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22 Jun 2022 08:00
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi TombslashZX,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

it seems like for every good review or video, there are 10 negative experiences. I thought maybe asking directly on the Forum would be more constructive.


While hearing others opinions can be useful, we always caution people to stay away from reviews when looking to purchase a mattress. People often review mattresses far too early after receiving them, and reviews lack specific information about all the variables that can contribute to the suitability of a mattress (like details about the person and the mattress) that would make them more meaningful/accurate. We also suggest reading about the dangers of making a purchase based on reviews here .

Also (and you'll see me say this to just about everyone) it is important to have a detailed conversation with whomever you choose to purchase from and provide them with your stats, body type, sleeping styles, general preferences and history, some general information about your current mattress, or what you have tested, and any other specific information or circumstances that could affect your choice of a mattress so they can help you choose which may be your best fit from their inventory.

I believe Helix has both hybrid feel and quilted-top feel options. Is there one you were looking at in particular?

NikkiTMU
21 Jun 2022 06:26
  • TombslashZX
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After sleeping on a mattress I got on sale from Sams Club almost 6 years ago with almost no research, its time to move on as its created two craters and is starting to cause me some lower back pain. Here is some basic info:

This mattress would be for me and my wife. We both have BMI's over 30 and are combination sleepers (me on my side and back and her on her in every direction). Our current mattress is a queen size pillow top that we both loved the feel and firmness of, but as mentioned, the topper has given out and is providing no more support.

So far, I've done some research both on here, on other sites and video reviews as well as trying some mattresses in person with my wife. What I've found so far is that there is a lot out there and it seems like for every good review or video, there are 10 negative experiences. I thought maybe asking directly on the Forum would be more constructive.

Here is my current research findings:
After trying out a few mattresses in person we have some fairly simple dislikes. We don't like a soft top mattress which makes sense for our BMI's. On the same line we would like good edge support for getting in and out easier. We also tried some memory foam and hybrids with memory foam comfort layers and didn't quite like the feel (specifically we tried a Nectar and a Sealy Hybrid). We definitely prefer a medium firm pillowtop-esque mattress. The only Hybrid mattress that we tried and liked was the Dreamcloud. It felt very similar to a pillow top, but as I understand it, the comfort layer is poly foam with some other foams underneath before the spring layer. We left the store thinking that we would order a Dreamcloud and be done, but after doing some more research online it seems like the customer experience has been great for some and the overall construction doesn't look like it will hold up over time (From the durability post, for our BMI's, its recommended that the comfort layer be 1.8lb polyfoam and no greater than 1" thick, but the dreamcloud is 1.5" at 1.5lb). So after tabling the Dreamcloud, I moved onto a Saatva mattress. It seems to be very similar to the Dreamcloud in firmness, but doesn't have as many layers on foam. However, I can't find a posting of the top layer specifications. The other down side being that I can't try one out in a showroom near me.

I've also looked passingly at the Helix line of beds as well ad the Brooklyn Beddings selection, but can't tell if they are closer to a memory foam hybrid in feel. We are also open to adjustable air beds like the air-pedic and sleep number, but need to try one out as well. I think I'm mostly looking for some guidance on what to filter out when it comes to online opinions and reviews of mattresses. It seems like every mattress has a large number a of bad user reviews along with glowing professional reviews that makes it hard to judge objectively which one is right for us. I think just having some peace of mind that any of the listed mattress I've mentioned will provide us with comfortable sleep for a reasonable amount of time would be more than enough for me to pick one and order it
06 Jun 2022 20:04
  • Basilio
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Hi Hyacinthos,

Hello I am greatly appreciative of all of the information. As I am moving to an unfurnished apartment, I will need the mattress on the first night, which is why I need an option for the mattress to be able to be shipped. In the trusted members does "online retailer" mean they ship? Where is a good place to start with this? If I had to define a budget, I would say under 1000. However I admit that is a bit arbitrary. I see Helix has a mattress just above 1000. I would choose their "Midnight" given that I am a "side-sleeper". Again, thank you.

