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26 Jun 2022 18:35
  • SherryBin309
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I am also lIghtweight, but somewhat higher BMI than you, so understand it can be difficult to find materials that feel soft enough. Since a topper on the floor is working better than some mattresses you’ve tried, maybe a topper, or combination or a couple of soft toppers on almost any inexpensive mattress is worth exploring. I had some success with 15 ILD Talalay latex for a while. Also used a LaNoodle topper from Cozypure over that at times, and a wool topper at other times. The LaNoodle felt great but needed to be massaged or fluffed regularly to maintain its softness. Currently we have the convoluted Talalay latex topper from Flobeds and it is working pretty well, but I’m thinking I’ll want either a very thin memory foam or maybe wool layer over it for more pressure relief. Something else that caught my eye is the shredded latex topper sold by Flobeds. If you need something softer than straight memory foam or plush latex, the shredded, noodled and convoluted foams are one way to get there. Good luck in your search.
10 Jun 2022 19:56
  • Basilio
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Hi rhemy1,

Do you have a suggestion for a full latex mattress no coils. I weigh 226 lbs and tend to sleep on ever side. I’m 5’ 11”

It is difficult to make any suggestions with certainty, as again a mattresses comfort and ability to provide support while you sleep is unique to you having a unique body type and needs and preferences. Thanks for providing additional stats; I will say that at a higher BMI, while you’ll need to put a special emphasis on more durable materials and constructions and probably on mattresses that are thicker have firmer comfort and support layers (firmer materials feel softer for heavier people and firmer support layers are usually important to for good alignment for higher weights). I would especially make sure you read Post #2 here that has some generic guidelines for different body types and sleeping positions and post #14 here has more about the benefits of thicker comfort layers and thicker mattresses. You will likely want to look at firmer-feeling mattresses to provide enough support and prevent any misalignment in your spine or joint pain, but not that firm that it created pressure points since you are a side sleeper. This is to say that I would definitely run all of this summarized info by the retailer/manufacturer themselves as they are the best to know how their mattresses and designs work with different body types, weights, and sleeping positions. Which is why it is so important to speak with someone knowledgeable rather than be given a “script response” from a sales rep that has little to no experience with how the mattress works.

Since it sounds like you are leaning towards an all latex mattress, some options from TMU trusted members list would include a DIY mattress construction under the direct supervision of a trusted member such as DIY Mattress , who allow you to create your own customized mattress, they have 2” and 3” layers of both Dunlop(this a denser, firmer latex with a ‘bouncy’ feel) and Talalay (A softer more responsive feel in case you like that better) of various firmness levels, allowing you to use for example, a Talalay layer at the top for comfort, with Dunlop below to provide support. By providing them your stats and sleeping preferences they can create a layered latex mattress which you can place on a base like a platform or adjustable bed frame.

Member Latex Mattress Factory specializes in mattresses for plus sized people and are extremely skilled in guiding consumers to good fit mattress on the DIY construction model, I would go for something with 10” of more of firmer natural latex mattress. (On the call I would make sure to mention the base model construction that you tested in the shop and liked) so that they get a better sense I’d start with these two and then see what other similar options you can find from other members that best fit your personal criteria (price, returns, warranties, and all else that is important to you) such as Flexus Comfort and CozyPure , who likewise offer all-latex mattresses. I have included a list below of all the trusted members who offer all-latex mattresses:
Arizona Premium Arizona SleepEZ Bay Bed & Mattress BioSleep Concept CBH Wood Furniture CozyPure DIY Mattress DIY Natural Bedding Dormio Organic Beds Flexus Comfort Mattress FloBeds Foam Sweet Foam Fox Mattress Gardner Mattress GhostBed Latex Mattress Factory Luma Sleep Mattress Makers Mattress To Go MFC My Green Mattress Nest Bedding Oklahoma Mattress Company Richmond Bedding Shepherd’s Dream Shovlin Mattress Factory Sleeping Organic Spindle Mattress Texas Mattress Makers The Beloit Mattress Company The Mattress Factory
It’s good to see that you started by eliminating the worst contenders then deciding the basics – the feel and firmness you want in a mattress, what materials or options you do or don’t want (like ‘no coils’) You are on the good track. Let us know how far you go and we’ll be happy to make additional comments on any of the mattresses you are considering.

