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11 Sep 2022 07:52
  • datrumole
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix


thanks Phoenix, stellar post as always

one place i looked at initially and for some reason just completely missed was Brooklyn Bedding under their 'mattresstopper.com/' site offering both the 2.5 and 4lb weights

seems like tempurpedic had a killer topper in their supreme, but it's been reformulated and phase out, many suspect its closer to a 3lb foam these days compared to the high densities tempurpedic was known for

i guess since there can be such a variety of variance, the only thing left to do is order up and see what the back agrees with. plan to grab both 2" and 3" just in case as i'm curious to the effect the thickness has on it as i've been able to test that out with latex. the key for me here is to get back to being able to be flat with such varying weights across my body
09 Sep 2022 22:35
  • phoenix
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix
07 Sep 2022 13:08
  • datrumole
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so, after doing some searching, since latex is pushed pretty heavily on this forum, there isnt a ton of memory foam resources

i plan on doing a 2" memory foam topper and a 1" latex topper over it to keep the heat down (over 6" latex core)

however, trying to find reputable memory foam sources

all i've been able to find is the following:

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products
www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are
www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor i saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

anyway, thoughts?
31 Aug 2022 19:26
  • phoenix
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Hi Craig9939.

Welcome back to our Forum all the way from 2013. Great to have you back!

Typically, the useful life of an all-latex mattress can be a couple of decades (or more in some cases) provided that the balance of comfort/support is correctly chosen for each of the sleepers to begin with, and provided that the uppermost layer is medium, medium-firm (soft or x-soft latex being less dense is especially prone to wear out over the years for high BMI range sleepers). It also helps if some level of maintenance is performed at regular intervals of time through rotating and flipping before any level of indentation starts to set in.

[quote} My main concern is that the modern beds seem to be too soft. I have a medium firmness Aurora Hybrid in my guest room and it is MUCH too soft. [/quote}

In general, you are quite right, too many people tend to select mattresses based on the initial “comfort”, and an “enveloping” mattress feel. Many advertisers capitalize on an uninformed consumer’s “wishful thinking” and the impact the mattress has when trying it in the shop without prompting the potential customer to look at the suitability and how well the mattress may perform over the course of a few nights of sleep and after the body has the chance to adjust to the new sleeping environment. Specifically, Aurora Hybrid is a taller mattress with different materials (poly, memory foam, and pocket coils) which will feel different to different people. The two different types of mattresses you own will also perform differently so it’s difficult to make apples to oranges type of comparisons.

I have a chronic health condition so unfortunately I must spend a great deal of time in bed. I'm trying to get as close as possible to the firmness of my original bed.


Although it can be tempting to send you off in the direction of an all-latex bed that can closely resemble the construction and feel of your 2013 mattress, the real solution may not be that simple. As some or more of your mattress latex layers softened it is important to do a retrospective evaluation to see if, and how much of your personal stats, health conditions, and other variables concerned with your needs and preferences may have changed over these 10 years. These variables would greatly affect any similarity in feel (even for exactly the same mattress that has not been used. For example, did your BMI change to any significant level? The type of your chronic health condition and degree of discomfort are also important factors. The sleeping positions and type of pains you are experiencing in each of them will also give you good clues in terms of support/comfort you may need. This said if you have some of these answers and can reach out to a knowledgeable manufacturer or retailer.

Does anyone have suggestions for a 100% latex bed that may be similar in feel to my old Brooklyn bedding total latex mattress? I tried calling Brooklyn bedding but they really don't seem to sell anything comparable. Quality is more important than price since I spend so much time in bed.


Knowing the type of mattress, you do well with is essential. I am glad you have the time to go out and try some of the all-latex beds. Even though in your case the budget is not an issue as the latex price has steeply increased you'd still want to get good value for your money. I would certainly suggest to you to rely on the advice of the manufacturer themselves (provided that they are knowledgeable, experienced, and have a historically long third-party track record of good customer success) They would be much more familiar with their own mattress designs and materials than anyone else (including me) and be able to compare their products with other well-known similar products. They can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the "averages" of other customers that may be similar to you. The more accurate and detailed the information you provide them the better you will help them to help you make the best possible choices out of the options they have available.

A good starting point is the filtered all-latex mattress search of Trusted members ~ directory of the site. I'd definitely make a few phone calls, talk, and/or visit those closest to your area to narrow down to a few good finalists that meet your criteria.

Good luck and let us know how it goes along the way. We'll be here for any additional Qs you may have.
Phoenix
23 Aug 2022 14:16
  • Basilio
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Hi lantern71,

I am aware these are well built and premium priced.

