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26 Jun 2022 08:31
  • Laichee
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Hi, thanks for the response! Since my previous posting, I've purchased a Casper Nova Hybrid from SleepCountry. They'll negotiate down to roughly $1100-1600 if you call around and ask for floor models - it has definitely been an improvement so far but I'm still negotiating some back pain/ trap soreness; unsure if it's residual pain from the Douglas. I might end up purchasing a Silk & Snow memory foam to test what the "softest of the soft" would feel like for me.
I've also purchased a Buckwheat Hull pillow, might recommend that. Good to hear you're starting on a DIY build.
26 Jun 2022 08:25
  • SleepyChrister
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Hey Laichee,

Sorry for the delay, work picked up this week so I haven't had as much time to test.

The 2" Dunlop 20 ILD topper from MFC came early this week and I put it on the Douglas for a few nights. The good thing is that my shoulder/trap soreness is gone, as is some middle back discomfort, and my neck pain.

But the problem is that the 2" of soft Dunlop on top of the 4" of soft foam of the Douglas still lets my hips sink in too much, which causes dull leg pain throughout the day. Almost like an overextension pain you'd get from exercising with bad form, from my butt down past my knees. Whatever the dominant side I sleep on is, the pain is most noticeable.

So I don't think this is a good solution. I plan to return my Douglas since I'm still in the sleep trial period and start my DIY instead.

It seems the Douglas with it's 4" of very soft foam seems to limit the potential of a topper addition for people in our situation.

Hopefully this helps a bit and I can update once I've got my DIY situation figured out in case that's any help to you
16 Jun 2022 17:15
  • Laichee
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I'm not even sure if what I'm referencing is the comfort vs. support layer being too firm... I have a gut feeling when I physically evaluate I'm typically only judging the softness of the comfort layer. I don't know if you have any input about this but I was at a place with a Casper Nova Hybrid today for 30% off and I loved the mattress, but no returns are allowed. How's the composition of the Nova Hybrid in your opinion long-term?
16 Jun 2022 17:10
  • Laichee
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Whoa we're going through the exact same things right now. Similar height, weight, sleeping habits and issues, and being in Canada trying to navigate the crap mattress industry.

The Douglas definitely doesn't work for us because the top layers are ultrasoft and pretty low-quality mem foam, and then just 32 ILD poly, so we go right through the soft comfort layers and rest on the firm support. And because the memory foam is so soft, it also gives no lower back support or anything. I also found that out the hard way.

I'm currently in the early stages of experimenting but I'll definitely report on what I find in case it helps you. I know how frustrating it is.

I do still have the Douglas, and the 20 ILD Organic Dunlop 2" topper from MFC should be here on Friday. I'll put it on the Douglas first and see if it helps with the issues we're both having. It might not, because it's basically like adding another 2" of softness on top of 4" of already soft layers, so support might be an issue, but takes nothing for me to try so you have an idea.

If you can't return the Douglas, I wonder if you could strip the top 4" of their soft mem foam and just use the 32 ILD 6" support core as a base, then add something more suitable to your body type/sleeping positions in terms of comfort layers. You'd already have the cover for 10" so that's some cost savings. Maybe someone else could chime in about that; I'm also still learning.


Thanks for that! Not sure if this is helpful but I experimented with one of Dormio's softest latex mattresses today and that was a no-go for me after much internal debate. It's ultimately still too firm and I feel like latex as a material doesn't have enough "give" for my taste.
15 Jun 2022 13:04
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Laichee.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

I suspect the issue involves BOTH the mattresses' (IKEA and Douglas) support and core layers being too firm


Are you also feeling that the comfort layer is too firm? If the mattress is too firm, it's not impossible to remedy with a topper. However, if you're facing sort of a too-soft comfort layer with too-firm other layers...that's a little more problematic.

I've also read parts of the Mattress Selection guide but don't know how to address my lack of trust in my in-person testing experience.


This is where a 100 night sleep policy can be useful, or purchasing from a place with a rock solid return policy (like Costco). Are you looking to stay away from any materials in specific, or not so much?

NikkiTMU
13 Jun 2022 20:23
  • SleepyChrister
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Whoa we're going through the exact same things right now. Similar height, weight, sleeping habits and issues, and being in Canada trying to navigate the crap mattress industry.

