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26 Jul 2022 16:38
  • AlisonC37
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Hello there,

I am at 3+ months of mattress hunt and let me tell you I want this to end. I’m coming here for some help on what I hope will be my final decision.

For the last 3 years, I’ve been sleeping on a sinking innerspring mattress + 2 inches gel memory foam topper from wayfair. I have had upper back pain for the last year and a half and never thought it was because of my mattress, but because of the sedentary lifestyle due to lockdown and bad working from home set-up. Anyways, I’ve been looking for a new mattress.

After reading for a decent time this forum/website, I decided to go with the Silk & Snow (www.silkandsnow.com/en-ca/mattress/). Specs for this mattress seemed okay but finally it was way too soft for me, making my lower back pain worse.

I then told myself I would forget about all-foam mattress and would just buy a solid innerspring mattress to have a firm support and would then add a 1” inch memory foam topper in high density to get some pressure relief. With that idea in mind, I bought the Haugesund in firm mattress from Ikea as the specs seemed okay too (www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/haugesund-spring-mattress-medium-firm-dark-beige-10307306/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwof6WBhD4ARIsAOi65ahwziEVZF5P-kEJJgdi55MOMCOfdafebPbyeGkhkQzIaKracWmZt6kaAm7fEALw_wcB ). What a bad idea, it just made things even worse. The foam in the comfort layers is indeed firm, but the core of the mattress isn’t supportive enough so my hips are sinking too much. But because the foam is too firm, my middle back/upper back/ribs don’t sink and therefore I end up with an even more pronounced misalignment of the spine (hope that makes sense) (for the record I am only 120 lbs…). I have never been so sleep deprived. To improve things a little bit I put my old gel foam topper that I have been using for 3 years, it’s not that bad anymore but it still not ideal at all.

Here I am on my mattress hunt, again. I’ve been doing some mattress testing at Sleep Country (I live in Toronto, Canada) but it’s impossible to get specs for their mattress, even when you contact the brand (Serta, etc.). They just expect you to make a blind purchase at this point. I went to visit the showroom of the manufacturer Dreamstar, told Andy the vendor that I was looking for a properly supportive mattress and was recommended the Orthopedic supreme. I laid down on it for 10 minutes but it wasn’t doing it for me. I went home and thought about how hard it is to just find some good support. It is so basic but so hard to find. I went back and tried it again for 10 minutes but then I was sure it wasn’t for me as it was giving me the same feeling I have with my current Ikea mattress (pressure on middle/upper back, hips sinking too much). Hopeless, I tried the Prestige firm and I instantly felt what I was looking for: support. My hips weren't sinking and I could feel like I was sleeping on something horizontal, but with just enough pressure relief. Going back on the website these 2 mattresses are pretty similar in their construction. The only difference seems the number of coils (see below) but I was told that the number of coil doesn’t determine the firmness/quality of the support. I need to understand what makes the difference in the feel, if there is anyone who can give me some insight I would really appreciate. I want to make that purchase, sleep on it, heal my back and move on with my life.

Thank you for reading me and many thanks in advance!

Prestige firm
2” soy bio high density foam (was told by the vendor that foam is 1.8lb)
9” double tempered 13 gauge pocket coil
Coil count (FULL): 738
Total mattress height is 14”
More info: dreamstarbedding.com/products/prestige-firm

Orthopedic supreme firm
2” soy bio hight density foam (1.8lb)
9” double tempered 13 gauge pocket coil
Coil count (full): 682
More info: dreamstarbedding.com/products/orthopedic-supreme-firm
03 Jun 2022 13:24
  • monki
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If I believe their dreamstar website it is CERTIPUR:
dreamstarbedding.com/products/omega-latex
20 Feb 2022 21:36
  • phoenix
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H MisterDerp,

Thanks so much for the response Phoenix. Are you aware of any of the companies in Toronto able to advise me?


