sleeper 100%
- Wife is 80% side sleeper, 20% back sleeper.
- I am 8'1 @ 180lbs
- She is 5' @ below my weight.


As you are both side sleepers , a good starting point for a good comfort layer for is 3" and then depending on weight, body shape, preferences, and the firmness of the support layers, to go up or down from there. Most side sleepers will fall in the range of from 2" - 4". And because you are both within a BMI of 20 - 30 II assume this is true of your wife, since I don't know her weight) and are considering mattresses with poly or memory foam in the comfort layers, I would keep these recommendations in mind:

- Polyurethane foam (often called polyfoam): If your mattress is one-sided then I would make sure that the density of any polyfoam is at least 1.8 lb per cubic foot or higher. If the mattress is two-sided then I would use a minimum foam density of 1.5 lbs per cubic foot or higher.
- Memory foam (or gel memory foam): If your mattress is one-sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 4 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two-sided then I would use a minimum density of 3 lbs per cubic foot.

Ultimately at a high level our desires are this:
1. Good warranty
2. Fairly cool bed (similar or better than the original Purple).
3. Plush (4-6 out of 10, assuming a Purple is a 7)
4. Can be on an adjustable base (we have one)
5. Helps reduce our pressure points. (I have them in hip and shoulder, wife gets them in back).


I always have a hard time pointing people in the right direction because definitions of soft and firm can very so much, especially in regards to support. Firmness and support really aren't as tied together as it may seem. For example, there are foams that that very soft (between 10-16 IFD) but actually have higher support than foams with higher IFDs.

Additionally, comparing the softness/firmness of a mattress you might consider with another mattress on the market no matter how widely available might be is no possible (except in general terms) because a mattress wok as a whole and in combination with the individuals sleeping on the.

So, I’d say a firmness rating scale is unreliable at worst and at best only possible as an internal way to compare mattresses made by the same company or/and … tested by the same individuals. To give you a quick example someone with an “hour-glass” and very curvy body profile which are also is sleeping on their side might have trouble with most mattresses even in soft configuration. You can see this 3-page more extreme alignment/pressure points real case scenario we currently have in progress to give you an idea of how different the perception of softness/firmness can be from person to person

As you are considering a GhostBed, I would suggest reaching out to or visiting them so they can help with making the best comfort/support choice. If they are given your stats and information about your body types, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about mattresses you have tested and done well with, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress, they'll be able to help guide you.

As you mentioned that you slept hot on all toppers you purchased (which I suspect were memory foam variations) you may wish to consider a mattress that has latex in the comfort layer as it tends to sleep the coolest of all the foams and offers the "plush" feel that many desire while offering secondary support and reducing pressure points.

Additionally, I am not sure if you came across some of our posts that discuss temperature regulations issues, but you can read more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here more about tracking mattress temperature regulation issues potential causes ~ Post #2 here (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) and the posts it links to that may be helpful. You may also be interested in the information in post #29 about temperature regulation and mattress microclimate.

As far as warranties go, they only cover defects in a mattress which are generally defined as visible impressions that are more than a specified amount when there is no weight on the mattress (normally from .75" to 2") and don't cover changes in the firmness of the materials and the loss of comfort and support which is the biggest reason that you will need to replace a mattress. This I would put more stock in the return/trial policies of any company you may be considering.

We don't have anywhere in Orlando (34787) that we know of to experience Latex (that I have found), nor a company that isn't just peddling the big names of Sealy, Temperpedic, Sleep
Number, Beauty Rest, you get it. I am in Orlando (zip: 34787), and cant seem to find many local small shop "i know my stuff" mattress companies

Fox Mattress specializes in sleeping cool as well as temperature and humidity regulation, and they offer latex (amongst other) options. They are located about 90 minutes away from where you are.
GhostBed has a showroom about 3 hours from you, but doesn't offer latex...but you would be able to test their mattresses in person which is a plus.
Luma Sleep offers latex and hybrid options while their HQ are about an hour from where you are., they don’t have a showroom any longer. You may want to call them or ask questions directly on LumaSleep dedicated forum on TMU