The Douglas definitely doesn't work for us because the top layers are ultrasoft and pretty low-quality mem foam, and then just 32 ILD poly, so we go right through the soft comfort layers and rest on the firm support. And because the memory foam is so soft, it also gives no lower back support or anything. I also found that out the hard way.

I'm currently in the early stages of experimenting but I'll definitely report on what I find in case it helps you. I know how frustrating it is.

I do still have the Douglas, and the 20 ILD Organic Dunlop 2" topper from MFC should be here on Friday. I'll put it on the Douglas first and see if it helps with the issues we're both having. It might not, because it's basically like adding another 2" of softness on top of 4" of already soft layers, so support might be an issue, but takes nothing for me to try so you have an idea.

If you can't return the Douglas, I wonder if you could strip the top 4" of their soft mem foam and just use the 32 ILD 6" support core as a base, then add something more suitable to your body type/sleeping positions in terms of comfort layers. You'd already have the cover for 10" so that's some cost savings. Maybe someone else could chime in about that; I'm also still learning.
13 Jun 2022 18:58
  • Laichee
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Hi TMU, I'm a 5"10 155-165 lbs~ side sleeper. Since moving into my new apartment in February, I've purchased first the IKEA Haugesund mattress and then the standard Douglas mattress - both have proven to be some of the worst mattress decisions I've ever made in retrospect.

Some of my "symptoms:"
- I wake up with intense shoulder/trap soreness and find the middle back also pains me albeit to a lesser extent.
- Despite being a predominant side sleeper and (on the rare occasion) back sleeper, I've found myself waking up to a stomach sleeping position, which has never happened prior to getting the Douglas.
- Attached IMAGE of how I sleep on the Douglas.

What I've tried:
- Tempurpedic Adapt Teal (And what I believe are the Align Soft and Pro-Align Medium) > Bloom Air > Bloom Cloud > Bloom Mist > Kingsdown Hewitt
- Despite heading over to Sleep Country and The Bay the trials weren't really helpful as I don't trust my subjective feel of the mattress. I knew how to generally rank the list above, but it felt like I was doing it haphazardly without any objective measures for how it'd feel 90, 180 days out... i.e. the IKEA felt ok at first but turned out to be a monster of a sleepwrecker.

I suspect the issue involves BOTH the mattresses' (IKEA and Douglas) support and core layers being too firm, so I've been looking at soft mattresses like Silk & Snow and Novosbed Soft.I've considered MFC but couldn't get past the lack of a return policy and their physical location is in British Columbia so I couldn't test anything out. I've also read parts of the Mattress Selection guide but don't know how to address my lack of trust in my in-person testing experience.

I've considered MFC but couldn't get past the lack of a return policy and their physical location is in British Columbia so I couldn't test anything out.

I would really appreciate any recommendations here and advice. Thank you in advance.
25 Apr 2022 09:08
  • Shads
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Hi Shads.
Welcome to The Mattress Underground :)

After an exhaustive search that included taking notes from this website and taking them with me to mattress stores, I've decided to go for the transparency of bed-in-a-box. However, I'm having trouble deciding between the Novosbed medium firm and the Silk & Snow hybrid. I'm a side sleeper with a 19 BMI (about 140 lbs). Any advice on whether the price jump to the Novosbed makes sense in my case? Thanks so much.

It’s always a good sign when starting with the mattress specifications you need to know and comparing them to the Mattress Durability Guidelines , in parallel with the Mattress Shopping Tutorial . From your two mattress finalists, it looks like you prefer a memory foam feel (many people do) for your mattress. NovosBed is an all-foam mattress that comes in 3 firmness choices. You state that you narrowed it down to “Novosbed medium-firm” but they have either in firm or in medium unless you go for their “Comfort+ firmness adjustment kit.”