I do know of a number of stores providing good quality mattresses in and around Toronto; you already mentioned you are planning on visiting one of our Trusted members who are highly regarded by our subscribers, Dormio Organic Beds but as you say their organic lines, they are not inexpensive. They do have however lower budget range lineups that you may want to look at. Another Trusted Member, CBH Wood Furniture offers a very good quality/value bed system with a flippable (dual-comfort) mattress and a sleeping system that is innovative, unique, and robust that is worth checking out. They have a showroom in Toronto called Swiss Dream Beds. Also, our Trusted member Ghostbeds has a partnership with and is selling beds through Costco Canada. A few other Toronto options you may be interested in which have quality materials and products:

Factory Direct Manufacturers: non TMU members
• If you want to look at poly and memory foam options BB Bedding Manufacturers St Clair Ave West, 23 Westmore Drive Unit #4 Rexdale, ON M9V 3Y7 416-747-0968 - Factory direct manufacturer in Rexdale. He has about 25 mattresses on the floor and can custom-build most mattresses. Uses Carpenter memory foam normally 4 lbs but can order higher density on request.
Factory Mattress 1650 Bayly Street, Pickering ON 905-837-0288-Factory direct manufacturer in Pickering, ON. They carry a range of mattresses including innerspring, latex, memory foam, and polyfoam that use high-quality materials. Some of them are manufactured by themselves but they also carry some additional manufacturers such as Dreamstar and Easy Rest that would also be worth considering. A mom-and-pop manufacturer who is doing things right.
A1 Quality Furniture 30-12612 Highway 50, Bolton ON 905-857-7899-Factory direct manufacturer in Bolton. Used to be Flexopedic Mattress owned by two brothers, using quality materials. One of the brothers has retired and one is still involved with the new business which has the same phone number and they are still making similar mattresses using latex, memory foam, coils, and custom sizes.
Foamite Industries 1000Edgely Blvd Concord ON 905-66-0477- Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. Makes a range of latex, memory foam, and hybrid mattresses.
Springmade Mattress Inc. 110 Norfinch Drive Unit 7 North York ON 416-736-9003 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. Has been making mattresses for 15 years and uses quality materials. He will also custom manufacture. Has access to any foam or density a customer may wish. See this thread for more feedback about them.
Fantastic Sleep Shop 268 Rutherford Rd, South Brampton ON 905-455-0085 - Factory direct manufacturer in Brampton. Talked with Frank the owner and he can custom build any type of mattress but focuses on more economical models in the store due to the economy in the area. Good people.
Ideal Mattress 5015 Maingate Drive Units 34-37 Mississaugua ON 905-624-2614 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto and Mississauga. Talked with Kristina who with her brother is the owner and she clearly is knowledgeable about mattress materials and manufacturing and uses good quality materials. They also carry Kingsdown but I would tend to focus on the mattresses they manufacture unless you have a compelling reason to choose a Kingsdown. Uses a zip cover so customers can see what is in their mattress. There are some good quality options here and we had a good conversation although there has been some occasional feedback on the forum that they were "downplaying" or steering some customers away from some of their lower budget mattresses that may also be good quality/value
Quality Mattress Factory 2700 Unit 2 Toronto ON 416-760-7007 - Factory direct manufacturer in Toronto. They make traditional innerspring/polyfoam mattresses using a range of foam quality but mostly higher density 1.8 lb and higher. will disclose the foam densities for anyone who asks.
Dreamtime Bedding 116 Milvan Dr North York ON 416-741-2337 - Manufacturer in North York. They are mostly wholesale but have a showroom at the factory and will sell direct to consumers as well. They make a full range of mattresses including innerspring, memory foam, and latex and will disclose and help educate their customers about the quality of all the materials in their mattresses.

Retailers:
Soma Sleep 100 Bridgeland Ave Unit C Toronto ON 416-789-2337
Retail outlet in Toronto. Knowledgeable and they carry a wide range of mattresses made by many
independent manufacturers including Natura, Greensleep, Springwall, SleepTek, Savvy Rest,
Magniflex, Tempurpedic, and Hypnos which are all high quality but make sure you make some careful
"value" comparisons as many of these tend towards premium prices.

Ton Furniture 647-839-5672 - Retail Direct outlet in Toronto. Works closely with Dreamstar (a wholesale manufacturer in Toronto) and knows his stuff. Is focused on quality and value and can also arrange to have a mattress custom built. Normally sells online only but will make an appointment to visit his warehouse with 2 hours notice. Sells latex, memory foam, and traditional poly and innersprings. There are some good comments about them in post #6 here

