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04 Aug 2022 01:35
  • BillyIdol
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Ive been studying the ultra premium mattresses of Hastens and VISpring. I noticed that they all have box springs. The Sealy Posturepedic I slept on in 1990 had box springs. I bought my Tempurpedic Deluxe in 1998. It seems like after Tempurpedic came on the scene in 2000….they used a solid foundation without springs, the box spring disappeared.

1-Why did the box spring disappear?
2-Are there reasonably priced mattresses that come with box springs?
3-Is the box spring helpful in any way?
4-Are there any inner spring mattresses with box springs that can mimic Hastens and VISpring?

02 Aug 2022 14:04
  • Basilio
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Hi MetalHead671,

I'm a 5' 9" 150 pound side sleeper. I tried the Helix Midnight Luxe and HATE it! It's far too firm. Even after 60+ days of break in, a plush topper and crawling on the thing periodically, I'm waking up sore (especially on the should I slept on) and don't feel refreshed. I feel as though I'm not able to sleep "in" the bed. It's more like I'm awkwardly laying on top of it with my shoulders acting as a wedge. I work a physical labor job that's hell on my knees and back so I NEED something comfortable yet supportive.

I'd like to avoid beds like TempurPedic as I sleep hot and tend to move around a bit through the night. My budget is roughly $3,000 USD. Hopefully that's enough to get a quality bed that suits me.
Any ideas?

Sorry to hear the Helix bed is not meeting your expectations. As every sleeper is unique, their comfort on any mattress is based on their stats(height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions) and their PPP(posture and alignment, pressure relied=f and personal preferences)there is no way to tell which mattress will be compatible for you without trying it out.
You are correct, while it can take longer to break-in a mattress(which is why its always best to look for mattresses with 100 or more night trial periods), after 60 days you can generally tell when a mattress is just not working out. The Helix Midnight Luxe consists of Memory and Polyurethane foam, which though many consumers enjoy, many also avoid; Memory foam is not the most durable material, and can wear prematurely leaving ‘divots’ or worn areas which can affect spinal alignment and can cause muscle and joint pain.

If you have not already done so, you may want to take a look at the Mattress Shopping Tutorial , as well as the Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the Mattress Durability Guidelines to better familiarize yourself with mattress components and how materials last over time. You may want to consider other types of mattresses, as memory foam is also known to cause consumers to sleep ‘hot’ due to the foam conforming to your body, and thus allowing perspiration to ‘pool’ which can raise temperatures for sleepers in some cases. You can see more on how mattress ‘microclimates’ factor into sleep in this post , and also post #29 here . You may want to try different mattress types at a local store or showroom and get an idea of what you may prefer and what types you want to avoid.

You have a very decent budget, and at a lower BMI, you have a lot of options. I tend to avoid major ‘big box’ retailers in general, since they have a lot of ‘hype’ and are often not very transparent with materials and specifications in their products’ reviews can likewise be very misleading. While we do not make suggestions, as everyone is different and its’ impossible to know what anyone else would find comfortable, you might want to take a look at the offerings of the
Trusted Members of the site, as they have all been vetted to have transparency on the materials and components in their mattresses, are knowledgeable with great customer service, and have good trial warranty and return/exchange policies. By providing some little bit of information to them they can likely match you with a mattress that ‘checks all the boxes’ for you. If you have questions on specific mattresses you are looking at, we can possibly comment on those to help you find a mattress which will suit you.

I wish you success on your mattress buying journey!

~ Basilio
31 Jul 2022 10:32
  • androiddd
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I found the Tempurpedic Pro-Support at Bed Bath and Beyond and slept on it last night. It's the same as the Tempur Supreme from Tempurpedic. Very nice! It is a high-quality dense memory foam with that sink into and still get support feeling. Turned my dying DIY foam bed into quite a nice bed. I also compared the Costco Tempurpedic topper, which is very low quality, and feels like low density cheapo memory foam.

