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04 Sep 2022 15:40
  • Basilio
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Hi Jrob8604, welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Glad to have you here.

Been mattress shopping a few weeks now. And need help with suggestions.

The best feeling mattress we tested in store was a hotel collection by airloom, it looks like it’s a hybrid innerspring with several different layers of foam and a hand tufted top they call “streamline”. It does feel amazing however I have trouble swallowing paying for a mattress over 4K. Here is a link of the exact model we tested. King size luxury firm. Does anyone know anything comparable? We’re possibly looking at a wink bed luxury firm, or firmer, not sure which one is best. We tried some latex mattresses from posh and lavish but they didn’t blow us away.

Some info on us
I’m 5’10 235 lbs, and am primarily a back sleeper.
My gf is 5’4 130lbs mostly side and some back.
She actually likes firm, and I like medium-firm.
We currently have a leesa original for almost 8 years, and it’s just not comfortable anymore, I’ve been talking about replacing it for about a year. I don’t think it does well for people over 200lbs with the wear of the foam.


Not surprising your Leesa is wearing out, as most ‘big-box’ mattresses tend to have inexpensive memory foam which can develop ‘ruts’ or divots after a few years of use. With higher BMI, especially as a back sleeper, you want a durable supportive mattress – you may want to review the Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the Mattress Durability Guidelines to become more familiar with what you are looking at in regards to mattress materials and construction. Also the Mattress Shopping Tutorial can give you a better idea of how to personally review any bed you are considering. Comfort is subjective and is based on your stats (height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any health conditions) and your PPP (posture and alignment, pressure relief and personal preferences). You said you did not like the latex mattresses you tried – were they too firm? Or just not comfortable? The best way to choose a mattress, of course, is to try it out in person, of if possible – and this allows you to ‘cross off’ certain styles and materials that you find uncomfortable. I would certainly caution against any low-density inexpensive foams (as your previous mattress) in general for a sleeper of your stats, as it probably will not hold up over time.

The mattresses you mention – the Aireloom Streamline Luxury Firm, the WinkBeds Luxury Firm, like many of the major retailers, are not transparent with the density, construction and even layer thicknesses of the components in their products, making it hard to appraise how it may hold up for a consumers’ size and sleeping style, and to provide ‘comparable’ mattress options; Macys’ version was created to give Aireloom market placement in the mid-range mattress market.

Finally, If you are considering ordering online, You may want to review the offerings of the
Trusted Members of the site; By providing them with a little information, they all have great experience in matching consumers to mattresses that fit their needs, and they have great trial and return policies, and generally ship anywhere in the U.S.
01 Sep 2022 03:15
  • Jrob8604
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Hi,
Been mattress shopping a few weeks now. And need help with suggestions.

The best feeling mattress we tested in store was a hotel collection by airloom, it looks like it’s a hybrid innerspring with several different layers of foam and a hand tufted top they call “streamline”. It does feel amazing however I have trouble swallowing paying for a mattress over 4K. Here is a link of the exact model we tested. King size luxury firm. Does anyone know anything comparable? We’re possibly looking at a wink bed luxury firm, or firmer, not sure which one is best. We tried some latex mattresses from posh and lavish but they didn’t blow us away.

Some info on us
I’m 5’10 235 lbs, and am primarily a back sleeper.
My gf is 5’4 130lbs mostly side and some back.
She actually likes firm, and I like medium-firm.
We currently have a leesa original for almost 8 years, and it’s just not comfortable anymore, I’ve been talking about replacing it for about a year. I don’t think it does well for people over 200lbs with the wear of the foam.


www.macys.com/shop/product/hotel-collection-by-aireloom-coppertech-silver-13.5-luxury-firm-mattress-set-king-created-for-macys?ID=14149768&CategoryID=25931


Thanks for all that you do
08 Jul 2022 10:29
  • Basilio
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Hi MyBackIsKillingME and welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Glad to have you here.

