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10 Feb 2022 08:11
  • MattressToGo
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LaKe:

I see you sell the Capitol Bedding's Willow Firm mattress and have the spec sheet on your site. Do you know the specs/differences for the Willow Plush?


I don't currently offer the Willow Plush and don't have the spec handy. The quality of materials would be commensurate to those in the Willow Cushion Firm (very good durability).

I've tried both beds and seem to like the plush a bit better but the store didn't have any detailed specs information and Capitol Bedding does not list that bed as one they make.


Your local retailer would be the best source for those specifications, as they offer the product.

Another question about the Serene Foam. I was told that it's a good middle ground between the sinking feeling of memory foam (which I hate) and the bounce of latex.


It has a feel like memory foam without the viscous nature, a more durable soft foam than low density polyfoam. Not as buoyant feeling as latex. It is a unique and very high quality polyfoam.

Does the Serene Foam hold up well?


Carpenter produces in slightly different versions (with some new versions I believe being shown at the upcoming ISPA convention ), and they all tend to be quite high density and durable.

Does it sleep hot?


Realize that your overall sleeping environment is a combination of many things, not just one layer of material. Air flow tends to be key. Softer beds insulate more and tend to sleep "warmer" than harder mattresses. Materials that don't breathe well tend to flow less air (Serene by itself does tend to flow air quite well). Mattresses using spring units for the support core tend to flow air better than those with a solid foam support core. And the items closest to your skin - mattress pad and sheets - will have the most dramatic impact. Materials that are quite breathable and are also adsorbent (for humidity control).

I've just been contemplating between the Willow Firm or Plush and the Tranquility Serene from Capitol Bedding. I need a good support for my back but I'm a mostly side sleeper with a little back sleeping, that often has shoulder and hip pain in too firm of bed.


All of those mattresses use higher quality materials and would tend to provide good durability that would be much more consistent and longer than they typical fare found in the industry. It really would come down to the fit and feel for your somatotype when you test them out in the showroom, and that's not something I can do via an online forum.
09 Feb 2022 17:19
  • LaKe
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Hi Beducation,

I see you sell the Capitol Bedding's Willow Firm mattress and have the spec sheet on your site. Do you know the specs/differences for the Willow Plush? I've tried both beds and seem to like the plush a bit better but the store didn't have any detailed specs information and Capitol Bedding does not list that bed as one they make.

Another question about the Serene Foam. I was told that it's a good middle ground between the sinking feeling of memory foam (which I hate) and the bounce of latex. Does the Serene Foam hold up well? Does it sleep hot? I"ve not read very much info on Serene Foam. I've also tried another Capitol Bedding bed with Serene Foam called the Tranquility Serene (No spec sheet on that one either; just the Tranquility which has latex instead of Serene Foam).

I've just been contemplating between the Willow Firm or Plush and the Tranquility Serene from Capitol Bedding. I need a good support for my back but I'm a mostly side sleeper with a little back sleeping, that often has shoulder and hip pain in too firm of bed.

Capitol Bedding Willow Firm:
Tight top With 8 Cloth Handles. Top To Bottom Wool Hand Tufting. Organic Cotton Stretch Cover 81/19.

Quilting Layers:
Milliken FR barrier quilted to cover.
1" - Gel polyurethane foam, 1.5#.
.75" - Polyurethane foam, 1.5#.

Comfort Layers:
3" Serene high performance polyurethane foam. 2.5#.

Support System:
Premium fabric-encased 13.75 gauge Bolsa Quantum Edge
Perimeter Zoned spring unit,
Edge System: Double row steel Quantum 16 gauge side edge support, triple row 13.75 gauge Caliber Coil head/foot edge support.
Base Layer: 1" Firm high-density polyurethane foam base, 1.8#.

Tranquility
organic cotton cover
Pure Jomma Wool 1.7 oz
MIlliken Silca based fire barrier
Natural Latex 3" - I'm assuming that in the Tranquility Serene, this is where the Serene Foam is instead of the latex
Combi Zone coil unit
HD base foam 1 1/4"

Thanks for any information into Capitol Bedding's mattresses.
06 Feb 2022 17:23
  • KPureblade
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Hello! I've been wanting to buy a new mattress for far too long now, but with how complicated it seems to be to find a quality mattress that will last, I never commit because I want to know I'm getting something good for the price tags I'm looking at. I am based in the Kansas City area, so I looked on this forum and found some dated recommendations on places to look. I ended up going to a place called Orman's Furniture and he showed me around to a few mattresses. One that stuck out to me was called a "Foreverbed", by Croft Mattresses. Unfortunately, they only had a single Foreverbed model in store. But fortunately, Croft Mattresses has storefronts in the Springfield and Joplin areas, and I have family in those areas, so over the Christmas holiday I made a point to go to a store and lay in some. I couldn't find any mention of Croft or the Foreverbed on this forum, but I also found out that Croft was formerly called "Joplimo", but they rebranded with the intention of expanding to more areas. There are mentions of Joplimo on this forum, but I was hoping for something a little more recent.