I was looking for a response more along the lines of it's not worth paying more than "x" given the components and alternatives in the market. For example,.... Custom Comfort charges $4365 for a queen 6" natural dunlop core and a 2" natural dunlop comfort layer on each side. A number of competitors sell the same thing for ~$1500. Add a rough % for overhead (say 40%) and $2100 is about what I would consider a fair/competitive value proposition.

As for mattress details, most are listed in the OP. These models are also made in house. "Heritage" is name of the product group for marketing purposes. The poly is 2lbs. The one component I am unsure about pricing for is the offset innerspring. .

Maybe Phoenix can chime in, but I was just looking for a back of the envelope evaluation of the value proposition.

Sorry my previous reply was not as concrete as you were looking for; as you know we have a lot more forum readers than posters, so we try to clarify and speak in general terms in forum replies so anyone reading along, or reading in the future, can completely understand the information presented. Unfortunately Phoenix is unavailable at the moment as she is taking care of other tasks, so if you will indulge me, let me clarify on my original answer.

As I’m sure you are aware there are quite a lot of mattresses on the market that are even over $10,000; it’s difficult to assess whether these are ‘worth’ the money - obviously there are people purchasing them, but are they, for all intents and purposes, that much better? Without researching the actual structural components and calculating, based on market costs, how much a mattress is actually costing to source, build and manufacture and then figuring the profit, it’s almost impossible to compare. And then, value is subjective to the consumer as well, which is why I was a bit oblique in my original reply.

The main reason to buy a mattress in this range is because of personal considerations that are more unusual or unique and that often have less to do with value (as most people would define it), comfort, or support than with special features, materials, or designs that may be more important to a minority of consumers with more unique needs or challenges. At this price range you are paying for something which is rarely if ever "necessary" and much of the time you may be overpaying as well. This is the range where "stories" can become very expensive so it is even more important to differentiate marketing information from fact-based information. I would take great care to find out the truth behind any story that is used to justify a mattress in this price range since there are so many local, regional, and online manufacturers where you can buy a custom-built mattress to your personal specifications, using your choice of materials, ticking, and quilting, for less than this. For those people who are less price-sensitive and still consider this price range as reasonable then more exotic or costly materials, designs, and methods of construction, or even extras like, for example, "gold impregnated thread" or "essential oils" added to a mattress are options that may be available. Many of these may be of questionable benefit or worse yet have no realistic benefit at all that will actually make a difference in terms of how well you sleep on a mattress or how long you will sleep well, so while there may be a few instances where this budget range can be justifiable for some people because of their special needs or preferences ... I would always make sure that there is a compelling reason to spend this much on a mattress that will actually make a difference that you can feel when you sleep on it. This is a budget range where for the most part higher prices are subject to the law of diminishing returns and would only have benefits or be worthwhile considering for a minority of people. I would categorize both these mattresses ‘Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware’ as, unless they strike a consumer as personally 100% more comfortable than anything else they have tried,
You can find mattresses of almost identical quality and construction for much less.

I hope this more fully answers your question,

~ Basilio
18 Aug 2022 11:37
  • Basilio
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Hi orfik, and welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Glad to have you here with us.

Picked up a Sleep On Latex medium with a 2in soft topper and it's the best bed I've ever slept on. Also half the price of the SleepEZ I'd tried before and far more comfortable, not even close. I'd strongly suggest anyone in the market for a latex bed give them a try since their return policy is the best I've ever encountered in the mattress industry. Every other company needs to study these guys.


That’s great to hear! Trusted Member of the site Arizona Sleep EZ Factory offers many great mattresses, but as you have found, differences in
Material providers and supply chain difficulties can force some businesses to charge a higher price, and others can lower theirs for the same reason. Awesome that you find the Sleep On Latex to be ‘the best bed you’ve ever slept on’!
Since any mattress is unique to the sleepers using it, based on their stats(height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions) and their PPP(posture and alignment, pressure relief, and personal preferences) Its’ always best to try a mattress in person if possible, as that’s’ the best way to tell if a particular sleep system will be comfortable for a consumer or not.

For returns, Sleep On Latex does have a free return policy, dependent on their warranty terms, While Sleep EZ does have a charge – again due to the vagaries of the supply chain and shipping policies around the world; Any good Mattress Manufacturer wants to provide the best comfort for a consumer, since, return charge or not, shipping something as bulky as a mattress is not cheap! Charging a small return fee is essential for smaller manufacturers to keep afloat, while many of the ‘big box’ stores can afford to absorb the cost with volume sales.

In any case, congratulations on the new mattress, may you have many years of comfortable sleep going forward!
Feel free to let us know your impressions once you have had some time with the new mattress!

