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19 Feb 2015 09:44
  • Simmons
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Thank you, immensely Phoenix! I didn't realize that you had already had some interaction with them and warned against Astrabeds here on the forum. Wow, it seems like they are engaging in some pretty sketchy stuff with all of those websites that pretend like they are all unbiased and such. Isn't that against the law, not revealing that you are affiliated with an organization when making a recommendation? They could probably get in a heap of trouble with the FTC :S .

Anyhow, from the looks of it appears to be a tangled web of deceit. I'm thankful to you for pointing this out to me. It would be interesting to see if that Joey guy stopped by here again to defend the BBB reviews or that collection of websites. Following your links and suggestions to learn more about them, I had a look at those and they all clearly make out like the Astrabeds and the Amerisleep that you say are connected are the best in consumer satisfaction. That is just downright dishonest masquerading that way if you ask me.

Beyond that, what you say about not really putting a lot of consideration into reviews because we are all so individual makes sense. Thanks for the link on the mattress shopping tutorial and the other posts that I found very useful in knowing how to approach mattress shopping in a more educated way. I'm going to have some conversations with a couple of the outlets you mention that come more recommended, and I'll focus on the PPP rather than the BBB.

Great resource, thanks Phoenix!

Walt
23 Jan 2015 16:30
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Hi jayjonbeach,

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:


I would be very cautious about using someone else's experience on any mattress (either positive or negative) as a meaningful source of guidance about how a mattress will feel for you because firmness and softness is very subjective and relative to different people (a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel soft for someone else) and each person can be very different. A mattress that is a "perfect" match for one person in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, or Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... even if they are in similar weight ranges. Using other people's mattress reviews or experiences as a meaningful source of research and information can often be more misleading than helpful (see post #13 here ).

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses regardless of whether there are any reviews or feedback about any particular mattress.

There is also more in post #2 here about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that can help you identify and minimize the risks involved with each of them.

let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial


While I can't speak to how well any of their mattresses may work for you in terms of PPP (your own experience will be the only reliable way to know this) ... all of these materials are good quality/density and there aren't any weak links in the mattress.

FXI is a US manufacturer and is CertiPUR certified so this would meet the criteria I use for relative "safety" even though Amerisleep itself isn't on the CertiPUR list.

Their 90 day trial also doesn't include shipping costs which can be substantial because the return shipping for a uncompressed mattress would need to be through common carrier rather than courier.

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?


You can see my "generic" comments about Amerisleep in post #2 here . A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them but as far as I know all the forum members that were considering them ended up purchasing somewhere else except for two (see post #5 here and post #1 here ) who both ended up returning their mattress.

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?


Not in general terms no and it would depend entirely on the specific chemical formulation of the memory foam. There is more about the different properties of different types of memory foam in post #9 here and post #8 here and there is more about "cooling down" memory foam in post #6 here . I would also be aware that so called "plant based" foam has only replaced a relatively small portion of one of the two main chemicals (the polyol) used to make the foam and they would be closely comparable to "regular" memory foam (see post #2 here ).

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?


Again in general terms no. This would also depend on the specific properties that have been chemically formulated into the foam.

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?


Once again this will depend on the specifics of the foam (some "plant based" foams can smell worse than non plant based foams) but the certification of a foam would be the most reliable way to decide on whether any material is "safe enough for you" because outside of specific testing results there is no way to know this for certain.

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?


More open cell structures are one of the variables that can improve the temperature regulation of a particular foam layer yes (see the previous link about cooling down memory foam). There are many other variables involved though besides just the foam layers in a mattress that can have a significant effect on the sleeping temperature of a mattress (see post #2 here ).

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.


The better online options and possibilities I'm aware of that ship across Canada are listed in post #21 here .

Phoenix
23 Jan 2015 13:32
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Hi Phoenix and all. You can see where I am going with this from the title. I've been doing CRAZY amounts of research and reading, here, there, everywhere, and it "seems" 'on the surface', these are good beds.

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial

Is there a weakness here in this product or company I am not seeing, besides their marketing practices? (which I don't agree with either, but I am trying to buy a bed not a share in their company)

Here are some things you or people on the forum might be able to help me discern here:

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.

TIA

p.s note I will be starting a new thread on more specific help to finalize my decision re Latex or foam, other companies etc
05 Jan 2015 10:40
  • phoenix
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Hi raqdiantchild,

what are your thoughts on bragada and Bowles? both factories are very close to my house.


