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04 May 2015 10:49
  • phoenix
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Hi silverfox723,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and I'm glad you found us :)

Can you guide me to a local manufacturer in my area please? 37876 TN
Thank you in advance!


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Knoxville area (subject to the quality/value guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix
13 Apr 2015 11:18
  • Harbertra
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I just wanted to say thank you for all of the helpful information on this website! We are looking for a mattress for our 4 year old son and have been struggling to find a decent mattress at a fair price. So, tonight we are going to go to Fox Mattress, one of your members, to see what they have. I have seen great reviews for this company! If it wasn't for this site I would not have heard of them as they are an hour away. Definitely worth the drive for a local company that makes good mattresses at fair prices. I'll let you know how our shopping goes and what we end up with. Thanks!
06 Apr 2015 13:34
  • phoenix
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Hi Fox,

Thanks for letting us know what you ended up deciding ... and I think you made a great quality/value choice.

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

My husband is going to update our existing wood frame and add hardwood slats no less than 3 inches apart. My question is do we need a coconut fiber bed rug in between the latex mattress and the slats? Will the part of the bed that touches the wooden slats be susceptible to mold since there's no air circulation under that area? Our bedroom is in our furnished basement, but we do run a dehumidifier in the summer. I see topics about using a bed rug with a plywood foundation, but nothing regarding a slatted foundation less than 3 inches apart. Thank you.


If your support system has a firm and evenly supportive surface with little to no flex and has good center support to the floor and the gaps are no more than 3" apart (or less) then there would be no issue with a lack of ventilation (or the mold and mildew issues that can result) in the part of your support surface that is in direct contact with the slats because the latex itself is breathable as well and you wouldn't need the bed rug.

If the wood is unfinished and/or rough and has a chance to snag on the mattress cover then it may be a good idea to put some fabric in between the slats and the mattress to protect it.

I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive your new mattress and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.

Phoenix
25 Mar 2015 14:37
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Hi,

Been lurking and trying to absorb much of the superb info here, but in my quest for a natural bed with zero/negligent VOC content, I'm not able to get to the testing stage!

Here in Vancouver, BC there are very few companies supplying organic/free from beds.
We tried Essentia, but came to the conclusion that 100% latex wasn't what we wanted. So, TMASC look to be our only option for sourcing a free from mattress.

We currently sleep on an innerspring mattress (Sertapeadic Seymour) that was not new to us, but it looks like we acquired it 3 years after manufacture. Its now 10 years old.
Its an innerspring mattress with a 1" or so pillowtop. feels supportive but with a nice comfort layer on top.
We weigh 185 and 115lbs and mostly side sleep rolling towards stomach.
The latex beds whilst fine instore just didn't feel great. Having never comfortably slept on a 100% latex bed, I think its best avoided.

So, B.E offer their Oslo mattress that has 2 spring layers and 1" latex on top.
Seems to be what we are looking for as the most comfortable bed we've tried so far was a Posturepedic Foxbury bed (pocket coil plus comfort layer) Good firmness with a forgiving top layer. relatively low coil count I believe.

The Oslo whilst referred to as soft on the TMAC site is now being supplied in their firm spring version.
Available at the top end of our price point, but importantly, we are unable to try it.
I appreciate that 2 spring layers may make this quiet different to a single layer pocket coil bed, but I'm wondering if anyone may have any feedback as to how the B.E beds feel?
Is there any need to explore 2 coil layer model, or is this by design, moving us towards a bed that feels more like a latex mattress?

TMASC were very helpful over email, but I'm looking for consumer experience/opinion

Thanks in advance

Jonny
12 Mar 2015 13:52
  • phoenix
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Hi shadowfox606,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive it.

Phoenix
07 Mar 2015 19:00
  • Watson4321
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shadowfox606,
I'm currently in possession of both a T&N and a Casper mattress and am glad to share my experience. I started looking at purchasing a mattress online because we hated our 10 year old inner spring mattress. After researching various mattresses on this forum I ordered the T&N first because it was about $250 cheaper than than the Casper. I was looking for a medium firm mattress made from quality materials that both my spouse and I could sleep on comfortably. We slept on the T&N for almost 2 weeks; it's a definitely a medium-firm to firm mattress. As sheep123 mentioned, the polyfoam in the - layer is "solid" feeling, but at the same time not causing pressure pain. My biggest complaint about the T&N is the "dead" feeling in the foam. Each night that I slept on it, I was always "aware" of the mattress - where I was, how I moved on it, where my spouse was, etc. I wasn't able to forget the mattress and just sleep. I found that the T&N fulfilled 2 of the three Ps for me - posture/alignment and pressure relief, but not for personal preference.