~ Basilio
06 Aug 2022 01:14
  • Jabberwockxeno
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Hey,

So, back around 6 years ago, there was an insect and mold infestation in my home, and we had to throw out a ton of things, including my bed, and we had a lot of resulting housing issues. Recently as of this year, everything is finally repaired and I have a room to sleep in again, and therefore also the ability to get a bed.

I've been testing out mattresses at stores and been doing research, as well as trialing a mattress from Denver mattress for around 6 months now, but I'm not really totally happy with anything I've tried that's within my price range so far.

I know that the big typical brand names like Sealy and Serta have a poor reputation, so I avoided those (though the Silver Chill tempted me). Denver mattress was the one store by me that actually offers information about their foam and springs in terms of technical specifications, and based on the research and conversations I have had with people, seem to have at least solid quality mattresses. I had essentially narrowed down my choice between the Doctor's Choice elite Firm (with then a topper; apparently a 2.2/lb polyfoam topper, and then 4lb memory foam layer (according to the rep) with 884 induvial coils), or the Telluride Firm (apparently 1" 19 guage 2226 microcoils and 2.2lb support poly foam and with 744 individual support coils., has 4lb memory foam comfort layer. ): The latter had a more tactile, noticable foam feel that you intially sink into where you feel the foam compress under you, which I like, but didn't quite offer enough support on my lower back, wheras the former had a quilt top cover which didn't have that feeling. In the end, I went with the latter.

My suspicions turned out to be correct, there wasn't quite enough support for my lower back, but the real issue was how the mattress protector and sheets interacted with the feel of the bed: Adding a mattress protector added surface tension to the bed, so when I lay down onto it, I don't feel the foam compress as much, and I also think that the protector also prevented the foam from "pushing back" as I compressed it, as the foam was then pushing up against the protector, wheras without a protector, the foam would "fill in" the contours of my back as I sank into it (likewise, I notice it is easier to push down on the mattress with my hand and feel less resistance if I do so when the protector is on vs when it is off). This basically negated any benefits the telluride had, and I fond gave me much, much less support then laying on it in the store did, to where at best I just would feel "okay" but without the sensation I wanted, but at worst some nights I would feel like my pelvis was sinking into the bed, not just the intial foam layer, and caused pain.

Eventually, I did try other mattress protectors that were less tight and were stretchy (some jersey/bamboo ones from amazon, the Purple protector, etc, ironically the best so far is a Serta one) and with those there's a bit more of a foam sensation and I haven't had many nights where I feel like i'm sinking deep into the bed. but it's still not ideal, and I still toss and turn a bit, and I feel like I am floating, not like I have support. So I'm having Denver mattress pick the mattress back up for a full refund in a few days.

Right now, I am looking at a Comfort Option mattress, since most of my issues with beds is fairly granular interactions with their different support layers, and they have a generous trial period and I can switch out the different layers modularlity, and I've heard they have decent to good quality foam. I am concerned about a few things, though:

- Will an all foam mattress not give me the "pushback" I am wanting after I intially compress the top layer, since it is all foam vs a hybrid which also has springs?

- I'm unsure if I want a softer or a firmer top layer: I obviously want it to be soft enough that I sink into it and compress it a bit, but with the mattress protector actually reducing the amount of pushback I feel, I am thinking maybe I should pick one of their medium firmness layers like a 10 rather then a S or a C (and i'm not sure if the S or the C is more or less firm vs the other, just that both are the two softest options) so I do actually feel the foam not compressing and wrapping around me, and not just it "going away" under my weight which it does with the telluride with the protector on

- I'm unsure if I should go with the 10, 18 or the Flex for the middle layer: The flex is supposed to feel like latex, and I did try a latex mattress at a local manufacterer this fourm reccomends (the beds there were outside of my price range) and I didn't quite like the way the all latex mattrress felt. But if it's an all foam mattreess, I want something that's going to provide as much support and "pushback" as possible underneath the comfort layer, so I'm thinking the "bouncy" nature of the latex-like flex might be best at that? Not sure, though.

- the 35 or 45 IFT bottom layer. I'd think I'd want the 45, but the person at comfort option I spoke with said the 45 tends to get more complaints and I might still want the 35.

The benefit of comfort option is, as I understand it, I can have them send in as many layers to try as I want, so I can mix and match over the trial period, but I still want input from people here, and/or if I should look at other places entirely: I know there are more reccomended manufacters here on this site, but the caveat is that I need at least like a 2-3 month trial period where it can be refunded or returned where the mattress is picked up or donated, and I wouldn't need to handle return shipping.