As for “price jump making sense”, while the price is certainly important of course ... the "value" of a mattress purchase is what is most important and the price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "make sense" the value of a mattress because this assessment is very personal as there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value".
I’d read a bit about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Here are a few additional thoughts that might be helpful in your decision.
Novosbed's website is missing the foam density and layer thickness information needed to allow meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of quality and durability. In 2018 they changed their specs as you can see in this post here Their recommendation for a side sleeper is soft comfort option but it looks like you prefer either medium or firm so I’ll list here the specs for their 2018 reworked medium version. You’d need to confirm that thes specs are still valid.
1" - 1.95 lb / 9 IFD - 5th generation premium airflow foam
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
2" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
7" - 1.75 lb / 32 IFD - Premium support foam
At your BMI these specs would not raise any red flags in terms of durability.

However, as the supply chain disruptions during the last couple of years forced some companies to replace certain materials, I’d ask Novo directly and would try to find if there were any changes to their materials.
Assuming that the mattress is a good match for you when you receive it, you won’t be able to tell much about the mattress's durability during the 120 in-home trial so I’d make sure to find out exactly what is in the mattress.

Silk and Snow lists most of the specs with their “Transparency at every step” but again there are some “info-gaps” that would be good to cover. At a first glance, there are no red flags at your BMI except perhaps the perimeter edge (depending on its density)
(12”) Silk & Snow Hybrid mattress
-?” quilted foam layer (antimicrobial cover)
-2” at 4lb/cuft HD Memory foam (from Vitafoam, Toronto, ON)
-?” 1200 count pocket coils (Sourced from Salwan Family in Toronto, ON)
- edge support (missing density)


Let us know if you manage to find out any of the missing information and of your eventual decisions and any additional questions
Phoenix


I've spoken with both companies and would like to provide the following updated information so that others may benefit:

Novosbed: confirmed the specs you provided are still accurate.

1" - 1.95 lb / 9 IFD - 5th generation premium airflow foam
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
2" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
7" - 1.75 lb / 32 IFD - Premium support foam

Silk & Snow provided the following specs for the hybrid:

Coils
Twin - 600 pocket coils
Twin XL – 621 pocket coils
Double - 800 pocket coils
Queen - 1000 pocket coils
King - 1200 pocket coils
California King – 1204 pocket coils

Coil Gauge
Outer Thirds - 14.5
Middle Third - 13.5

Zoned Lumbar Support
The middle zone (middle third) of the mattress uses thicker coils. This guarantees reliable and balanced support. Sink in just enough in just the right areas, with extra support under the hips and slightly softer coils under the shoulder.

Mattress Construction
Cover
Polyester/Spandex/Antimicrobial Cover

Top Layers
1" Luxury quilted cooling gel foam and hollow fibre that helps keep you perfectly cool
2" Gel memory foam that provides superior relief for pressure points

Edge support
Same density as in the middle.
25 Apr 2022 07:57
  • Shads
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Hi Shads.
Welcome to The Mattress Underground :)

After an exhaustive search that included taking notes from this website and taking them with me to mattress stores, I've decided to go for the transparency of bed-in-a-box. However, I'm having trouble deciding between the Novosbed medium firm and the Silk & Snow hybrid. I'm a side sleeper with a 19 BMI (about 140 lbs). Any advice on whether the price jump to the Novosbed makes sense in my case? Thanks so much.

It’s always a good sign when starting with the mattress specifications you need to know and comparing them to the Mattress Durability Guidelines , in parallel with the Mattress Shopping Tutorial . From your two mattress finalists, it looks like you prefer a memory foam feel (many people do) for your mattress. NovosBed is an all-foam mattress that comes in 3 firmness choices. You state that you narrowed it down to “Novosbed medium-firm” but they have either in firm or in medium unless you go for their “Comfort+ firmness adjustment kit.”

As for “price jump making sense”, while the price is certainly important of course ... the "value" of a mattress purchase is what is most important and the price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "make sense" the value of a mattress because this assessment is very personal as there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value".
I’d read a bit about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Here are a few additional thoughts that might be helpful in your decision.
Novosbed's website is missing the foam density and layer thickness information needed to allow meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of quality and durability. In 2018 they changed their specs as you can see in this post here Their recommendation for a side sleeper is soft comfort option but it looks like you prefer either medium or firm so I’ll list here the specs for their 2018 reworked medium version. You’d need to confirm that thes specs are still valid.
1" - 1.95 lb / 9 IFD - 5th generation premium airflow foam
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
2" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
7" - 1.75 lb / 32 IFD - Premium support foam
At your BMI these specs would not raise any red flags in terms of durability.