I ordered the Casper once I knew the T&N wasn't the mattress for me. In terms of firmness the Casper is very similar to the T&N. I have read many folks say that they thought the T&N was firmer than the Casper, but that is not my experience. Phoenix has writen that firmness and softness differs greatly between individuals. That really didn't make sense to me until I directly compared the T&N to the Casper. To others the T&N may be firmer that the Casper, but for me the difference in firmness was negligible. I've slept on the Casper for less than a week, but at this point, I love it. Even though the two mattresses are similar in their firmness, they sleep very differently. Where the T&N seems "dead", the Casper is "livelier" - without actually being bouncy. The top comfort layer in the Casper is latex, so this adds a more dynamic element to the mattress that the T&N doesn't have. Even though it's livelier, it is still has great motion transfer - meaning I don't feel my husband moving or turning over. Where I couldn't forget I was sleeping on the T&N, with the Casper I get in bed and sleep. I've never slept on latex before - and I know there's not a lot in the Casper comfort layer - but I definitely like the "feel" that it adds to the mattress.

So far the Casper fits all three Ps for me and I'm looking forward to sleeping on it for many nights to come. Next week I will contact T&N to return that mattress. Hope this helps!
02 Mar 2015 12:42
  • phoenix
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Hi shadowfox606,

I would like to know your thoughts on the two mattresses. Thanks!


You can see some of my comments about how Tuft & Needle and Casper and some of the other "one choice fits all" mattresses compare in post #3 here .

A forum search on " Casper Tuft Needle " (you can just click the link) will also bring up all the forum posts and feedback that mention both of them. Some of them also include some comments from a few forum members here that have tried both of them (see post #2 here ).

Phoenix
27 Jan 2015 13:06
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Hi shadowfox606,

We live in Albuquerque, NM. My husband is 5'11", 150 lbs and sleeps on his back and side. I am 5'3", 120 lbs and sleep on my side and occasionally my back. We would like to try a memory foam mattress and need to stay below about $1500. How do we start our search?


The first place to start your search is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

When you are ready to start testing mattresses in the stores then the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Albuquerque area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix
24 Jan 2015 20:05
  • phoenix
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Hi Anngelica,

We both LOVED our high-end Simmons. It was pocketed inner springs, edge support, pillow-top and NO memory foam. It provided firm but not hard support under a soft and very comfortable pillow-top. Nine years after purchase there were very obvious body impressions, but it was just as comfortable and supportive as the day it was delivered and we fully expected it to last many more years. It was nearly 10 years old when a foster feline used it as a litter box...


You are fortunate that your Simmons lasted you for 10 years and that certainly isn't the norm for the mattresses they (or the other major brands) are making today which tend to use lower quality materials in the comfort layers which will tend to soften and/or break down much too quickly after a purchase relative to the price you paid which is the reason I would tend to avoid them completely (see the guidelines here ).

We sampled four layer LATEX beds by SAVVY REST ($5100) which SLEEP EZ offers for half the cost -- but will it feel the same???


There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one in post #9 here but if the type and blend of the latex layers and the firmness or ILD and thickness of the layers is the same or very close and the cover is also very similar then they would be very similar in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) yes.

FOX MATTRESS MAKERS has assured us they can build a HYBRID ("Quatum" Pocketed Coils topped with Latex) which will feel like our beloved Simmons. The friendly FOX salesperson said "QUATUM POCKETED COILS" are new, but assured us they're the best choice for our needs. But I can't find any data about them online. Help!


There is some information about Quantum Coils on the Leggett & Platt site here but they are a high quality pocket coil that have a narrower diameter than most pocket coils which provides a higher coil count and a more contouring innerspring. Many people who lie on just the innerspring find that they are even comfortable enough to sleep on directly. There is also more about an innerspring/latex hybrid and an all latex mattress in post #13 here and the more detailed information in the posts it links to but all of these are high quality components and there would be no weak links in either of them. The choice between them would really be a preference choice rather than a "better/worse" choice since the support core of a mattress isn't generally the weak link of a mattress.