First post here, thanks in advance for advice. I( live in Houston, I'm in my late fifties with a history of lower back issues resulting in sciatica that has manifested itself in both legs at times in the past. I am 6'0, 180 lbs. I sleep on my sides and occasionally stomach, sometimes I wake up on my back. My partner is 5'10, 150 lbs and sleeps on his side and back. We are both "hot" sleepers

Sorry to hear about your problems with your less than 2 year old mattress. Each mattress is unique to the sleepers using it, and is based on your stats (height, BMI, sleeping position(s)and any underlying health conditions) and the sleepers’ PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Thanks for providing your stats, You both have lower BMI’s but you have found the major drawback to ‘big brand’ mattresses…Leesa, like many big box retailers, is not transparent about the materials or thicknesses of their components. I took a look at the Leesa site and your hybrid is multiple layers of memory foam of unknown thickness and density. Inexpensive memory foam can ‘break down’ prematurely causing ‘divots’ or ‘ruts’ and it sounds like you are becoming painfully familiar with these. Memory foam also tends to sleep ‘hot’ so this mattress is no longer suiting you as it did when new. It does sound like a painful sleeping experience. You may want to take a look at our mattress shopping tutorial here as well as the [ url=https://www.themattressunderground.com/our-articles/mattress-durability-guidelines-how-long-will-a-mattress-last.html]mattress durability guidelines/url] to see how different materials hold up over time.

. I found this site and have done some research and have decided on a Latex bed. I am gong to look for some locally, and focusing on natural Talalay latex. They look pricey but I'm hoping to offset the price with durability and longer life of the mattress. I tend to do better on firmer mattresses.

My questions are:
1) based on what I have told you, am I on the right track?
2) Are all natural Talalay Foam mattresses equivalent? There are name brands and non name brands. Any savings on these pricey things would be great.
3) I hope to use the Leesa adjustable base for the Latex mattress so that purcha$e was not a total waste. Reasonable match?
4) How much more benefits/drawbacks with regard to 10 inch vs 15 inch mattress for my situation if I am putting it on an adjustable base but want maximum comfort and durability.
5) Any additional thoughts or advice appreciated.

A Talalay mattress sounds like a good choice. Talalay has a ‘bouncier’ feel than Dunlop latex, which ‘cradles’ more and should be much more supportive for your side sleeping positions. Any Talalay mattress of similar ILD (Identation load deflection) should have a similar feel. I would try different configurations and comfort levels in person if possible. As far as using the Leesa adjustable base, you would need to ask the manufacturer of any mattress you are considering they usually have some firm rules on what sort of base you can use so that you don’t void any warranty. Also, the 10 vs 15 inch question is one only you and your partner can answer, you can have multiple layers of latex of various firmnesses to customize your sleep experience, but it is based on personal choice, within the constraints of the manufacturer warranty of course. Also, an organic mattress topper made of cotton, coconut coir or wool could help regulate heat, as would innerspring coils. It might take a little trial and error but I am sure you can get a mattress much more suitable to you both.

I would suggest taking a look at the Trusted Members of the site; Member Texas Mattress Makers are located in Houston, and they are experienced in matching consumers with the perfect mattress and are fully transparent about their materials and construction, and have excellent customer service. If you are considering online purchases, many of our members have offerings similar to what you are looking for.

I wish you success in finding a more comfortable sleep solution!

Basilio
04 Jul 2022 11:36
  • weienw
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Thank you so much! I've been having crazy back pain on a Leesa (all foam) that's just a few years old; can't wait to use these learnings to get something better.
03 Jul 2022 08:29
  • MyBackIsKillingME
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First post here, thanks in advance for advice. I( live in Houston, I'm in my late fifties with a history of lower back issues resulting in sciatica that has manifested itself in both legs at times in the past. I am 6'0, 180 lbs. I sleep on my sides and occasionally stomach, sometimes I wake up on my back. My partner is 5'10, 150 lbs and sleeps on his side and back. We are both "hot" sleepers.

In February 2021 we purchased a King sized Leesa hybrid mattress with an adjustable base. It felt great at first but a few months ago I started feeling some mild lower back problems on my right side that progressed to a chronic nagging but dull pain. I could not recall anything I did to induce it. Then a few weeks ago I woke up with severe pain and sciatic on my right side that I have benn struggling with. The mostly uncomfortable place for me to be in the world is that bed. No position is comfortable. I dread getting into it. I want out of that bed. My hips seem to be sinking lower into the bed and my spine is pout of alignment. Both of us seem to emigrate to the edge of the bed. I found this site and have done some research and have decided on a Latex bed. I am gong to look for some locally, and focusing on natural Talalay latex. They look pricey but I'm hoping to offset the price with durability and longer life of the mattress. I tend to do better on firmer mattresses.

My questions are:
1) based on what I have told you, am I on the right track?
2) Are all natural Talalay Foam mattresses equivalent? There are name brands and non name brands. Any savings on these pricey things would be great.
3) I hope to use the Leesa adjustable base for the Latex mattress so that purcha$e was not a total waste. Reasonable match?
4) How much more benefits/drawbacks with regard to 10 inch vs 15 inch mattress for my situation if I am putting it on an adjustable base but want maximum comfort and durability.
5) Any additional thoughts or advice appreciated.
30 May 2022 14:45
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi JDMWDC.