However, as the supply chain disruptions during the last couple of years forced some companies to replace certain materials, I’d ask Novo directly and would try to find if there were any changes to their materials.
Assuming that the mattress is a good match for you when you receive it, you won’t be able to tell much about the mattress's durability during the 120 in-home trial so I’d make sure to find out exactly what is in the mattress.

Silk and Snow lists most of the specs with their “Transparency at every step” but again there are some “info-gaps” that would be good to cover. At a first glance, there are no red flags at your BMI except perhaps the perimeter edge (depending on its density)
(12”) Silk & Snow Hybrid mattress
-?” quilted foam layer (antimicrobial cover)
-2” at 4lb/cuft HD Memory foam (from Vitafoam, Toronto, ON)
-?” 1200 count pocket coils (Sourced from Salwan Family in Toronto, ON)
- edge support (missing density)


Let us know if you manage to find out any of the missing information and of your eventual decisions and any additional questions
Phoenix


Hi Phoenix, this is fantastic and I really appreciate you taking the time to write that out for me! As far as the price jump making sense for me, I was referring to whether the quality of the materials/expected durability is significantly improved on the Novosbed relative to the Silk & Snow to justify a several hundred dollar difference. Thanks for identifying those gaps in material specifications - I'll inquire with both companies. Regarding "medium firm" I misspoke and caused some confusion: I meant "medium" on the soft to firm continuum. I'll try to acquire that missing information and see if it helps clarify the decision.
24 Apr 2022 00:15
  • phoenix
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Hi Shads.
Welcome to The Mattress Underground :)

After an exhaustive search that included taking notes from this website and taking them with me to mattress stores, I've decided to go for the transparency of bed-in-a-box. However, I'm having trouble deciding between the Novosbed medium firm and the Silk & Snow hybrid. I'm a side sleeper with a 19 BMI (about 140 lbs). Any advice on whether the price jump to the Novosbed makes sense in my case? Thanks so much.

It’s always a good sign when starting with the mattress specifications you need to know and comparing them to the Mattress Durability Guidelines , in parallel with the Mattress Shopping Tutorial . From your two mattress finalists, it looks like you prefer a memory foam feel (many people do) for your mattress. NovosBed is an all-foam mattress that comes in 3 firmness choices. You state that you narrowed it down to “Novosbed medium-firm” but they have either in firm or in medium unless you go for their “Comfort+ firmness adjustment kit.”

As for “price jump making sense”, while the price is certainly important of course ... the "value" of a mattress purchase is what is most important and the price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "make sense" the value of a mattress because this assessment is very personal as there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value".
I’d read a bit about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Here are a few additional thoughts that might be helpful in your decision.
Novosbed's website is missing the foam density and layer thickness information needed to allow meaningful comparisons between mattresses in terms of quality and durability. In 2018 they changed their specs as you can see in this post here Their recommendation for a side sleeper is soft comfort option but it looks like you prefer either medium or firm so I’ll list here the specs for their 2018 reworked medium version. You’d need to confirm that thes specs are still valid.
1" - 1.95 lb / 9 IFD - 5th generation premium airflow foam
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
2" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-Generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam
7" - 1.75 lb / 32 IFD - Premium support foam
At your BMI these specs would not raise any red flags in terms of durability.

However, as the supply chain disruptions during the last couple of years forced some companies to replace certain materials, I’d ask Novo directly and would try to find if there were any changes to their materials.
Assuming that the mattress is a good match for you when you receive it, you won’t be able to tell much about the mattress's durability during the 120 in-home trial so I’d make sure to find out exactly what is in the mattress.

Silk and Snow lists most of the specs with their “Transparency at every step” but again there are some “info-gaps” that would be good to cover. At a first glance, there are no red flags at your BMI except perhaps the perimeter edge (depending on its density)
(12”) Silk & Snow Hybrid mattress
-?” quilted foam layer (antimicrobial cover)
-2” at 4lb/cuft HD Memory foam (from Vitafoam, Toronto, ON)
-?” 1200 count pocket coils (Sourced from Salwan Family in Toronto, ON)
- edge support (missing density)


Let us know if you manage to find out any of the missing information and of your eventual decisions and any additional questions
Phoenix
15 Apr 2022 22:21
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Hi JMD5.