I've read mixed and conflicting reviews regarding longevity and durability of both inner spring and latex mattresses. Both beds we're considering are priced similarly, and I am hopeful that either will work for both of us, but which would last longer, maintain supportive level, not sag, etc?


There is more about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here but both of these would make very durable choices.

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between different mattresses and there is also more in post #2 here about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that can help you identify and minimize the risks involved in each of them.

You are certainly looking at some great quality choices :)

Phoenix
24 Jan 2015 19:19
  • Anngellica
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We're on our forth new mattress in 18 months and REALLY need to get our next purchase right.

We both LOVED our high-end Simmons. It was pocketed inner springs, edge support, pillow-top and NO memory foam. It provided firm but not hard support under a soft and very comfortable pillow-top. Nine years after purchase there were very obvious body impressions, but it was just as comfortable and supportive as the day it was delivered and we fully expected it to last many more years. It was nearly 10 years old when a foster feline used it as a litter box...

I called Simmons, provided label data, asked for the model name(s) of today's equivalent and with minimal shopping around (we were in the midst of packing to relocate out of state), purchased what was supposed to be comparable. It was not. It was significantly softer than the showroom model, so Sleepys exchanged it.

Because we were packing like crazy, I assumed the low back and pelvic pain I was experiencing was a result of excess physical labor, bending, stooping, lifting, etc. But when we traveled (stressful business travel), after only two nights of sleeping on another bed -- a low budget King Koil topped with Dunlop-like latex foam, all pain had subsided.

Latex beds were impossible to find, so we settled on a TempurPedic. Shortly thereafter handsome husband began complaining of major backaches. Months later we purchased a Sealy, which works for HH but it causes pain, numbing and tingling in my arms and legs.

Needless to say, we've wasted a LOT of money and really, REALLY need to make the right choice this time. We're trying to choose between a four-layer LATEX bed from SLEEP EZ and a customized HYBRID bed from FOX.

We sampled four layer LATEX beds by SAVVY REST ($5100) which SLEEP EZ offers for half the cost -- but will it feel the same???

FOX MATTRESS MAKERS has assured us they can build a HYBRID ("Quatum" Pocketed Coils topped with Latex) which will feel like our beloved Simmons. The friendly FOX salesperson said "QUATUM POCKETED COILS" are new, but assured us they're the best choice for our needs. But I can't find any data about them online. Help!

I've read mixed and conflicting reviews regarding longevity and durability of both inner spring and latex mattresses. Both beds we're considering are priced similarly, and I am hopeful that either will work for both of us, but which would last longer, maintain supportive level, not sag, etc?

All comments welcome. Many thanks!!

=^..^=
15 Jan 2015 11:54
  • mgblues
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After a couple more hours, I found that Pure Crafted Beds, Fox and Sleep EZ are intriguing members of the site (along with My Green Mattress. Any thoughts about which would be best in light of all of the above?
23 Dec 2014 10:16
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I said I'd come back once the process was finished so here I am. I was leaning towards ordering a mattress over the internet but the wife wouldn't go for it. We ended up driving to Fox Mattress in the Daytona Beach, FL area since we were in the area for something else. They were helpful but not pushy. Definitely knowledgeable and engaging. We tried a couple. We ended up going with a king bed with a latex top over a spring. We've had it for about two and a half months. Seems like a very good bed.

They did give us the discount for mentioning this site. That basically covered the shipping, which worked out well.
08 Dec 2014 19:13
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Hi Missoula Nights,

I live in Missoula Montana - zip code 59801 ( or 02,03,04,06,07,08). Another large enough town close by that I would be willing to travel there to shop is Hamilton MT.


Given your username ... I probably should have guessed where you were from :)

The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in your area (subject to the guidelines here ) are listed in post #5 here .

I have been to 5 of the 7 main stores here that sell mattresses and I feel like I actually know more about mattresses and all the things that go along with them than the salespeople here do !


Unfortunately this is far too common and almost everyone that has spent more than an hour or so on the site will generally know more meaningful information about mattresses and mattress materials than most of the salespeople in the mainstream industry that sell them.