Welcome back!

Sorry to hear they've stopped making what sounds like a great mattress. Sad, but not surprising (as you've pointed out!).

It sounds like you've tested quite a few mattresses which have solidified what you know you definitely don't want :)

I can't speak much to the Winkbed, Leesa, or Nectar beyond the note that they seem to be popular options here in the forum. I'm not sure why GhostBed tends to have poor customer service reviews - they have a really great product! You may also be interested it The Quail from Nest Bedding.

I hope others in the forum who have experience with Winkbed, Leesa, and Nectar are able to chime in here and give some sage wisdom!
NikkiTMU
29 May 2022 20:20
  • kelvinator
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Hi,
I am looking for some guidance on a mattress combination that might be a good starting point for me. Budget isn't a factor for me here as any of the combinations that I believe I could end up with will be within budget.

I am a male in my early 30s. I am roughly 165-170lbs, 5’10” and have a relatively athletic build with broad shoulders. I am a combination sleeper and tend to be restless. I am not entirely sure which position I spend the most time in though. Probably back or side but sometimes in the morning I can tell I spent time on my stomach by the temporary wrinkles on my face.

When trying to fall asleep I tend to want to gravitate towards sleeping on my stomach. I attribute this to the pressure on my chest helping in some way. However, as I have aged, I have tried to make a conscious effort to not sleep on my stomach for the sake of my neck/spinal health. I typically struggle to fall asleep on my back but I do think I end up lying on my back a reasonable amount. I do also sleep on my side but often find myself rolling slightly onto my stomach even though I am still in the side position. This does make me wonder if the bed might be a tad stiff for side sleeping.

I have been sleeping on a Leesa mattress for roughly six years. I feel like the comfort layers have started to degrade. The edges feel stiffer than the middle. Also, sometimes when I am back sleeping if I have my legs straight my butt sinks in to the point where my knees lock up enough to cause some discomfort. When I try to fall asleep on my side, I do tend to notice some discomfort in my shoulders. I might sleep weird on my side though. I keep my arms kind of crossed on my chest in front of me instead of my arm extended out straight under my head. Other than that, I don’t have any noticeable consistent pain anywhere.

Some build options I came up with. Open to other suggestions!

Build 1 v1 (All Latex)
Comfort Layer - 3” soft Talalay latex
Transition Layer - 3” Medium Dunlop/Talalay Latex
Support Layer - 3” Firm Dunlop Latex

Build 1 v2 (All Latex)
Comfort Layer - 2” soft Talalay latex
Transition Layer - 3” Medium Dunlop/Talalay Latex
Support Layer - 6” Firm Dunlop Latex

Build 2 v1 (Coil + Latex Hybrid)
Comfort Layer - 2” soft Talalay latex
Transition Layer - 2” medium dunlop latex (20-24 ILD)
Support Layer - 8” combizone coils

Build 2 v2 (Coil + Latex Hybrid)
Comfort Layer - 3 inches soft Talalay latex
Support Layer - 8” combizone coils

The text below is from a post on TMU about the Leesa:

Materials & Construction:
Cover: Polyester/Lycra blend zip cover
Comfort Layers: 2" 3 lb Gell foam (13 IFD), 2" 3lb Memory foam (9 IFD)
Support Layers: 6" Polyfoam 1.8 lb density (32-38 IFD)
Fire Retardant: Non chemical, Inherent fire retardant sock
Comments:
Reseller. CAUTION: 2" of 3 lb memory foam is a potential weak link in this mattress.
Note Added later: Previously the top Comfort Layer was 2" 3.65 lb Avena polyfoam (20-26 IFD), which was replaced by a lower quality layer of 2" 3lb gel foam (13 IFD) wich would give a total of 4" of lower density foams in this mattress.
You can read more about Leesa in post #2 here . The 2" of 3.75 lb high performance "latex like" Avena polyfoam is good quality, but I would be cautious because of the 2" of 3 lb memory foam in the comfort layers which could be a weak link in the mattress in terms of durability.
27 May 2022 14:07
  • JDMWDC
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We have really enjoyed our all-foam mattress, was named the "Aloe Adele" back when Brooklyn Bedding offered deeply customizable sleep solutions (now they're just mass bed-in-a-box like everyone else, sadly). I spoke to a BB salesperson and was basically told they don't make mattresses similar to the one I have anymore. So: after 9 years so it's time for a new mattress and it looks like I'm changing brands.