Wholesale Manufacturers: non TMU members
These don't sell factory direct but through retail stores but are smaller manufacturers and are made in Toronto and will often have better quality/value than other larger alternatives (depending on the retailer). A call to each of these (or a retail locator on their site) will give you a list of the retailers near you that carry them. Local manufacturers like these will typically be much more open about providing the specs of the materials they use to their retailers.
www.dreameasy.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto connected with Foamco. I had a long conversation with Arun there and they are doing things right and focused on quality and value and not giving into the pressures to use lower quality foams.
www.dreamstarbedding.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto. They make a complete range of mattresses including latex, innersprings, memory foam, and hybrids that are good quality and can have good value.
• Endless Comfort . Wholesale manufacturer in Woodbridge, ON. Makes a range of mostly innerspring and memory foam/innerspring hybrids and makes some of the house brands that are seen around Toronto.
• galaxybedding.ca/ Wholesale manufacturer in Etobicoke, ON that, makes a range of innerspring, memory foam, and latex hybrids and may have some better quality/value as well.
www.marshallmattress.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Toronto, ON. they are the manufacturer that "marshall coils" (pocket coils) were named after and they make a range of high-quality mattresses.
• sleepinnmattress.com/ Wholesale manufacturer in Etobicoke, ON. they make a full range of mattresses including latex, innersprings, and memory foam.
There are also quite a few other manufacturers most of which don't have websites and who I haven't talked to so I'm not including them because the GTA is notorious for opportunistic manufacturers who are here one day and gone the next and use questionable materials and sources. There certainly is a wide variety of good choices here

I'm a relatively standard BMI, 22, but have had some lower back issues. Specifically disc herniation in my lumbar. this is why I have tended towards the beauty rest which according to the sales material has better support for lower back. Whether or not this is just lies I don't know!


You did not mention your sleeping position(s), but thanks for including your other stats… lower back issues can be indicative of spinal misalignment and lack of proper support; however because of disc herniation you may need extra attention to proper alignment – you may want to work hand-in-hand with your healthcare provider to ensure proper alignment. As you do have some very specific health considerations, nothing can replace your own personal testing. You’d obviously want to consider something that allows for enough surface comfort, and also assists with pressure point relief, while still overall being resilient enough and provide enough support while sleeping. Overall, the two basic functions of a mattress are to support and to provide comfort (you can read more about the basic functions of a mattress here ), with posture and alignment being the first priority and then comfort/ pressure relief “plushness” coming second.

Because you are lighter, depending on your sleep positions you might not need a very high mattress; this could cut down on costs a bit, you should discuss this with Dormio or CBH Wood when you visit.

Good luck and let us know how you are doing with testing and narrowing down a few good alternatives when you have a chance
Phoenix
04 Feb 2022 01:56
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Hi dpuiatti.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

Hi there, I'm really trying my best to digest all the wonderful information on this site. The technical specificity is very thorough, but it's difficult for a layperson like me to absorb all the industry lingo and make a decision.

You are not alone! It’s too bad that consumers have to dig deep into the “guts” of a trade to be able to make an informed buying decision. No worries, in one way or another many of our subscribers and followers, have similar initial experiences and thoughts.

{QUOTE]. After reading through the mattress selection process guide I think I have arrived at a vague understanding of what I should try: a queen-sized latex comfort layer mattress with a latex/innerspring support layer. [/QUOTE]
The type of mattress is more of a preference than a need but it’s good to see that you settled on hybrid latex or an all latex mattress as there is little that can go wrong with that in terms of durability.

I managed to narrow down my search to these two options, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on these:
• Dreamstar Midnight Comfort Mattress
• The Crown Series

As far as the two mattresses you narrowed your search to, there is a little more leg work that needs to be done. I do not see anywhere on their sites the breakdown of all the layers and components in each of these mattresses.

Even though they state that the Crown is advertised as having a “thick Talalay latex topper” and foam encased pocket coil unit they do not list the thickness of the Talalay inside the mattress and also the density of perimeter edge foam.
The Crown series is 14-inch in height. Typically, a pocket coil is 6 – 8 inches thick (rarely 10”) which leaves 6 inches unaccounted for. I seriously doubt that the Talalay is 6” height in a $700 queen mattress so I suspect that there are other less quality foams in this construction. I also don’t understand what a 5-layer pocket coil foundation is. The same goes for the Dreamstar.

I’d keep in mind that outside of whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP ... a mattress is only as good as the quality of the materials inside it so regardless of the name of the manufacturer ... I would need to know the specifics of what was inside any mattress you were considering to make any meaningful comments about the quality of the materials (see this article ).

The safest route to go is to call the shops and determine how knowledgeable they are and find all these mattress specs from the retailer.