11 May 2022 08:59
  • Bort Datsun
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Hi everyone,

I’m currently searching for a mattress with specific criteria, and I’m wondering if folks have specific recommendations I might consider.

Here’s the situation: As I recently posted , my wife and I currently have the Charles P Rogers Estate SE. It’s nearing the end of the 100-day trial period, and we’re leaning toward returning it.

I'm 170 lbs, 5'8", and mostly sleep on my back and side. She's 125 lbs, 5'7", and mostly sleeps on her side. We both find that the mattress is somewhat too firm.

For me, it seems like the Estate SE promotes good alignment (I don’t usually wake up with backaches), but has poor pressure point relief. It often feels like the upper layers are “bottoming out” under my hips and shoulders. I feel “heavy” on this mattress. For reference, this mattress’s comfort layer is 2” of 24 ILD Talalay latex.

Here’s what we’re looking for:

* Hybrid
* Natural materials. It doesn’t have to be organic. I’d prefer to avoid polyfoam if I can achieve the same level of comfort without it. My concern here is less about durability and more about indoor air quality/VOCs and impact on the planet.
* Medium firmness with good pressure relief
* Decent motion isolation
* Neutral or cooling temperature properties. I tend to sleep hot.
* Moderate price. The Charles P Rogers was ~$2,500 and I’d rather not go past $3k, which puts some of the typical natural options out of reach.

And here’s what we're considering:

Avocado Green with pillow top: I love this mattress’s natural materials and environmental certifications, but I suspect it will be too firm for us. Consensus seems to be that the version with the pillow top is approximately medium-firm, and that’s how it felt to us in the showroom. I suspect I’d be looking at adding a topper with this mattress.

Nest Owl Hybrid in medium: This mattress seems like a promising contender, but I’m not wild about the use of polyfoam, especially in the quilting. It's also a bit galling that Nest calls this foam "eco-friendly" with no justification for that description. I know it's not a huge durability concern because it's only 1.5 inches in an upper layer, though. There’s a Nest store in my city (Seattle, WA), and we’re going to check out this mattress tonight.

Nest Dove Hybrid in medium or plush: This might check most boxes, but it sure is expensive.

Keeping the Estate SE and adding a topper: If I do this, I’m looking to add maximum pressure relief with minimal height, since this mattress is already 13 inches thick. Is a 2” layer of soft Talalay latex my best option? I’m wondering if wool or the Cozypure LaNoodle Cuddle Top might be worth considering instead.

What else should I consider? I’d welcome any recommendations.
31 Mar 2022 06:50
  • Mattrebuild
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I couldn't find an explicit answer, so excuse me if it's been covered already. I wanted to confirm, is there anything that differentiates a topper vs a mattress, all else being equal?

For example, let's say a place sells a mattress with 2 layers of 3" 100% natural Dunlop, a firm and medium. Same place might have toppers for sale individually, including options for 3" 100% natural Dunlop with those same internal firmness ratings. Besides the name, free accessories (pillow, cover, etc), and price, are there any functional differences with the material?

As an aside, I'm working on losing enough weight to likely affect my mattress experience in the next year. I'm interested in 2-side firmness splits, like cozypure's 3" comfort later, so I can make adjustments along the way, if needed. However, CP doesn't sell those individually and the few others i've found are 6" thick (which I don't see the point to, given the price is similar to 2x3" layers in similar firmness ratings, which would be more versatile given the ability to arrange them separately). The few I've seen that fit the criteria I'm looking for are from dubious sources.