And I think it's worth noting that while they planned to expand... they did briefly have a store in Kansas City, but it has already been closed, most likely due to the pandemic. I make note of it only because they promise a lifetime warranty, but that only matters if the company stays in business. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with the pandemic, but I still note it.

So there were two mattresses that stuck out to me in the store. I am a back sleeper primarily. I've found that if I ever flip to my side or stomach, that means I'm either having trouble falling asleep, or its first thing in the morning and I'm about done sleeping. So with that, the mattresses I liked in the time I laid in them in the store are...

Foreverbed Origin Tranquility - www.croftmattress.com/product-page/tranquility-origin-foreverbed
Foreverbed Elevate Brilliance - www.croftmattress.com/product-page/brilliance-elevate-foreverbed

I found the Tranquility mattress more comfortable in the time I was in the store, but I'm not sure if it was $1000 more comfortable. It's been over a month since I was in the store but I believe the major difference between the "Origin" and "Elevate" lines is that Origin uses some sort of "Nano Coils" and the Elevate might be all foam. This is where my confidence starts to fall apart a bit in the mattress hunt, there's just so much to look for... so hoping for some help here. If no one has experience with this particular mattress, I would at least like to hear if the selling points look good/honest/accurate.

Also, they gave me a quote and gave a substanstial discount on the Origin, so it started to feel more like haggling to buy a car. I have no idea what something like this is actually worth. Do these prices seem "fair", or is there a target I should aim for? They are advertised as made-to-order and made local, so that's pretty nice I guess.

I'm including a couple pictures here from a material tag I took in the store, hopefully it is helpful. Or if there are good questions I can pose to them, I would appreciate guidance on that as well. Thanks for your time!

03 Mar 2020 11:25
  • laurie1041
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Hi Ken,
A few questions and backstory:

Back in 2013, my husband and I purchased a twin XL for our guest room from your company. See pic attached of the label off of the mattress. The mattress is fine for an occasional visit from our adult daughters, but not suitable if either one of us needs to retreat to the guest bedroom in the event one of us has a cold or is snoring. The twin XL is way too "squishy". If sitting on the side of the bed, the mattress caves in and one slides off. It's also pretty bouncy. We have tried flipping the mattress so that the firmer side is up and the topper is down, but the fact remains that this mattress does not have a stable, supportive core. Would it be possible to purchase a firmer latex support core in twin XL along with a zippered cover so that we could improve the support? What ILD do we currently have for the bottom and the topper?

Second Issue:
We now find ourselves needing to replace or remediate our latex queen 8" mattress purchased 10 years ago from an online store that was named "Tranquility". The product was advertised as their "plush" model. I do not recall nor can I find the paperwork for this bed that indictes what the ILD is of the core and topper are. Our queen bed has excellent core support, but it is too firm to sleep without the addition of a memory foam topper. We have tried a 3" memory foam topper which caused us to sink in and now have a 1.5 inch memory foam topper which my husband thinks is just perfect, but the bed is too firm for me and I wake up during the night due to pressure in shoulders, hips, and legs. We are both side sleepers. I think our bed would probably be very good if it had a comfort layer.
I am wondering if a latex topper would be a possible solution for our queen bed on an adjustable frame or if we should just start over instead of sinking hundreds of dollars on a latex topper that may not work. Our latex bed is 10 years old and we are also thinking that it might be time to size up to a King. What are your thoughts?

Thank you so much. We look forward to hearing your recommmendations.
30 May 2019 00:33
  • jmteixe
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Hello Sensei, Thank you for taking notice of our issue.

You are correct, our latex is the 3" Harmony topper from Savvy Rest but with the encasement the total height turns out to be 4". We have 30 days left to exchange. The 2x coir bed rugs were purchased separately and not as a unit. I had hoped the coirs to behave as a cushion between our slats and our wool mattress....alas I was wrong.