You can see some comments about Bragada here . My thoughts about the quality of their individual mattresses would depend on the densities of the foam layers so I would make sure you can find this out before considering them (see this article ). Outside of making sure that a mattress is a good match for your body type, sleeping style, and personal preferences (preferably using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) ... a mattress is only as good as its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label. I removed the reference to 4 and 5 lb memory foam in their description in the Louisville list because I don't know if this is still current.


You can see some comments about Bowles Mattress in post #3 here and a forum search on Bowles (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well including comments about the quality of the materials in some of their mattresses.

If you buy direct from their factory, are prices usually negotiable?


Most factory direct manufacturers and better retail stores will sell their mattresses at their best price every day of the year and their prices aren't generally negotiable. I would tend to treat negotiable prices (and "major" sales that are generally fake and happen on an ongoing basis) as a red flag. You can read more about "negotiated" pricing in post #6 here .

Phoenix
27 Dec 2014 15:10
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Hi frederixx,

The best place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

We're looking for a new mattress and from my readings, foam was the best choice.


Almost all mattresses contain some type of foam material (latex foam, memory foam, polyfoam) as either part or all of their design but the type of materials or components and the type of mattress which is "best for you" is always a personal preference. There are also better quality and more durable versions and lower quality and less durable versions of most foam materials so regardless of which type of foam or which type of mattress you tend to prefer based on testing different types of mattresses ... the goal is always to make sure that you know the type and quality of all the materials inside it so that you can identify any weak links in the mattress and make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses (see this article ).

We're both side and sometimes back sleepers. Since i have shoulder problem, i need a soft mattress (just not too soft where you sink in it).


There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here . Softness and firmness is very subjective and a mattress that feels too soft for one person may feel to firm for someone else. The "best" mattress for you (regardless of whether it is best for anyone else) is the one that is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

There is also more about the different ways to choose a mattress (online or local) and how to reduce the risks involved with each of them in post #2 here .

From what i read, i should avoid top brands like Sealy, etc...


Yes ... I would avoid the major brands or any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here ).

Novosbed.ca (the Aria) - decent price
Amerisleep.ca (the Colonial) - expensive
Amazon.ca (DreamFoam Bedding Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress) - good price


When you are considering an online choice the one of the most important parts of your purchase will be a more detailed conversation with the manufacturer or retailer so they can help "talk you through" the options that are best for you based on the information you provide them, your local testing on similar mattresses, and on the "averages" of their customers that are similar to you.

These are different mattresses so the first step is to decide which of these you are most likely to sleep well on (which is the most important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase).

The Aria is similar to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme, the Colonial is similar to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe, and the Dreamfoam 13" gel memory foam is also similar to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe so I would test the equivalent Tempurpedic mattresses locally to see which one is the best match for you in terms of PPP which will help you narrow down your choices.

Once you have narrowed down your choices and have talked with each of them on the phone ... then you can also compare them based on the type and quality of the materials inside them (especially in the upper layers which are the weakest link of a mattress in terms of durability) and on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

and many at Costco.ca...


You can see my thoughts about buying from Costco in post #4 here . They certainly wouldn't be the best source of guidance and most of their mattresses tend to use lower quality materials than I would be comfortable with and they aren't generally the best quality/value choice either but if you decide on one of their better quality mattresses then at least they have a good return policy (although other online sources that may have better quality/value mattresses and offer better guidance may also have very good return policies as well).

Are there better values elsewhere?


The "value" of a mattress purchase depends on a combination of which mattress is the best match for you in terms of PPP, the quality and durability of the materials inside it, and all the other criteria that are most important to you, but if you are committed to a memory foam mattress then the mattress shopping tutorial includes a list of the better online sources for memory foam mattresses I'm aware of which includes Novosbed and Dreamfoam (which is also a member of this site ). If you do decide on Dreamfoam I would also make sure that you purchase from the Dreamfoam site rather than Amazon so that you have the benefit of the 10% discount they are offering (see their facebook page here ) and their 45 day comfort guarantee.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up more about them as well. While they are in a "better than average" value range compared to most mainstream choices ... there are also other options available to you that for most people would be a better quality/value choice.

