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21 Sep 2013 19:15
  • Dave88LX
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Oh absolutely! I'm looking forward to being able to look forward to going to bed, and actually feel good when I wake up in the morning!

Tonight we hit up Healthy Back in Annapolis, MD, as one of your recommended places on your list. I'm glad that we didn't just blindly buy a latex mattress. Reading up on spring vs. latex vs. foam, I was pretty sure we were going to be buying a latex bed. After laying on them all, I found I wasn't very fond of the latex beds. On the firmer beds, it felt like I was almost rolling around on the surface, like it just wanted to continue pushing me any time I moved. I felt like I was tensing up just to keep my body from falling over when I was on my side. Only the softest of the four did I find I liked, but I surely didn't ~$4K like it.

The other thing that I found surprising is that I don't like as firm of a bed as I thought I would. When it feels like you're sleeping on a hammock, I guess you think that you want/need/like a firm bed, but in reality, I just want a supportive bed. I found the beds on the firmer end of the scale did not allow my broad shoulders to adequately sink down enough on my side to be comfortable, an that I would need a rather tall pillow to get proper neck alignment. I noticed sleeping on the hotel mattress though that I sleep fine on my back, which I hear is preferred to side sleeping.

So we tried the Tempur-Pedics (Rhapsody Breeze - nice, but not $4000 nice), the latex models (wasn't a fan of the 'rolling' feeling on them, and the Technogel (Armonia & Estasi+) Neither one of the Technogels really "wow'd" us either. I think my wife liked them more than I did, but I felt rather "meh" towards them. Maybe if I spent more time on them.

This leads us to the following: Healthy Back Embrace Comfort
www.healthyback.com/products/Healthyback/Healthy-back-embrace-comfort-mattress/1299

"Specs" from the website:
  • 1.5" layer of ventilated memory foam
  • 2" layer of standard memory foam
  • 2" layer of comfort foam
  • 5.5" layer of support foam
  • Removable and washable cover made of dimpled strech knit & microsuede fabric.
  • No flip, rotate, or turn mattress

The both of us actually found this to suit us the best. Well, suit me. My wife preferred the Embrace Relaxation, which is 13" tall, and just a bit softer. I can't find that one on their website though. The pricing on this Embrace Comfort is just right too - $2050 - 24% "sale" = $1537 + a pair of foundations for $300 total. They also offer a 5% military discount which will also help a little bit (hey, pillows!).

Their return policy is great (I think?): They want you to keep the bed for at least 30 days to get accustomed to it. If after 30 days you still do not like it, then you can return it up to 90 days later. From I believe 91-180 days after, then you can return it for store credit.

I believe he stated that "Classic" made their mattresses for them, I'll see what I can dig up on them, as well as Embrace.

As of a year ago , you had heard of Embrace, but did not know a whole lot about it the line. Have you had the chance to learn anything since? Either the Comfort or Relaxation line (leaning towards the firmer Comfort).

I see by June '13 that you had found out some more information on this: "The Embrace Comfort is a fairly basic mattress with 3.5" of 4 lb memory foam over 7.5" of reasonable quality polyfoam (the 1.8 lb polyfoam is on top which is where it should be and the 1.5 lb polyfoam is on the bottom where it will be more durable even though it's lower density) and would be reasonable (but not the best) value as long as your body type was suitable for 4 lb memory foam. I would tend towards 5 lb memory foam or at least thinner layers of 4 lb memory foam if you were in the 200 lb range or higher but I would have a particularly hard time justifying the Estasi unless there was a particularly compelling reason that justified the cost based on your specific personal criteria."
20 Aug 2013 23:47
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Hi marcie7467,

You can see some of my thoughts about the technogel in post #2 here and some comments about the specific materials in two of them (the Estasi and the Piacere) in post #2 here . A forum search on technogel (you can just click this) will bring up more posts and feedback about them as well.

We also saw a latex (80%) mattress from Restonic at Stacy Furniture and that felt good.


Some of the Restonic latex mattresses can be good quality and value but Restonic is a licensee group which has different manufacturers that use different specs across the country so it would be important to know the details of all the layers to make sure that there isn't more than about an inch or so of polyfoam above the latex. Once you get to about 2" or more then any polyfoam in the upper layers can become a weak link in the mattress. They often have 2" of firm polyfoam in the bottom layer which I would't consider to be an issue in terms of design or durability.