. Both of us really like the feel of springs with a good comfort layer to conform to curves/relieve pressure. My husband just wants to buy The Fairmont Bed (sold by Fairmont Hotels, made by Sealy), but I'm not convinced it will last long and even when I asked for specific info on material, it wasn't enough detail.

Your intuition serves you well. “Hotel mattresses” tend to be lower quality and value than the consumer mattresses made by the same manufacturer in the same price range and more basic versions of the retail products that many mattress companies offer (which isn’t a good thing). One of the "secrets" to many hotel mattresses is that they usually use a bedding package that includes a mattress pad or topper that is a big part of how the mattress feels and can also add to the durability of the mattress (replacing a mattress pad or topper can be less costly than replacing a whole mattress because a mattress or sleeping system will usually soften or break down from the top-down). In many cases, the more subjective short-term experience of sleeping at a hotel is an improvement over the mattress that people sleep on regularly and this often "translates" into the perception that hotel mattresses are better than they are. They are a frequent source of buyer's remorse. They tend to be firmer products using softer “top-of-bed” materials to create extra plushness. There’s more good information about hotel mattresses in post #3 here .

. I was considering trying the Ghostbed Flex (what they recommended as well), but I know the foam is 4lb, and what I've read here is >5lb is recommended for our size.

I agree that for your BMI I would not consider any mattress with more than one inch or so of lower than 5lbs/cuft density.

. I've also considered trying to find a good solid innerspring and get a separate topper that we can change out as needed... But I haven't seen just an innerspring anywhere (they all seem to have pillowtop) and I'm not sure about which manufactures would have strong coils for extra weight. Any recommendations there?
Then of course we'd need to find a topper we like...

This sounds like a good plan but I’d recommend doing this under the guidance of a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer or retailer.

Below is a listing of Canadian and US manufacturers/retailers who are trusted member manufacturers/ retailers of the TMU that offer DIY mattresses and ship across Canada who you may wish to consider. They are very seasoned in providing good guidance over the phone and fitting their customers with a suitable product in terms of comfort/support needs. You may want to consider giving a call to expert trusted member MFC , I know that @Mario would be happy to help with any questions you may have of their products.
Arizona Premium Mattress : Phoenix AZ-based manufacturer offers hybrid and latex mattresses, latex mattress toppers, via standard UPS ground shipping to Canada including Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and more.
CBH Wood Furniture: Canadian manufacturer of All-Natural beds. Would be a good lead if you are considering an all-latex bed.
Dormio : Canadian Manufacturer specializing in organic/natural latex mattresses with options that fit all budget ranges.
MFC : Canadian online retailer with a very good selection of latex mattresses and hybrids
You can also browse our TMU Trusted Members as there are some US-based companies that provide products to the Canadian market but you'd need to call and check
While not a member you may want to try SnugSleep : which has a factory and showroom in North Vancouver, Canada carrying natural latex mattress products.

. Neither of us have tried latex, but I think we need to. I'll have to figure out if there are any retailers locally that have a showroom with latex options. It looks like Costco has a Sealy Posturpedic mattress with latex - I know, stay away from Sealy... But Costco is also quite tempting because the customer service is so fabulous.

While customer service and easy returns are quite “tempting” this 14” mattress is an all-foam combo with only a 2” maximum of latex. The remainder of 12” foams within the mattress will have an effect on how the mattress will feel to you and the durability of the mattress and how long you’ll sleep well on it. Additionally, all of the layers of foam work together in a completed mattress and it would be difficult to tell how “latex” will feel to you. Latex is a good and durable material but you’d still need to find the mattress specifications you need to know to compare them to the mattress durability guidelines here for your specific BMIs.

I came across a few references including this one which shows Brighthaven which is almost identical to Oak
(13 ¾ “) Sealy Posturepedic Natural Origins Oak Crest ~ Foam Combo (Tight Top)
Support ~ 8” Polyurethane (1.45 lbs/cuft)
Comfort ~ “Targeted ComfortSense Memory Foam - 2.5 LB + 2" BioGel Latex - 3.75 LB + 3 1/2" Gel HDM - 1.35 LB” according to National Mattress as shown in the screenshot below.
Cover ~ Bamboo infused organic cotton ¬+ Silk & Wool fiber


Even with Costco’s easy returns, the best you’ll probably accomplish is to buy yourself more time while searching for a quality mattress that meets your needs and preferences.