What I'm really most interested in is getting advice on how to get the balance I want to where, even with a mattress protector, I can get that feeling of the foam compressing under me and hugging me a bit, but still have good support and upwards pressure back at me once I do, be that via a specific mattress or a specific mattress protector (I plan to also try Sheex)
04 Jul 2022 02:30
  • msnow
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Ordered the exact same topper and have the exact same issue.

There was no mention of a seam being required for a King on the website and the blue glue is so hard it is essentially a plastic divider between the two pieces. It is shockingly bad that I assume this can't be the correct adhesive being used.

Sent Brooklyn Bedding pictures and video. I assume they will respond after the Holidays but this might be the most disappointed I have been in a product in awhile.
22 Jun 2022 13:22
  • gilly777
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Thank you very much for your thoughtful response! I will take a look at those options tonight and get back with my wife. Recently while doing research I have found a company called sleep essentials that has multiple YouTube videos describing how lots of flame retardant chemicals used in the safety process are very harmful. His notion is that 100% latex bad that he sells has none of those and it seems as if it has a decent warranty compared to what the norm for the industry is. I did also find some threads on here and elsewhere that said that the customer service was lacking. I certainly don’t wanna get burnt on a bed that changes what I even think I want with bad customer service if I don’t like it. My wife and I have never sat on a latex bed and I’m wondering if I will like it.
18 Jun 2022 18:38
  • pokejc
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Hello Nikki or admin!

My past two purchases with latex mattresses from a reputable vendor that you list on your website have failed for my wife (used every possible Talalay combinations possible and the "springy" feel of the latex causes my wife to have back and neck pain). While I understand this site recommends latex a lot, I want to avoid it 100% (unless it's like a 0.5 in layer somewhere) and I also want to avoid memory foam 100% b/c I know my wife hates it.

My wife is ok with most top end hotel mattresses (like the Ritz, Grand Hyatt, etc.) and innerspring mattresses so I'm going with the innerspring option (although I won't be going with the big box brand). My wife probably has the worst track record of anyone I know for returns (even surprises the shops) with a 20 year track record of returning mattresses 10X. It probably has to do to the fact that she had a hard fall rollerblading and a car accident that exacerbated her condition.

Long story short, we live in Austin, looked for a local mattress company and found that urban mattress meets many of the requirements (durability, innerspring that my wife wants, local so she can try, etc.).

My wife sleeps on her back and sometimes rotates and sleeps on her side. We plan to start a family and I'm very worried that her mattress requirements will change at different stages of her pregnancy as she gains weight b/c she is so sensitive. She is ~150 pounds at 5'6 that equates to a BMI ~24 (higher range of normal). I realized that her sensitivity to our Talalay latex mattress has worsened with the pandemic since she gained weight (~15 pounds). My best guess is she's added pounds to her buttocks and that is putting additional strain on her back.

There are two mattresses that are at the top of our list:

1. Urban mattress - UPTOWN in plush (austin.urbanmattress.com/shop/product-collection/essentials/)

Specs: Outer layer - Stretch-knit fiber over 2 layers of 1.5 inch Certi-pur 3 lb HR Cold Foam; comfort layer - 2 inches of 3 lb Certi-pur 3 lb High Resiliency foam; 2.5 inch 1353 micro-coils; support layer - Plush: 884 8 inch pocketed coil with quantum edge 15.5/13.5 gauge;

2. Aireloom at Macy's (www.macys.com/shop/product/hotel-collection-by-aireloom-holland-maid-coppertech-silver-natural-14.5-luxury-firm-mattress-king-created-for-macys?ID=13681503)

I decided to axe out Aireloom b/c I'm suspicious of their lack of transparency on their foam layers. The thing is that my wife loves the thick "plush" top foam layer (visually looks like 3+ inches and much thicker top foam layer than any mattress I've seen in person) although it is a "firm mattress" which I thought would never work. I also think the depressions located near the buttons created by the hand tufting help her back b/c she sinks her buttocks on the depressions which help reduce pressure points on her back (my guess).

The questions I have are:

1. Does the uptown urban mattress have solid outer and comfort layers for durability? It is HR foam but I don't know if 1,2,3,or 4+ inches should be the ideal thickness of the foam layer.
2. Is the thickness of the foam layers (outer, and comfort) are thick enough to deliver comfort and put them among top manufacturers out there who make innerspring mattresses
3. Are there any other top mattress makers like urban mattress that can make a thicker outer layer of quality foam for an innerspring? Would it even make sense to do it? Best option I have so far is to buy this mattress and put an additional topper
4. I was told a fully adjustable base (e.g., lumbar, leg, etc.) would do wonders to relieve pressure. Would you agree this would be beneficial and especially during pregnancy? My wife used to put a pillow below her knees and sleep which seemed to help her. Using this logic, fine tuning and adjusting to relieve pressure via an adjustable bed does make sense.