We're considering adjustable bases. Any input would be appreciated.


The adjustable bed thread here should be helpful.

We just moved to the Dallas suburbs from Virginia and don't know where to look for latex beds. Please help. Thanks.


Some of the better options and possibilities in the Dallas area are listed in post #4 here .

Phoenix
29 Jun 2013 22:11
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Hi Hardtimedeciding,

The only way to make meaningful comparisons between mattresses is if you know the details of all the layers and then use this as part of a comparison based on all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. Part of a retailer's job is to provide you with this so you don't have to go searching for it to make comparisons.

Fortunately ... a forum search on Estasi (you can just click this) will bring up more posts about it and the specs are listed in post #2 here .

The Healthy Back Embrace Comfort is a fairly basic mattress with 3.5" of 4 lb memory foam over 7.5" of reasonable quality polyfoam (the 1.8 lb polyfoam is on top which is where it should be and the 1.5 lb polyfoam is on the bottom where it will be more durable even though it's lower density) and would be reasonable (but not the best) value as long as your body type was suitable for 4 lb memory foam. I would tend towards 5 lb memory foam or at least thinner layers of 4 lb memory foam if you were in the 200 lb range or higher but I would have a particularly hard time justifying the Estasi unless there was a particularly compelling reason that justified the cost based on your specific personal criteria.

Phoenix
29 Jun 2013 19:53
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Hi Phoenix,

I recently came across the (King Size):

Embrace Comfort. The Embrace Comfort series sees an 11” profile with a dimpled stretch knit cover with microsuede as well as a 1.5” 4lb ventilated memory foam, 2” 4lb memory foam, 2” 1.8lb comfort foam and a 5.5” 1.5lb poly base foam. $1,225.00

Technogel Estasi+ Don't know what its made of $2,850

Both were very comfortable. I did not feel like my hips were sinking too much. Both mattresses are at a discounted price. Would you recommend one mattress over the other?

Thank you for your time.
13 Apr 2013 20:19
  • phoenix
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Hi michaelbw,

I forgot to answer a couple of your questions ...

Are you aware of any mattresses for sale that would allow for that combination?


Not off the top of my head no and you would probably need to do some local research to find one that was similar. In many cases a local manufacturer could build something like this.

Also, I'm curious if you've ever tried a Technogel mattress, specifically the Estasi model from The Healthy Back Store. While $4500 is a good bit more than I want to spend, I found that mattress very impressive. In fact its far and away the most comfortable mattress I've come across so far. My wife agrees (a rare occurrence indeed). Unfortunately they are pretty opaque about what's under the hood, so to speak.


I've never tried it no but a few forum members have and have posted about their experience. A forum search on Technogel (you can just click this) will bring up more information.

The specs of the Estasi are listed here . Outside of the 1.2" layer of low density polyfoam (which is fairly thin and wouldn't have a large effect on durability) ... the specs show reasonable to good quality materials but they certainly don't justify the cost of the mattress IMO.

Phoenix
13 Apr 2013 03:14
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I have given much consideration to the Aloe Adele. What turned my attention to the Total Latex was a conversation I had with Chuck earlier in the week. He indicated that the Total Latex was being made with 3 layers of latex at 3" each, instead of the 1 x 3" and 1 x 6" indicated on their website. I suppose it is possible I misunderstood but if the Total Latex is in fact 3 layers would you still recommend considering the Adele?

Your suggestion of a thinner layer of latex over the memory foam over more latex actually sounds ideal to me. I like idea of latex on the top as a buffer against both the heat retention and "sinking-in" feeling of the memory foam. Then the memory foam in the second layer could dampen some of the "springiness" of the latex.

Are you aware of any mattresses for sale that would allow for that combination?

Also, I'm curious if you've ever tried a Technogel mattress, specifically the Estasi model from The Healthy Back Store. While $4500 is a good bit more than I want to spend, I found that mattress very impressive. In fact its far and away the most comfortable mattress I've come across so far. My wife agrees (a rare occurrence indeed). Unfortunately they are pretty opaque about what's under the hood, so to speak.