Generally, if we are considering a mattress from an outlet that knows less than we do or isn't able (nor willing) to provide the most basic quality specs about their mattresses ... or that sells mattresses based on marketing tactics (such as stories or fake sales) ... then the odds are high that we'll end up with a lower-quality and higher-priced mattress ... unless we take the time to find the information needed to make meaningful quality/value purchase decisions. As the first step on your lookout for a new mattress, I'd look for a transparent company that provides facts and meaningful information on their site and I'd dismiss vendors that do otherwise. There are many outlets out there that do things the right way and typically they are those that are a pleasure to deal with.

If you are finding products that you are considering and provide the mattress information listed here to compare the quality of the materials and components to the mattress durability guidelines here I’d be happy to be of assistance.

Phoenix
02 Feb 2022 17:13
  • dpuiatti
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Hi there, I'm really trying my best to digest all the wonderful information on this site. The technical specificity is very thorough, but it's difficult for a layperson like me to absorb all the industry lingo and make a decision.

After reading through the mattress selection process guide I think I have arrived at a vague understanding of what I should try: a queen-sized latex comfort layer mattress with a latex/innerspring support layer.

I am 6'4 and 220 lbs, I sleep on my back and side and regularly have lower back and upper back pain on my current mattress. My girlfriend is 5'8, 160 lbs, sleeps on her back and side and has no pain issues. Both of us prefer a firmer feel to our mattress.

I managed to narrow down my search to these two options, and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on these:


17 Dec 2021 09:08
  • Olek_Bolek_Lolek
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Hey NikkiTMU,,

Thanks a lot for the reply! I had my viewing the other day and it was good. I talked to Andy from Ton Furniture and he mentioned that the poly foam density is around 2 lbs but I was a little confused as to what he meant because he mentioned 2 lbs, 3 lbs, 4 lbs, and 5 lbs densities for the foam but I was under the assumption the poly foam ranges from regular polyfoam at less than 1.5 lbs/ft^3, HD at 1.5 lbs/ft^3 to 2.5 lbs/ft^3, and HR was anything over 2.5 lbs/ft^3. I did a factory tour and got to see the mattresses being made and everything looked all right for me though I doubt that I could pick up at a glance if something was wrong just because I am no expert in this area.

I ended up testing out a bunch of the DreamStar mattress there and the Chiro Firm seemed good but not as firm as the mattress I currently sleep on (not bad in any way though just mentioning I sleep on a firmer mattress for later). I really enjoyed the DreamStar Omega Latex mattress and was considering paying a little more for that one. I learned that the coils are 13 gauge for the Chiro and 5 turns per coil all individually wrapped. Everything felt good while I was there and Andy was open to discuss or show me anything I wanted to see, so that was very reassuring.

The Omega Latex is considered firm but Andy mentioned it is slightly firmer than the Chiro firm and that the polyfoam core will hold up longer over time but did not pressure me to go with either and said that both the Chiro firm and the Omega Latex were good choices. The specs on the Omega Latex were:

14" thick, euro pillow top mattress

Quilting Layer
- Wool blended pillow top

Comfort Layer
- 2" all natural hypo-allergenic TALALAY latex
- 2" polyfoam called bio foam (density seems to be between 2 - 2.5lbs)

Support Layer
- HD polyfoam (not sure how many inches, but density should be around 2-2.5 lbs)

Construction
4" thick, bio foam encasement (360' edge support)

I really enjoy firmer mattresses and felt that the omega latex was slightly firmer and maybe it would hold up better over time compared to the springs but I am not really sure if that is sounds reasoning or if I need to request more information from Andy or DreamStar. I've traditionally only slept on coil or hybrid mattress with polyfoam on top and pocket coils as the support core. I mostly sleep on my back and really enjoy that firmness you get when your back is properly supported and your not sinking into the mattress. Both the Chiro Firm and Omega Latex seemed to do that well.

Stuck on my decision now but leaning towards just getting the Omega Latex. Just hoping that an all foam mattress wont be a big change for my back since I'm so used to that firmness from coil mattresses.

Tahnks again NikkiTMU! I will get back to you with a decision and update on which mattress I pick. Hopefully some other Canadians can chime in before I do but I'm in the process of moving so I will probably end up grabbing something sooner rather than later.
16 Dec 2021 19:25
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Olek_Bolek_Lolek.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

I'm glad you've found the resources here educational and useful. That's what we are here for! Empowering consumers to make educated and informed purchases is what we do and we're so glad when that mission is accomplished.

Time and again, I am astonished at the sort of difficulties that Canadian consumers face! The Luma mattresses are wonderful, but I can't speak to their fees with regards to tax, etc. You may want to reach out directly to ask them how that would impact the price.