I'm at a loss, this is exhausting!. hah


There is no shortcut to doing this fast and ensuring the mattress is a good fit. The good news is that if you do it right then you don't have to worry about it for the next decade or even more. I know it isn't quite that straight forward and "linear" to select a mattress. There is a lot of contradictory and confusing information. I would step back a bit and would not add more mattresses to your list. it is easy to get into an impulse shopping mode and select something based on cleverly crafted advertising verbiage. and first, try to understand a bit more your needs and preferences. I am saying this as I am noticing that you selected a very wide range of mattress types and materials. Once you determine what type of mattress and materials you prefer and need you can use new criteria to eliminate and narrow your mattress search based on these criteria. Then you can apply a second and very important criteria of "durability" .. eliminate all mattresses that do not meet the durability guidelines for my BMI .... then a third "temperature regulation" e.g. eliminate all mattresses that have the potential to sleep hot... and so on. But that is all covered in the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones which would include the major brands such as Serta or any mattress where you aren't able to find out the quality of the materials inside it. When assessing any product, also be sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

I hope this helps you as you continue in your research. I look forward to progress reports or future questions

Phoenix.
31 Jan 2021 11:13
  • Sensei
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Hey Ever_Curious,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground :) ! Thanks for your question.

I am looking to put a latex mattress in my camper (full size queen) and want to cut down the weight if possible. The trailer is lightweight so I don't need to add 160lbs sitting right by the hitch... I need to keep the mattress at 10" or lower because of the construction of the trailer, and really love the idea of latex for comfort and heat reasons. I want a 3" soft Talaylay layer on the top and a medium to firm support layer (even better if there is a transition of some sort). Please share any builds or suggestions!


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :) ! If you're looking for a Talalay latex solution for your trailer, you've come to the right place! A number of our TMU trusted members specialize in the RV/ trailer/ custom Talalay latex mattress space and would be happy to offer suggestions, here are a few that come to mind:


And if you do wind up making a purchase from one of these experienced, quality manufacturers, you may receive a small TMU discount bonus as a "Thank You" for supporting our trusted member program in return for asking one question towards your mattress research efforts…and this question counts as one ;) . Good luck with your latex mattress DIY for your trailer and safe travels to you, Ever_Curious.

Sensei
11 Jan 2021 08:18
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Hey Octonion,

Thanks for your reply and updates :) .

I am not sure why it is not clear to you from what I have written. I simply tried to explain the process of my mattress search and how I ended up concluding that a hybrid mattress of foam + coil is the best combination for a mattress. I explained the issues that I have experienced in using other mattresses.
Also it is totally unclear where you got the idea that I have already purchased the information.


Thank you for explaining your mattress research process, Octonion. My apologies for not following your statement in your previous post : "So I need to go for a hybrid: foam + coil and so I ended up AmeriSleep AS2 Hybrid.". Consumers on the forum often use the expressions "ended up" in the same way as "having bought" or "went with" when casually saying that they purchased a particular mattress.

So I will further simplify my post for you:

1) I have NOT purchased Amerisleep mattress AS2 Hybrid. I am still looking to purchase a mattress and this AS2 Hybrid is at the top of my list.


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :) ! From Amerisleep's site, the AS2 Hybrid cutaway image depicts a proprietary gel memory foam comfort layer, a proprietary 5-zoned transition layer over a pocket coil array with perimeter edge support. The mattress comes in one firmness: medium firm. As they do not share any component specifications, you would want to consult with them regarding those details for assurance they would meet appropriate durability guidelines .

2) I am looking for any feedback on the AS2 Hybrid mattress from people who have experienced or have more information about it.


You may have already found this Phoenix post regarding the Amerisleep AS2 (not Hybrid model) ; I included it here as there are many helpful links for your consideration.

3) If there is a similar mattress build from any TMU trusted member list, please let me know.
Thanks!