Glad you found my post helpful. Yes, Online retailers have the ability to take the order online and to ship their products to consumers as opposed to a physical ‘buy and take’ only type of showroom. Since it sounds like you are moving to a different area, you might want to consider the proximity of your new apartment to a retail “brick and mortar” shop, since it may be closer to your new destination, you can test it and the shipping will likely be less. Keep in mind that even though online retail companies are advertising products as “free shipping” in fact most of the shipping or part of it is actually included in the final price of the mattress, and many times at the expense of component quality. Many of our Trusted Members have offerings in the approximate range you give of $1000 depending on what you are looking for. but you did not narrow your choices and preferences down enough for me to be able to look through their offerings and point out a few that may meet your criteria.

As you mention the $1000m price point I am guessing you are looking at the Midnight Luxe. They don’t list the layer thickness and density but even if it would meet the durability guidelines , again this is a memory foam mattress and as I pointed out before it will “sleep hot” Phoenix has a super detailed post here about the various factors at play in mattress microclimate s that may prove useful to you in some way. In terms of durability memory foam (or gel memory foam): If your mattress is one-sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot. In terms of suitability, they use a questionnaire with their customers that takes information such as BMI, body measurements, and sleeping positions into account and use an algorithm to choose both the order and the firmness of each of the comfort layers that are most suitable for each of their customers. The 3 comfort layers are on top of 4" of 1.8 lb polyfoam with two different firmness levels. I

You can read several forum discussions on the Helix Midnight here More recently though (9 months ago) there were some consumers complaining about indentations after 2 weeks of use of Helix Midnight Luxe and you’d want to check that they did not change the foam densities and that each component meets the durability guidelines mentioned above. See post 1 here as well. As a side sleeper, you definitely want a durable and comfortable support layer on whichever mattress you decide to go with. I would suggest discussing with any retailer, provided that they are not just salespeople and have real knowledge and experience and they don’t rely just on the “questionnaire” and tell you what you want to hear to get a sale. So make sure that you speak with an informed rep, where you will be shipping the new mattress to, so you can get a comparison of time and cost and can have it in your new residence on the first night.

Basilio
05 Jun 2022 14:39
  • Hyacinthos
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Hello I am greatly appreciative of all of the information. As I am moving to an unfurnished apartment, I will need the mattress on the first night, which is why I need an option for the mattress to be able to be shipped. In the trusted members does "online retailer" mean they ship? Where is a good place to start with this? If I had to define a budget I would say under 1000. However I admit that is a bit arbitrary. I see Helix has a mattress just above 1000. I would choose their "Midnight" given that I am a "side-sleeper". Again thank you.
23 May 2022 11:25
  • JBR2022
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I'm thinking of getting a midnight helix luxe. If you've been sleeping on it can you tell me if it gives off any heat - even if its a little? - I know some people arent bothered by heat.
16 May 2022 05:09
  • Roccoco
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When choosing a mattress for my wife and me a couple of months ago, I used the general guidelines from this site mattressella.com/mattresses-for-couples/. Perhaps you will find it helpful, too. But we settled on the Helix Dusk Luxe Mattress - probably the best mattress I've ever laid on. It is also worth noting that it completely satisfied my wife and me.
But from experience, I can tell that nobody can advise a mattress which will be suitable for you on all 100%. It is better to go to a store (possibly more than one or two) and try a mattress personally, so you will likely find a mattress that will satisfy you both.
08 May 2022 08:18
  • Margueritblackney
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I needed to change my old matress( it was an ikea Sultan) and I after trying different mattresses for some reason got the Tuft and Needle mint because it was recommended to side sleepers and not motion transfer.

I am not in love with the mattress, I have been sleeping on it for 5 days and people is telling me that I need to try it for longer because it needs to break in.
I am 5' 7" and weight 170 pounds and side sleeper most of the times.