With regards to your mentioning upper back pain... I'm going to steal some words from Phoenix: Mid and upper back issues can also come from several sources. In the case of the upper body then good horizontal alignment is important but lateral (side to side) alignment is also important. For example if you bend your head and neck forward towards your stomach and bend the upper body forward into a forward hunched position then it can bend the upper spine and create tension and pain in the mid and upper back. This can happen during the night if your pillow is too high for example and pushes your head forward when you sleep on your back. It can also happen if the upper layers are too thick and soft.

In the same way ... if you push your arms and shoulders forward into a forward slouched position then it can also create tension and soreness in your mid or upper back. This can come from a mattress that has comfort layers that are too thick and/or soft and allows your torso to sink in a little too far but "holds up" the lighter shoulders (pushing them forward).

In both cases your muscles will be tense and working throughout the night to maintain alignment.

Upper back issues can also point to a pillow that is either too high or too low for your body type or sleeping position and doesn't maintain the gap between your head and the mattress and keep your head and neck if good alignment over the course of the night which can affect the upper back as well.

DreamStar Chiro Firm - $799


Do you happen to have the foam density available to you? They don’t list specifics of the density of their foams, so unfortunately there’s little meaningful information available to offer an opinion about the product. If you do find out any more complete specifications, feel free to post back here and I’ll be happy to comment upon them.

Silk & Snow Hybrid - $900


The most recent information I have available to me suggests they use a 1.8 lb foam which is the minimum recommendation we'd make in terms of durability, so it's right there on the cusp.

I'm hoping other Canadian consumers can also chime in here. How was your testing on the DreamStar?
NikkiTMU
15 Dec 2021 11:18
  • Olek_Bolek_Lolek
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Hello everyone,

I just found this website a few days ago and have been going on a deep dive through all the information available. I have been trying to find a quality mattress in the $700 - $1000 CAD range in and around the Toronto area or shipped in if shipping and taxes are not going to push me over my max budget of $1000 (some slight wiggle room to that number, maybe around $100).

I'm 6' 2" (188cm) and my weight is usually around 180 lbs (81.6 kg) but has gone up to around 200 lbs and as low as 170 lbs in the past. I have only ever consistently slept on an innerspring or hybrid mattress that was on a box spring. My preference is a firm mattress due to sleeping primarily on my back with some occasional side sleeping (if I had to guess 70% back and 30% side).

In the past and currently I can get back pain (usually more upper back pain so maybe it's because I sleep on firmer mattress that don't have enough pressure relief?) if I sleep on my mattress for more than 8 hours so I don't typically sleep longer than that, but this is pretty rare.

So far I have taken a look at:
GhostBed
Luma Sleep
MFC
Dormio
NestBedding
Arizona Premium Mattress
Arizona Sleep EZ Factory
CBH Wood Furniture

But all of those are outside of my price range once tax or shipping was included with the exception of Luma Sleep which I am considering but am not sure on if there is duty fees, GST/HST, broker fees, and other import fees since it would ship from the USA to CAN.

Currently from this forumI have found two other mattresses that I am considering along with the luma sleep original mattress:
DreamStar Chiro Firm - $799
Silk & Snow Hybrid - $900
Luma Sleep Original - 1171.69

I'm suppose to go see the DreamStar Chiro tomorrow to see how it feels but am just worried about the quality of these two mattresses. From a quick skim of the forum it seems both are decent but the DreamStar has no trial period so if I end up disliking it I have 10 days to exchange it whereas the Silk & Snow has a 100 night trial period. The Luma sleep seems good and are a trusted member of this site which is reassuring but I am not familiar with buying anything of this worth from the USA and shipping it to CAN. I have read on this forum that I may have to pay duty fees, broker fees, GDT/HST which would blow the price up.

If anyone has any other recommendations or has experience with these three mattresses or manufacturers I would really appreciate any feedback. I will put the specifications of the DreamStar and Silk & Snow mattresses below.