Tempur is having a 40% off sale this weekend. Makes the Queen size about $250. Still pricey, but probably worth it.
29 Jul 2022 15:05
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I'm a 5' 9" 150 pound side sleeper. I tried the Helix Midnight Luxe and HATE it! It's far too firm. Even after 60+ days of break in, a plush topper and crawling on the thing periodically, I'm waking up sore (especially on the should I slept on) and don't feel refreshed. I feel as though I'm not able to sleep "in" the bed. It's more like I'm awkwardly laying on top of it with my shoulders acting as a wedge. I work a physical labor job that's hell on my knees and back so I NEED something comfortable yet supportive.

I'd like to avoid beds like TempurPedic as I sleep hot and tend to move around a bit through the night. My budget is roughly $3,000 USD. Hopefully that's enough to get a quality bed that suits me.
Any ideas?
23 Jul 2022 20:27
  • Batreus
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Hi GG, thanks for your great response.

Which Foam Factory topper did you get? (density & thickness)

How did it compare to the Tempur Supreme?

I went to Bed, Bath and Beyond to feel the Tempur Supreme. It was better than the cheaper one they had there, but still didn't feel like my old one. Which is somewhat surprising given the premium Tempurpedic brand, and my old one being whatever they sold at Costco 15 years ago (less expensive than Tempurpedic).

I wasn't familiar with dunlop. I looked it up. Looks like a type of latex (which I have heard a lot about in my search). I can only find one mattress topper on Amazon with dunlop in the title. Maybe it's a feature that only gets listed in the specs normally. I'll have to look deeper into it.
19 Jul 2022 22:16
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Hi! I've been primarily sleeping on memory foam mattress toppers, mostly on the floor - for the past 15 years.

I bought a 3 inch memory foam topper at that time from Costco, which was great. Using it on my carpeted floor was the most comfortable "bed" I've ever had.

I recently bought two others (a random one with good reviews on Amazon, and a Sealy one from BJs Warehouse) hoping for the same thing, and they are both much weaker/softer/less substantive. In other words, there is very little resistance when you push down on them. Your handprint disappears after one second. They are more like regular foam, not memory foam. More airy. I use them on the floor, and when you lay on them, you sink down pretty readily and feel the floor.

This was not the case with my old one. That one - especially if it was cool - was pretty firm, but really comfortable to lay on.

I've been searching online trying to find something like that old one I got from Costco (I unfortunately don't remember what brand it was), but no luck. Apparently even top brands like Tempurpedic have changed their material for the worse.

I read a few threads here, and lots of reviews/Q&As on Amazon, and have learned about specs like firmness, density, and ILD, but I'm not sure how these translate into real world feel and performance.

I've seen many recommendations to get memory foam with a higher density, like 5 or more, but I can't find a single mattress topper on Amazon with that spec! Actually, almost none of them even list their density.

The only one meeting that requirement I've been able to find at all is from The Foam Factory/Foam By Mail - they have a 5lb density topper available in both 3in and 4in thickness for under $200 - but that company seems to have mixed reviews.

My questions are:

1. What specs am I looking for to get a more firm, gel-y, comfortable, supportive memory foam topper? How does density relate to ILD in terms of actual feel?

2. My old topper was 3 inches, but 4 inches sounds like it might be better. Any reason not to go with a 4 inch?

3. Where should I look to buy?

18 Jul 2022 12:35
  • BillyIdol
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I liked Tempurpedic over TempFlow. I like the TempFlow Glacier Supreme best of all the TempFlows. But I liked Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm the best.

18 Jul 2022 12:18
  • BillyIdol
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My Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm has not beeb delivered yet. Im excited for it to get here though!!! Will let you know about it once I get it!!!

But whether I like it or not should be irrelevant. The best judge of your mattress is you. Use the PPP that the teach at the TMU mattress tutorial. I think Preference and Pressure relief is pretty easy to judge. I feel the key hard metric is Posture or support. Is your spine aligned? When on your back, is the hips/butt divot too extreme or angled? Maybe get a partner to photograph you standing up and then on your back…..you should be the same. Photo on your side…..spine should be straight.