Short answer is no, there's no difference (aside from marketing). I also agree with you that using 3" layers makes more sense than a 6" layer since it's much easier to make adjustments and repair worn out layers over time. I'm sure someone else will come along and help you with places/sources to buy what you're looking for.
30 Mar 2022 21:37
  • djibjo
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First of all, thanks to everyone for taking the time to share their expertise here. Phoenix, you are a legend!

TMU helped me choose a college budget mattress about a decade ago. It's time to update, and I'm going with latex this time around.

I couldn't find an explicit answer, so excuse me if it's been covered already. I wanted to confirm, is there anything that differentiates a topper vs a mattress, all else being equal?

For example, let's say a place sells a mattress with 2 layers of 3" 100% natural Dunlop, a firm and medium. Same place might have toppers for sale individually, including options for 3" 100% natural Dunlop with those same internal firmness ratings. Besides the name, free accessories (pillow, cover, etc), and price, are there any functional differences with the material?

As an aside, I'm working on losing enough weight to likely affect my mattress experience in the next year. I'm interested in 2-side firmness splits, like cozypure's 3" comfort later, so I can make adjustments along the way, if needed. However, CP doesn't sell those individually and the few others i've found are 6" thick (which I don't see the point to, given the price is similar to 2x3" layers in similar firmness ratings, which would be more versatile given the ability to arrange them separately). The few I've seen that fit the criteria I'm looking for are from dubious sources.

Anyone have any leads?
27 Mar 2022 12:39
  • Basilio
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Hi szleep,

Apologies for the delay in responding; we wanted to see if any of our members here would weigh in. I would recommend a few places you can speak with, Trusted members of The Mattress Underground CozyPure on their dedicated forum page , or call DIY Natural bedding in Brooklyn Park, MN at 763-445-9676,(open Mon-Fri 9am-3pm CST) Shepherd’s Dream in Ashland OR at 541-708-5439 (open Tue-Sat 10:30am-5:30pm PST), and you can contact BioSleep Concepts in Riverside, CA at 951-536-1651(open Mon-Fri 9am-6pm PST). These are all excellent knowledgable sellers and hopefully they will be able to answer your question.

12 Mar 2022 22:08
  • buttercupbetty
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Thank you, Phoenix! There is a lot to unpack there. I will read through it again.
My pillow is about 2 years old. It is shredded latex from Cozy Pure.


Maybe it is getting compressed and too low...I will investigate. My body type is fairly height-weight proportionate and my BMI is about 20-21.

It is fun to research and learn more :)
28 Feb 2022 09:48
  • Basilio
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Hi Downinahole,

Debating going out to the mattress store in Annapolis who you recommended here as a retailer near me

Not sure which retailer in Annapolis you are referring to – CozyPure is in Norfolk, VA and Richmond Bedding is in Richmond, VA.

but it’s like an hour away and they no longer carry restonic-only Sleepwell latex. Wondering if you can comment on the brand. Thanks.

Restonic has several retailers in or near Annapolis including Macy’s at 1295 Annapolis Mall and Havertys at 4510 Mitchellville Road in Bowie MD; They are manufactured by Scott Living, and they have Dunlop and Talalay latex options. The Slpp Well Collection was what they called their line of products in 2017; While I could not find much info on them, as long as you keep in mind the mattress specifications you need to know and mattress durability guidelines you can try them out in person; but without any information on components or construction, I would not be able to comment on this mattress.

15 Feb 2022 14:29
  • Basilio
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Hi Downinahole, welcome to The Mattress Underground, Glad to have you here :)

We have had our mattress for about 8 years and it was a cheap memory foam which was nice till it started sagging in the middle and making me fall into my hubby’s hole at night. Also, we both started to have back pain which has gotten worse over time and seems related to the mattress at least in part as I think we both started having problems around the same time

Sorry to hear you are having issues with your old memory foam mattress. I agree, unless you know all the specifications you should avoid any mattress whose components do not meet Mattress Durability guidelines , which it looks like you have seen. This is a good place to start, but which types of mattress are you considering? You have had a poor experience with your foam mattress, are you considering another, or only a latex or hybrid one? What materials do you prefer?