Silk and Snow Hybrid 12 inch mattress
med. firm

Comfort Layer
- 1" Luxury quilted cooling gel foam and hollow fiber
- 2" Gel memory foam
- density of the cooling gel unknown currently
- density of the gel memory foam unknown
- foams made by Vitafoam in Toronto
- fabric made by Fine Cotton in Toronto

Support Layer
1000 pocket coils for queen
- wire gauge size unknown currently
- Coils made by Salwan Family in Toronto

Construction
- zoned construction
- Firmer middle zone for lumbar support

DreamStar Chiro Firm 13 inch mattress
Firm

Quilt
- 1.5" - Imported soft stretchable bamboo fabric
- Premium ultra foam + 30 oz high grade wool blend fiber

Comfort Layer
- 3/4" insulator pact lumbar + center support
- 2" high density bio foam (polyfoam)
- density of the bio foam (polyfoam) unknown currently

Support Layer
- 884 3 zone individually wrapped pocket coils, 13.5 gauge
- 360 degree foam encasement (firm edge)

Construction
- zoned construction
- Firmer middle zone for lumbar support

Big thanks to everyone on this website for providing all this information to help educate myself on the manufacturing and distribution of mattresses. Really opened my eyes to an industry I never thought much about.
29 Nov 2021 14:46
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I thought I would highlight a couple of my purchases recently. Purchased 2 mattresses in the last 4 months. One king for my wife and I from MFC (in August) and one double for my teenage son from TON Furniture (arrived today).

If not for this site, I would not have found either and would probably have been back to Sleep Country or National Mattress.

MFC – Very easy transaction. I didn’t want the “free pillows” so Mario removed them from the transaction. Went with a customized presto latex in king - firm layers with a top layer of medium. I am a stomach sleeper and need something really firm or my back gets sore. Chose the Tencel cover since I have a love/hate relationship with the wool topper that I have and didn’t want a layer of quilted wool. Mattress is great so far. My only regret is that I chose to have it shipped in layers instead of assembled. I thought it would be easier for me to carry each layer than the mattress as a whole. It was easy to carry each layer but the mattress was difficult to assemble and shoving each layer into the Tencel cover was also difficult. The real test will be how well it holds up on my wife’s side as she sits on the bed a lot to watch tv, use her tablet, etc.

TON – Also a very easy transaction. Sent a note on their website asking a few questions. Replied back through email and suggested coming into the showroom to look at the models. Took my son into the showroom and he tried a few of them. One of the mattresses we wanted to see was not in the showroom and is not one sold on the TON site but he took us to the Dreamstar factory floor to look at it. Pretty neat seeing where the mattresses are made. My son ended up liking the Dreamstar Omega mattress best but I worried the quilting on top was too thick and soft. I also didn’t understand the point of having so much quilting on top of a layer of latex. Like another person posted above, TON offered to have Dreamstar make it with the firmer/thinner quilting and we did that. Mattress was just delivered today just over a week after ordering it – Omega Latex mattress customized with a firmer quilting. My only regret with this one is that I spent a bit more on my son’s mattress than I originally wanted. I could have steered him to a cheaper model but in the end figured the extra couple of hundred $$$ was not a big deal. One final comment – not that it matters, but Its not clear if TON is a separate authorized Dreamstar dealer or what the exact relationship is between the two.

So thanks again to the forum for highlighting some of the manufacturers and other options out there.
02 Apr 2021 07:56
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Hey pngm1,

Welcome to The Mattress Underground :) ! Thanks for your question.

I just wanted to thank you for putting together this information about Toronto mattress stores/manufacturers and helping me make a more informed consumer choice. In my case, my goal wasn't to get the best possible A++ mattress but to simply get a decent B+ mattress I could afford. For reference I'm a 120lbs side and stomach sleeper (mostly side). I went into this only knowing two things: I hate memory foam and I don't like pocket coils. So that led me in the latex and polyfoam direction.


Thanks for the your kind words on the site, pngm1 :) ! I am happy that you've found these resources useful in your mattress shopping research. Good work on narrowing down the focus to specific materials that you have a definite preference for. You have set a budget, determined your preferences, and identified materials: you are ready for action!

I looked a lot of forum posts on here and ended up checking out two places: Ton Furniture and Springmade (sorry Dormio... I just couldn't afford it). After meeting with both I was confident I would end up with a decent mattress from either and that Springmade would let me really perfect the layers, but I went with Ton Furniture because the timing would work out better.


Happy to learn that you have access to COVID-safe showrooms in your area and that you feel confident on making a purchase from either of your two resources. From your positive tone, I trust that you found both Ton Furniture and Springmade to be equally transparent and reliable? Are you good with their exchange/ return policies and product warranty?

I ended up ordering the Dreamstar Omega Latex mattress. The comfort layers are 2" talalay latex with 1" of 1.9lb polyfoam underneath, and the core is 2.1lbs polyfoam I think. I'm getting the quilting customized because it was pillowy and I prefer a flatter surface.


