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15 Sep 2015 22:07
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Hi Josh,

My zip code is 34736. It's about an hour drive to Fox Mattresses, and I got a reply back from them stating that their Full Mattresses start at 229 and Queen at 299. I would make the drive if I knew I was going to be purchasing a mattress, but it's hard to make the drive not knowing I'm going to be buying it.

If you really think that is my best option, I may just go for that, I trust your opinion from reading through this forum.


Thje Orlando list I linked includes the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

I or some of the more knowledgeable members of the site can certainly help you to narrow down your options, help you focus on better quality/value choices that are available to you either locally or online, help you identify any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you may be considering, act as a fact check, answer many of the specific questions you may have along the way that don't involve what you will "feel" on a mattress, and help with "how" to choose but only you can decide which specific mattress, manufacturer, or combination of materials is "best for you" regardless of whether anyone else has the same criteria or would make the same choice.

You are the only one that can decide on your "best" option because each person can have very different needs and preferences and different criteria in a mattress and may be in a different budget range that they are comfortable with as well so which mattress is "best for you" (regardless of whether it would be best for anyone else) all depends on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. I would certainly talk with Fox Mattress on the phone and then if they have some mattresses that are in your budget range that you are interested in testing then you can decide whether it would be worthwhile making the drive to test them in person.

I decided I'm going to try the foam out and if it is too hot for me, then I will return it. Also, I'm not sure what's better, the pillowtop or eurotop, it seems like the pillowtop just has more padding, which is strange since they both say they are medium firmness.


When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Phoenix
15 Sep 2015 21:23
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Thank you very much for that response. I read everything that you linked, I really appreciate it.

My zip code is 34736. It's about an hour drive to Fox Mattresses, and I got a reply back from them stating that their Full Mattresses start at 229 and Queen at 299. I would make the drive if I knew I was going to be purchasing a mattress, but it's hard to make the drive not knowing I'm going to be buying it.

If you really think that is my best option, I may just go for that, I trust your opinion from reading through this forum.

Besides that, I've narrowed my options down to these:

Queen Ultimate Dreams Crazy Quilt Pillowtop
Queen Ultimate Dreams Crazy Quilt Eurotop
Queen Original Mattress Factory Classic

I decided I'm going to try the foam out and if it is too hot for me, then I will return it. Also, I'm not sure what's better, the pillowtop or eurotop, it seems like the pillowtop just has more padding, which is strange since they both say they are medium firmness.

If I can MAYBE squeeze some money out from somewhere, I may look into these:

Queen Ultimate Dreams 12-In-1
Full Ultimate Dreams Latex (Whatever the cheapest one was)

Before I order anything I'm going to visit a Mattress firm or something and just test what foam feels like, as I've never even tried it, but the Latex sounds appealing (of course it's the most expensive)

Thank you for all your help.
15 Sep 2015 11:23
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Hi Josh,

I live in Central Florida so I am trying to avoid any kind of foam mattress as my house is kept warm and I HATE being hot when I sleep. As it stands now, I'm looking at the original mattress factory Original queen bed and also wondering if that's any good. I know Fox Mattresses is highly recommended, and I'm waiting for them to get back to me, but I think they will be out of my price range.

Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated, I will continue to keep doing more research.


Some of the better online options I'm aware of that are in lower budget ranges are listed in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

While it's not possible to quantify the sleeping temperature of a mattress for any particular person with any real accuracy because there are so many variables involved including the type of mattress protector and the sheets and bedding that you use (which in many cases can have just as significant an effect on temperature as the type of foam in a mattress) and on where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range and because there is no standardized testing for temperature regulation with different combinations of materials ... there is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range. I would keep in mind that some types of foam (such as memory foam) will tend to sleep warmer than others (such as polyfoam or especially latex although latex would probably be outside of your budget range).

There is also more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or the exchange/return options that are available to you).

I'm not sure where you are in Central Florida but the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Orlando area (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines I linked) are listed in post #2 here . If none of these are close to you then if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area (although as you mentioned I certainly think very highly of Fox Mattress and they would be well worth a phone call and/or visit if you are in reasonable driving distance and they have a mattress in your budget range that you would be interested in testing).

Phoenix
15 Sep 2015 08:33
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I will try to keep this short as possible to not waste people's time reading this. I am poor college student looking for the cheapest possible mattress while maintaining some level of quality and comfort. I don't care if it won't last me 10+ years.

My budget is around $300 and I really don't have more than that to spend, but I know this is a very low budget, which is why I'm okay with not having the best quality, long lasting and comfortable mattress.