Our current mattress:
1" quilted pillow top
3" of 4-lb gel memory foam
3" of 28 ILD Talalay latex
and 7" of 2.17lb base polyfoam

What we're trying to recreate:
* Little to no motion transfer, no major bounce (hence hybrid mattresses are out... I truly can't tell the difference between coils vs. innerspring other than marketing)
* We need the all-foam feel, which we view as soft without compromising support. We want more than neutral foam, but don't want to sink deeply into the mattress. My wife describes it as "just enough sink to support all the crevices, then you stop sinking before you feel trapped."

Whether there's a quilted top or not isn't super important.

What we've tried:
* Saatva showroom, hated almost everything we tried mostly due to the bounce. The closest offering was the Saatva HD, meant for heavy people (awkward, I'm 145 lbs.) But as I read about it, I think perhaps it's because the mattress added additional comfort layers for heavy people, so we didn't feel the springs as much. In addition, the coils that WERE there, were stronger than normal so perhaps less bounce to them.
* Purple showroom, hated everything with a passion because of the bouncing.
* Casper showroom. The Casper Original wasn't bad but was a tad too firm for our liking, felt more like sleeping on top rather than slightly more "in." I would say "close." We disliked the Wave and Nova beds, not a surprise as they're hybrids and very firm.
* Nectar. The Nectar Original is maybe the closest we've had so far. If the layers were thicker it might be the winner, but overall a bit firm (more "on" than "in" again). Nectar Premier was definitely out of contention. All reviewers say it's a much softer mattress, but that really only seems to apply to the top layer. We layer on it, immediately sunk through the top layer with virtually no support, and hit the second comfort layer like a rock.
* Tuft and Needle Mint - Felt extremely cheap in the showroom. They call their payers "adaptive foam" but I really didn't get the deeply supportive memory foam feel, just felt like a lot of cheap base foam.
* Brooklyn Bedding Signature - Medium. Yeah it's a hybrid but adding it as a data point. We have this in our guest bedroom. Much too firm for us, really no memory foam feeling at all.
* Brooklyn Bedding Aurora - Medium. This is the mattress we ordered without doing much research to replace our current bed. We are planning to get a refund, it's bouncy, the cooling is really a gimmick (didn't sleep any cooler than the one we got rid of), and it is lacking that memory foam feel/support we want.

What I'm looking at and have no idea what I'm doing:
Ghostbed Luxe - The bad reviews are scary, but I could order through Costco and have their warranty back it up
Winkbed GravityLux - Looks ok? I'm not convinced Ghostbed and Winkbed stand by their products, they seem to have exceptionally poor consumer feedback.
Leesa Original - Possibly a contender? Going to try to find this in a showroom, I think they have them at Macy's, but I wonder how much we'll miss having that layer of latex.
Nectar - How has the new Original changed from the old one we slept on? What about the Premier... which just seems like a layer of marketing?

This community helped me so much 9 years ago that I'm really excited to hear what you all might have to say :)
23 Apr 2022 11:33
  • antifascist
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Hi everyone, I would like to please ask for advice on my do-it-yourself mattress topper project. I have probably provided more information here than is needed, but as a novice I do not know which information is the most important in this equation. I hope I've at least organized this well enough to allow anyone interested to easily skim through for the relevant data points.

I purchased a 3 inch dunlop latex layer of ILD 28 with a cotton cover from Latex Mattress Factory, but unfortunately this seems to have been the wrong choice for my comfort layer, as it is not at all comfortable for me. I went with Latex Mattress Factory because I was impressed with their professional participation and support in the Mattress Underground forum. Even though I appear to have selected the wrong latex layer for my application, I still would say that I had (and still do have) the best possible chance to get it right thanks to the examples and other advice shared on this forum.

I believe that I probably need to exchange my 3-inch ILD 28 layer for a 2 or 3 inch ILD 19 layer... but I'm not 100% sure of this. Below are the details of my experiments so far. I would welcome any input and feedback from the forum here.

I'm male, 45 yrs old, 5'11" tall, 180 pounds. My butt is flat and I don't have much of a gut and I have virtually no hips. I don't get much exercise, so what little muscle I do have in my abdomen and back needs all the help it can get from my mattress to support me in my sleep. I tend to rotate between sleeping on my stomach, side, and back, although it could be that my tendency to rotate sleep positions arises from discomfort. With a more comfortable mattress I suspect I might possibly settle into mostly back sleeping.