We do have a storage bed frame but it seems to be pretty sturdy

Even though the Memory foam is “cheap and sagging” and clearly a cause of pains and spinal misalignment you may still want to check that the foundation underneath does not sag under the weight of the mattress and people sleeping on it. Does the storage bed frame have center support to the floor? I’d Ask hubby to stand on different areas of the frame to see there is any give or bending, to make sure the foundation is not part of the problem as well and ensure that this foundation would be appropriate for a new mattress.

We do not usually recommend any mattresses or companies, as purchasing a new mattress is a personal choice, every person is different, and should be based on their specific needs and preferences. So we prefer that you go through the process starting with the mattress shopping tutorial and narrow it down to a few good mattresses for which you find the mattress specifications you need to know so that we can make comments that would better help orient you.

We want durability and comfort/support -budget is as high as it makes sense to go given quality differences (up to 5k but only if it’s a reeeeeallly good mattress)

$5,000 is a very generous budget given you chose correctly in terms of PPP (Posture and Alignment, Pressure Relief, and Personal Preferences) using the Durability guidelines , such mattress can last you a long time; After all a mattress is as good as the materials inside it. That being said, because of several the criteria you listed (“sleeping hot/cold issues, no chemicals and skin sensitivities”) CozyPure one of our Trusted members comes to mind, they are located several hours away from you in Norfolk, VA, but they offer great quality, excellent service, and offer natural organic products that you may want to take a look at and try. A shop visit and local testing is usually the best way to decide on the type of mattress you can do well with. CozyPure has a dedicated forum page here

He is 6’6 280 lbs 32 bmi 39 y/o
I am 5’6 128 lbs and 20.7 bmi 43 y/o
‘We both have back pain (mine mid to lower and some side) and he has hip pain
I prefer medium firmness (I guess) and he prefers a little firmer

Thanks for providing your stats; since there is a large weight differential between the two sleeping partners, you may want to look into a split side by side mattress configuration - this would allow you to choose a mattress suited to each of your personal preferences. You also might want to consider an adjustable base for your mattress as you seem to need some head elevation for your “breathing/chest heaviness issues”

I am perimenopausal and get the hots sometimes at night but don’t want to freeze either

Would prefer no chemicals and both have skin sensitivities

Since you are a ‘hot/cold’ sleeper, temperature regulation is important. Wool is known for its unique temperature regulating abilities, and is a natural material which keeps you warn in the winter and cool during summer. This would certainly benefit you when used in the cover or quilting in top layer. It has a structure that has a more porous inner core which can absorb large amounts of moisture without the moisture coming into contact with the skin. This moisture which is held inside the wool fiber itself can then evaporate in a more gradual process which helps to regulate temperature much better. Its’ also a natural fire retardant. Another material you may want to consider is latex which is the most durable of all types of foams, and a breathable material which would help you keep a neutral temperature range. You can see more about latex benefits in this post

He has a physically demanding job and I have a sedentary one where I sit at a desk at less than optimal angles and have awful posture from slouching.

Lower back pain, especially in the morning, could be indicative of improper spinal alignment. Since you have some pre-existing conditions, I checked with Phoenix, who mentioned recently buying a saddle stool to help with posture while sitting at the computer desk for long periods. You may consider looking at something similar to help with posture during work hours.

I like to have my head a little elevated for breathing/chest heaviness issues

Head elevation can be achieved with pillows (even wedge pillows) or with an adjustable base which has separate side of bed adjustment, allowing elevation of the head which can alleviate breathing issues. Another of our trusted members, as above, Richmond Bedding in Richmond VA carries an adjustable bed you can look at here.