I've done a lot of research already, and I was initially going to get the Signature Sleep contour 8 inch Queen size from the raving reviews and low price, but decided to do more research. I'm wondering if it's any good or not, but I'm thinking it's not.

I live in Central Florida so I am trying to avoid any kind of foam mattress as my house is kept warm and I HATE being hot when I sleep. As it stands now, I'm looking at the original mattress factory Original queen bed and also wondering if that's any good. I know Fox Mattresses is highly recommended, and I'm waiting for them to get back to me, but I think they will be out of my price range.

Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated, I will continue to keep doing more research.

Thanks!!!
12 Sep 2015 19:43
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Hi jcroyle,

Is fox mattress still one of your top picks?


Fox Mattress is still a member here yes (you can see the membership list here ) which as you quoted means that I think very highly of them (and Rick the owner) and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

Are you able to test out a mattress while there?


Yes ,... they have a showroom where you can test their mattresses.

I am 6'8" 220lb, with all sorts of back, neck and shoulder issues from sports injuries. I definitely need a firmer mattress, but I've never tried a pillow top, which may be just thing. Any suggestions?


I would keep in mind that the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or if you can't test a mattress in person then your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I'm assuming that you've read the mattress shopping tutorial here (which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice) but two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for when you sleep on it in "real life" and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability and PPP (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

Outside of Fox Mattress ... the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Ocala area (subject to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines I linked) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix
12 Sep 2015 18:55
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Hi alexjones,

www.foxmattress.com/ Holly Hill. Local factory direct outlet. Rick the owner there is very knowledgeable and they are a member of this site (which means I believe they compete well with the best in the industry ). They make a full range of quality mattresses with very good value. I would highly recommend them.
Phoenix


Hello,

I have been reading through the forums. I got here from a Saatva jump to researching forums and quickly changed my mind. Is fox mattress still one of your top picks? I live 45m from Holy Hill. Are you able to test out a mattress while there? I don't like tempurpedic but the latex version in his video looked interesting. I am 6'8" 220lb, with all sorts of back, neck and shoulder issues from sports injuries. I definitely need a firmer mattress, but I've never tried a pillow top, which may be just thing. Any suggestions? Thanks for your considerable efforts here.

JC
09 Aug 2015 14:54
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Hi PapaMike,

Thanks for the picture. The layer in your picture quite "clean" and I don't see any discrepancies or "irregularities" that would in any way affect the quality, feel, or performance of the latex.

All latex pincores are "blocked" because The pincores in latex don't go through the entire molded core. A latex mold has pincores in both the top and bottom of the mold that don't meet in the middle so unless a layer is slit from a section of the original 6" molded core that only includes the top or bottom pincore holes the holes will only go part way through the latex and this is normal. The depth of the holes will also depend on where the layer is cut from the original core. You can see some videos of how different types of molded latex is made in post #3 here . You can also see some pictures here of Latex cores which show the top and bottom pincores. The breathability of latex comes from the open cell structure of the latex.

Phoenix
30 Jun 2015 16:51
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Hi jd,

Thanks for the fast reply, I would have responded sooner myself, but I thought I'd get an email, so sorry for the long time difference and if I wasn't very clear, I am bit fatigued.


If you subscribe to the topic (you can just click the subscribe button) the forum software will send you an email each time there is a reply.

Also tried to Bold specific content above like requested and it didn't show up.


I'm not sure why it isn't showing up for you but I can see the parts of your post that you bolded. What browser are you using? The bbcode tags work for IE, Firefox, Safari, and Google Chrome and should work for all the most common browsers although I haven't tested all of them.


I'm not clear from your post on each of the specific combinations you tried, the specific symptoms you experienced on each of them, and how your symptoms changed on each of the different combinations compared to the others. Whether a particular combination either "works" or "doesn't work" is much less important and doesn't provide the type of information I would need to make any meaningful suggestions. It's the "changes" in your experience with different combinations that can provide the "clues" that I look for.

My understanding is that you purchased the OMI (Organicpedic) Duo with three 3" layers with the top sculpted layer being soft, the middle layer being medium, and the bottom layer being firm.

Your descriptions are also referring to other layers that look like they are 1", and 1.5" and 2" and I'm not sure what these are referring to because your mattress contains 3" layers.

What I would need to be able to see any patterns or to be able to even guess about the type of changes that may be helpful are the specifics of all the layers in each combination you tried (starting with the first one not the last one and listed with each layer on a separate line from top to bottom) and then a description of the actual symptoms you experienced on each combination ... not the more subjective assessments such as how much each part of your body was compressing the mattress or sinking in or what your posture "looked like" ... see post #6 here .