These TMU trusted members offer similar memory foam hybrid mattresses, they have been linked to their product pages for your review:


Hopefully, you will find some of the links useful. Any of these trusted members would be happy to help you with questions regarding which of their hybrid mattresses may be a close match to the AS2 Hybrid, should you be interested in their products. Here is a checklist of questions that you may find helpful when researching your mattress purchase. With any manufacturer/ retailer that you are considering otherwise, you would want to be sure that their foams are made in the USA and are CertiPUR-US Certified, which means they've been tested by a credible 3rd party for any known harmful chemicals. Hope these thought starters are a bit more helpful and good luck with your mattress shopping journey :) .

Thanks,
Sensei
16 Oct 2020 08:22
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Hey Beckyhart05,

Thanks for your question :) .

I’m a lightweight, petite (5 ft tall, 120 lbs) side and back sleeper. I like a soft mattress BUT I know I need good support because if it’s too soft I end up with lower back pain. I really like the memory foam feel, and prefer to sleep in my bed rather than on top. What I don’t like, and what we’ve recently tried, is the original purple and a customized organic latex. The purple was too firm and the latex just isn't for me. I’m looking to get a twin XL, budget of around $1000 but would consider going a little higher for the right one. Is there such a thing as a comfy, plush mattress that offers support?


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :) ! Yes Beckyhart05; comfy, plush mattresses offering support are available in memory foam. You may consider beginning your research comparisons using our TMU trusted member directory, these manufacturers sell quality memory foam mattresses and can help you make choices based on your unique preferences:


Looking forward to hearing more as your mattress shopping journey progresses…;) .

Thanks,
Sensei
28 Aug 2020 12:28
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Hey sboehning,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) !

We are headed to Volusia County to visit Fox Mattress. TMU gave many options for locations closer to our Vero Beach Home, but judging from the comments here, we will make the 4 hour round trip figuring it will lead to less time trying to figure out if we are getting what we want.

Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey! Happy to hear you found some showroom recommendations here at the forum. Have you made store visits as of yet and if so, how did things go? Looking forward to hearing more on your research when you have time for sharing…

Thanks,
Sensei
22 Aug 2020 15:17
We are headed to Volusia County to visit Fox Mattress. TMU gave many options for locations closer to our Vero Beach Home, but judging from the comments here, we will make the 4 hour round trip figuring it will lead to less time trying to figure out if we are getting what we want.
09 Aug 2020 10:28
  • Jethro
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Hi Redfox,

I think you’ll be pleased with the result of adding a topper. Definitely keep me posted as to how it works for you.

However is talalay superior to dunlop?

This is the topper I'm interested in. It's 6cm although I think 5cm is latex and 1cm may be the cotton cover. It's selling for $409 aud ($293 usd) and has a 100 night trial. If I'm unhappy it'll get picked up from me for a refund.

www.fernearth.com.au/products/fern-mattr...riant=20496568320070


Talalay and Dunlop are fabricated differently – one isn’t necessarily superior to the other. For the same ILD, Talalay feel is softer, bouncier, and springier than Dunlop and a great option for pressure relief on hips and shoulders. Dunlop is denser and firmer, and overall better at offering adequate support for proper spinal alignment. Talalay is the most popular option between the two when it comes to toppers.

I did a bit of browsing on the topper you’re considering. It does appear to be a full 5cm of latex (Dunlop). It appears this company prefers Dunlop over Talalay because they find it eco-friendlier in its production. It looks like they offer a luxury plush option if you’re looking for softer support.

Overall, it looks like a high-quality product. I think you can probably safely try this topper, and if you dislike it, rest assured (pun somewhat intended) that you can return it for a full refund and try a Talalay option instead.

Best of luck!

Jethro
05 Aug 2020 18:31
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Hi Redfox!

Thanks for your question and congratulations on your new mattress! Welcome all the way from Australia! We love the Aussie unique strain of healthy humor (with and without a good night sleep) :)

I had purchased a new bed frame/foundation but used 10x wooden slats from my old frame (12 years old). These wooden slats were Pine wood, 3cm thick and 9cm wide. The gaps between these slats were around 8.5cm - 10.5cm. I slept on this for a week and it was comfy, it was the right firmness for support with plush for comfort.