The one's he has that I am interested in I believe are Serta and he calls them " Five Star Mattress Pro Comfort Collection - Fox Creek Plush or the Five Star Mattress True Luxury Collection Palmersfield Plush.
The details I DO have say:
Palmersfield: - Advanced 744 Pocketed Coil, foam encased for edge support, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam, 1 3/8" Convoluted Foam, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam
Fox Creek: - Advanced 532 'Mira-Coil' Continuous Wire Innerspring, foam encased for edge support, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam, 2" 'Gentle Support' Foam.


I would avoid any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality of the materials inside it (see this article ) and a mattress like this that has over 3" of "unknown quality materials" that are most likely lower quality polyfoam on top of the innerspring would almost certainly be a weak link in the mattress (see this article ). This would be a very "high risk" purchase.

It's much more likely that you will be able to find out the information you need about the type and quality of the materials with some of the other manufacturers they carry and Denver Mattress is also transparent about the type and quality of the materials in their mattresses as well (or at least the ones that they manufacture).

Phoenix
08 Dec 2014 17:23
  • Missoula Nights
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HI and thanks for your immediate response !
I live in Missoula Montana - zip code 59801 ( or 02,03,04,06,07,08). Another large enough town close by that I would be willing to travel there to shop is Hamilton MT.

I have already read pretty much every section of your site AND have watched a number of Matt's 'Beducation" videos - he mentions mattress underground in at least one of them!

I have been to 5 of the 7 main stores here that sell mattresses and I feel like I actually know more about mattresses and all the things that go along with them than the salespeople here do ! I have specifically asked to be given specs at 3 of the 5 and none could come up with anything of much use - they all practice the frustrating sales techniques that you and Matt warn about except one - Full House Furniture. I have not found that much difference in the feel of the mattresses between the top 3 or 4 mattresses I have tried out, so because he was the one that told me about your site, I am leaning towards giving him my business. But he also was not able to give me much in the way of specs. Compared to the showrooms at The Living Room, Denver Mattress, etc, he obviously has lower overhead and so his prices are lower by at least $100 in general...but of course I still do not know what I am comparing because of the lack of details about what is on the inside !
The one's he has that I am interested in I believe are Serta and he calls them " Five Star Mattress Pro Comfort Collection - Fox Creek Plush or the Five Star Mattress True Luxury Collection Palmersfield Plush.
The details I DO have say:
Palmersfield: - Advanced 744 Pocketed Coil, foam encased for edge support, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam, 1 3/8" Convoluted Foam, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam
Fox Creek: - Advanced 532 'Mira-Coil' Continuous Wire Innerspring, foam encased for edge support, 1" 'Gentle Support' Foam, 2" 'Gentle Support' Foam.

Now you know pretty much everything I know - is there anything you can add? Thanks again ~
24 Nov 2014 02:19
  • phoenix
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Hi Ferenein,

I don't think you have anything to worry about with any of your concerns.

There were also some places in the latex that looked like a hole created by bugs as you can see below. I cannot recall whether my latex looked like this when they first arrived.


Latex layers (especially natural latex) usually have small imperfections and voids or areas of discoloration this is not something that is caused by bugs. It's completely normal ( see here )

Lastly, I noticed this from the beginning but my dunlop layer does not have holes that go all the way through. The other side has deeper holes but they also do not go all the way through the latex. I hope this did not block the air flow of the bed and gave me those brown things


The pincores in latex never go through the entire molded core. A latex mold has pincores in both the top and bottom of the mold so unless a layer is slit from a section of the original 6" molded core that only includes the top or bottom pincores the holes will only go part way through the latex. The depth of the holes will also depend on where the layer is cut from the original core.You can see some videos of how different types of molded latex is made in post #3 here . You can also see some pictures here of Latex cores which show the top and bottom pincores. The breathability of latex comes from the open cell structure of the latex.

- what those brown things are (bug droppings or molds? can they be something else?)


I would need to have a closer look at the particles or feel them to be able to guess what they may be but they certainly don't look like either bug droppings or molds or anything similar to me. Latex is very "sticky" and can easily pick up loose pieces of material or fiber from anything anything comes in contact with it and and they look like some type of crumbles from something that was against the latex. It's also possible that they could be small particles of latex that come from slitting the latex. If they can easily be removed then it's not something that would concern me.

I don't see anything unusual or that would be concerning (even though I don't know what the particles are) and hopefully this will put your mind at ease :)

Phoenix
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