Thanks so much for all of the information you provide here. If not for this site I think I would have just bought an iComfort Prodigy. :oops:
04 Feb 2013 20:00
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Hi penelope,

You've probably read this but just in case ... the first place I would start is post #1 here along with the information it links to which will give you the basic information that will help the most.

We have a Relax the Back store near us and discovered the Technogel Estasi + Mattress and really liked that, though as I have been reading it seems that only the top 1" is gel and the rest is foam (not sure what type).


As far as I know the specs of the Estasi + (this was sent to me by a forum member who emailed them directly) are as follows ...

1” Technogel
2” 3lb 11ILD Memory Foam
8” 1.85 24ILD Polyfoam

While the gel itself is a very dense material and very high quality and will help to extend the life of the foams below it ... I would be wary of any mattress that had 2" of 3 lb memory foam (low density) in the top 3" of the mattress ... and I would be especially wary in higher price ranges.

The 2 mattresses that were most comfortable to us after much testing was the Rafael Latex and the Alexander Signature. The Alexander is quite expensive and I was wondering what your thoughts are about either the technogel or Rafael Latex,


In order to make any assessment of a mattress or identify any potential weak links I would need to know the details of all the layers of the mattress. The willingness and ability to provide this is one of the most reliable signs of a better retailer and without this there is no way to assess the quality, value of the mattress or make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

Post #2 here has a few details about the Rafael and the "missing layers" in the description and my thoughts about it.

The better options and "possibilities" I'm aware of in the Philadelphia / Wilmington area are listed in post #4 here . No matter where you shop ... it's always important to make sure that the retailer you are dealing with is both willing and able to provide you with all the information you will need about any mattress you are considering so you can make meaningful comparisons and good choices.

Phoenix
04 Feb 2013 13:00
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Dear Phoenix-

What a great service you provide and it is only by chance that I stumbled upon you last night- My husband and I are sleeping on a traditional pillow top plush king that we bought at a mattress store in the philadelphia/wilmington area 5 years ago- the mattress has worn poorly and is uneven now and sagging and both of us have lumbar/hip issues and are stiff and in pain when first getting out of bed. Sleeping on firmer mattresses and awakening without pain has prompted us to buy a new set. (too firm is not great either) We have a Relax the Back store near us and discovered the Technogel Estasi + Mattress and really liked that, though as I have been reading it seems that only the top 1" is gel and the rest is foam (not sure what type). We have steered away from all the mattress giants etc since it is hard to know what you are really getting. Then we also went to Bloomingdales since they have a good return/buyback policy, and we tested the Kluft mattresses. The 2 mattresses that were most comfortable to us after much testing was the Rafael Latex and the Alexander Signature. The Alexander is quite expensive and I was wondering what your thoughts are about either the technogel or Rafael Latex, or if there is anything similar in our area you would recommend trying- we are not adverse to spendng for a good mattress but also want to make sure we are getting something of quality and durability. Thank you for your time, Penelope
28 Jan 2013 09:20
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Hi calvin,

The technogel mattresses uses a very dense pure elastomeric gel material which is much denser and more expensive than gel memory foam (see post #2 here for some information about the different types of gel materials) but the rest of the components are just as important and the only way to make meaningful comparisons are based on all the materials in the mattress.

In order to make meaning comparisons between the Evosleep and the Armonia you would need to list the specs they gave you for each one (I don't have either one). Without knowing the specs there is really no way to make any quality or value comparisons other than by how they feel when you lie on them.

I do have the Technogel specs for the Estasi and the Piacere which are as follows which will give you a sense of the quality and relative value of some of the materials they use in their other mattresses. As you can see the gel is very dense if the listed density is correct.

Estasi Total thickness: 12”

Comfort layer:
1" Technogel® - density 64 lbs/ft

Support system construction:
1.2" Topper foam - density 1.31 lbs/ft - IFD 60 N (at 25%)
2.5" Soft foam - density 2.45 lbs/ft - IFD 55 N (at 25%)
7.3" Core foam - density 1.85 lbs/ft - IFD 110 N (at 25%)

Textiles:
• Jersey fre sock
• Quilted cover:
86.8% Polyester,
13.2% Rayon
450 g/m2


Piacere Total thickness: 10”
Comfort layer:
1" Technogel® - density 64 lbs/ft (not full surface)