I was told organic latex was less consistent than mixed synthetics by the person who sold it to me after going through the process of having OMI examine my soft layer, but in reality just losing it and replacing it with a new one.


Yes ... Natural latex tends to be less consistent than synthetic or blended latex but for most people this wouldn't make a significant difference since relatively small variations in ILD across the surface aren't generally noticeable.

As for my fine tuning experimenting, do you have a quick way to tell what kind of pain means too hard or too soft, specifically at the hips/pelvis region?


Not specifically no because there can be multiple causes for any "symptom" and you are really going by "probabilities" based on your experience and the layering combination you are trying compared to the one before it. The post I linked earlier ( post #2 here ) has much more information about the most common causes of the different symptoms that people generally experience on a mattress but it usually takes some more detailed detective work and trial and error based on how your symptoms change with each combination to be able to assess whether any change is moving in the right direction.

I just see this as kind of ridiculous for the price, and more importantly from how much it's really taken away from my health.


I would agree that the most important part of the "value" of any sleeping system is how well you sleep on it regardless of the price or the quality or durability of the layers and components inside it.

I'm happy to share my thoughts but you will need to simplify your posts so that they only contain the specifics of each layering combination and the symptoms you experienced on each of them and how they changed relative to the combination before it so that the information is much less complex and easier to "untangle", understand and assess.

Phoenix
08 Jun 2015 09:29
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Hi shadowfox606.

Thanks for the update and for your comments and feedback ... I appreciate it :)

I'm sorry to hear that your Casper mattress didn't work out well for both of you but the good news is that you had the foresight to purchase an online mattress with a great return policy so that there was little risk in trying it other than the time you spend testing it and returning/donating it.

I hope that the Tuft & Needle turns out to be a better match for both of you and I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback when you receive it and have had a chance to sleep on it as well.

Phoenix
02 Jun 2015 21:22
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Hi Meansh,

I am a side and back sleeper, prefer a medium firm and like the fact that this is a hybrid and offers the traditional 2 sided benefits. It also seems like a solid and flexible unit that can accommodate a variety of body types. Any thoughts on this line is much appreciated. I am really impressed with this company and will be purchasing without trying it. A white glove ship fee of only 99 dollars is an added plus.
Thank you,


I don't have any personal experience with this mattress so I really can't make any meaningful comments about how it would feel to me much less to someone else that may have a very different experience on the same mattress.

I would also need to know the specifics of the materials and components inside a mattress to make any meaningful comments about the quality and durability of the materials or the mattress as a whole (see this article ). If you can find out the information in the page I linked about the layers and components in the mattress then I'd certainly be happy to make some comments about the materials in the mattress or the mattress as a whole but I do know from my conversations with Rick that they use higher quality and more durable materials in their mattresses than you would find in comparable budget ranges in the mainstream industry and I wouldn't have any durability concerns about any of their mattresses. Two sided mattresses are also more durable than an equivalent one sided version of the same mattress as long as you rotate and flip it on a regular basis (see post #3 here ).

As you probably know ... I think very highly of Rick and Fox Mattress and they are one of the members of the site which means I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency.

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses in post #13 here but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer (such as Fox Mattress) that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

A medium or medium firm mattress would be a good choice for a guest mattress since it will cover a larger part of the bell curve for a wider range of people based on "averages" than softer or firmer choices.

It may also be worth purchasing a softer topper so that those guests that prefer a softer sleeping surface have the option to use the topper as well.

Phoenix
02 Jun 2015 18:38
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I have been shopping for a king mattress for a beach condo in the NW Florida area. I rent the unit out occasionally and stay there several times a year as well. Before finding the wealth of info here I was headed in the direction of the Big "S" names and was extremely frustrated. My primary residence is N California/East Bay. I had my first phone meeting with the very friendly and knowledgeable folks over at Fox Mattress in the Daytona Beach area today. I'm really interested in the Fox O Pedic Anniversay mattress. My budget is 1-1.500. I am a side and back sleeper, prefer a medium firm and like the fact that this is a hybrid and offers the traditional 2 sided benefits. It also seems like a solid and flexible unit that can accommodate a variety of body types. Any thoughts on this line is much appreciated. I am really impressed with this company and will be purchasing without trying it. A white glove ship fee of only 99 dollars is an added plus.
Thank you,
10 May 2015 11:12
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Hi soxfan82,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! ... and congratulations on your new mattress :)

As you probably know I think you made a great quality/value choice.