My spring mattress is labeled as "extra-firm" and seems to be causing me back pain and muscle soreness all over, and it has gotten to the point where I feel sore not just when I wake up, but all day long, so I decided to see if a latex topper could improve things. I have been alternating between this extra-firm spring mattress and a softer mattress in another city that I commute to periodically. I do not see any visible sagging in this extra-firm spring mattress, and indeed, this extra-firm spring mattress while maybe not exactly comfortable for me, is at least tolerable for me for the first month or two after I come back to it, so I don't believe that it is worn out. However, after a month or two of sleeping on this extra-firm spring mattress, that's when the aches and pains start to accumulate and start to last all day.

I sleep on a twin-XL bed, as I find that a regular twin bed is too short for me.

My hope is to build myself an economical differential construction mattress (a soft comfort layer resting on a firm support layer). I want to use a single layer of latex as a comfort layer, and for the support layer I hope to use either my firm spring mattress, or a cheap-looking but firm 6 inch slab of foam that I happen to have cannibalized from an over-priced nearly-new (it didn't get much use) LEESA brand foam mattress. (This LEESA foam slab had a 2" thick layer of egg-shell latex-ish foam-ish material that I removed from it.)

I understand that 2 or 3 layers of quality latex would provide for a better performing mattress, as opposed to my attempt here to get by with only 1 layer of quality latex, but I'm trying to save money while still achieving adequate performance.

I'm a professional quality inspector with experience in metrology, so I have at least some competence in performing repeatable measurements of stuff. I used my newly purchased 3 inch thick ILD 28 latex layer to calibrate a non-destructive do-it-yourself ILD measuring process in which I measure how many pounds of force is required to deflect downward by 1 inch of distance an 8 inch diameter area of the mattress while it is sitting on a wood floor. I have provided here these do-it-yourself ILD measurements in case they might be of interest in this equation. I refer to these as DIY ILD measurements to clarify that they are my derived figures as opposed to figures published by a manufacturer.

My DIY ILD measurements show that my spring mattress is DIY-ILD 28, and my cannibalized cheap foam 6-inch slab is DIY-ILD 29. Of course, the spring mattress, cheap foam, and dunlop latex will have vastly different properties as far as point loading and sag factor and such, but anyway, for whatever it's worth (not much perhaps) my spring mattress, my 6 inch slab of cheap rigid foam, and my newly purchased 3-inch dunlop latex all appear to have similar ILD values.

I don't think it makes much difference, but I will mention that my 6 inch cannibalized foam slab has an additional 2 inches of memory foam glued to it which I am unable to remove, however I am using this 6-inch foam slab with the 2-inch memory foam side on the bottom, facing the floor, so I don't think the memory foam is going to contribute any significant sag or other attributes to the support performance of this otherwise fairly rigid 6 inch thick slab of foam. If it matters, the memory foam layer is DIY-ILD 12.

I tried laying on my back, with a pillow, on various configurations, and I arrived at the following ordering of these configurations, as ordered from least comfortable (producing the most immediately perceptible back pain) to most comfortable (producing the least back pain):

1) the 3-inch ILD 28 latex placed on the DIY-ILD 28 spring mattress is the most uncomfortable, giving me immediate back pain.

2) the 3-inch ILD 28 latex placed on a wood floor is almost as uncomfortable as when it was on the spring mattress, but is uncomfortable in a little different way that's hard to explain... it manages to combine back pain with uncomfortable hard spots where I am sinking all the way through the latex.

3) the bare wood floor with no bedding material at all is a little more comfortable than either of the first two configurations, with no immediate back pain when I lay on the bare wood floor.

4) the 6-inch cheap foam slab all by its self is a little more comfortable than the bare wood floor. However, in this configuration, I feel uncomfortable in a way that is difficult to describe.

5) the 3-inch ILD 28 latex placed on top of the 6-inch DIY-ILD 29 foam slab is the most comfortable configuration. In this configuration I again feel uncomfortable in a way that is difficult to describe. (again, the 2 inch DIY-ILD 12 memory foam layer is against the wood floor, so is not thought to be contributing much if anything to this configuration's performance.)

So the million dollar question is: Why are configurations 4 and 5 uncomfortable? It's difficult for me to perceive if my hips are sinking in too far, or not far enough, or what's going on, but as far as I can guess, the answer may be that my hips may be sinking too far into the material, thus causing discomfort by messing up the curve in my lumbar.