Support system construction:
1" Topper foam - density 1.31 lbs/ft - IFD 60 N (at 25%)
2.5" Soft foam - density 2.45 lbs/ft - IFD 55 N (at 25%)
5.3" Core foam - density 1.85 lbs/ft - IFD 110 N (at 25%)

Textiles:
• Jersey fre sock
• Quilted cover:
86.8% Polyester,
13.2% Rayon
450 g/m2

You can see my general thoughts about the Technogel mattresses in post #2 here . As you can see I would have a difficult time justifying the cost of these where only a thin layer is the very costly gel unless there was a particularly compelling reason to believe that any other mattress just wouldn't do. I would also want to know all the details of the Armonia layering besides the 1/2 inch gel layer inset in polyfoam and the talalay latex and that there wasn't any other materials in the layering (or at least I would want to know what they were). Even if it was all latex except for the top gel / polyfoam layer ... considering there is only 1/2" of gel and that at best the rest is latex (@ 9" or less) it would also be hard for me to justify the price of this one as well unless "comfort at any price" was the goal and personal testing confirmed that it was unlike any other options available to me.

The Evosleep also has a similar gel although I believe it's only 3/4" and I don't know the density in their case but overall and in the absence of any specs ... I would guess that the Evosleep would likely be better "value".

You can see my thoughts about the Sultan Fjordgard in post #3 here . I personally would choose the Ultimate Dreams which is the same price, has 3" of a higher quality latex which can be customized for firmness and has a higher density polyfoam bse layer as well.

The Pure Sleep HR polyfoam/gel topper lineup is a good quality topper and the gel works out to be 5.4 lbs / ft3 which is lower than the Technogel. I have a hard time imagining that the Technogel is really 64 lbs/ft3 and I keep thinking that there should be a decimal point in the middle but I don't know this for sure. If it was it would be the densest material I know of that was used in a mattress. A 1" layer in a queen size would weigh 178 lbs which I find somewhat hard to believe. I think you may have the price wrong though for a king unless you have a source that is a lower cost than I'm aware of.

Overall though ... I think a good quality latex/polyfoam hybrid with the Pure sleep gel topper would be the best value of the three but of course I have no idea how it would feel and perform in use because I don't have any personal experience with it and there are some missing pieces of information about all the gels that each of these uses.

If you are committed to using gel materials then there is one other one that I'm aware of which is some of the Kingsdown Blutek line like the Glacier which uses 1.5" of gel they don't list the density of the gel or the other layers in the mattress.

Phoenix
20 Jan 2013 21:45
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Hi cbcb,

Can I assume my posts do not give my identifying information?


Yes ... the only information that is available or visible to any other members is your user name and what you post. I am the administrator of the site so I personally can access any information you provided when you registered but this is not given to anyone else for any reason.

I have read a great deal of info on your site and am still confused as to the best mattress for me. I am a senior living in the Los Angeles area and have gone to one of the nearby retail outlets listed on your suggested list as well as to sitnsleep and a couple of other big chain outlets. I am 5'4" female and weigh approx 140 lbs, have mild COPD and some back issues depending on chair or bed. I am a combo side/stomach sleeper.


Post #1 here has the most simple and effective steps I know that will lead you to the best possible mattress for your own unique needs and preferences. The most important things to remember is to test specifically for pressure relief, support/alignment, your other preferences, and to make sure you know the layering of any mattress you are testing so that you can identify any potential weak links. The post I mentioned has links in it to help you with all of this.

Other than that ... it's always much easier and more effective to work with people who are "experts" and already know this information and will help explain it to you in ways that make sense to you than to try to become an expert yourself. They will already know what you would otherwise need to learn to make the best choices. The information the post links to and the overviews will give you a clear idea about who really knows their stuff and has your best interests at heart vs. who is more focused on marketing or promotional information and is more concerned with selling you anything they can and their profit or commission.

Post #4 here may also be well worth reading.

I have tried Latex Intl latex beds (firm and extra firm) and find they cause some pressure. In trying Tempurperdics I find that if I sleep on my right side that there is mild discomfort in my left hip (due to left hip rising, right hip sinking in?