My 2nd place finisher might be of interest to you. My 2nd place choice was (innerspring) Aireloom Preferred M1 Luxetop Firm. Im not recommending my favorite per se…..but a family of mattresses….Preferred M1 or M2 in Firm or Plush for a total of 4 mattresses. M1 means 1 layer of microcoils….M2 means 2 kayers of mictocoils. Firm and plush refer to innerspring. At Ortho mattress, Chester is the M1 and Westchester is the M2. Avoid the Macys Aireloom because they have fewer coils and cheaper materials and does not feel as good. But you could go to Macys to get a taste of the Aireloom feel. I feel that the Aireloom is best innerspring mattress. I havent laid on the VI Spring $30k plus mattresses though.

I did back to back testing of Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm and Aireloom Preferred M1 Luxetop Firm. They are both amazing. I felt the M1 has 5% better back support (on back), but LAF was 30% more comfortable and pressure relieving. I felt back support on LAF was adequate and more comfortable….so thats why I ordered it. Was the M1 comfortable? Heck yeah. The M2 was even more comfortable and pressure relieving, but support was less. With that said, ignore my review and the reviews of others. With Aireloom and others…..ignore a mattress tag that says Firm or Plush. A Firm might feel soft to you. A Plush might feel firm. You sleep on a mattress….not on a mattress tag. Try my recommendations….but feel free to totally hate them. Latex seems to be the big on TMU…..and I tried a few all latex mattresses and didnt like them. I felt that Tempurpedic felt better. I realize that Tempur wont last as long and I would love to know the ILD of each layer. I ordered the Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm because its best for me. The best person to help you find your best mattess is…….YOU!!!

I hope this helps and let me know what you get.

18 Jul 2022 11:30
  • Lu1968
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billyidol - How do you like the Tempurpedic Luxe Adapt Firm mattress thus far?

I'm regretting buying an all latex mattress and looking for other, hybrid or other types. I have the same issues with aches and pains as the OP.
17 Jul 2022 16:52
  • Bostonsnow
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if you have a "relax the back" store near you, they carry the Temper Pedic topper so you can give it a try

there is one negative to covering it up with extra mattress protector to block the heat , which is that then you lose the feel of the conforming, "sinking into sand" feel that is classic for tempurpedic. That is a tradeoff

If you do end up doing "surgery" on your old mattress, cutting it open, changing out the foam to new material, and then closing it back up, do report back on the outcome! there are You tube videos of people in your situation doing this and keeping their old mattress' coils and outer covering.
17 Jul 2022 14:02
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I'll comment as a fellow reader - on the top layer part - as I just bought a tempurpedic supreme topper. At the moment it appears that it is only available in a 3 inch, so there is no option to consider a thinner tempurpedic topper. To me, it feels on the firm side for memory foam, similar to the feel of the classic tempurpedic beds in the old days. However I'm light at 140 pounds. For you at a heavier weight you will probably sink pretty far in, and maybe find it softer, but at 3 inches maybe that will be just fine, if your Dunlop transitional layer below it is on the firmer side? Your wife at 125 pounds may find it medium-firm as I do. But maybe it can be just on one side of your DIY?
Good idea to customize things differently for the 2 of you to some degree if you can.
as for heat, The tempurpedic topper does sleep hot, however it comes with a cover on it, and the more material between you and the foam, that can reduce the hotness. If you are putting it "inside" the mattress and under the top fabric layer, that may well keep the heat down sufficiently. I just got mine, but what I'm doing is I have it on top of the bed with its cover on and then also a mattress protector over it, and that keeps the heat down.
17 Jul 2022 12:56
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Background: I’m 5’9” 370 lbs, back sleeper primarily, but will shift to side or stomach when I get too hot. My wife is 5’7” 125 lbs, mostly side or stomach sleeper. With such a difference in size and sleeping position, I’m concerned about finding something that works for both of us.