However, I realised that these gaps may be too wide and reduce the lifespan of my new mattress. So I went and bought brand new slats. 14x Pine wooden slats 3cm x 9cm. Now the gaps are 3.5cm - 4.5cm (around 1.6"). Sleeping on it for the past 3 nights I feel like the firmness has increased and gotten less comfortable than previously with 10x slats.


I appreciate the background information. I entirely understand wanting to use the correct base for your new mattress and get the most comfort and longest life out of your new purchase!

1. Are my new gaps of 4cm (1.6") too close and detrimental to a side sleeper? I don't want to have issues with my shoulders and hips over time.


You have a latex mattress and you are using pine slats (3cmx9cm). I realize there is not a whole lot you can do with your frame, since the slats are currently glued in place. That said, if you feel the mattress is too firm, you could try with 7.6 cm (3”) gaps maximum for better comfort.

2. Do Natural Latex mattresses soften over time to become more comfortable? How long on average?


I took a look and can see that the mattress is 100% natural latex. All foam materials will soften over time but natural latex, in general, is the most durable of all the foam materials so it will soften less and more gradually than other types of foam materials as it is denser, more resilient, and more supportive than its blended or synthetic latex counterparts.

The softness of a foam material will also affect its durability because softer layers are less durable than firmer layers that use the same type of material, and foam materials will also soften and break down faster for those that are in higher weight ranges than for those that are in lower weight ranges.

There will be a break-in and adjustment period for any new mattress or sleeping system as the mattress loses any of its "false firmness" and the cover stretches and loosens a little and the materials settle and your body gets used to a sleeping surface that is different from what it is used to (Learn more about that in here ).

You may have already come across this resource, but it never hurts to check out/compare the specifications of the mattress you have purchased with our Mattress Durability Guidelines .

With 6” mattress thickness (15 cm) I think you are just on the threshold of sleeping well and not so well on this mattress mainly because the mattress is a bit too thin to allow for a right comfort/support balance for a BMI of 25.3 kg/m2 (73kg, 170cm) which leads me to believe that you might do well to add a topper. If I could comfortably afford it there is no doubt I would go in the direction of adding more thickness to the mattress (see post #14 here ) and also check that then the topper/mattress combo is a good "match" for your weight range in terms of PPP, but I would wait for the adjustment period before I would make that determination.

3. Weird that my warranty states gaps should not be more than 3cm, which seems very close.


The first thing to do is always to check with the mattress manufacturer you’ve purchased and ask (in writing) of their opinion and permission to make sure that the foundation is appropriate for the new slat arrangement and doesn’t void your warranty (the difference would be between .5 – 1.5 cm which is not too much and I expect that a good manufacturer would not void the warranty). But you need this in writing if things don’t go as well as you expect with the durability of the product.

I agree that 3cm seems close and IMO not that necessary. Most manufacturers recommend 3" (7.62 cm) or preferably less for latex. You would also want to compare this with the width of the slats themselves. I would consider you also check the recommended slat width with your mattress manufacturer if that information is available.

I hope this helps offer some clarity regarding the best base for your new mattress!

Jethro
04 Aug 2020 16:20
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Hi Redfox and thanks for reaching out! Yes the changes you’ve made to the slats are responsible for the change in firmness you’ve encountered, it’s not a placebo effect I’m sure. Latex does soften over time because it’s a biodegradable product that’s not loaded with preservatives like formaldehyde and other nasty chemicals like some other mattresses are. However, it normally takes at least 3-5 years to even notice the softening, at least that’s been my experience with it. Latex rarely takes a body impression, so that’s really not a problem you should expect to encounter. Only a VERY small percentage of our customers end up requesting a warranty check on their mattress, and most of the time it turns out that the foundation is the problem. Now that you’ve got the foundation squared away it really shouldn’t be a problem for you to get 15 to 20 or even 30 years out of the mattress, depending on many factors of course.