This is not so much a matter of material as it is the design of a mattress and the firmness of the layering and materials that are in the mattress. Every material has softer and firmer versions and designs so a mattress that uses softer or thicker layers in the comfort layers than what you have been testing (which provides the primary pressure relief) and suitably firm materials in the deeper layers (which provides the primary support and alignment of a mattress) would be the direction I would go. Both latex and memory foam (and any other type of material) comes in a wide variety of designs and softness/firmness levels that provide different levels of pressure relief and support/alignment. Finding the best design for you that provides you with your basic needs and preferences (pressure relief and support/alignment) along with the other preferences of feel and performance that can come from the materials themselves is the goal of testing. Outside of your basic needs (pressure relief and alignment) ... everything else is a matter of preferences that are unique to you along with knowing the materials in the mattress so you can reasonably assess its durability and make meaningful comparisons with other mattresses that are similar to assess their "value" relative to other mattresses. The "job" of a good sleep consultant (and most in the industry are unfortunately not that knowledgeable) is to help and educate you about all of this as it relates to the mattresses they sell.

Ultimately in a few years i may need an adjustable bed (or would slightly stacked pillows suffice?).


An adjustable bed can make a great choice but in most cases they are an option rather than a necessity. You can read more about my thoughts on these in post #3 here and the link it contains to more information in the adjustable bed thread. Using pillows outside of under your head and neck can certainly make a difference in your sleeping comfort and support (under the knees for back sleepers, under the pelvis for stomach sleepers, and between the knees for side sleepers) but this will not replace or be the same as the function of an adjustable bed.

I have also tried the ISleep Organic firm bed which has coils but is supposed to be adj. bed-compatible should I need that in the future. The mattress is a bit too firm bit the Latex topper makes things a bit more comfortable. I feel like a bit of a fool going back to the same places more than twice to test mattresses (seem like a tire-kicker?). The person I worked with at the LA store was doing her best to accommodate me - also suggested a best seller in the store the IComfort Savant Plush - this surprised me based on the reviews on you website. Has this mattress improved? It sort of bothered my lower back. I am also concerned with the 'restocking' fees should the mattress not work out (the LA store has a higher fee than the chain stores).


When I was testing mattresses I went to some of the places I was testing half a dozen times or more. Anyone who suggests an iComfort is focused more on "showroom feel" though than they are on the quality or value of the mattress because they won't be able to tell you the quality of the materials inside it and without this information quality is a meaningless word. No matter how a mattress feels in a showroom in terms of comfort and support ... if the materials don't have good quality they won't maintain their comfort and support for the long term and the loss of comfort and support is not covered by any warranty. many of the listings in this forum are "possibilities" and I will usually list the manufacturers I would consider there. You would never see the iComfort or Serta included in the mattresses I would suggest in any retailer listing either for testing purposes or for a purchase.

All the suggestions are always subject to finding a knowledgeable person at the outlets that are listed and no matter where you buy or what is listed anywhere ... if you are dealing with someone who can't tell you the details of the specific mattress you are considering (and you are not inclined to spend a lot of time doing research that your salesperson should be doing on your behalf) I wouldn't spend any time even testing it because it will cause more confusion and frustration than it will help you make a good choice. No matter where you go ... I would only test mattresses where the quality details of what is in that specific mattress are readily available to you. The iSleeporganic mattresses use some good quality materials and I believe that they will also provide you with the specific details of all the layers that they use.

A Diamond daybed foam mattress was just put on the floor that I tried briefly but there was no queen size to test and the sales person wasn't sure of the density (too new)


Diamond is a regional manufacturer that is making some better than average quality and value mattresses but once again ... if the retailer can't tell you the specific details of the mattress you are considering (and doesn't phone the manufacturer to find out what you need to know) then I would pass that mattress by ... at least at that store ... and only consider it at a retailer that can provide you with the information you need to make informed choices.

I would also be interested in what you know re the Sherwood Evo Biomedical gel springless mattress sold bt sitnsleep. The spec sheet given me by the store says 2 lb density furniture grade soy based support foam. Over that is soy-based memory foam and soy based gel infused memory foam. The top is 1 1/4" layer of engineered HD foam with 3/4" soy-based gel poured into it. The gel topper has 2000% more gel than gel infused memory foam and the 1 1/4" topper is supposed to be more expensive than 3" of talalay The RX300 says the amount of density of memory foam underneath the gel is: 2" (1" 4 lb, 1" 4.7 lb gel-infused). Mattress has 20yr non-prorated warranty with 3/4" threshold. Mattress is supposed to be made in the USA, has an organic cotton ticking, is adjustable- friendly.