My 6 year old gets in my bed almost every night , he moves a lot and I don't want to feel him moving , motion transfer is important for the matress too.
I have neck and shoulder pain( less with the mint).

I liked when I tried the Puffy soft ,the Brooklyn spartan soft and the Helix sunset luxe version.
I am also looking at Layla hybrid and after finding this website ez mattresses but I never tries a latex matress before.

Thanks
02 May 2022 22:04
  • Basilio
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Hi RetroAvenger, and welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Happy to have you here.

This mattress business is overwhelming. I am 5'8" 175lbs (male). I usually fall asleep on my back and wake up on my side. I've looked at Helix/Birch/SleepEZ/Saatva/etc. I've been interested in the SleepEZ Hybrid because I think I like the traditional feel of coils, but am unsure about the latex. I'm open to coils/latex but probably want to avoid foam (foam is too easy to indent in my experience).

You are right, shopping for a new mattress can be overwhelming… To begin with, if you have not already, you may want to take a look at the Mattress Specifications you need to know here as well as the Mattress Durability Guidelines to get a better idea of what to look for in a new mattress, and also the Mattress Shopping Tutorial The more basics you know(without having to become an expert at it), the easier it will be to narrow your choices down. This said you seem to be on the right track.

You are also correct that lower density foams can prematurely ‘break down’ or indent – especially memory foam of more than 1.5-inch thickness that is below 3.5 lbs/cuft. Latex is a durable material and with your BMI, you should not have this problem, I see that you are gravitating away from memory foam or polyfoam products but I’d still recommend you go to a local shop and determine if you like the feel of latex. I am not sure if your selection from Helix or Saatva is for hybrid memory foam/polyfoam combo but if that’s the case you’d need to be aware of the density of the components in a hybrid mattress to assess the potential for it to wear prematurely.

If it helps, I normally sleep on my right side with my right arm under my pillow. I normally wake up with pins and needles in my right arm (this morning I woke up with a pinched nerve and my fingers have been tingling all day). The mattress I currently sleep on is medium-firm and I don't think I want to go much softer than that. I also don't like sinking into the bed.

A mattress is unique to the specific sleeper(s) using it, and is based on your PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) and your stats (height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions. Good job on providing your stats – you have a slightly high BMI, you say you sleep on your side, and that you get ‘pins and needles’ in your arm when waking. This could be an indication that your current mattress is not providing enough comfort for your side sleeping position. The “pins and needles in the right arm” positioned under the pillow may be caused by blood circulation obstructions due to pressure from both sides. There is a bit more information about sleeping positions and posture this in this article here .

Also in arm numbness and shoulder pains cases, Phoenix often points out that “if the mattress is too firm then if you sleep on your side, your shoulders may not sink in enough to relieve pressure and your upper body can "twist" away from the pressure so your upper body is "twisted" more forward while the lower body is still on its side. This spinal twisting or torsion can twist the spine in the upper body and lead to soreness in the area of the twist. There is some much more detailed information on shoulder and arm issues in posts #2 and #3 here . I’d first try to determine if sleeping on a softer surface (more comfort) will address the “nerve pinching” and the pins and needles. You can accomplish this by placing a 1”-2” thin softer comfort layer atop of your mattress and see if this relieves any arm pains. A medium-firm mattress is a good choice for support and spinal alignment, but it may be a counterproductive when it comes to comfort especially for a side sleeping position. Can you determine what percentage of the night are you sleeping on your side? If the pains persist despite changing what seems to be an improper sleep setup for your side sleeping, you may also want to consult a medical professional as the tingling in your fingers may be something more serious.

Any suggestions or experiences are welcome. Looking to stay under $1500 USD.