Latex foam is a naturally breathable, open celled product and a slatted foundation is not necessary for the mattress to sleep cool. A slatted foundation will enhance the breathability but certainly isn't necessary because the mattress will breath on all exposed sides. As such, the gaps you have now will be just fine. We try to steer customers away from platform foundations if they live in very high humidity areas because the cover can actually get mold on it if moisture builds up between the mattress and the platform and it isn’t cleaned up. Just FYI, the latex itself rarely gets moldy and I think the reason is actually pretty interesting. Latex sap lines the bark of the rubber tree and is the tree’s natural defense against mold, mildew, bacteria, and other things that live out in the jungle. One that sap is turned into a foam, those inherent properties are maintained and things like dust mites, mold, mildew, bacteria, etc. have a very hard time surviving in latex.
03 Jun 2020 15:39
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Seneca55:

They said they are currently short handed and got an order from a college for a large number of mattresses. Very disappointed as they had a superior product.


Many mattress manufacturers are playing catch up right now. Delays are pretty common, and there is a shortage of some of the non-wovens due to their use in masks and surgical gowns.

1. The Fox mattress with the much better foam will have a longer lifespan and comfort consistency but I am unsure how long in years that could be to determine if the extra cost is worth it. Based on your experience in the industry and looking at the components what would your best guess be about a reasonable range for the lifespan of each of the two mattresses?


There are many variables involved in overall mattress durability, and estimating comfort life can be very difficult. Body type, use patterns, maintenance, combinations of materials...they all have an impact. But higher density polyfoams will usually produce a longer and more consistent comfort life.

2. Do you think the distance/warranty is a major issue?


That's personal to you. My own opinion is that I'd rather have a product using higher quality materials from a reputable and experienced manufacturer with a shorter warranty than something using lower quality materials with a longer warranty. Having higher quality materials will tend to hedge your bets for the need of a potential warranty claim, and comfort isn't covered under a warranty, and that's the real thing that wears out on a mattress. Warranty is pretty low on my list of importance when representing a product to someone.

3. Do you think we should not consider any mattress we haven't tried, even if it fits our type and we tried similar ones?


Again, that's a personal preference and how comfortable you are buying something sight unseen. I've found that the most reliable descriptions of the product will come from the manufacturer, and they would be best able to compare for you how their mattresses compare to something else. Check to see if there are any return/exchange policies. And be aware that items may "be like" something else you've tried, but unless they use the exact same materials they will have different qualities and feels. Some people are more fussy than others in their comfort preferences. You know yourself better than I do.

4. As we are looking at a plush mattress (we both much preferred them) I do worry that we are picking the kind of mattress that will have the shortest lifespan. Should we consider a firmer foam knowing it will soften in time?


Again, this is subjective. All foams do soften with use over time. My advice is that if you try something in a showroom and when you test it you decide that you'd never want anything softer, then you need to choose something that is a bit stiffer on top, as the mattress will generally feel more soft on top as time goes on (which can then over time actually result in "feeling through" some of the upper softer layers to the firmer deep layers and then the mattress feels harder - but this depends upon construction and componentry used). Sleep ergonomic researchers generally would like you to defer toward good support characteristics and then "just enough" comfort materials to get the job done.

Good luck!
03 Jun 2020 12:42
  • Seneca55
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Hello Mr. Scheuer,

We had a setback in that Southern Mattress suddenly said they can't make a mattress for me just as I was about to place the order. They said they are currently short handed and got an order from a college for a large number of mattresses. Very disappointed as they had a superior product.