We are currently on a King Beautyrest Black Hybrid (Clermont model) purchased at Mattress Firm about 5.5 years ago. The store model was incredibly comfortable for 5-10 minutes, but when we got it home it’s been far too soft and sleeps super hot. A Beautyrest rep recently told me that one of the foams they used in that model proved too soft and didn’t hold up, so they’ve discontinued use of that particular foam. I’m sure my size didn’t help either. It’s currently dipping pretty far around the hips and is hell on my back.

Prior to this I had (when single) a Serta interconnected spring with 2” memory foam eurotop I got from Sam’s Club. It was great for about 10 years until I wore it out. But now we’d like something with more motion isolation.

In my previous post, I was looking for advice on picking a replacement mattress from MF, thinking they were going to support a warrantee claim on our current model. That's not going to happen, so I've shifted focus. Last time, a "hidden split" king was suggested, with different firmness lower layers, and a single top layer (since we have young kids we don't want to get stuck). I hadn't considered this approach, but like it.

I've also done some more research, and realized that it may be possible to salvage the coil unit from our current mattress. Ours is supposed to have Beautyrest's T3 coils, which were sold as a more durable coil. Being only 5.5 years old, I'm inclined to think that they may still be usable as a base layer in a DIY build. Best I can tell having not cut into my current mattress yet, they should be 8" tall, with another 7.5" of various foam layers above. I like the idea of a hybrid mattress for the cooling/airflow and bit of bounce that the coils may provide. I've also considered keeping my current mattress whole and just getting a Leggett and Platt coil unit to build on while we tinker, so we have something that we can sleep on if we hate or need to return layers.

From there, I'm thinking a latex transition layer above the coils. I recently got to test some all Dunlop mattresses, which were pretty good. I like that Dunlop is supposed to be more durable (good for my weight). The place where I tested couldn't (or wouldn't) tell me the ILD of the foams used.

On top, I've been debating between another latex layer or a memory foam layer. I understand that the top layer will wear out first, and that memory foam will not likely be as durable as latex. One of the pros of a DIY mattress for me is that I can change out layers as they wear out, without needing to drop thousands on a whole new mattress. I understand the Tempurpedic foam is better quality...would one of their mattress toppers make a good top layer (inside the mattress cover)? I've read they can feel pretty soft...but are they too soft, particularly for a big person?

Feel/preferences: I've generally been most comfortable on something medium-firm...at least in the store. I know it will soften some as it breaks in, and I'm concerned that it will become too soft (like my current mattress). That said, I've experienced some that are far too firm. We have a Casper from Costco in our guest room, and out of the box it was far too firm for me...pressure points, pain, and waking up all night. As it broke in, it's a little better but not great. Likewise, some of the firm mattresses in the store have me feeling more pressure points. I know a firmer foam is more likely to last under my weight, but I am trying to balance that with comfort. My wife would prefer something fairly firm, as she enjoys stomach sleeping. Being considerably lighter, her firm will probably feel softer for me.

So I'm looking for guidance on a build. I'm ok making a few mistakes along the way and spending a little money if it helps me get to what is best for us. As stated, I'm leaning toward a base coil unit. Above that, what thickness/ILD of Dunlop latex would your recommend for each of our sides as a transition layer? I'm likely to go for a GOLS or equivalent all-natural latex as I've heard it's most durable.

For a top comfort layer, I'm open to suggestions. We've not experienced Talalay latex, and I've read people can have very strong feelings about it. I did try a 2" convoluted Dunlop top layer which wasn't bad. We currently have many layers of memory foam, and I think I like the feel, though it does sleep hot and I don't like how much we sink in. I'm worried about making the mattress too soft by putting too much material above the coils. If I went with the 3" Tempurpedic Supreme over a 3" Dunlop latex layer, that would make a 14" overall height which I fear would be nearly as soft as our current 15.5" mattress. I've also seen reviews that the Tempurpedic topper is pretty soft...maybe there's a quality foam that's a bit firmer for the comfort layer?

