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Today 10:21
  • RichardTheSleepExpert
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Hey! I’m Richard the sleep expert from Mattress Firm in NY, I’m so sorry to hear about your back pain and the problems you have been having with your mattress. As a sleep expert at mattress firm who is an expert in things all sleep I would highly recommend a “Serta iseries hybrid 1000 mattress” it’s a hybrid with a two level cooling system that will keep you cool and offer superior support, also with are sale right now you’ll be eligible for a free heads up adjustable base that will help with that back pain. If interested please give me a call at 929-499-4405 to discuss I would love to help you!
Today 06:58
  • karlfromausbeds
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Hi Nikki, I'm the owner of ausbeds mentioned in this thread. I just stumbled upon this thread, perhaps a few months too late. I make the aurora in my factory in Sydney, and it's by far my best seller. I have read the mattress underground since I began in the mattress business 12 years ago.

It was reading these forums that drove me to create the mattress range that I have. One page that changed the way I do things was the springs page on your website. \


I used this page to develop my pocket springs, which was the biggest change in my business. I got into contact with the owner of Berkely ergonomics (who I think wrote the springs guide), and he was able to guide me in the right direction when I started making them myself. These honeycomb-type pocket springs reduced my returns to ridiculously low levels. Also, the ability to customize within the customer's home has helped immensely.

So thanks for the great website. Websites like this are what the internet was made for, real information to help people. I constantly have people ring me in different cities in Australia asking what to buy in their city. I made a page to help them. I tried to write it based on my experience. Here is the link! I’m not sure if you can put it somewhere to help Aussies looking for mattresses? It's a work in progress but the info is good.

Today 06:48
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi 8cp1.

We can't tell you what to buy, but we can tell you how to buy it :) Remember, any bed is unique to the sleepers using it, based on their stats(height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions, and their PPP(posture and alignment, pressure relief and personal preferences. You may want to take a look at the the Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the the Mattress Durability Guidelines to see how to examine specific components, and how different materials hold up over time.

Our bed has curved, very flexible slats, which have quite a lot of "give" to them. I have been told that a pure foam/latex mattress will tend to sag with this setup, and that it would be better to go with a hybrid mattress. Not sure if that's true, but certainly our current pure latex mattress feels like it's sagging (that may also be because it's nearly 10 years old).

If the space between slats is a little too wide, latex does have the tendency to sink into the spaces and give a saggy feel. A hybrid will likely give you a better experience.

You may wish to start with looking at SleepEZ , Nest Bedding and Arizona Premium as well as Flexus .

I hope this helps you get started.
Today 06:42
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi bobby2478.

So sorry to hear your mattress is already softening. The specifications they gave you are the bare minimum we would recommend in terms of durability for a medium framed person, so it's no surprise that under your larger build the foam are already breaking down. How disappointing that they choose to use less durable material.

Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to firm-up a too-soft mattress :( You can try putting it directly on the floor to see if that helps at all. Since the material is only just breaking down, it's possibly that the firm topper you've purchased will help in some regard but ultimately you may just sink the topper into the materials that are already too soft and it may not be the experience you want in terms of comfort and alignment.

Another option is always full DIY, but if I went that route are people able to buy their own zip mattress cover/sleeve to encase all the various layers in?

Absolutely. A number of our Trusted Members sell DIY materials including encasements.

Today 06:34
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi CacaoTruffle.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Sorry to hear you had a poor experience with Nest's customer service - they really do have an impeccable product. Unfortunately with inflation, the cost of materials is steadily on the rise across companies.

The Arizona Premium Naturalux may be a close fit. It's 8" and is $1395 for a queen.
The SleepEZ Roma is all latex and has a medium-plush side, 9" finished and under $1000 for a queen.

A DIY for an 9" mattress would be fairly reasonable. You could do 3 layers of 3" in a progression (bottom to top) of firm, medium, and soft. Arizona Premium can sell you those components separately as well :)

If others have had good luck with a certain similar mattress, I do hope they chime in.

Today 06:01
  • MFC
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Hi justwannafindmymattress,

I kept thinking if this is really such an issue, why do they keep using it?

These barrier fabrics are designed to meet government flammability standards. This is a perfectly legitimate practice. If not, the foam has to be sprayed with a chemical flamme retardant that in some cases can be more toxic than the fabric barrier. Furthermore some manufacturers don't want to set up a spray both and have to deal with all the regulations and safety issues of such a process.

Then I also started wondering if it's such a problem, why are only a handful of the hundreds of thousands of people that buy these mattresses having an issue with it?

As stated above, it's a cover issue and it should not be removed. It's best to buy a mattress protector than encloses the entire mattress and can be removed for cleaning purposes

Any suggestions for mattress protectors for a twin xl?