Sherwood is another regional manufacturer that is making some good quality and value mattresses. Once again though ts important to know the specifics of the layering so you can make more meaningful quality and value comparisons with other mattress. This includes the thickness of the layers and the specific quality of every layer (especially including any memory foam or polyfoam in the mattress). Solid gel materials are very high quality and very durable as they mentioned and much more costly than other types of foam (such as memory foam) that only infuse some gel into the foam. They are also more costy than latex. Whether they are 'worth" the additional cost over other high quality materials would depend entirely on whether the benefits of that specific mattress in terms of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) justified the extra cost. Their mattresses that use solid gel are significantly less than others that use an inch of a similar material and are much more costly (such as the Technogel mattresses here ) which have an inch of solid gel in the top layer and the rest of the mattress is polyfoam. The questioin to ask is does this mattress provide the type of PPP that justifies its cost over other mattresses that use high quality materials that are less costly. Only each person can answer that question based on their personal testing and "value equation".

So what you are looking for is a layer by layer outline of the mattress along these lines ...

1 1/4" layer of engineered HD foam with 3/4" soy-based gel poured into it: What is the density of the HD foam used as a base?

1" or 4.7 lb soy based gel infused memory foam: This would generally be a good quality material but it would depend to some degree on the type of gel memory foam being used

1" of 4 lb soy-based memory foam: This is a medium quality/density memory foam but is also deeper in th mattress which would improve its durability.

NOTE: I'm not clear on which of these two layers is on top of the other.

Unknown thickness of 2.0 lb polyfoam support core: This is a good quality material and suitable for use as the support layer.

Based on these specs ... there are no "low quality" materials in this mattress (with the possible exception of the polyfoam that is part of the gel topper but this is thinner so any softening would have less overall effect on the mattress). I would want to know if the gel memory foam is infused together as a liquid or if it has particulates (see this post about the different types of gel foams ). there are no obvious "weak links" however.

If this layering is correct and subject to confirming the missing details ... this seems to be a reasonable choice based on quality but its value would depend on how it performed and matched your needs and preferences compared to other mattress that did the same.

This thread (someone that was happy with their choice) and post #6 here (from someone that wan't as happy) may also be worth reading.

Hope this helps ...

Phoenix
16 Dec 2012 17:12
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Hi Sara Smile,

After months of my husband sleeping on the couch instead of our bed, because of lower back pain, I've decided its time. We need to get a topper or a new mattress. Because my husband has lower back pain, I think we need to get a new mattress, but for financial reasons, I am hoping it might make sense to get a topper now and get a new mattress later on.


In most cases ... buying a topper to "fix" a mattress that has softened and developed dips would be throwing good money after bad. It may help to some smaller degree to even out the dips a little or for a while but for the most part the topper will just sink into them as well and if the topper was too soft could even make the problem worse (it would put you even further away from the support layers of the mattress).

If you did decide to experiment with toppers I would buy from a source that had a good refund policy so if it didn't work for you that you could return it.

Generally though the symptoms you are describing mean that the mattresses has reached the end of its useful life.

Yesterday we went to the Healthy Back Store and tried several mattresses. Both my husband and I preferred the same ones. We liked their firmer memory foam mattress better than the softer one, we liked the softer technogel bed (Estasi) better than the firmer one (Armonia), and the latex mattresses came in third. The softer one (Essence) was better than the firm one, but we both didn't find it as "comfy" as the other mattresses. They both seemed to be too firm to me, and I thought they were very bouncy. I was pretty disappointed, because I like the idea of a latex mattress (natural, fewer chemicals, biodegradeable, durable, etc.).


The Technogel mattresses are certainly very nice but they are also very expensive. They have an inch (or less) of the gel material and the rest of the materials are the same as other mattresses. For those where "nothing else would do" they could be a good choice but for most there would be other options that provided the PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) they needed. Their memory foam mattresses seem to be good value (their own not the Tempurpedics they also carry) but they don't list the density of the memory foam or the base foam so it's not really possible to make meaningful comparisons or assessments. Most of the people I've talked with at various healthy Back stores have been very knowledgeable and helpful so their ability to help you make suitable choices would also be part of the "value" of any mattress purchase. It may also be worth trying their ultra soft latex toppers on top of the Bliss mattresses to see how you feel about the softest latex available.