Congrats on your new Dreamstar Omega Latex mattress purchase :) ! Thanks for including the product specs, this seems to be a solid choice in terms of polyfoam grade. Generally speaking, in a one-sided mattress construction, a 1.8 lb density for a comfort layer is a recommended minimum grade in terms of durability, and a 2 lb + range is suitable for a polyfoam support core . Pretty cool that they offered a customized quilting cover for your lower profile surface preference, pngm1; that's a nice touch of personalization.

The mattress felt great from a PPP perspective and just as importantly, I feel like I have at least SOME sense of what I'm actually buying instead of it being a total shot in the dark.


This is great news that all of your boxes have been checked off and congrats on a successful mattress shopping journey! Keep us updated on your experience after an initial sleep adjustment period of 30 days or so as we will be interested to hear your thoughts on performance.

Thanks,
Sensei
28 Mar 2021 10:31
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I just wanted to thank you for putting together this information about Toronto mattress stores/manufacturers and helping me make a more informed consumer choice. In my case, my goal wasn't to get the best possible A++ mattress but to simply get a decent B+ mattress I could afford. For reference I'm a 120lbs side and stomach sleeper (mostly side). I went into this only knowing two things: I hate memory foam and I don't like pocket coils. So that led me in the latex and polyfoam direction.

I looked a lot of forum posts on here and ended up checking out two places: Ton Furniture and Springmade (sorry Dormio... I just couldn't afford it). After meeting with both I was confident I would end up with a decent mattress from either and that Springmade would let me really perfect the layers, but I went with Ton Furniture because the timing would work out better.

I ended up ordering the Dreamstar Omega Latex mattress. The comfort layers are 2" talalay latex with 1" of 1.9lb polyfoam underneath, and the core is 2.1lbs polyfoam I think. I'm getting the quilting customized because it was pillowy and I prefer a flatter surface.

The mattress felt great from a PPP perspective and just as importantly, I feel like I have at least SOME sense of what I'm actually buying instead of it being a total shot in the dark.
09 Feb 2021 16:04
  • pmperron
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Hello Mattress Underground,

I wish I found you weeks ago! You’re truly a great resource. Now that I’ve read all I could on your website in regard to my situation, I’d like to have your opinion.

I'm about to return a queen-sized Recore mattress to Goodmorning.com. Too hot for me. I’m a very hot sleeper. Also too firm. I like a mattress that’s more soft than firm.

www.recorebed.ca/shop/recore-latex-mattress/

I mainly sleep on my back, but also on my side. I have a strong built, 6 feet and 225 lbs, v-shaped with broad shoulders and smaller hips. I also have lower back pain from a still-fragile herniated disc.

I’m thinking of going for a 3-4 inch pure Talalay latex comfort layer (semi-firm around 25 ILD), with either a 7-8 inch pure Talalay latex (firm around 35 ILD) or a quality pocket coils support layer.

I'd like to know if it makes sense to you. Is it overkill? Thinner layers are easier to find, and more affordable. I’d like to keep it under $2000 CAD ($1500 USD) all included if possible.

I’m located in Montreal, Canada. The two best rated manufacturers in the Province are located 2 hours away. I trust their quality, and a road trip to test these options is feasable.

matelashoude.com/en/mattresses/le-pure/

matelashoude.com/en/mattresses/le-reve/

www.matelaslapensee.ca/product/comfort-royal-mattress/

Not both though. They’re in opposite directions from home. I think Matelas Lapensee would be opened to tweak that mattress, and migth be negociable, but not Matelas Houde.

There’s also the following mattress very close to home, but I’m worried about the independent sections and the 2 inches of eucalyptus fiber. And there’s no try-out or return.

www.futondor.com/product/beds-and-mattresses/natural-mattresses/boreal-natural-mattress/

Also, this one’s very affordable, but I had a bad experience with a sofa there, and I can't get answers from them. Not very reassuring for a comfort layer with coils.

www.meublesrd.com/en/mattress-dreamstar-017904

I could also contact the following manufacturers for quotes. They’re closer to home than Houde and Labontee. But I’d be starting investigations from scratch.

Laurier Bedding
Provincial Bedding
Princess Mattress
Excellence mattress
Prestige mattress
Luxor mattress

I think if I could keep it between the Comfort Royal mattress from Matelas Labontee (in latex foam) and the Boreal Natural mattress from Futon d’Or, I’d be a very happy man.