The good news is that you have lots of options in your price range, Ideally, you would want to test out mattresses in person; some the mattresses you mentioned seem to be available in many ‘big box’ stores; These may be perfectly suitable for you, but a word of caution if you are considering any mattress with memory foam or poly materials. I would not buy anything without fully knowing both materials they use, (density and layer thickness being the most important in terms of durability and how long the mattress will maintain its shape). You say you are looking at Hybrids as you ‘like the traditional feel of coils’ – this feel is very popular among side sleepers. For comparison, you may also want to take a look at the offerings of the Trusted Members of the site. There are quite a few hybrid mattresses available from them that are close to or within your budget, and these manufacturers are of good quality with transparency in their materials and components and have great customer service.

You mentioned Arizona SleepEZ . I am guessing you are looking at their Latex Hybrid Mattress which is well within your budget. SleepEZ excel at matching sleepers with the right comfort and support providing you call and give them a bit of history and explain the pains you are experiencing,

Once you decide if you like the feel of latex or if you’ll stick with the old memory/polyfoam feel we can certainly comment on any specific mattresses you have narrowed your search to.

Basilio
01 May 2022 16:48
  • RetroAvenger
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This mattress business is overwhelming. I am 5'8" 175lbs (male). I usually fall asleep on my back and wake up on my side. I've looked at Helix/Birch/SleepEZ/Saatva/etc. I've been interested in the SleepEZ Hybrid because I think I like the traditional feel of coils, but am unsure about the latex. I'm open to coils/latex but probably want to avoid foam (foam is too easy to indent in my experience). If it helps, I normally sleep on my right side with my right arm under my pillow. I normally wake up with pins and needles in my right arm (this morning I woke up with a pinched nerve and my fingers have been tingling all day). The mattress I currently sleep on is medium-firm and I don't think I want to go much softer than that. I also don't like sinking into the bed.

Any suggestions or experiences are welcome. Looking to stay under $1500 USD.
19 Apr 2022 10:49
  • bobby2478
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I've been on a bit of a journey in my quest to find a new mattress, and below I'll outline what I've tried and my results:

I started with Luma Hybrid Slumber System, with Medium (28 ILD) Talalay. My hips sank in too far (not enough support) so I changed my side to the Medium-Firm 32 ILD Talalay. My hips still sunk in too far causing discomfort on my back. I also took off the 3" comfort layer that came with my luma and instead put a 3" Medium Dunlop D75 topper in it's place. While this helped as it was more firm over the Talalay, I still had back discomfort. I returned the Luma as it wasn't addressing my back discomfort (but definitely was better than the 7 yr old Tempur I started with)

I next tried a Sleep Number 360 iLE. With the firmness cranked up to 100 it definitely made a difference, but the comfort layer was too thick and soft and my hips still sunk in too far. So while it was better than the Luma, it still wasn't giving me the support I need. We decided to try this initially because I require a firm bed with more support, my wife needs a softer mattress and this allowed us to do both. We'll be returning this shortly as it's within our 100 night trial.

Last week I got the Novaform 14" Serafina Pearl Gel mattress in Firm. After a few nights it's definitely an improvement over both the Luma and the Sleep Number, it's more firm and I'm getting more support. However I suspect the top layer of memory foam is still not dense/firm enough and it appears my hips sink in too far still. The past couple of nights I put a towel folded over a couple times under my hips and it has made a difference. I no longer have lower back pain (which went away with the Sleep Number), but my upper back muscles still feel tense and don't fully de-activate. So while it's a drastic improvement from the other options, I suspect the top layer is still too soft and not providing me with enough support under my hips. It also may be too firm under my shoulders when I sleep on my side. Also, regardless of whether it worked for me or not (which has been the primary battle thus far), it's too firm for my wife and we'll need to return it. For reference these are the layers in this mattress (Cool quilted cover, 2-inch Cooling Gel Pearl Memory Foam, 3-inch LURAcor Foam, 9-inch Premium Base Foam)

After all of this I'm leaning towards getting a mattress with zoned foam to provide better support for my hips while relieving pressure from my shoulders when I sleep on my side. And more than likely we'll need to buy 2 completely different Twin XL mattresses to form a king, since I require something more firm/more support while my wife needs something softer. While the Luma had zoned coils, it didn't address my issue and I feel the issue was with the top comfort layers not providing the needed support. I like the feel of a firm memory foam in that it will allow you to sink in on only minimally, but still firm enough to push back on your hips and keep them from sinking in too far.