TheBay also has this deal: www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet...-euro-pillow-top-set (988$)


As you mentioned in your earlier comments (which I would agree with as you can see in the guidelines I linked earlier) ... I would avoid the major brands completely because they tend to use lower quality less durable materials in their comfort layers than I would be comfortable with in their price range (which means the sale price not the fake regular price) and they are one of the most frequent sources of buyers remorse much too quickly after a purchase.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd also be happy to let you know about any of the better local options or possibilities I'm aware of as well.

Phoenix
27 Dec 2014 14:20
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Hi,

We're looking for a new mattress and from my readings, foam was the best choice.

We're both side and sometimes back sleepers. Since i have shoulder problem, i need a soft mattress (just not too soft where you sink in it).

From what i read, i should avoid top brands like Sealy, etc...

I've found a few decent deals:

Novosbed.ca (the Aria) - decent price
Amerisleep.ca (the Colonial) - expensive
Amazon.ca (DreamFoam Bedding Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress) - good price

and many at Costco.ca...

Are there better values elsewhere?

TheBay also has this deal: www.thebay.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/thebay/hybrid-specialty-titanium-gold-champion-euro-pillow-top-set (988$)

Thank you
22 Nov 2014 20:02
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So we originally had a Simmons Beautyrest Dresden Plush which we both loved purchased in 2005. But it was getting old and we wanted to go from a Queen to a Cal King. We shopped locally at a place here in Santa Cruz called Bay Bed and Mattress. We bought the top of the line Royale and found it very uncomfortable. It was 4 layers of taylay latex over an innerspring core, fully customizable. To their credit, Bay Bed and Mattress provided excellent customer service and came out several times to adjust the latex layers of the mattress but ultimately we were waking up sore and not sleeping well and returned the mattress.

We then bought an eco-friendly memory foam mattress from Amerisleep. We again bought the top of the line mattress, the Colonial. We both found it too firm despite the online description saying it was the ultimate in plushness. We bought the memory foam topper to give it more of a plush feeling but that is also not working and we will be returning the mattress and the topper after our 30 day sleep trial is over.

This is leading us back to the innerspring mattresses with the basic foam layers found in most of the big, national brands like the Simmons we had previously. We are now very wary about buying sight unseen on the internet but where we live there is only national chain outlets outside of our local Bay Bed and Mattress.

Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Most of what I am reading in the tutorials and in the forums is that the big mattress companies use inferior foams and are no better than mattresses made locally and regionally. I would like to avoid the big mattress companies if possible but it seems almost impossible at this point. Are there any high quality, local, US-made companies out there that make mattresses that aren't memory foam or latex. And if so, how do I try before I buy so we don't end up returning a third mattress?

Any help, advice or encouragement would be appreciated. Thank you.
16 Oct 2014 17:14
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Hi Braden,

I would start with the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones. The information that it links to will answer most of the questions you are asking but I'll make some additional comments in my reply here as well.

I am new to the forum and have perused the materials. I am in the metro Detroit area and stopped by the Mattress To Go store as recommended. The gentleman there was very helpful and knowledgeable and his business practices are excellent, however, he only sells latex mattresses. There is nothing wrong with this; they seem like fine quality product. But, I prefer the comfort/feel of the iComfort Savant Plush (seemed to have no pressure point issues at all) and was looking for something similar in feel, but at a better price and hopefully with better quality materials since I am a little more weary of it after reading about materials and iComfort longevity on this website.


I'm not sure which of their mattresses you were looking at but they sell many mattresses other than latex and they carry memory foam mattresses as well. Some of the other options or possibilities in the Detroit area are also included in post #2 here .

Do iComforts go on sale at Black Friday, or will it just be a free pillow or something? Is it worth waiting for Black Friday for a deal on a good memory foam mattress? If so, which quality brands partake of this 'holiday'? :)


You can see some comments about "fake sales" in the guidelines here and in post #5 here . I would treat these types of sales as a red flag.

Can anyone recommend any mattresses or foundations that are comparable in comfort/feel but perhaps better quality and cheaper? Anything I can try out beforehand in the metro Detroit area?


There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one in post #9 here but unless a manufacturer specifically says in their description of a mattress that a mattress is designed to "match" or "approximate" another one then the only way to know if a mattress will feel similar to you would be based on your own personal testing and experience. I would also keep in mind that "feel" is so subjective that two mattresses that feel the same to one person may feel very different to someone else.