The happiest consumer is a knowledgeable one!

I hope this helps,

20 Jan 2022 13:09
  • phoenix
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Hi chrisisinclair,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I have been looking for a nice protector or pad for my all latex foam mattress for awhile now but the manufacturer always advises me specifically to NEVER use any type of waterproof / membrane type protector. They claim that the latex foam needs lots of airflow and that with a waterproof protector it is extremely likely that the mattress will mold or that the life of the latex will be significantly reduced.

Generally, it's best to follow the mattress manufacturer's care. this said I oftentimes find in my research many conflicting opinions about just about every issue that concerns mattresses. Some of them are coming from people in the Mattress Industry that have decades of experience and I respect and consult often. Trying to resolve conflicting information from different sources can become a vast and difficult task. The best approach I found is a “blend” of science and intuition as usually both left and right-brained thinking by themselves can end up being misleading.

It is generally accepted that Latex breathes more than other foams and that natural latex also has an inherent resistance to mold and mildew and would have less likelihood of developing mold and mildew for these reasons. It's also true though that the development of mold and mildew would depend on a combination of several factors coming together. One of the most important of these is moisture (from the environment or the person on the mattress), one is the types of mold or mildew spores that are in the environment, and one is a food source (cellulose is one of these). For example, the temperature difference between a mattress and a solid surface foundation can play a role in condensation which would increase the odds that mold or mildew could develop. A cover or better yet an insulated cover on a foundation could help with this temperature differential vs just having a mattress on wood or metal.
How much of its beneficial qualities of cover and latex layer under the protector are “canceled out” depends on the type and fiber that is being used in the ticking or mattress protector.

A mattress breaths from all sides and you may want to consider a PU protector with breathable sidewalls or pads that have no walls at all, or as you mention … there is nothing wrong with cutting the side panels and sowing some sort of elastic band if you find just the right protector.

1. Has anyone used any of the membrane type protectors for extended periods of time (years) on a latex foam mattress and can comment on the condition of the foam? Did any of it mold or did any of it (especially the top layer of foam) start to turn a darker color or harden or flake?

I used a protector for more than a decade for my child’s all-latex mattress and I did not observe any development of mold/mildew. The latex layers were still in great condition even though I live in a humid area. (uppermost layer was 30/70 blended Talalay)
There are thousands of protectors with various cubic feet per minute (CFM) to assess the air permeability and also various Moisture Vapor Transfer Rates per day (MVTRs per 24 hours)
This is itself would great search criteria for protectors, product and material comparisons if anyone has time to get into it. Here is a good article with basics from Blister labs

. 3. Are there any PU membrane protectors (air permeable type) that ONLY go over the top of the mattress?

Protectors are typically 5 or even 6 faced but quite thin whereas pads can be a little ticker and can alter the mattress comfort and feel Post #10 here has more information about mattress pads, protectors and the difference between them. Halfway through post #89 here there’s more about the pros and cons of different types of mattress protectors for those who want (or don’t) to affect the feel and performance of their mattress. You may wish to check out some of our members here who have good pads/protectors that they recommend to use. Also have a look at different types of mattress protectors here and here .

5. Has anyone ever seen a water resistant but not waterproof mattress pad that still allows high airflow but is not a thick wool type cover?


There are types of synthetic fibers (such as coolmax ) that are specifically designed to draw moisture away from the skin and disperse it to the rest of the layer which can be effective as well.

As you are “concerned with issues related to water resistance and making sure the foam in this mattress has as much longevity as possible - body oils, light stains, mites, etc” you may want to consider natural fibers in your pad or protector. When you make your selection, I’d keep in mind that natural fibers are the most effective in terms of wicking and or storing moisture because synthetic fibers generally absorb moisture into the spaces, not the fiber itself. Artificial or "semi-synthetic" fibers (in between natural and synthetic) such as various types of cellulosic or rayon fibers (made from dissolved plant cellulose) are closer to natural fibers and do a good job of wicking moisture away from the body and ventilating. If you are considering placing the pad or protector between the latex and the pillowtop then the qualities of natural fibers are waisted as the layer is further away from the skin.