After doing additional research online the only ones I've really seen that offer zoned foam (not coils) are the Casper (which as good reviews on Consumer Reports). What would your thoughts be on the Casper Original or the Wave Hybrid? My main concern is getting anything where the comfort layers are too thick and thus don't provide the necessary resistance/support for my hips which allows them to sink in too far and causes my spine to get out of alignment. Any other suggestions? I've also got Nectar, Helix, Nest, Novosbed, Loom&Leaf and Winkbeds on my list to evaluate, but don't think any of these offer zoned foam.
16 Apr 2022 22:20
  • Heyali
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Hi,

We used your site about 6 years ago to buy Brooklyn Beddings best mattress in the world—or whatever it used to be called. I liked it at first, but it has slowly become softer and softer, and it just does not feel like it’s providing enough support. I wake up with an aching back every morning. We have another BB in the guest room and it feels much springier and firm/supportive. It looks like BB is only making hybrid mattresses now and they’ve replaced their latex with something called Titanflex which they say is even better than latex. I’m skeptical. I also note that they are no longer on your trusted list. So I think I will move on.

Most practical for us is an online order mattress with at least a 120-day return policy, since we don’t live near any big cities. I weigh 325# and sleep in all different positions—back, side, stomach. I think I prefer medium firm, though I would like something luxurious feeling. Partner is 180# and a side sleeper who sleeps hot. We are considering a king split, because partner is a light sleeper. We would rather have the right mattress and spend a bit more money.

I’ve had a lot of trouble finding mattresses specifically marketed to fatties that have the kind of density your site recommends (Saatva HD, BB Titan, Helix Luxe, Big Fig), so I’m thinking that perhaps latex is the way to go. I’m also intrigued by the hybrid option. Do these types maintain their support longer than pure foam mattresses? I already know that you don’t typically make recommendations, but given my concerns, could you point me to a few different options?

Thanks!
03 Apr 2022 11:56
  • vaotix
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So the last time I bought a mattress was many years ago and it seems mattress shopping has changed quite a bit since then with so many more options and technology in newer mattresses. I'm currently sleeping on a 20 year old Serta mattress (though it was unused for about 7 years of that time) that really need to be replaced. I'm waking up sore in the hips, shoulder, and lower back every morning.

I'm a 6'0" tall 165 lb male that is a side sleeper. However, I do tend to toss and turn a bit moving from one side to the other side at night. I usually sleep alone and am looking for a Queen sized mattress. I do not like super firm mattresses but I'm also not a fan of pure memory foam as I don't really like the feeling of fully sinking into the foam. Plus I need to be able to switch positions easily. I was looking at some hybrid mattresses because they seem to be a good middle ground between super firm and the memory foam options. I've seen the direct ship mattress companies promoted heavily online like Helix, Purple, Brooklyn Bedding, etc. but I'm usure of what to trust with all them. Though their return policies seem pretty generous. I was also looking at the Saatva Classic (they seem to have a showroom near me so I'll check that out before making a decision).

I'm located in the Boston, MA area. So I'm open to suggestions for showrooms/retailers to check out to try mattresses. But I'm also interested in hearing from any of you who have a similar profile/body type as me who are side sleepers and if you bought from any of the online mattress in a box companies and what your experience was like.
28 Mar 2022 07:45
  • jgoldstein
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Hi MattressUnderground,

BACKGROUND:
I (5'2 160; stomach sleeper) and my partner (5'4 160; side sleeper) are trying to figure out a bed arrangement that minimizes motion transfer and reduces heat.
For a decade I've slept on a Sleep EZ three-layer latex mattress (3" firm talalay / 3" medium talalay / 2" soft dunlop)
While we find the mattress extremely, comfortable, there is too much motion transfer that wakes us up in the middle of the night.