We suggest looking on Amazon, they have hundreds of models at affordable prices

All the best
Today 22:21
  • kettleman
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For the past couple months I've been trying out the SleepEZ hybrid mattress and I'm absolutely sold on latex instead of poly or memory foams because not once in this 2 month period have I woken up soaked in sweat... for the most part. With the mattress I received a free, standard size, shredded latex pillow. I love the pillow and how it can be shaped however you want it. The problem is I wake up about every other night and the pillow will be soaked where my head/neck were. My body/mattress will be bone dry, for some strange reason it is only my head and neck. I can't recall ever having this happen previously. In the past if I woke up and my pillow was soaked, that would mean the mattress was too, but somehow that's not the case. Has anyone ever had this where only their head/neck sweat? Thank you for any help.

Today 17:58
  • Hantra
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Can you share your recommendation for this person? I am in an identical boat.
Yesterday 15:48
  • Sweet Dreams
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Idle Sleep made a lot of very attractive offers, bought up several competitive companies in rapid succession and then went out of business and disappeared from the market. Idle Sleep had the same owner who previously started Nectar Sleep. Customers of Idle Sleep and the companies they purchased were left without any path to address issues with their products or the possibility of making a warranty claim.
Yesterday 15:08
  • justwannafindmymattress
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I was aware that the foam itself is free of fiberglass. My worry was regarding the barrier. If that's relatively normal and safe if contained within a mattress protector, I may give the nectar premier a fair shot.

I just wish they were more transparent about the fact that you shouldn't unzip the cover of the mattress. When I looked on their site last week, it seemed to be indicating that you could unzip it and wash the cover of the mattress ever experienced a spill.

What attracted me to nectar was the 365 night trial and the "lifetime" warranty. I find that a lot of people that seem to know what they're talking about when it comes to mattresses say to avoid nectar. I wish I saw that before making my purchase.

I did find some peace of mind with the fact that the sock contains fiberglass elements thanks to your reply. I kept thinking if this is really such an issue, why do they keep using it? Then I also started wondering if it's such a problem, why are only a handful of the hundreds of thousands of people that buy these mattresses having an issue with it?

The issue must be contained relatively well with the cover in place and not ripped. That now leads me to doing research on mattress protectors. I want a cover that would be waterproof and envelop the entire mattress. I ordered two twin xls to make a split king.

Any suggestions for mattress protectors for a twin xl?

Thank you so much for putting my mind more at ease about the fiberglass issue!
Yesterday 12:03
  • MFC
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Hi justwannafindmymattress,

Certi-PUR-US polyurethane foam states that
There would not be fiberglass in the certified foam used for mattresses, pillows, or upholstered furniture. However, some mattress manufacturers surround a mattress’s foam core with barrier fabrics made from fiberglass to help meet government standards for mattress flammability. A mattress zipper is usually there for easy assembly at the factory and not for the customer to use. For that reason, never remove the cover of your mattress, even if it has a zipper, unless the mattress cover is specifically intended to be removed for laundering. Consult the manufacturer’s website or call their customer service department before you zip off your mattress cover. The best way to protect your mattress from getting soiled is to use a mattress pad or mattress protector on top of the mattress. These products will not diminish the feel or comfort of your mattress but will help keep it clean. Many of these products have waterproof features, and some protectors that cover all sides of your product have the added benefit of deterring bedbugs.

Here's more information about fiberglass in the mattress covers
Reading this blog could save you a ton of time and aggravation. In just the past year or two, consumers have been asking us a question that has also received increased media attention. It has to do with fiberglass. To be absolutely clear, foam manufacturers do not use fiberglass to make the types of foam we certify through the CertiPUR-US® program.

But sometimes there may be fiberglass in your mattress cover or in a fabric “sock” that is pulled over the foam core before the cover is put on — in what is referred to as a barrier fabric. These barrier fabrics are designed to meet government flammability standards. This is a perfectly legitimate practice. But it is important the fiberglass stays safely contained inside the mattress.

For that reason, do not remove the cover of a mattress without first reading product care instructions carefully, consulting the manufacturer’s website or calling their customer service department. Do not take any chances.

Of course, some mattresses are designed with a cover that can be removed without creating a problem, but just because you see a zipper, do not assume the cover is removable.

Sometimes the zipper is there only for easy assembly at the factory and not for the consumer to use. In these cases, unzipping the cover could be like opening Pandora’s Box. You could release glass fibers into the air or onto you, which is not going to be fun (or even possible) to clean up or put back.

That’s why it’s a good idea to purchase a separate mattress pad or protector to keep on top of your mattress to protect the surface from spills and stains. Many mattress protectors have waterproof features, and some protectors that cover all sides of your product have the added benefit of deterring bedbugs (a topic for another day!). These bedding accessories can be easily removed for washing.

OK, enough said. I will zip it right here!

I hope this helps you find the mattress that's right for you and your family.