As of last night, we are testing the Firm Dunlop topper, atop the 2x coir bed rugs, to see how it feels on its own, per Arizona Premium representative's suggestion. The point of contact there doesn't want us to buy/ or sell us coils before knowing if the firm dunlop is the correct density. My spouse has started to think we should go down to a Medium Dunlop. So that is one piece we will need to change no later than 28 June. It will take a couple of weeks at least to ship and receive the new layer.

Next, we are looking at changing our foundation. So, I mentioned coils above. They would be the least expensive option, 12" bamboo case ($300) and coils ($400). Arizona Premium has the 8" Combi-Zoned Pocketed Spring, which answer the mail in terms of mimicking the Tranquility Spring Mattress Savvy Rest sells, which is 4" pocketed coils beneath 3" latex all within a zippered case. (My whole reason for writing a few days ago was to see if I could achieve just that, coil beneath latex mattress...since we already own the latex I just needed to find the coils.) I am so pleased Arizona Premium offers coils to consumers, probably one of the only in the world. The gentleman who answered my phone call yesterday at Arizona Premium just seemed very intent to help, which gave me a sense of assuredness that I wasn't expecting.

Just when I thought I had a plan, flexible European slats made by Berkeley Ergonomics and Flo Beds were introduced to us. If we went this route, we can't see any major differences in the products. Thankfully all of the companies selling these slats and coils have excellent return policies. Berkeley Ergonomics flexible slats are made when ordered, take 2-3 weeks, their stores are only 4-hours drive away (if we wanted to test the feel), their slats are available in 3 different profiles, and the cost is $800 (not including shipping). On the other hand, FloBeds flexible slats cost $900 but their product is ready to ship next day. Their store is an 8-hour drive (one way) from my home so the cost to ship the foundation (add'l. $98) would be less expensive than driving.

Ideally, we want to sleep on top of the 5" wool tufted mattress and utilize the latex layer. Per Shepherd's Dream advice, the wool mattress on top of the latex creates a buoyant feel. Here is their blog regarding this concept: shepherdsdream.com/blog/organic-bedding/wool-bed-configurations-1/ I would agree, the latex beneath the wool allows the wool mattress to give and soften a bit but not enough in the right spots for my spouse and me.

So, all said, what would you do if you were us? Do you have an idea which foundation we might like to try or work better over another?

Thank you again for reading our correspondences and for your careful considerations.

Sincerely,
jmteixe
27 May 2019 00:19
  • jmteixe
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Hello April, thank you for taking a look at my post!

The pocketed coils by Savvy Rest are separate, but designed to be encased with a layer of latex. The link gives you the visual and information: savvyrest.com/products/organic-mattresses/tranquilityspring

I'm not sure if this company can sell the coil component a la carte; management is checking if legally possible per some shipping/fire policy. If we already have their layer of latex is seems like a logical option to me.
05 May 2018 04:59
  • Luma Sleep
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Hello SuperDude_123,

The detailed research information you have on the August Haven is impressive; rarely does a mattress retailer provide this much transparency. That's a positive. It makes an online assessment much easier.

To answer your first question, yes, in many instances, either the mattress brand or the retailer attempt to avoid specification comparison by brand naming a mattress component. In some cases, the component may be exclusively purchased as well. The detailed component descriptions you have for this product allow for reasonable analysis.

We will separate the analysis into the 3 mattress sections listed - Quilt Panel, Build Up and Support Unit.
1. Build Up - Lava is Lava Textiles, the fabric supplier. AirTex is a model of Lava mattress fabrics. The remaining components are the layers of material in the quilting. There are 2" of a 10 lb. (very low density) gel-poly foam in the quilt panel. This amount of low density material will have a tendency to compress/break-down and cause a bit of a body impression.
2. Build Up - The materials listed are the various layers in the "comfort layer" section of the mattress. 4" is a good amount of material in total, and the types and density of the materials should provide reasonable performance long-term. There's a little Talalay latex on the top for transition comfort and a little memory foam on the bottom for stability in the transition to the pocketed coil system.
The combination of the Quilt Panel/Build Up is what provides you with the "feel" of the mattress you experience in your showroom "test rests".
3. Support Unit - The 1575/1872 PC FE looks to mean a 1575 coil count pocketed coil spring system. I would guess the 1872 means the side rails of the foam encasement(FE) are 1.8 lb. 72 IFD poly foam, but you could ask the retailer to confirm. While not know more about the pocketed coil details ( e.g. gauge, height, # turns, etc.), It would seem that the support unit coil system is high-quality. The Base layer is the layer of foam under the pocketed coil unit; the density and firmness is appropriate for the mattress design.