Generally, the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to the skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from the skin. Also, you may want to keep in mind that some synthetic protectors may emit higher levels of VOCs. That being said there are many types of protectors... There are quite a few tradeoffs involved between how breathable they are ... how much they will affect the feel of the mattress, the importance of natural materials, and of course cost. There is more about the choices and trade-offs involved and the amount of "protection" that may be important in post #2 here ) and in post #5 here ). Even though the post has some links to older products all other considerations still stand.

30 Dec 2021 19:02
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Is the Gotcha Covered cover still holding up? I'm torn over going waterproof or with something like St Dormier/CozyPure
07 Oct 2021 22:46
  • phoenix
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Hi miamaelia.

Welcome to our mattress forum! :)

A suitable pillow is an essential part of good alignment for the head and neck and upper body because the gap between the head and the mattress and the curve of the cervical spine needs to be supported just like all other parts of the spine. Like mattresses ... there are certain "needs" that depend on body type and sleeping positions but with pillows, personal preferences play a more important role because the face is much more sensitive to textures, temperature, smells, and other more subjective "feel" based properties of a pillow. There is more about choosing pillows in the pillow thread here and the other topics and sources of information that it links to that may be helpful.

In general terms ... side sleepers need firmer/thicker pillows to prevent the head from sinking too much which can cause misalignment and soreness in the neck and upper body area. Back sleepers need a slightly softer/thinner pillow that will support the cervical/neck area. Stomach sleepers do best with a very thin/soft pillow or no pillow at all. The type of mattress you sleep on and how deeply you sink into the comfort layers will also play a role in the type of pillow that is best. The deeper you sink into a mattress ... the "thinner" a pillow you will typically need.

Unfortunately choosing a pillow is like choosing a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved in choosing a pillow to make specific suggestions or recommendations for someone else. There is no single pillow that is "best" for any particular situation or "symptom" because the goal of a pillow is to keep your head and neck in good alignment in all your sleeping positions and which pillow does this for any particular person or on any particular mattress will vary widely from person to person. In other words, ... a pillow that works well for one person with upper back, shoulder, or neck issues may not be suitable at all for someone else with similar issues.

Pillows are also a very personal choice and different people will have very different pillow preferences or different opinions about what they perceive as firm and soft or the general type of pillow that "feels" good to them but some of the information in the pillow topic mentioned above and the posts it links to can help you choose a pillow that is the best "match" for you and the mattress you are sleeping on.

You may want to look into a pillow that has adjustable fill like the Pure Performance LaNoodle Latex Pillow custom-fill with zipper that can be fine-tuned to provide the right amount of support. This is manufactured by one of our Trusted members of our site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

I hope you have some time to peruse the information I provided, find something suitable, and return to share your experience on our mattress forum
24 Sep 2021 18:00
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Hi NCSteve07.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Congratulations on picking a stellar mattress. We look forward to hearing about your sleep experience once you've been able to test it through the break-in period.

Cotton is a natural fiber and as such is also highly breathable. Cotton is not going to be a culprit in sleeping hot. I also found this thread which seems relevant to your question in which someone mentioned their experience with the Cozypure "Pebble Pique Organic Cotton Stretch Knit Mattress Protector."

I took a look at the knit cover and can see it is polyester. While it certainly may be breathable, if you're sensitive to synthetic materials I'd steer clear of polyester which can contribute to sleeping hot.

I hope this helps!
20 Sep 2021 23:29
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Hi Venus,

Sorry to hear the Naturepedic EOS is not a good match for your sleeping needs and you had to return it. Thanks for sharing what worked and what did not with it.