All the best!
Yesterday 09:09
  • Mattrebuild
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I figured I'd throw an update on this since I haven't posted much in a bit but overall this DIY mattress has been the most comfortable I've ever slept on!!! It has actually gotten better with time instead of worse as store bought mattresses often did as they broke in. I now have zero shoulder, hip or back pain anymore and I haven't had to make any more adjustments to either the latex layers or the airbed setitngs since my last post. I've been using the Purple mattress cover on the latex layers and it works great while the flobeds bottom portion of the cover is used only on the airbed part. It took me a little bit to figure out how to make the bed so the airbed base didn't show from under the duvet, but I finally figured out the technique and now all is good. This story is quite the saga when you read it from the beginning but hopefully I can save others some headache and money from some of the mistakes and lessons I learned along the way.
Yesterday 08:57
  • Mattrebuild
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Hello! Long-time reader, first time poster here on the forum. Thanks so much for all of the great info you share!

I'm currently sleeping on a fairly comfy DIY mattress. But, after several months of sleeping on it, I've become concerned that I'm not getting sufficient spinal support.

I'm a combo sleeper (side, stomach, and back). I'm 5'3" and weigh about 135-140lbs. And, I'm curvy; so contouring support is a big deal for me.

But, I'm waking up to SI joint pain. This is by far the "cushiest" mattress I've ever slept on. So, I suspect I'm sinking into the mattress too much, putting strain on my lower back.

My current stack is:
1" 4.5lb memory foam
2" soft talalay latex (19 ild)
3" medium dunlop latex (25-32 ild)
3" firm dunlop latex (33-39 ild)

After doing some research, I think I need a firmer support layer than the medium dunlop I currently have. But, I tried swapping the medium dunlop for a firm dunlop support layer and it was much too firm for me.

I'm wondering if an extra firm talalay layer (36 ild) would be a good "Goldilocks" compromise between the medium dunlop layer that's too soft and the firm dunlop layer that was too firm.

Option 1:
1" memory foam
2" soft talalay (19 ild)
3" extra firm talalay (36 ild)
3" firm dunlop (33-39 ild)

But, I know that talalay allows for more compression. So would swapping from dunlop to talalay in the middle layer leave me sinking into the mattress too far anyway?

Would it be better to keep the medium dunlop support layer and replace the soft talalay comfort layer with a medium talalay comfort layer?

Option 2"
1" memory foam
2" medium talalay (28 ild)
3" medium dunlop (25-32 ild)
3" firm dunlop (33-39 ild)

For providing more spinal support, without sacrificing the squish I need for side sleeping, which of these options makes more sense?

Thanks in advance!

I highligted the part above which is likely why your current design isn't working. Curvy people (myself included) need to have both good contouring and support. The problem is that often we need individual layers to do more than they are capable of and when they can't the end result is either misalignment or pressure points. You will get some additional travel by switching the dunlop to talalay but the issue is you may end up realizing it's still not enough and now you're out that money. The better way to combat this is through zoning (with talalay). I'd suggest trying a Flobeds v-zone layer in your stack, it's not cheap but when you have a hard to fit body type you need to be open to more elaborate solutions.

Suggested stack:
1" 4.5lb memory foam
2" soft talalay latex (19 ild)
3" Flobed V-zone layer (Soft)
3" medium dunlop latex (28 ild) - you may or may not need this layer, try both with and without it to see what's most comfortable for you
3" firm dunlop latex (36 ild)

Yesterday 08:40
  • Mattrebuild
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Due to a torn rotator cuff, I need a soft support layer to reduce the amount my arm falls asleep. However, if that layer is too soft I get pain via my hips sinking through. Has anyone ever experienced creating a hybrid/split comfort layer?

I'm thinking I might benefit from having a 1/3 // 2/3 split - softer for my shoulders, firmer at the hips. I would be willing to buy two individual layers and cut them to size. But I am wondering if this is a terrible idea -- either because of having two materials instead of one (I would glue together if it makes a difference), or potentially really messing up my alignment. My other thought would be to simply add an extra bit of soft foam under the shoulder area, but would then increase the angle at which I'm sleeping.

Yes, this would work well and that's basically what many of the zoned mattress options are doing (Flobeds being one of the most configurable). Make sure to cut the layer just where your armpit would be to ensure you provide maximum support in the chest area and this allows you to take pressure off the shoulder which helps for your injury. You may need to experiment with what firmnesses you like best but overall it will work fine. You might also try the Flobeds convoluted topper on top as that adds extra contouring for shoulders/hips which could be beneficial in this case.
Yesterday 08:30
  • Mattrebuild
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Due to the rather drastic differneces in BMI between you and your wife I think a DIY mattress with split layers would be a really good idea in this case. I would be hesitsant to destroy your current mattress as I went down that same path early on and ended up not using anything from my old mattress (it wasn't a Beautyrest Black, that may have slightly better components). Your BMI is going to need a fairly stiff base support layer to ensure you have proper alignment then additional comfort layers as needed. Something to think about anyway.
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