Unfortunately, nobody else can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able know what a mattress will feel like to you or to suggest a specific mattress that would be suitable for someone else with any degree of certainty (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I would also be very cautious about purchasing a mattress based on feel alone rather than more careful testing for PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post because "feel" is a preference and often doesn't "translate" into a mattress that works well in "real life". Your posture and alignment and the pressure relief on a mattress are essential and are much more connected to the quality of your sleep than the "feel" of a mattress (you can't feel a mattress when you are sleeping). When you choose a mattress based only on the more subjective parts of your experience then your odds of success can be less than random chance alone (see this study ).

I would also be very careful about using one mattress as your ideal "target" and I would suggest "rating" all the mattresses you test based on a common set of criteria that are part of your personal value equation ( see here ). Two mattresses that feel the same to one person may feel very different to someone else.

There is also more about the most important parts of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

Outside of PPP ... it's also very important to make sure you know the type and quality of the materials in a mattress ( see here ) because no matter how it feels when it's new if the materials in a mattress are low quality and less durable then they can soften or break down too quickly and you can lose the comfort and support that was the reason you purchased it in the first place much too quickly relative to the price you paid. There is little value in purchasing a mattress that "feels" great or that is a great match for you in terms of PPP when it is new if it breaks down very quickly and you end up needing to replace it much too quickly.

Have any of you tried anything comparable in an online-only retailer like AmeriSleep or Novosbed? All these online stores offer 90 or 120 day money back guarantees, but I am wary that there will be a loophole and they won't take it back, or I will have to waste a bunch of time packing an enormous bed up and shipping it back somewhere if I don't like it. Is this the case? Which online retailers would you trust most that would have something comparable?


The tutorial post includes this link to a list of some of the better online memory foam manufacturers that I'm aware of and many of these make comparisons in their descriptioins to some of the major brands (most often Tempurpedic) so you can test a local mattress to give you a better sense of the firmness and feel of their mattress before you purchase it. Novosbed is on the list for example and has 4 memory foam mattresses that approximate either the Tempurpedic Contour Select, the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme, the Sealy Optimum Destiny, and the Sealy Optimum Inspiration so you could test these mattresses locally to get some sense of their firmness level and feel.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up more about them as well. While they are in a "better than average" value range compared to most mainstream choices ... there are also other options available to you that may be a better value choice.

When you can't test a mattress in person and you are considering an online purchase then I would also make sure that you have a more detailed conversation with the online retailer or manufacturer so they can help "talk you through" the options they have that would be the most suitable choice based on the information you provide them and on the "averages" of their customers that are similar to you. I would also make sure that you are comfortable with their return or exchange options so that if in spite of "best efforts" your sleeping experience indicates that the mattress isn't a good match for you that you are comfortable with the options you have to return or exchange it.

ALSO, have any of you tried the iMattress G4? Is it firm or soft like the Savant Plush? Is it a high-quality mattress?


Your own personal testing will tell you whether the mattress feels firm or soft to you because each person can have a very different perception of firmness and softness and and it may feel firmer or softer to you than it does for someone else.

If you can list the type and density of all the materials in the mattress ( see here ) and post it on the forum I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the mattress and the materials inside it and help you identify any weak links in the mattress. Without this there is no way to know and if you can't find out this information from the retailer that sells it then I would pass the mattress by.

Choosing the mattress that is "best for you" will really come down to three things ...

First is testing for suitability and PPP (or a more detailed conversation with an online manufacturer when you can't test a mattress in person).

Second is checking for the type and quality of the materials inside the mattress so you can make sure there are no weak links and make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses.

Third ... once you are confident with the first two and you are down to finalists that are between "good and good" ... then you can make meaningful comparisons with the other mattresses you are considering based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price and the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return it) and make the final choice that is best for you.

Phoenix
16 Oct 2014 14:58
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Hi!

I am new to the forum and have perused the materials. I am in the metro Detroit area and stopped by the Mattress To Go store as recommended. The gentleman there was very helpful and knowledgeable and his business practices are excellent, however, he only sells latex mattresses. There is nothing wrong with this; they seem like fine quality product. But, I prefer the comfort/feel of the iComfort Savant Plush (seemed to have no pressure point issues at all) and was looking for something similar in feel, but at a better price and hopefully with better quality materials since I am a little more weary of it after reading about materials and iComfort longevity on this website.