I went back to read some of your past exchanges with several subscribers and was surprised to see that a DIY was your original idea back in 2020 (pocket coil and pre-compressed wool). The combination of intuition, accumulated experience, and knowledge may prove to lead you in the right direction. But before you go full speed ahead… it is good to remember that building your own DIY is a process of trial and error unless you are experienced and understand what different types of layers will do for you, how they interact with each other and with your body. You've tried many beds so you’d have some idea about what you need but I wouldn’t trust the advice that either I or any subscribers may have to offer in terms of personal preferences and needs as you are the only one that can feel what you fill on any particular mattress.

If you are looking into building your own DIY mattress out of separate components that are purchased from one or several different sources then the first place I would start is by reading option 3 in post #15 here and the posts it links to (and option #1 and #2 as well) so that you have realistic expectations and that you are comfortable with the learning curve, uncertainty, trial, and error, or in some cases the higher costs that may be involved in the DIY process. While it can certainly be a rewarding project ... the best approach to a DIY mattress is a "spirit of adventure" where what you learn and the satisfaction that comes from the process itself is more important than any cost savings you may realize (which may or may not happen).

I'm mostly a side sleeper and find that I need firm support but a comfy feel to the comfort layer that still keeps my spine aligned, offers pressure relief for shoulders and hips and doesn't cause great sinkage.

There are some other variables besides sleeping positions that will come into play when selecting a sleeping system. such as BMI, body type, body profile, sensitivities, etc which you did not mention but before you do I'd narrow things down a little more as described below.

So, I'm now considering the following:
Bottom layer: QE bolsa pocketed coils for firmness
Comfort layer: maybe a precompressed wool topper (3 -4 inches)
Any thoughts about whether this might work or whether it might be worth it to also add in a microcoil layer (eg from Hickory Springs) as the comfort layer (to put on top of the pocket coils support layer) in addition to the topper ? Or would the topper be sufficient for comfort and support over the pocket coils?
Recommendations for the whole height of this concoction?! (will be adding a wood bed frame that sits low).

Unfortunately, there are too many unknowns, variables, and individual preferences and complexities involved for me to be able to predict how you would feel on any combination of wool toppers in combination with any specific mattress (all the layers and components of your sleeping system will have an effect on all the other layers and components both above and below it. I also don't have any personal experience on the wool topper combinations that you may be considering or on any particular mattress but even if I had my experience could be very different from your own.

Also any recs for a good encasement ?

There are a few good sources available though that I know of ...
Arizona Premium mattress organic zippered covers
DIY Natural Bedding Organic Knit Ticking: www.diynaturalbedding.com/product/knit-ticking-gots-organic-cotton/ (Trusted Member of TMU)
An expandable version of www.diynaturalbedding.com/product/expandable-knit-ticking/
Sleep EZ organic zippered covers (a member of The Mattress Underground)
Shepherds ‘Dream has a large selection of Wool mattress Toppers that you may want to consider
sleeplikeabear.com/mattress_cover (have a good reputation but can cost a little more)
Foam source also has a couple of ticking zip covers one of which includes an inch of quiltable latex but I'm not sure if they sell it separately.
Although I don't normally recommend them as a reliable supplier because of the inconsistent nature of what you receive compared to what you actually order, for a mattress encasement they may be worth considering www.foambymail.com/MatAccessories.html

Lastly, I am concerned about mold and so if anyone knows what's better at keeping moisture low- ie pre-compressed ALL wool topper vs wool WITH cotton to wick away moisture...
and is wool batting better than wool?

Wool resists mildew & mold, discourages dust mites. It has has a structure that has a more porous inner core which can absorb large amounts of moisture without the moisture coming into contact with the skin. This moisture which is held inside the wool fiber itself can then evaporate in a more gradual process which helps to regulate temperature much better. Breathability (airflow) creates a drier microclimate and encourages evaporation as long as the material isn't saturated with moisture against the skin. Wool can be both insulating by trapping air and warming and allow evaporation which is the reason it does such a great job of regulating temperature in both directions. It can also hold moisture in the inner core before the moisture comes into contact with the body while other fibers become soaked right through the fiber. Depending on the fiber size and breed of sheep wool absorbs 50% and alpaca about 35% of its weight in moisture so both are great choices for adding some comfort and temperature regulation.