At the 3:50 minute mark of this random mattress review video, the narrator asserts:
youtu.be/XnFs8xSbBdw?t=230

<<Back sleepers need a firm surface to prevent their hips from sagging into the layers in order to maintain a healthy curvature in their lumbar.>>

Meanwhile, this Mattress Underground guide page asserts:
themattressunderground.com/mattresses/style-preferences-and-statistics/your-statistics

<<Heavier weights will need firmer and thicker comfort layers
Lighter weights will need softer and thinner comfort layers
Curvier body profiles will need thicker and softer comfort layers
Flatter profiles will need thinner and firmer comfort layers >>

At 180 pounds, I would think of myself as being more towards "heavy" than "light". I also have a relatively flat profile from the back, side, and front. Per these guidelines, this would all seem to indicate the need for a relatively firm comfort layer.

I can't explain why, but my intuition tells me that contrary to these guidelines, I might do better if I go to a more soft comfort layer, for example I might need to switch from my current 3-inch ILD-28 layer to an ILD-19 layer.

Before I cannibalized my LEESA mattress, it consisted of 2" eggshell pseudo-latex (DIY-ILD 24) on top of 2" memory foam (DIY-ILD 12) on top of 6" cheap foam (DIY-ILD 29) and the net result of all this assembled together was a reading of DIY-ILD 15.... and this DIY-ILD 15 LEESA is actually more comfortable to me (though still not completely satisfactory) than any of the other combinations I've described here so far... But yeah that's a complicated mix of materials in the LEESA so I wouldn't know for sure how to interpret that result.

I get the impression that my ILD-28 layer would probably not be firm enough to use as a support layer, in which case I would be stuck with having to return it.

My being more "heavy" than "light" seems to indicate the need for a more thick comfort layer, but my being relatively flat seems to contradict this by indicating for a more thin comfort layer. Since at 180 pounds I am only moderately heavy, it would seem that my having a flat profile might be the more significant factor, and I should therefore go for the more thin layer indicated by my being more flat.

If I get an ILD-19 of 3 inches, then it's not possible to go down to 2 inches without getting a whole new layer, but, if I get an ILD-19 of 2 inches, then I could always add on another ILD-19 of 1 inch from somewhere if I want to try a slightly thicker comfort layer. (Indeed, I could always try mixing in the 2 inch of egg carton pseudo-latex I scavenged off the LEESA mattress.)

So, there's the puzzle. :-) I would certainly appreciate any input and advice on what general mattress theory says that I might want to try next!

Thank you!

[edited to correct the value given for the 2" eggshell pseudo-latex (should be DIY-ILD 24)]
25 Dec 2021 23:34
  • BHou93
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Hi all,

I'm a Canadian consumer looking for a new mattress. I had previously gone the "bed in a box" route (with a Leesa), now in the market for a new mattress I'm debating making the jump to a latex hybrid but am concerned with some of the trade offs. I was pretty happy with my bed in a box aside from some firmness so I COULD see myself going for another BIAB but was wondering about splurging on a Latex Hybrid.

My profile is:
Couple - two sleepers
1 Back, 1 Stomach
Medium-Firm

I'm a little concerned about both motion transfer and bounce with a latex and while I plan on visiting a store to test latex vs. memory foam, I'd like to get some opinions to take advantage of some holiday deals. If I were to go with a Latex Hybrid bed, would that alleviate my concerns?

Additionally, in the case of the Luma (which I'm interested in), can anyone help explain the difference between these two mattresses? Specifically in regards to practical differences as I can see that there is essentially a pillow top layer, but what does that equate to as part of the sleeping experience, is it worth the extra $400 CAD and will it help with my concerns about motion transfer?

lumasleep.com/products/luma-mattress
lumasleep.com/products/natural-latex-hybrid-mattress

Thanks in advance for any help provided!
01 Dec 2021 10:44
  • nucappy
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I'm looking for some help from the community here. My wife and I have had Beautyrest mattresses for a while, we bought a King-size Plush Pillowtop in 2014 and then had it replaced under warranty in 2020. The replacement they gave us was the lowest base model, and it started sagging within a year. 3 months ago we decided to replace it, so after an exhaustive search, we settled on the Ghostbed Flex due to the fact that we had read it was great for side sleepers and had great edge support. The fact that they are a trusted member here helped solidify that choice. We also had visited Shovlin, as they are local to us, but couldn't find a bed of theirs that met our needs.

When the bed arrived, we found the edge support wasn't that great and my wife's arms were falling asleep every night, which was something we never experienced on the Beautyrest mattresses, along with her having significant upper back pain. We bought a 2" topper from SOL to try and help make it softer, and while it helped, we still weren't satisfied.