We've tried different layers of talalay vs dunlop, and different firmnesses.
We've tried hybrid beds with a latex layer over individually coiled springs, but that is also too much motion transfer.
We are now trying a memory foam bed. But it sleeps too hot.

THE DETAILS
We inherited a used Signature Sleep Memoir (8" high density foam, 2" memory foam) which we find very comfortable in terms of pressure, and posture, and it does a great job at removing motion transfer, but it personally sleeps too hot for me. The bed specifications do not mention anything about 'cooling' layers that I am seeing mentioned for other memory foam beds. We are already considering a second bed and looking at the Helix Dusk .

The solution we are currently trying for the Signature Sleep Memoir is adding a latex topper to the mattress.
We moved the 2" soft dunlop layer from the Sleep EZ to the Signature Sleep, and it reduces the heat, but it re-introduces too much motion transfer.

MY QUESTION
Would a 1" soft talalay or dunlop topper be a next logical step?
Would that be thick enough to provide a barrier from the heat that would be trapped in the memory foam?
Would that be think enough to not reintroduce motion transfer?
I am hesitant to try a firmer layer because I need to sink into the top to relieve pressure on my shoulders.
Is there another configuration that might help with retaining the pressure and posture properties while reducing heat?
We are looking for a solution that mimics the pressure and posture but dissipates heat more.

Thank you,
Jacqueline
21 Mar 2022 10:31
  • dizzy
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Got married, moved into husband's house about 2 years ago. Money had been tight during the pandemic but we are doing better now. Mattress is 17 years old, time to replace, it has ditches in it. It's a Sherwood Spring Air Back Supporter, whatever that is.

My husband likes a firmer mattress for sure. He also has suffered from back pain for many years, and has sciatica that comes/goes. He is interested in getting a mattress with no springs in it. I also have had back pain for a long time, and it's in the last month developed into sciatica- I'm pretty sure in part bc of this mattress. I like something a little softer than my husband. I'm interested in getting something organic and/or latex. I've had a latex mattress once and that was probably my best mattress. I'm open to no-springs mattress for sure but it seems like everywhere near us only has a "hybrid" mattress at best, or otherwise just a cheap foam one. I've had many cheap foam ones in my adult life but am wanting to get something that will last a decade or two now, and will be good for our backs. Also I tend to get hot at night, while my husband likes to bundle up. I've heard latex is good for that, and my husband doesn't seem to mind putting an extra quilt on whereas I'll leave off the quilts. I'm 5'8" 170 he's 5'11" 185 and we are both trying to lose the weight we got in the pandemic, probably about 25lbs each :(. We're in our 40s. He is mostly a back sleeper and a little bit a side sleeper. I'm mostly a side sleeper and a little bit a back sleeper.

I haven't bought a real "adult" mattress yet at age 40. I really like the idea of getting something more eco-friendly if possible. We went to Philly yesterday and tried a couple Helix and Leyla mattresses that were both recommended to us- didn't like the Leyla at all, way too soft. I liked the Helix birch better and he liked the Twilight one better, tho he said either was fine. But we didn't love either of them. It has been hard to find a place close by (under an hour) that has any of the latex or better quality foam or even hybrid mattresses. We'd be ok to order something online, but just aren't sure of the options. Something like the Avocado line seems within our budget- but there's a lot of other latex ones that seem way over our budget. Unsure of why the price is so different and not sure what to do.
10 Mar 2022 10:14
  • timturner
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Are you a back sleeper, or do you sleep on your side? Because most likely you will be more comfortable on a mattress that can accommodate this kind of sleeping pattern. However, if your pain is chronic rather than occasional and affecting the quality of your sleep it is best to meet with your medical doctor for further advice.
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