Hopefully, you find some of these resources useful.
Phoenix
20 Feb 2022 21:36
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H MisterDerp,

Thanks so much for the response Phoenix. Are you aware of any of the companies in Toronto able to advise me?


I do know of a number of stores providing good quality mattresses in and around Toronto; you already mentioned you are planning on visiting one of our Trusted members who are highly regarded by our subscribers, Dormio Organic Beds but as you say their organic lines, they are not inexpensive. They do have however lower budget range lineups that you may want to look at. Another Trusted Member, CBH Wood Furniture offers a very good quality/value bed system with a flippable (dual-comfort) mattress and a sleeping system that is innovative, unique, and robust that is worth checking out. They have a showroom in Toronto called Swiss Dream Beds. Also, our Trusted member Ghostbeds has a partnership with and is selling beds through Costco Canada. A few other Toronto options you may be interested in which have quality materials and products:

Factory Direct Manufacturers: non TMU members
• If you want to look at poly and memory foam options BB Bedding Manufacturers St Clair Ave West, 23 Westmore Drive Unit #4 Rexdale, ON M9V 3Y7 416-747-0968 - Factory direct manufacturer in Rexdale. He has about 25 mattresses on the floor and can custom-build most mattresses. Uses Carpenter memory foam normally 4 lbs but can order higher density on request.
Factory Mattress 1650 Bayly Street, Pickering ON 905-837-0288-Factory direct manufacturer in Pickering, ON. They carry a range of mattresses including innerspring, latex, memory foam, and polyfoam that use high-quality materials. Some of them are manufactured by themselves but they also carry some additional manufacturers such as Dreamstar and Easy Rest that would also be worth considering. A mom-and-pop manufacturer who is doing things right.
A1 Quality Furniture 30-12612 Highway 50, Bolton ON 905-857-7899-Factory direct manufacturer in Bolton. Used to be Flexopedic Mattress owned by two brothers, using quality materials. One of the brothers has retired and one is still involved with the new business which has the same phone number and they are still making similar mattresses using latex, memory foam, coils, and custom sizes.
Foamite Industries 1000Edgely Blvd Concord ON 905-66-0477- Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. Makes a range of latex, memory foam, and hybrid mattresses.
Springmade Mattress Inc. 110 Norfinch Drive Unit 7 North York ON 416-736-9003 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. Has been making mattresses for 15 years and uses quality materials. He will also custom manufacture. Has access to any foam or density a customer may wish. See this thread for more feedback about them.
Fantastic Sleep Shop 268 Rutherford Rd, South Brampton ON 905-455-0085 - Factory direct manufacturer in Brampton. Talked with Frank the owner and he can custom build any type of mattress but focuses on more economical models in the store due to the economy in the area. Good people.
Ideal Mattress 5015 Maingate Drive Units 34-37 Mississaugua ON 905-624-2614 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto and Mississauga. Talked with Kristina who with her brother is the owner and she clearly is knowledgeable about mattress materials and manufacturing and uses good quality materials. They also carry Kingsdown but I would tend to focus on the mattresses they manufacture unless you have a compelling reason to choose a Kingsdown. Uses a zip cover so customers can see what is in their mattress. There are some good quality options here and we had a good conversation although there has been some occasional feedback on the forum that they were "downplaying" or steering some customers away from some of their lower budget mattresses that may also be good quality/value
Quality Mattress Factory 2700 Unit 2 Toronto ON 416-760-7007 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. They make traditional innerspring/polyfoam mattresses using a range of foam quality but mostly higher density 1.8 lb and higher. will disclose the foam densities for anyone who asks.
Dreamtime Bedding 116 Milvan Dr North York ON 416-741-2337 - Manufacturer in North York. They are mostly wholesale but have a showroom at the factory and will sell direct to consumers as well. They make a full range of mattresses including innerspring, memory foam, and latex and will disclose and help educate their customers about the quality of all the materials in their mattresses.