I rambled a lot and have a lot of questions so I want to thank you in advance for helping.
12 Jun 2022 13:09
  • Bostonsnow
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For the past 20 years, I have stacked two 2 inch toppers over a very firm inner spring mattress. Sometimes the two toppers are identical (so essentially 4 inch of same material), sometimes I have had a firmer lower level 2 inch with softer 2 inch on top. 4 inches seems to be perfect to me (over a very firm support base).


I should add that part of the reason I like two stacked 2 " comfort layers stacked is because the support underneath (currently a firm mattress ) is very firm. If that mattress (or support layer if building DIY) was not as firm, then I might end up prefer 3 inch or comfort layer then.....
12 Jun 2022 12:56
  • Bostonsnow
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This is similar to what I do. Actually I've had the same relatively low cost FIRM simmons beautyrest pocketed coils mattress for over 15 years! I put a topper on top, and the fee is just right, and I replace the toppers when worn out.
Since the spring of the Simmons are firm, and it was the highest level of firmness of the model, and so there is minimal built in comfort layer in the mattress itself, its just does not wear out! Unless one is going to have kids jumping up and down on the mattress , such firm springs really will last a long time. I have seen no reason to replace the actual mattress since it is as good as new to me. I use memory foam toppers on top, and find they will tend to start to wear down in 3-5 years, so my only cost is replacing the topper every 3-5 years, quite a low cost. I've been doing this for 15 years or so.
I use memory foam but you could do the same with latex topper, which may well last longer than memory foam does.
If you have different opinions between you and your partner, as far as the topper you each can have a different topper. Thats what I do - my and my wife have different Twin XL beds next to each other to make it essentially into a split-King. If everything is of similar height, with bedspread on it really looks like a King.
12 Jun 2022 12:33
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For the past 20 years, I have stacked two 2 inch toppers over a very firm inner spring mattress. Sometimes the two toppers are identical (so essentially 4 inch of same material), sometimes I have had a firmer lower level 2 inch with softer 2 inch on top. 4 inches seems to be perfect to me (over a very firm support base).
09 Jun 2022 22:11
  • MattyJ
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Thanks for your response, Bill.

The problem that I have with Sleep EZ's explanation involves my understanding (very possibly wrong) of how mattress toppers work. I thought that they were designed so that the force applied by body weight at any particular point along the contact surface was absorbed almost entirely by the compression of the foam, so that the area below the topper hardly registered whether force was being applied or not--unless the topper was too thin. I thought that was why thicker toppers are recommended for very firm surfaces, because otherwise the sleeper would "bottom out," and his body weight would cause the topper to compress to the point that some part of the body would be almost in direct contact with the surface below the topper.

Relative to your example, you were essentially placing a second topper on the first. If you wanted to make your bed "firmer and more supported," that would indicate that the comfort layers, which function like a topper, had lost much of their ability to absorb the force of your body weight, and you were essentially bottoming out. If you had removed the old support layer, and simply added the latex, I think you would have had a better chance of producing a firmer feel.

What do you think?
28 May 2022 21:20
  • HH187
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We purchased a Sleeping Organic custom mattress in January 2021, and have been issues almost the whole time. Within less than a year, the mattress was starting to sink, with a consistent sink of at least 1 inch on each side. When we take the layers apart and lay them individually on the ground, there is no real visible sink on the layers. The sink will be gone for a few days after it’s put back together, only to eventually sink again. Essentially, it feels like the mattress lacks durability and resilience - and it feels like it’s lacking in quality. I don’t know how else to explain it, but we have had latex mattresses from 2 other companies (Dormio and Sleep On Latex) and have not experienced anything like this.

We have a Room and Board bed, with metal slats. We will be sending pictures and details to Sleeping Organic but we wanted to get advice here as well. Our configuration is below. Would love any advice as to how to explore and solve this. We’re both largely side sleepers, and both of healthy/moderate weight.

13” Tree - 4 Layer
Top: talalay soft
Mid comfort: Dunlop medium
Mid support (split): 1) Dunlop medium 2) Dunlop firm
Bottom layer (split): 1) Dunlop extra firm 3) Dunlop firm

My husband swapped out the medium mid support layer for a firm mid support layer, and he still keeps having an issue with the sinking. It’s gotten really uncomfortable for both of us. We both sink in and there feels like there’s no support (hips dipping quite a bit).

Any advice? Has anyone else dealt with this issue?

Thank you!
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