We may try to get to Savvy Rest and try out their mattresses, to see if they feel different/better.


These are also high quality mattresses ... although they are much more costly than many other choices that use similar quality latex. They would be well worth testing although their softest latex (the soft all natural Talalay) are firmer than the comfort layers in the Pure Latex Bliss.

It looks like a good mattress will be $2 or $3k, and with a new baby on the way, I'd prefer to put that off if possible. Also, with a toddler and a new baby, I'm worried about getting a memory foam mattress (chemicals and smell, and future environmental impact). I still like the idea of latex, and maybe we would like it better if we put something else on top (wool, silk, featherbed, etc.).


I would also be cautious with memory foam with a new baby or very young children if they were either sleeping on or spending significant time on the mattress. There are many good quality/value mattresses well under $2000 though (depending to some degree on the size and type of materials you are looking for). I would tend to start by identifying some of the better manufacturers or retailers in your area. If you let me know the city you live I'd be happy to let you know of any I'm aware of.

Although a mattress topper won't fix our old mattress, I wonder if it would make it sleepable for another few months or a year. I was thinking the Rejuvenite Talalate latex topper from mattresses.net, in plush or firm, might be enough to get some more life out of our current mattress, and since it is slow recovery it might feel a bit more like memory foam.


If you mean the rejuvenite mattress toppers here ... these are Talalay latex which is a fast response material. They do sell slow response talalay GL as well on their other website here . It has some similarities to memory foam but is a little bit firmer.

The 3" latexco dunlop topper they have now is a bit cheaper, but I don't know if we'd like it as much. Would either of these (or something else) be a good idea, or just a waste of money? I could look at other mattress toppers, such as wool, silk, etc. if they would also be a good consideration.


The latexco dunlop topper is a great value and would be a bit firmer than the softer Talalay (Dunlop gets firmer faster than Talalay as you sink into it). It's also a fast response material though and would also be very different from memory foam.

Thicker wool and silk toppers could also help to some degree to even out the dips but overall all of these would still have the same problem which is the soft spots under the topper and in most cases I don't think they would be as "partially" effective as a foam topper of some type. If I had to choose, I would probably choose a 3" topper in the choice of foam material that you preferred (latex, memory foam, or polyfoam). Given that your husband has back issues and prefers the couch (which tends to use firmer foams than mattresses) I would tend towards a little firmer than a little softer (for example the 28 ILD Rejuvenite over the 19 ILD rejuvenite) but this seems to be contrary to your preferences when you were testing mattresses (when you said that the soft latex in the Essence was too firm although this is not their softest latex mattress) but again I would keep in mind that all of these choices would be risky ones when the mattress underneath seems to be past its due date.

Generally the best use of a topper is to soften up a mattress that is too firm (it is more of a "comfort" product) not to "fix" a mattress that has become too soft and where the loss of support is the real issue.

Phoenix

PS: I'm curious how you managed to post to the forum as a visitor without being registered or logged in. The forum settings don't allow this but somehow you seem to have managed it and I'd sure be curious how you managed to do it (which buttons you pressed).
16 Dec 2012 11:58
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After months of my husband sleeping on the couch instead of our bed, because of lower back pain, I've decided its time. We need to get a topper or a new mattress. Because my husband has lower back pain, I think we need to get a new mattress, but for financial reasons, I am hoping it might make sense to get a topper now and get a new mattress later on.

Right now, we've got a 5 or 6 year old Sealy Posturpedic, that has been moved 4 times. I used to like it a lot, and now it's just okay. It has two big dips where we sleep, which I find uncomfortable, and my husband hates. I am 5'5" and 110 (now I'm six months pregnant and more than that), mostly stomach and sometimes side sleeper, and my husband is 6'1" and 180, side and back sleeper.

Yesterday we went to the Healthy Back Store and tried several mattresses. Both my husband and I preferred the same ones. We liked their firmer memory foam mattress better than the softer one, we liked the softer technogel bed (Estasi) better than the firmer one (Armonia), and the latex mattresses came in third. The softer one (Essence) was better than the firm one, but we both didn't find it as "comfy" as the other mattresses. They both seemed to be too firm to me, and I thought they were very bouncy. I was pretty disappointed, because I like the idea of a latex mattress (natural, fewer chemicals, biodegradeable, durable, etc.). We may try to get to Savvy Rest and try out their mattresses, to see if they feel different/better.