- I'm already noticing that I'm sleeping a little hotter than I'm used to. If I move to a different part of the bed, it will be nice and cool, but where I'm laying is generally hot. Could this be because my middle layer didn't have the holes penetrating all the way through? The holes do go all the way through on the other layers .


It would be normal with any material that it would feel warmer from your body heat under where you are sleeping than it would in areas that you haven't slept on. This is different however from temperature regulation which is more about whether you are sleeping in a temperature range that is comfortable for you.

The pincores in latex don't go through the entire molded core. A latex mold has pincores in both the top and bottom of the mold that don't meet in the middle so unless a layer is slit from a section of the original 6" molded core that only includes the top or bottom pincores the holes will only go part way through the latex and this is normal. The depth of the holes will also depend on where the layer is cut from the original core. You can see some videos of how different types of molded latex is made in post #3 here . You can also see some pictures here of Latex cores which show the top and bottom pincores. The breathability of latex comes from the open cell structure of the latex and not from the pincores themselves.

Wool is among the best temperature regulating materials because of its breathability and its ability to hold up to 30% of its weight in moisture inside the fiber itself without feeling wet so it can maintain a drier microclimate but I would also keep in mind that it regulates temperature in both directions (it's used in the desert and also in cold climates because of this) so while it may not feel "cool" ... it generally doesn't feel "hot" either. It also helps to regulate moisture (which can trap heat) and will reduce the perception of temperature that comes from higher humidity levels as well (similar to how temperatures feel cooler on less humid days than they do on more humid days).

While it would be unusual for most people to have temperature regulation issues sleeping on wool ... there are also other variables that are involved with sleeping temperature as well (particularly the type of mattress protector, the sheets and bedding, and your bedclothes) which can also play a significant role in sleeping temperature ... particularly for those that are closer to the "oven" end of the oven to iceberg range. There is more about the many variables that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here that can help you track down the possible reasons for any temperature regulation issues that you may be having.

- I know that the mattress isn't toxic or anything, but my bed (and my bedroom) smells like cake frosting. I aired these layers out for about a week prior to putting everything together, but you can smell it as soon as you get into the room, through the cover, through the sheets and everything . And I can smell it on myself after I get out of bed . Will this ever really go away?


This is a "normal" smell for Talalay latex and while some people are more sensitive to smells than others and some batches of latex have a stronger smell than others ... it will dissipate to levels that most people won't notice over the course of the first few days or weeks (see post #2 here ). There are also some suggestions in post #3 here that may help to reduce the smell a little more quickly.

Phoenix
09 May 2015 16:09
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Hi FireFox,

When I sleep on my side, my arms are at my sides, bent at the elbow, with my hands under my chin.

(It's strange that I never had this issue with my previous, old, POS, inner-spring mattress.)


You may have described the most likely cause here.

It may be worthy trying a different pillow because the gap between your head and the pillow may have changed with a different mattress so your memory foam pillow may no longer suitable to keep your head and neck in good alignment and in combination with the pressure of your chin on your hands is impairing circulation.

Some of the suggestions in posts #2 and #3 here may also be helpful.

Am still interested in the idea that the T&N might offer pressure relief. Thoughts


The only reliable way to know is to try it because there are too many unknowns and variables involved to predict whether any mattress will work for you with any certainty and other people''s experience on a mattress may be very different from your own. Either it will work and of course you would be happy or it doesn't and like the Casper it also has a great return policy so there would be little risk in trying it outside of the time and effort involved in testing it out and returning or donating it and starting over again ... but I would experiment with your pillow first because if I had to guess either your pillow and/or your posture is the most likely cause.

Phoenix
09 May 2015 15:11
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Hi FireFox,

While you're right that firmness is very subjective and one person's "too firm" can be someone else's "too soft ... based on feedback I would say that most people would consider the Tuft & Needle to be a little bit firmer overall than the Casper but they also use different types of foams that have a different response curve and will respond to weight differently so there could be some people whose perceptions would be the other way around.

Having said that ... it's unusual that both hands would be falling asleep and back sleepers don't normally have pressure issues nearly as much as side sleepers so your experience may be pointing to something other than pressure issues from the mattress and it's possible that it could be a postural issue as well.

Where do you normally have your hands when you are side sleeping or when you are sleeping on your back? Are you by any chance sleeping with your hands under your pillow or under your body?

Phoenix
06 May 2015 15:54
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Hi silverfox723,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

Phoenix
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