Overall, this appears to be a well designed mattress. If you like the feel/comfort/support it provides, it may work well for you. Only 2 caveats - The quilt poly may compress (over time) and there are lots of layers, which does mean lots of laminating (gluing) them together. We cannot gauge the actual price/value as we do not know the price, but we would venture to guess, that based on the content, as a "house brand" in a king size, a price of $999-$1099 would be close.

Hope this helps!

Team Luma
04 May 2018 17:14
  • SuperDude_123
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Myself and the wife are looking to purchase a mattress, and have narrowed it down to a mattress from a local-ish furniture store that's in our region in the Mid-West, and we've liked what we've tried with them comparatively to Beautyrest. Now, after doing our research online, we've come to the realization that big brands don't mean better then local brands. What I'm struggling with in understanding the tech specs of this mattress is, after googling the materials, I can't find much about them. What I don't know if it's the case is, are they branding a material as their own, or are they giving us the brand name of the material and I'm just not educated enough to figure this stuff out so I know if this mattress is of good quality, or if they are cheaping out in certain areas?

The mattress in question is from the furniture store called WG&R, and their house brand is AUGUST HAVEN. The sales people have indicated that the company has basically tried to reverse engineer another big brand, and this is their comparative product. The model of the mattress is the Tranquility and the specs are as follows for a King:

Quilted Panel:

Ticking =Lava - Airtex Passionata D340908 Natural
Quilt Pattern = 1.5" circle T&J
Layer #1 = .75 FR Fiber
Layer #2 = 1" 1.5 10 ILD Gel-Poly
Layer #3 = 1" 1.5 10 ILD Gel-Poly
Layer #4 = n/a

Build Up:

Surface= 1" 24 ILD Talalay Latex
Transition Layer #1 = 1" 1.8 28 ILD
Transition Layer #2 = 1" 1.8 28 ILD
Transition Layer #3 = 1" 4.0 lb 14 ILD Gel-Memory Foam
Transition Layer #4 = n/a


Support Unit = 1575/1872 PC FE
Base Layer = 1" 1.8 density 48 ILD
Border Color = Ingomar flint ash (AH)
Tape Edge = gray
Ribbon = AH
Tufts = optic white

Any help in understanding where the shortfalls are would be helpful. I can disclose the price that they gave us, but I'd rather ask for an opinion then on a "Is this a good buy for the money?" as we all perceive value/$ from a different perspective.
22 Dec 2017 04:44
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So I'm in the process of exploring my options for a DIY mattress build and I came across this product, Serene Foam . I came across it at Habitat Furnishing, where they offer a Serene Foam topper with their pocket coil mattress.
ADMIN NOTE: Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint:habitatfurnishings.com/regal-tranquility-mattress/#buyregaltranquility.

According to Carpenter this is the next step up from memory foam since it has "open cell" technology so heat doesn't build up and it responds the same even in cold temperatures. But from the videos and limited amount of info I can find, it doesn't seem to quite have the slow recovery conforming ability of traditional memory foam - it looks like it has a fair amount of bounce. The density is 2.5lbs, which if I am understanding the article on poly foam mattress comfort layers correctly means it qualifies as high resilience and should be a good quality product. Overall, the majority of info I've been able to find has been promotional material vs actual discussion/analysis so I'm curious how it really performs.

Habitat is recommending using this as a topper on top of their finished latex/pocket coil mattress, which has 2 inches of wool in the cover. It seems like it would be more ideal to have the foam under the cover so the wool could sit on top and fully perform as a temperature regulating/moisture wicking layer.

My original goal was to DIY a latex/pocket coil mattress. I've been looking into memory foam and memory foam alternatives as a way to fine tune the feel. Overall I like the bounce and buoyancy of pocket coils and talalay latex but based on my in person testing my ideal mattress would include a small amount of other layers to slightly deaden the bounciness and provide a small amount of slower recovery/conforming ability. So right now my tentative plan is to incorporate pocket coils, talalay latex, and either some 4-5lb memory foam or some polyfoam into a 15inch mattress cover. I expect to do some fine tuning as I go and experimentation with ordering of layers.

Right now I'm curious if anyone has any more info/analysis about this "Serene Foam" or any related products. I've found a few mattresses online that incorporate it but none are available to test in my area.
15 Jan 2017 11:44
  • phoenix
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Hi checker15,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Has anyone ever had any experience with Wolf Corp's mattresses? We tried their Tranquility Plush today and it was really nice. I wanted to do my due diligence by asking this wonderful community first if anyone has had any experience with them.