What recommendations do you have? Help us, Mattress Undergound! Your're our only hope!
16 Jul 2022 23:10
  • Bostonsnow
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Thanks Basilio

The other interesting thing is - these higher end hotels appear to be using beds with a variety of foams in the comfort layer/ pillow tops, whether its Fairmont, Four Seasons, Westin Heavenly bed, from looking at their hotel store websites and the cutout views of the mattresses. I know from my memory foam toppers that they do wear out every 3 years or so. The beds in nice places like Fairmont, Four seasons all seem to be in good shape without depressions, so I wonder how often they replace the mattresses!! (unlike low to mid hotels where one often finds a clearly worn mattress with depressions in the room, and have a night of tossing and turning and back pain).

Which raises a concern about buying one of these high end hotel beds. I would hate to spend $2000-2500 on the fairmont bed to enjoy it for the first year only and then have it start to wear out and then want to replace it in 2-3 years due to a major depression in comfort layer! If replacing in 3 years, I would rather it be a $300 topper!
I did just get the 3 inch tempurpedic topper, and so far so good - I am going to see how I do with that on top of my current mattress for now. If I dont like it, then I'll think about a 4 inch topper variant with two x 2 inch latex toppers as my next step.
16 Jul 2022 22:31
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Lot of variability with finding toppers. Its difficult lately.
In the past I used to have my regular sources to get the same memory foam topper repeated every few years when the old one wore out. But many stores/ vendors have seemed to be gone. And the foam I liked, Sensus, , appears to no longer be made.
Lately I had trouble finding any low cost, high density ones through my past sources, at least ones labeled as 5lb density.. So, I did just buy the official tempurpedic topper instead. Its a bit more pricey than some other random ones you can find on amazon, but not too expensive. It seems to only come in a 3 inch size at the moment.
I got the "supreme" one. there is one other option that has a cooling cover.
here is the link but a variety of major stores carry it too:

I have just had it a few nights, but so far I like it. It has a firm-ish memory foam feel, similar to an older tempurpedic bed we had (although they dont list the specific density anywhere). So far I like it after a few nights - so far so good. With tempurpedic, you know what you get.... so somewhat reliable in that aspect
16 Jul 2022 12:13
  • Basilio
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Hi BostonSnow

the Stears & Foster bed I'm trying to replicate is the one they specially make for Fairmont Hotels, the "Fairmont Signature Bed"

The reason I am not ordering it from Fairmont Store is not only the high price, but also that I want a Twin XL , and they don't supply it in that size.
They say its a Euro Top pillow top bed, explaining that 4 inches of comfort layer.

Unfortunately, it is nearly impossible to replicate a Hotel Bed on your own, as in addition to the normal lack of transparency, as this is a proprietary design made for Fairmont Hotel, you will not be able to find details of the construction. The only thing I can find is a vague description of a ‘gel infused memory foam’. No thickness, density or materials used in components are given. Not only is it expensive, but there is an 8-12 week delay in delivery – and as you say they do not even carry the size you want.

Thanks for the tips. As mentioned on other posts recently, due to supply chain issues, it is hard to find many high density memory foams these days. However the tempurpedic 3 inch topper is available - does the group consider the tempurpedic topper to be a high quality one?

I do know that per Jeff at Mattress To Go Jordans’ Furniture was one of the few places that listed specs for Tempurpedic, however I no longer see Tempurpedic Toppers listed there. You may want to take a look at This forum thread from May discussing toppers and also this thread on HD/HQ toppers from January. It is my understanding that it has become difficult to source HD foam at present; I would say that you may want to try the Tempurpedic 3 yourself, unless other consumers can chime in here with their experiences, as this has been somewhat of an ongoing issue recently

- Basilio
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