Retailers:
Soma Sleep 100 Bridgeland Ave Unit C Toronto ON 416-789-2337
Retail outlet in Toronto. Knowledgeable and they carry a wide range of mattresses made by many
independent manufacturers including Natura, Greensleep, Springwall, SleepTek, Savvy Rest,
Magniflex, Tempurpedic, and Hypnos which are all high quality but make sure you make some careful
"value" comparisons as many of these tend towards premium prices.

Ton Furniture 647-839-5672 - Retail Direct outlet in Toronto. Works closely with Dreamstar (a wholesale manufacturer in Toronto) and knows his stuff. Is focused on quality and value and can also arrange to have a mattress custom built. Normally sells online only but will make an appointment to visit his warehouse with 2 hours notice. Sells latex, memory foam, and traditional poly and innersprings. There are some good comments about them in post #6 here

Wholesale Manufacturers: non TMU members
These don't sell factory direct but through retail stores but are smaller manufacturers and are made in Toronto and will often have better quality/value than other larger alternatives (depending on the retailer). A call to each of these (or a retail locator on their site) will give you a list of the retailers near you that carry them. Local manufacturers like these will typically be much more open about providing the specs of the materials they use to their retailers.
www.dreameasy.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto connected with Foamco. I had a long conversation with Arun there and they are doing things right and focused on quality and value and not giving into the pressures to use lower quality foams.
www.dreamstarbedding.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto. They make a complete range of mattresses including latex, innersprings, memory foam, and hybrids that are good quality and can have good value.
• Endless Comfort . Wholesale manufacturer in Woodbridge, ON. Makes a range of mostly innerspring and memory foam/innerspring hybrids and makes some of the house brands that are seen around Toronto.
• galaxybedding.ca/ Wholesale manufacturer in Etobicoke, ON that, makes a range of innerspring, memory foam, and latex hybrids and may have some better quality/value as well.
www.marshallmattress.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto, ON. they are the manufacturer that "marshall coils" (pocket coils) were named after and they make a range of high-quality mattresses.
• sleepinnmattress.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Etobicoke, ON. they make a full range of mattresses including latex, innersprings, and memory foam.
There are also quite a few other manufacturers most of which don't have websites and who I haven't talked to so I'm not including them because the GTA is notorious for opportunistic manufacturers who are here one day and gone the next and use questionable materials and sources. There certainly is a wide variety of good choices here

I'm a relatively standard BMI, 22, but have had some lower back issues. Specifically disc herniation in my lumbar. this is why I have tended towards the beauty rest which according to the sales material has better support for lower back. Whether or not this is just lies I don't know!


You did not mention your sleeping position(s), but thanks for including your other stats… lower back issues can be indicative of spinal misalignment and lack of proper support; however because of disc herniation you may need extra attention to proper alignment – you may want to work hand-in-hand with your healthcare provider to ensure proper alignment. As you do have some very specific health considerations, nothing can replace your own personal testing. You’d obviously want to consider something that allows for enough surface comfort, and also assists with pressure point relief, while still overall being resilient enough and provide enough support while sleeping. Overall, the two basic functions of a mattress are to support and to provide comfort (you can read more about the basic functions of a mattress here ), with posture and alignment being the first priority and then comfort/ pressure relief “plushness” coming second.

Because you are lighter, depending on your sleep positions you might not need a very high mattress; this could cut down on costs a bit, you should discuss this with Dormio or CBH Wood when you visit.

Good luck and let us know how you are doing with testing and narrowing down a few good alternatives when you have a chance
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18 Feb 2022 22:17
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Thanks so much for the response Phoenix. Are you aware of any of the companies in Toronto able to advise me?
I've looked at the suggested members on this site and there's only one which does latex mattresses as their sole option. I'm not necessarily opposed to an organic latex mattress but seems like I'm entering $3000 territory which isn't out of the question but just seems so much further out of range than everything else on offer.
In the past I've also tended to prefer something spring based although I'm open to switching.

I'm a relatively standard BMI, 22, but have had some lower back issues. Specifically disc herniation in my lumbar. this is why I have tended towards the beauty rest which according to the sales material has better support for lower back. Whether or not this is just lies I don't know!