As far as wool toppers and layers go things are a bit more complicated because there is a wide range of different options, different types o wool, and different densities and thicknesses as well. I’ve spent some time in the last few days reviewing some of my research about wool so that I can reply with more accuracy but I am hoping that Deborah from DIY Natural Bedding or Cheryl from Cozy Pure or Renee or Eric from Shepherd’s dream which are all our Trusted members of the site and are very knowledgeable in wool, cotton, latex and DIY will see your post and give you some input. Either way, I’d make a call and discuss your plans with them.

When you can't test a particular topper (or combination of toppers) in person then the best source of information and guidance about a particular wool topper will be a conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer/retailer that sells them. They will be more familiar with the specifics of their wool toppers and can help you differentiate the specifics of the topper you are considering and help you make more meaningful comparisons with other "similar" wool toppers than anyone else. The suppliers on the list that I have talked to all tend to be open, transparent, and informative about the wool toppers that they make or sell and the information they provide you can help you make more informed choices between the many options you have available.

Uncompressed wool can have a nice feel, to begin with, but this will change over time and pack down more easily than wool batting that is aligned horizontally, precompressed, or tufted which would result in more resilience, and will be more supportive (It has more “lift: but less “travel”) While less than latex wool also has the ability to absorb pressure points. (batted wool less than uncompressed wool). Due to the composition and spiral shape of the wool fiber, the fibers stretch instead of bending as cotton fibers do. The fiber stretching will result in the absorption of pressure points for side sleepers while offering more support and less "sinkage".

When choosing wool as a layer into your sleeping system I’d base the decision on how much wool you’d want to add to the sleeping system, the thickness of the layer, the type of maintenance required, and the degree of "fine-tuning" that might be necessary. Also, the amount of wool used, densification, its life span, any return privileges, and what would be involved in replacing the layer at the end of its life. Perhaps most importantly I’d look at the type of feel and performance you target and the knowledge and ability of retailers or manufacturers to understand what I was trying to achieve and their advice about which of their products would best meet my needs and why.

When you are dealing with products like these that are more difficult to meaningfully compare, I place a very high value on the ability of the retailer or manufacturer to help me make the best choice for my specific circumstances. I also tend to lean towards outlets that manufacture their own products or at least deal directly with the manufacturer and are very knowledgeable in their own right. You may need to do some comparisons that involve thickness, the amount of wool in a topper although there are also many other variables that can affect how different wool toppers/layers compare to each other as well (see post #17 here and post #4 here and post #6 here ).

Any problems you can anticipate with this? I have never built my own mattress but it seems like it could be more economical and I figure even if the topper gets too firm after a few years, it will be cheaper for me to buy another one than to buy a whole new bed.

The main issue I see is that there is quite a bit of uncertainty regarding the final result and how your DIY construction will work for you and this path may not be as “economical” as you are hoping for. You do have -the right idea about zippered encasement where you can change layering down the road but there is much legwork that you still need to do to have the best chance of success.

16 Sep 2021 18:14
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi NP2091

I can't remember if you mentioned what size mattress you are looking for. Are you in the market for a queen size?

The Sleep EZ Roma all latex flippable queen (medium/firm) is in the $1000 range (or $1300ish if you buy a base)
The Arizona Premium Naturalux is $1400 and the 10" Foam Sweet Foam mattress is closer to the $1800 range. These are all mattress that use components comprised of natural (non blended) latex. So, maybe those comparisons will help a bit in terms of determining value. You may also want to look at FloBeds and Cozy Pure . There is also the Hope Latex and Nest Bedding's Natural All Latex .

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