So we decided to go to SleePare in NYC to try out a bunch of bed-in-a-box mattresses, but came away from that not really liking any of those beds (Helix, Winkbed, Avocado, Bear, Leesa), then we turned to Mattress Firm to try and find another Beautyrest that would be like what we had before. The first one we bought was a Medium Firm BRS 900, which was hard as a rock and after one night knew there was no way it would work. We exchanged it for a Plush Pillowtop Pressuresmart, which felt great in the store and when delivered, also felt as hard as a rock.

Meanwhile, we returned the latex topper and requested a return from Ghostbed, who asked if we would try their memory foam topper. We agreed, and that has made the bed "ok". So now we're at the point of sleeping on the Ghostbed, debating whether to just accept having an "ok" mattress or what else we could try. We looked at some Stearns and Foster but are obviously concerned that being owned by an "S" brand will mean the durability is crap and we'll be out thousands of dollars.

Here is where I need some advice on what to do next. Our stats are:

Me: 5'8", 190 pounds, combo sleeper, about 50/50 stomach/side
Wife: 5'3", 200 pounds, side sleeper

My wife tends to sleep hot, and given that she is heavier, she needs the support from a bed but also the comfort for pressure relief. It just seems to be very difficult to find this combination and we feel like we've researched to exhaustion.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
06 Sep 2021 16:51
  • NapFan
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Hi Markad,

I wound up purchasing a latex mattress from Dormio, their "gold" line, I believe. I've had it for.... well, looking back at this thread probably close to a year now.

There are maybe one or two drawbacks that I've noticed since I've had it. The biggest is that when I tested the bed in the store, it felt heavenly - very buoyant, very pressure relieving, and it contoured to my body without the really dead-weight "sink" I get on memory foam. It was the first thing I'd ever laid on that made me realize that something could be soft AND supportive. I was worried about latex as I'd heard it's firmer than memory foam, but "firm" latex doesn't feel HARD to me the way most beds do, if that makes sense - it was such a pleasant surprise to feel the difference in the latex. Now the mattress I have in my house DOES feel like that.... but only when it's "naked". The mattress has 4 interchangeable layers of latex of different firmnesses that fit into a zip-on case; unfortunately the case is not washable, so they strongly recommended a mattress protector. I purchased one from them, it's not too thick and has a bit of wool padded into the top but not a lot. I use very stretchy jersey sheets because I like how they feel, but also they flex without popping off on my adjustable bed frame and I was hoping they wouldn't introduce too much "surface tension" that would prevent that nice buoyant-but-cradled sensation. Unfortunately though between the recommended mattress protector and the sheets (and I'm not sure which is the bigger culprit or if it's just the combination of both and the friction between the multiple added "things" on the mattress), there is just a little too much surface tension so I'm not supported quite the same and it isn't as comfortable. It just can't quite contour as nicely to my body and it feels "harder" if that makes sense, despite being configured in the softest possible arrangement of the inner latex (softer than what I tested in the store, and it's softened further as it's broken in). That kind of leads into drawback #2 which is that there's definitely been some slight sinkage of the center of the mattress and I can kind of get a tiny bit of that sensation of "bottoming out" into the firmer latex sometimes in a few spots. The way it's broken in has also kind of mis-aligned the way my neck meets my pillow and now the (very expensive) pillow I bought from them that was perfect at first is too tall and strains my neck uncomfortably, so I will probably be back to the drawing board on a pillow again in the future. The way it's broken in isn't awful or anything, but it isn't quite as nice as when I got it. I have rotated/flipped the interior latex a few times to try and prevent/mitigate this, although I suspect part of this just comes with the territory of having a twin bed and needing multiple body pillows for support and thus really not having anywhere to move - all the weight is in the same spot all the time and there's really nothing I can do about that.

I am considering buying another "soft" layer of latex and removing the "firm" one entirely at some point, which would bring it more into the feel of the other Dormio mattress I was considering at the time. The other one I was considering (forget which model it was tbh, sorry) was extremely soft throughout and felt the best of the many I tried on my side but much too soft on my back and was not adjustable. I kind of go through phases where back or side sleeping is more comfortable so that wasn't a great permanent choice for me, but if I can purchase another extra layer or two of softer latex so I can rotate as I need it, that'll likely do me, and that's precisely why I chose what I chose. For now though, it's by and large meeting my needs - I'm not going to say it's a magic cure that's solved all my pain forever, I don't think there's a mattress on earth that could do that, but I would say it's reduced my pain by ~70-80% over what my pain levels were on the Leesa, and considering that I've not been to physio in over a year with the pandemic going on and my skeleton is a mess, I could be doing MUCH worse right now. My bed is by and large a safe and kind place to be again, and that's a huge blessing. The people at Dormio were also incredibly helpful, fantastic customer service, very knowledgeable, and I'm ultimately happy with the decision I made in terms of pros/cons. I may try and experiment a little to see if I can find a way around that surface tension issue but really that's been my biggest problem thus far, and any minor tweaks I have to make to it down the line will be much cheaper than buying a whole new mattress again.
27 May 2021 13:57
  • M Shaw
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Update: I've spent a few months trying many combinations of my various mattress layers, and still haven't gotten the alignment dialed in for my lower back and shoulders.