Do iComforts go on sale at Black Friday, or will it just be a free pillow or something? Is it worth waiting for Black Friday for a deal on a good memory foam mattress? If so, which quality brands partake of this 'holiday'? :)

I am only 150 lbs, but have GERD and bothersome pressure points in my left leg/hip/lower back and am afraid the bounciness of the latex won't suit my needs. I am looking to get an adjustable head/foot foundation (no massage or led light nonsense) and a queen size mattress for its extra length.

Can anyone recommend any mattresses or foundations that are comparable in comfort/feel but perhaps better quality and cheaper? Anything I can try out beforehand in the metro Detroit area?

Have any of you tried anything comparable in an online-only retailer like AmeriSleep or Novosbed? All these online stores offer 90 or 120 day money back guarantees, but I am wary that there will be a loophole and they won't take it back, or I will have to waste a bunch of time packing an enormous bed up and shipping it back somewhere if I don't like it. Is this the case? Which online retailers would you trust most that would have something comparable?

I have been looking in stores and online and find that it is pretty overwhelming to try to take it all in since I can't actually try out any of the online mattresses, everyone seems to have different metrics for 'soft' or 'plush', and the store mattresses do not always get specific about materials and I don't have time to go to more than one or two stores a week.

ALSO, have any of you tried the iMattress G4? Is it firm or soft like the Savant Plush? Is it a high-quality mattress?

Thanks everyone, you have a cool website here!

Braden
11 Oct 2014 00:15
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Hi EZ4HZ,

I was wondering what you guys think of these sites like sleeplikethedead.com and this top 10 ranking


These are very different types of sites completely. Sleeplikethedead is a site that amalgamates reviews and then publishes the results. You can see my thoughts about them in post post #2 here and about the "value" of reviews in general in post #13 here and post #4 here .

The second site you linked is just another "so called" expert site that is really just an advertising site ( see here ) that contains no meaningful information. There is also more about other "so called" expert sites that you will see all over the internet in post #12 here .

They list Amerisleep on their main page which along with its sister companies Astrabeds and Simply Rest also run many fake review or "expert" sites that are just designed to sell their mattresses (see post #2 here and the posts it links to).

Even Consumer Reports has completely dropped the ball when it comes to mattresses (see post #2 here and this topic ).

The idea of "rating" a mattress without taking into account the person sleeping on it or the quality and durability of the materials in the mattress is questionable at best and deceptive at worst. There is more about what I would consider to be the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here .

The best place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

It is the Lucid and the Sarah Peyton. Are these mattresses worth anything at all? A third option that I almost bought is Dynasty 10 inch. I would consider going for the Dynasty 12 inch if it performs considerably better. My biggest needs are supporting my lower back. I have a significant arch there. I'm 5'5", 155 LB male and I have bad posture, lower back pain, and joint paint already at 27 which I believe has alot to do with my lower back arch and one leg being slightly longer than the other. I know the mattress won't cure this but it's a small step forward.


I would be cautious about Lucid and I would read post #6 here and post #2 here along with this topic and the posts they link to before considering them. A forum search on Lucid (you can just click the link) will also bring up more information about them as well.

I would also be very cautious about Sarah Peyton and I would make sure you know the quality/density of all the layers inside any mattress you are considering so you can identify any weak links and make more meaningful comparisons to other mattresses. I would also read post #6 here about compressed mattresses that are made in China. While I don't normally pay much attention to reviews ... there is a clear pattern with this one of mattresses that didn't decompress to their full height and durability issues that happened in a short period of time. They are also not on the CertiPur list* .
ADMIN NOTE: *Removed 404 link|Archived Footprint: certipur.us/pages/for-consumers/find-products/

You can see some comments about Dynasty in posts #3 and #4 here and a forum search on Dynasty (you can just click the link) will bring up more information about them as well. Again ... I would always make sure you know the density of all the layers in any mattress you are considering.

Very important thing-- I forgot to mention--I ALREADY own a different budget type mattress from Wayfair.com (Amazon also has it) called the Signature Sleep 12 Inch Memoir Foam which advertises itself as having 4" of 4lb memory foam on top, but I really have my doubts on this. Of course I only want to try these other budget mattresses if they perform better than the one I already have. If not then I realize I have NO choice but to save up and make a major purpose or do a payment plan or something. For the record, I tested some Tempurpedics etc and I do like them. I found the iComfort Savant at stores very comfortable.