I will visit the Dormio store if you think that's a good option but beyond that there doesn't seem to be much local recommended specifically from TMU.

Again, thanks for responding. I'm just trying to track down the best mattress for me and it's so much stress!
18 Feb 2022 21:43
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Hi MisterDerp.

Welcome to The Mattress Underground :)

I've been to a few mattress stores here in Toronto Canada and even with all the great info here it's still quite overwhelming.

I agree that the amount of info can get a bit overwhelming, but there is no substitute, for learning some mattress basics to be able to tell the difference between a good quality mattress and one which will wear out prematurely. The best place to start is our Mattress Shopping Tutorial and the 5 steps to finding your perfect mattress . You might also want to review the Matress Specifications you Need to Know as well as the
Mattress Durability Guidelines to get a better sense of what you need to consider.

When looking for other people’s opinions I’d remember that each sleeper is unique and has unique comfort/support needs and preferences PPP (Posture and Alignment, Pressure Relief, and Personal Preferences) so their comments won’t tell how your experience will be on the same mattress. Consumer comments that talk about product quality after they slept on a particular mattress for a while can be very valuable and worthwhile taking into account.

Also, some personal sats may be useful in gauging the type of mattress that you may do well with. What are your stats (height, weight) and your sleeping position(s)? do you sleep through the night? Any health issues affecting your sleep? Any history with previous mattresses?

I've narrowed what I like down to 3 mattresses, and looking for any thoughts people may have about them …] I’ve found a little outlet shop that seemed pretty legit and didn't use and BS sales tactics on me like sleep country did. I'd like to buy from them but being more of a warehouse the only way to test the products out is with them covered in plastic which isn't ideal.

We often caution consumers about major mattress brands, as many of their lines may use lower quality components and materials, and frequently are not transparent about their mattress specifications and construction. Unless you obtain the mattress specifications you need to know so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the Mattress Durability Guidelines here I would not consider any of these mattresses; If you can find the density specifications for the foams, layer arrangement, and thickness, I can make some comments that may help you with your decision..

At a quick look on their websites here are some quick thoughts:
The (11”) Serta Perfect sleeper is a hybrid gel memory foam with layer thicknesses and density unknown, This would raise a red flag in terms of durability and how well you’ll sleep on this mattress in the long term.
The (13”) Beautyrest Harmony while having the foam thickness provided for the comfort layer, the foam densities are not provided. Their video states that they use some high-density foam, however, a 1.5 lbs/ft3 density HD foam is still a lower quality material that would raise a flag in terms of durability.
(12”) Kingsdown Silent Partner Dane states that it uses HD foams & Gel High-Density Firm foams, Gel Visco memory foam Convoluted Comfort Foam. Again, densities and constructions are not disclosed, so I would always treat any unknowns as a red flag. Kingsdown like most of the larger brands won't tell you any meaningful information about what is in your mattress and you will end up paying a lot of money for a lot of polyfoam.

I do agree that aggressive sales tactics can be very off-putting when you are trying to find a mattress, but going forward with more information and a better idea of what’s in a mattress will make the search process easier. There are quite a few companies in Toronto that you can visit and they would be happy to provide you with the info you need to know.

Maybe someone who has experience with any of the specific mattresses you narrowed down to can add to this conversation with additional information for you.

Phoenix
17 Feb 2022 21:20
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I've been to a few mattress stores here in Toronto Canada and even with all the great info here it's still quite overwhelming. Of course comparison shopping is impossible with the different names at each store but after testing out at Sleep Country I've found a little outlet shop that seemed pretty legit and didn't use and BS sales tactics on me like sleep country did. I'd like to buy from them but being more of a warehouse the only way to test the products out is with them covered in plastic which isn't ideal.

I've narrowed what I like down to 3 mattresses, and looking for any thoughts people may have about them:

1) Beauty-Rest Harmony Cayman series tight top. Extra-firm.
This one seemed to be the most close to what I have traditionally wanted from a mattress.

2) Serta Perfect Sleeper Stratosphere Firm
Very similar to the Beauty-rest and liked it a lot as well.

3)Kingsdown Silent Partner Dane
Has a quilted top I'm not crazy about but something about this one just felt nice to me.


Thoughts anyone? Thank you in advance.
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