I’d make a couple of calls and go test them if I like what I hear.

What do you guys think?

I look forward to your comments.

Thanks for reading me to the end!

- PM
15 Sep 2020 15:45
  • phoenix
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Hi A-Raw.

I'm using a stuffed latex pillow or no pillow at all.. my shoulder is quite small and if I use a pillow, it bends my neck upward.


I would not remove the pillow entirely but add a very thin pillow to elevate your head as the lack of a pillow will also add reverse curvature and cause misalignment. You can try opening your pillow and removing some latex shreds to remove some loft. If you don’t want to open the pillow you can experiment with a folded soft plush towel and see what the best head elevation is for you. But again this has to be done independently from anything else so that you can assess the result.

(Quote from Sept 13 post) I switched the lumbar back to a 3 and I switched the shoulder from a 1 to a 2 and it increased pain from the 1
I don't get it. There's no distinguishable pattern I'm seeing here. The pattern seemed to be firmer is better, but that was not the case with the shoulder

Two days later….

(Quote from Sept 15 post)I've been changing one piece of foam to a 3 every night, starting with the hip, then the shoulder..
my bed is now 1 3 3 3 ....... (1 being the head)
each change to a 3 reduced the pain, but i woke up sore today sleeping on all the 3s (not pain in the night, but soreness in the morning)


Looking at you repost on Sept 13 … it seems you switched two zones at the same time which means changing two variables at the same time. This approach does not allow you to draw a clear inference as you can’t be sure what change contributed to your pain, soreness, or both. “Switching” is not changing one variable at a time.

Following nights ..(Sept 14, 15)

Looking at your report on Sept 15 .. this time you seem to be approaching it correctly ..to see a “pattern” you need to change only one variable/zone, keep everything else unchanged, and watch how your body reacts. (For clarification for others that may read your thread… As you have two side by side zones each with its separate horizontal zoning you are probably using the zones from the side you are not sleeping on. Correct?)

In this context, I would assess your shoulder separately in this equation. Firmer may be better for your back and hips, but softer may be best for your shoulder

I am wondering though- if the pain was my body's way of complaining that my posture was good and it isn't used to it... To me, soreness is definitely an indication of mis-alignment, but pain could be something else.


It also looks like you are also making a chart and taking some notes, but with your special circumstances, I’d also do a pain log as the pain will tend to move, and change depending on the zoning you use. Something like:
Date/Time Zoning used/Changes Pain Level Location of Pain Pain Type Response from previous Change

I slept fairly solid last night... I am wondering though- if the pain was my body's way of complaining that my posture was good and it isn't used to it... To me, soreness is definitely an indication of mis-alignment, but pain could be something else.


Correct .. this is what I call “learned” posture where the body is doing its best to cope with an inadequate sleeping arrangement up to a threshold where everything may go haywire. When the body readjusts to a better sleeping environment it can also result in some lower-level pain in the process of “unlearning” and readjusting.
There are many different kinds of pain… I’d watch if the pain is mild/sharp, localized/diffuse, if the pain moves, if the pain fades during the day… and so on. Soreness/numbness when you wake up indicates that you are dealing with some pressure points. Watch this as well and make notes.
Once you get the best alignment you can get, I’d consider investing in a comfort pad to add a bit more cushioning and create a cradle. As I previously mentioned I am not a chiropractor, but if you can’t get hold of someone more qualified for the time being this approach is the next best you have.

Do you know, for context sake, what the firmness map/profile of a one-size-fits-all zoned mattress like dreamstar looks like, just for context?


I am not familiar with the dreamstar one-size-fits-all zoned mattress firmness map/profile.

Quite a puzzle you have on your hands, but from where I stand it looks like you are making good progress. I do hope you are able to find a configuration that works for your entire body.

Phoenix
13 Sep 2020 08:53
  • A-Raw
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Do you know, for context sake, what the firmness map/profile of a one-size-fits-all zoned mattress like dreamstar looks like, just for context?
12 Aug 2020 06:57
  • MFC
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Hi A-Raw,

I'm happy you went and tried both options and that they both suit your needs. Personally, I'd choose something with some customization options, because you'll only really know if a mattress is right for you after sleeping on it for a few weeks. By choosing a customizable mattress you'll be able to fine tune the support and comfort and increase your odds of making the mattress just right for you. What are your options if the Dreamstar does not work for you?
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