You can see my thoughts about Signature Sleep in post #2 here . The only way to know how suitable any mattress will be for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) will be based on your own personal experience.

Would any of these mattress I listed feel similar to the Savant? Tempurpedic is pretty much ruled out by price point alone.


There is more about the different ways one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here . They certainly don't match in terms of their design or the quality of the materials and while the only way to know whether they will feel similar to another mattress to you would be based on your own personal experience ... I would guess that they don't since most of them have only relatively thin layers of memory foam.

Overall ... you are looking at some questionable and "high risk" online purchases with these types of "race to the bottom" mattresses IMO.

Some of the better online options that I'm aware of in lower budget ranges are listed in post #4 here .

As far as LOCAL is concerned, I looked up Beloit Mattresses and Appleton Sleep Shop. Beloit has more information online and they make a bed called the Solace . I wonder if that would sleep similar to an iComfort with a true memory foam feel.


Beloit is one of the members of this site which means that I think very highly of them and I believe they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency although they are a fair distance away from you and would be a fairly long drive. A forum search on Beloit (you can just click the link) will bring up more information and feedback about them as well

There are many iComfort mattresses but again ... the only way to know whether the Solace would feel similar to any one of them to you would be based on your own personal testing and experience.

Appleton Sleep Shop is one of the better "possibilities" in the Green Bay list here and would certainly be worth considering (subject to the guidelines that I linked earlier about the "value" of a mattress purchase).

They using something call g-felx memory foam I'm not even sure if that is a true memory foam or not?


Gflex is a gel memory foam made by Flexible Foam but the quality of any memory foam or polyfoam material depends on the density (see this article ).

Phoenix
04 Oct 2014 09:27
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Hi Wideawake,

Thanks again, Phoenix. I have narrowed it down to a couple of options. I am not sure how compare in the quality of the components.


You can see the quality/durability guidelines I would suggest in post #4 here and there is more detailed information about all the variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here .

SleepEZ:
Roma mattress which is on sale for $495,
or
6" latex mattress at $595 - SleepEZ seems to have a very straight forward return policy.


You can see some comments about it here but this is an all 100% natural latex mattress except for the cover which is quilted with a thin layer of polyfoam. It has a different firmness level on each side. Since it is all latex (except for a thin quilting layer) there are no weak links in the design.

Arizona Premium:
Twin Solid Core Latex Mattress $595
or
Twin Eco Sleep mattress $547


The solid core Latex mattress has 6" of blended Talalay latex and has a cotton cover quilted with wool. There are no weak links in this mattress either since latex is a very durable material.

They don't list the materials in the Eco Sleep Mattress so I don't know what is inside it.

Dreamfoam:
www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Freedom-C...UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
which has layers and tempts me because my parents won't be able to try out various mattresses prior to buying, and the $499 price is attractive


This is a component mattress that uses 3 layers of synthetic latex which is also a very durable material so there are no weak links in this mattress either. As you mentioned ... the layers can be rearranged inside the cover after a purchase to change the comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment of the mattress so in effect it is several mattresses in one (there are 12 possible combinations).

www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Bedding-Customi...UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
This has the same flexibility of the latex version and is only $289, I don't know whether anyone has had experience with their polyfoam.


They use 2 lb polyfoam which is also a high quality material so there are no weak links or lower quality materials in this mattress either. As you mentioned it has the same layering flexibility as the Freedom mattress but uses polyfoam instead of synthetic latex.

I looked at DixieFoam in New York, but the mattresses they offer in the price range did not seem to compare favorably with mattresses online from other areas.


They also use some very high quality and durable materials in their mattresses and none of their mattresses have any weak links either. (NOTE ADDED: They are now a member of this site as well)

Phoenix
04 Oct 2014 01:39
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Thanks again, Phoenix. I have narrowed it down to a couple of options. I am not sure how compare in the quality of the components.
SleepEZ:
Roma mattress which is on sale for $495,
or
6" latex mattress at $595 - SleepEZ seems to have a very straight forward return policy.