I believe I need a softer support layer; I've tried 35-ILD polyfoam and 32-36-ILD springs, and both seem to be firm enough that I have to pile enough softer layers on top to cause some back trouble. My current build:

2" 12-ILD polyfoam
2" 11-ILD memory foam
2" 15-19-ILD latex
1" 20-ILD latex
3" 28-ILD latex
6" 32-36-ILD pocket coil springs

I know that a 6-7" comfort layer is not ideal, but a thinner comfort layer gives me alignment problems with the springs.

I want to try a 6" 32-ILD HD or HR polyfoam support layer; the Leesa mattress I tried that worked for a few months had that support layer, so it seems like a good bet. I might even go a little softer, like 30-ILD or 31-ILD.

I know not all DIY foam mattress manufacturers have great reputations. Can you recommend some manufacturers I can talk to?

Many thanks.
12 May 2021 07:49
  • Sensei
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Hey anarodit,

Welcome to TMU's forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

This decision is driving me insane. The mattress I think I liked the most in store was the Beautyrest Lux Pillowtop (which, I believe, is the W Hotel mattress.) But I'm worried it's too "old school." I also liked the Dreamcloud, but I don't know if that's because I actually like it or largely because they've been advertising so much to me. The other one I liked was the Brooklyn Bedding Spartan in the Firm, but it might be a bit too firm. I felt mediocre about the: Casper, Nectar, Saatva, Leesa, Puffy, Luuf. I did NOT like any latex mattresses or the Purple.


Congrats on your new mattress shopping adventure! Good job on the store visits, sounds like you've made quite a few comparisons and are closer to narrowing choices down :) . From the list of mattresses that you are "lukewarm" on, it sounds as if you're on the fence as to whether memory foam would be a good choice. If you didn't like latex mattresses or Purple/ buckling column gel, you can rule both of those categories out. What mattress are you currently using and how old is it? What are some qualities that you like about it? What are some that you can do without?

I think I'm going to go with the Beautyrest Lux Pillowtop from Mattress Firm, but am I making a huge mistake?


Just curious: what about the Beautyrest Lux Pillowtop seems "old school" to you? The sure way to know that you aren't making a "huge mistake" is to understand what the mattress's specifications are to assess its durability long-term. You may find a review of Phoenix's article "Matress Specifications You Need to Know" helpful for showroom visits and conversations, it's a good one to print and bring along until you are comfortable asking the questions on your own. What size mattress are you planning to purchase? What is your budget?

I have scoliosis and sleep on my side or back. 5'5, 140 pounds.


Thanks for including your personal stats , anarodit. Your sleeping positions and body weight/ distribution, as well as personal preferences, all play a role in what materials and constructions are better suited for you. Combination sleeping is the most common of sleeping positions and a bit more challenging from a comfort and support design standpoint. You may find that a mattress with a transition layer of some type can help you to sink in enough to help with pressure relief and also help keep you from sinking down too far and causing back issues. Do you tend to move about during the night or sleep fairly quietly? What advise does your Doctor have regarding your medical condition and mattress comfort/ support needs? Looking forward to your reply and thanks.

Sensei
08 May 2021 09:26
  • anarodit
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This decision is driving me insane. The mattress I think I liked the most in store was the Beautyrest Lux Pillowtop (which, I believe, is the W Hotel mattress.) But I'm worried it's too "old school." I also liked the Dreamcloud, but I don't know if that's because I actually like it or largely because they've been advertising so much to me. The other one I liked was the Brooklyn Bedding Spartan in the Firm, but it might be a bit too firm. I felt mediocre about the: Casper, Nectar, Saatva, Leesa, Puffy, Luuf. I did NOT like any latex mattresses or the Purple.

I think I'm going to go with the Beautyrest Lux Pillowtop from Mattress Firm, but am I making a huge mistake?

I have scoliosis and sleep on my side or back. 5'5, 140 pounds.
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