It looks like a good mattress will be $2 or $3k, and with a new baby on the way, I'd prefer to put that off if possible. Also, with a toddler and a new baby, I'm worried about getting a memory foam mattress (chemicals and smell, and future environmental impact). I still like the idea of latex, and maybe we would like it better if we put something else on top (wool, silk, featherbed, etc.).

Although a mattress topper won't fix our old mattress, I wonder if it would make it sleepable for another few months or a year. I was thinking the Rejuvenite Talalate latex topper from mattresses.net, in plush or firm, might be enough to get some more life out of our current mattress, and since it is slow recovery it might feel a bit more like memory foam. The 3" latexco dunlop topper they have now is a bit cheaper, but I don't know if we'd like it as much. Would either of these (or something else) be a good idea, or just a waste of money? I could look at other mattress toppers, such as wool, silk, etc. if they would also be a good consideration.
15 Sep 2012 19:08
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Hi spiralingshape,

Congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'd be interested in hearing about your experience with it when you've had the chance to sleep on it for a while because you are one of the few that would be sleeping on a layer of solid gel along with gel infused memory foam instead of the much more common gel infused foams that are in most "gel" mattresses.

One of the only other mattresses that uses a similar solid layer of gel on top is here (also 1" of gel but with some surface modifications and different layering and materials underneath so its not a direct "apples to apples" comparison) and as you can see it is significantly more.

Thanks for sharing your mattress shopping experiences.

Phoenix
22 Jul 2012 20:04
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Hi rheamav,

The Pure Relax house brand mattresses are made by Anatomic global which is owned by FXI/Foamex which is a CertiPur certified* American foam manufacturer which makes some high quality foam. FXI uses a VPF (Variable Pressure Foaming) manufacturing process which produces a very open celled and breathable foam.
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These are not in any way "green" or "natural" mattresses though and both memory foam and polyfoam are petrochemical based foams no matter what type they are. Most of the American foam pourers do make foams that replace a small part of the petrochemical polyols (one of the two main chemicals that are used to make polyfoam and memory foam) with plant based polyols but even though these are "promoted" everywhere as being "green" or in some cases "natural" ... nothing could be further from the truth. They are still polyfoam or memory foam which has replaced a small portion of one of the chemicals (usually under 20%) with a plant oil based alternative. This is certainly a step in a good direction but doesn't qualify a foam to be called either "green" or "natural" which is what is called "greenwashing".

Knowing the quality and value of these mattresses would depend on knowing the density of the memory foam and polyfoam they use and the thickness of the layers so they can be compared to other similar mattresses. Without knowing this (or without an outlet that is willing to tell you) there is no way to know the quality and potential durability of a mattress. While these are likely to be good quality, their prices seem quite high compared to similar mattresses that are available that use the same or perhaps higher quality materials (although a better comparison can only be made if you know the density of the material).

The Estasi is one of the mattresses made by Technogel and a forum search on "Technogel" (you can click this) will bring up quite a few posts with comments about them. They are a very high quality and performance material with viscoelastic properties, non toxic, and very durable, but they are also very expensive and there would need to be a clear difference between them and other high quality options in terms of performance ad feel (there are many cool sleeping mattresses) in order to justify their much higher price IMO. The technogel layer is an inch thick and is inserted in a polyfoam layer (either across the whole surface as in the Estasi or Sollievo or across part of it in the Piacere.

Very nice but difficult to justify. They also make some pillows which would be worth considering for someone who loved the feel of this material but they are also very expensive.

Hope this helps.

Phoenix
22 Jul 2012 16:54
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We are looking at the Pure Relax Mattress by Relax the Back. I can't find as much information on them as I would like. I'm wondering how 'Pure' they really are.and if there is any off gassing with these mattresses. They are a bit pricey but they come the closest any green mattress I've looked at so far.

Another interesting mattress they carry is the Estasi Mattress, from Italy, even more $$. But it's cool! Here again, not much information to be found online.

Do your magic and tell me what I need to know.

Rhea
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