Arizona Premium:
Twin Solid Core Latex Mattress $595
or
Twin Eco Sleep mattress $547

Dreamfoam:
www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Freedom-Customizable-Latex/dp/B00MATQEI6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
which has layers and tempts me because my parents won't be able to try out various mattresses prior to buying, and the $499 price is attractive
or
www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Bedding-Customizable-Mattress-Twin/dp/B00JGBXWD6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
This has the same flexibility of the latex version and is only $289, I don't know whether anyone has had experience with their polyfoam.
I looked at DixieFoam in New York, but the mattresses they offer in the price range did not seem to compare favorably with mattresses online from other areas.

Thank you for your patience.
03 Oct 2014 20:29
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Hi Wideawake,

In terms of contacting sellers for information, I would like to try to stick with one in the NYC area.


If you are only considering manufacturers or retailers in the NYC area then post #2 here includes the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the area (although there are many online options outside of the NYC area that would also be well worth talking to that also have good return or exchange policies if you are open to a non NYC online purchase).

I am also considering latex, but is that a realistic option if I need to stay under $500 each for a twin mattress?


While your budget is on the low side for latex ... the posts I linked in my last reply that list some of the lower budget latex options I'm aware of do have a few options that would be in your budget range.

I am also thinking about the Casper mattress which seems to have pretty good return policies.


Casper is an "all or nothing" choice and would certainly be a better quality/value option than most of the mainstream choices that would be available to you and because they have a good return policy ... if it doesn't turn out to be a suitable choice for your parents based on their sleeping experience then there is little risk involved in trying them although only a twin (not a twin XL) would be in your budget range and this may be a little bit on the short side for your dad (he is only 5" shorter than the mattress).

If you follow the steps in the tutorial one at a time (without missing any) and narrow down your options with each of the retailers or manufacturers you are considering to a single mattress then it will be much easier to make a final choice between your finalists.

Phoenix
03 Oct 2014 20:00
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Thanks Phoenix. I have gone through the basics posts and the Amerisleep posts. I am also thinking about the Casper mattress which seems to have pretty good return policies. In terms of contacting sellers for information, I would like to try to stick with one in the NYC area. I am also considering latex, but is that a realistic option if I need to stay under $500 each for a twin mattress? Has anyone had good experience with a NY area distributor? Frankly, the more I read, the more confused I become.
26 Sep 2014 18:34
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Hi Wideawake,

I switched your post to a new topic of its own so that it will be easier for others that are considering Amerisleep to find it.

There is more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up more about them as well. While they are in a "better than average" value range compared to most mainstream choices ... there are also other options available that may be a better value choice.

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but the single most important part of a successful mattress purchase is PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict whether this would be a suitable choice for either of your parents based on specs (either theirs or the mattress) or "theory at a distance" so when the people sleeping on a mattress can't test a mattress in person I would always make sure that you have a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced online retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and is more interested in helping you make the most suitable choice than they are in selling you whatever you are willing to buy so that you have some confidence that a mattress is a suitable choice for their body type, sleeping style, and preferences. While I don't have any personal experience with this mattress ... it only has 3" of memory foam on a firmer support core and their description indicates that it would probably be most suitable for people who sleep on their stomach or back or prefer firmer mattresses and may not be as good a match for someone who sleeps on their side and needs more pressure relief.

With your parents' extra toppers it may be soft enough for their side sleeping but this will depend on the firmness of their 5 lb topper (5 lb memory foam is usually in a firmer range although this isn't always the case) and their own sleeping experience will be the only way to know this for certain. With 6" of memory foam there may also be more motion restriction than they would prefer (less ease of movement) because of the slower response nature of memory foam and there may also be some risk with alignment with memory foam comfort layers that are that thick as well (their hips/pelvis may sink down too far over the course of the night which can lead to lower back discomfort or pain). It may also be a little warmer than they would prefer.

In terms of the quality and durability of the materials ... the comfort layers and support core of the mattress are both good quality and there are no weak links in the mattress (see the guidelines here ).

Finally when you are making value comparisons between mattresses ... I would also be somewhat cautious because if the mattress isn't a good match for them then there may be significant expense involved in returning it because you would need to pay for return shipping which can be quite costly for a mattress that needs to be returned by common carrier.

The mattress shopping tutorial includes a link to some of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of that may also be worth including in your research and some of the better lower budget choices for an online purchase are listed in posts #3 and #4 here as well that can help you can make some meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. Again though ... I would make sure you are comfortable with the return or exchange policies and any costs involved just in case your choice doesn't turn out to be as suitable for your parents in terms of PPP as you hoped for and you end up needing to return it.

Phoenix
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