I had been considering and very impressed with Fox Mattresses which is a TMU member and decided to give them another look. While they are in Florida and I am in North Carolina, I have really appreciated working with Chelsea (the owner's daughter) as she has been very transparent, willing to answer questions, and most importantly her chief concern has been what is best for me and that I get a good outcome. She clearly cares about the customer first and making a sale second. I am considering a queen size in their Foxopedic line which has the following specs:

overall mattress: 12" thick, two sided

inner spring: 12.5 gauge offset coil unit, edge to edge coil unit, double tempered steel, with foam and steel edge supports, and vulcan oil coated to prevent rust

foam: 2.3lb, 3" thick on each side; soy mixed polyfoam; we would go with the soft foam (ILD 17-20); also has sag resistant netting layer

fire barrier: rayon/silica

cover fabric - cotton

warranty - 10 years (non-prorated), >1.25" deep sag covered

price inc. tax, box spring, and shipping ($1698)

Our other option is still The Original Mattress Factory's Orthopedic Ultra Plush set in a queen size.

overall mattress: 14.5"; two-sided

inner spring - 12.75 gauge, 400 unit, 486 coils, 6 turns, single tempered; foam cylinder edge supports

foam - 1.5lb in two 1" thick layers with another 3/4" in the quilting on each side; ILD of 15

fire barrier - rayon/silica

warranty - 12 years non-prorated, covers > 1.5" sag depth

price inc. shipping, box spring, tax ($1,170)

Here are my thoughts:
1. Fox is better mattress as has better foam which is the weak link.
2. Due to distance have not tried the Fox mattress. That obviously raises questions about how much we will like it. That said, we have tried enough mattresses to know our type (plush with thick layers of soft foam, innerspring with offset or bonnell unit about 12.75 gauge) and I haven't noticed a big difference between different mattresses of this type.
3. Warranty is a problem with Fox in that we would have to ship the mattress to Florida. That said, it is a high quality mattress so it would seem that something like a broken coil is very unlikely.
4. Intangibles - OMF has treated us well and have an helpful manager but they cover the entire eastern US and are fairly large; I like Fox a lot better as a smaller company and they are the type of company you can establish a long term relationship with; we will be needing a guest room mattress and a new mattress for my son in the next 1-2 years.

So I am torn and would appreciate some help making a decision.

1. The Fox mattress with the much better foam will have a longer lifespan and comfort consistency but I am unsure how long in years that could be to determine if the extra cost is worth it. Based on your experience in the industry and looking at the components what would your best guess be about a reasonable range for the lifespan of each of the two mattresses?
2. Do you think the distance/warranty is a major issue?
3. Do you think we should not consider any mattress we haven't tried, even if it fits our type and we tried similar ones?
4. As we are looking at a plush mattress (we both much preferred them) I do worry that we are picking the kind of mattress that will have the shortest lifespan. Should we consider a firmer foam knowing it will soften in time?

Thanks!
TCD
15 Apr 2020 14:58
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Hi Kfox,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I'm considering a purchase of the Original Casper all-foam mattress. I noticed they've just recently changed the construction/materials--- now it's 3 layers instead of 4 and 11" total thickness instead of 12".


Unfortunately, Casper does not list any meaningful information nor were we able to find the specifics of the reworked Original mattress. If you or other subscribers here manage to somehow find out the information listed here and list the "quality specs" on the forum I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials inside it and help compare the materials to the guidelines here to identify any weak links in the mattress.

They now call the top layer "Airscape perforated breathable foam" but with no details on the type and density of the foam. They also don't say how the zoned and base layers may have changed.


Regardless of what the foam is called or if it is zoned or not I’d keep in mind that the weak link of a mattress is almost always in the use of low-quality materials in the comfort layers and if you don't know the specifics of what is inside a mattress that you are considering you would be basically making a completely "blind" purchase both in terms of both suitability and durability of this mattress.

I am not sure what you’ve read since you reached our site but generally, I’d make sure that at least you scanned through the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones which would include the major brands such as Serta or any mattress where you aren't able to find out the quality of the materials inside it.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well he will sleep), durability (how long he will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Wondering if you or colleagues might be able to share some insight?


You can read some recent consumer comments about Casper customer support experiences and a few other comments about the loss of support and Casper sagging issues within two months of use.

I hope some of the information here can help you move forward in your mattress search.

Phoenix
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