I personally don’t have any experience with this mattress (it is a "bedinabox" style product), and Wolf doesn’t list it on their web site, so until you can find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress, I wouldn’t consider purchasing this, or any other, product.

And while other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful, I would be cautious about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words, reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

If you find out the specifications, I’ll be happy to provide better commentary upon the product.

Phoenix
14 Jan 2017 21:46
  • checker15
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Has anyone ever had any experience with Wolf Corp's mattresses? We tried their Tranquility Plush today and it was really nice. I wanted to do my due diligence by asking this wonderful community first if anyone has had any experience with them.

We got a Tuft & Needle mattress for free from a friend that works there and it's way too firm for us. We tried a foam topper and apparently foam anything just isn't for us. We had a queen but since the T&F was going to be free we went with a king. Bought box springs, and a new bed. So, we're kind of committed to a king at this point. Anyway, like I said before, we liked the Wolf mattress and wanted to hear anyone's thoughts. Thanks!

Wolf's site is kind of plan. It can be found here .
29 Dec 2016 11:24
  • phoenix
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Hi Tommybo,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

I am 6'4", 270 lbs and a stomach sleeper
My wife is 5'5" 200 and a side sleeper but really ends up on back and stomach as well as night goes along.

Having a bit of a higher BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially), and this would also apply to your even more so as you sleep on your stomach and your wife ends up on her back or stomach as well.

This could be firmer latex or innersprings (the type of support component would be a personal preference and in the right design either could be suitable) or even a zoned construction. The same overall guidelines apply with higher weights though that PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) along with using high quality durable materials that will maintain their feel and performance for longer periods of time are the way to make the best choices. Heavier people in general will need firmer and thicker comfort layers and firmer support layers than those who are lighter and because no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components is even more important than normal, and considering latex (with or without a spring unit) certainly would be a good starting point. Post #3 here has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading.

We currently have a firm spring mattress which i am fine on by my wife has begun to have hip pain (mattress is 7 years old)

If it is a “typical name-brand” innerspring mattress, you certainly would be near the end of a normal expected comfort life for such a product.

I was looking at SleepEZ latex (not sure if organic or standard is OK)

SleepEZ offers many different types of latex, including Dunlop, Talalay, natural or blended, organic certified and/or Oeko-Tex certified. The biggest difference in feel would be between Dunlop or Talalay (Dunlop being a bit less “bouncy” feeling than Talalay), and these foams can be had in different softnesses. The difference in certifications would be more of a personal preference and not necessarily an issue of quality. Most people that are looking for an "organic" mattress or materials are usually concerned more with "safety" than whether the materials have an actual organic certification and they usually aren't aware that an organic certification isn't the same thing as a safety certification. There is more information about the three different levels of organic certifications in post #2 here and some of the benefits of an organic certification in post #3 here and there is more about the different types of organic and safety certifications such as Oeko-tex, Eco-Institut, Greenguard Gold, C2C, and CertiPUR-US in post #2 here and more about some of the differences between organic and safety certifications in post #2 here and there are also some comments in post #42 here that can help you decide whether an organic certification is important to you for environmental, social, or personal reasons or whether a "safety" certification is enough.

SleepEZ is a member here, which means that I think highly of them. Their mattresses are a component system, so if you’re considering them your next step should be a detailed phone conversation where you can explain what you’re trying to achieve and they will then be best able to offer you their advice regarding what they carry that they think would provide you the best chance at success.

Also had looked at BedinaBox Tranquility from a foam perspective

This is obviously a totally different product form the SleepEZ, being more of a traditional memory foam mattress. The 8” 2.4 lb. polyfoam base uses a good quality material, but the 3” of 3 lb. memory foam on top would provide me pause, especially for anyone over 200 lbs. or so. I’d prefer to see 5 lb. memory foam in your application.

Also looked at Purple (in fact the purple pillow just got shipped to my house)

This is again a bit of a different mattress, although closer to the BedInABox than the Sleep EZ. A forum search on Purple will also bring up much more information and feedback about them as well. They are using a layer of buckling column gel which is a good quality and durable material. There is more about buckling column gel in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to and a forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well. The buckling column gel is 2" thick and then there is a 3.25" layer of 1.8 lb polyfoam under the buckling column gel (this may be 3.5" thick because they list two different thicknesses in their FAQ and the description for each size) and a 4" 2.0 lb polyfoam base layer which are both good quality materials so there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress that would compromise the durability or useful life of the mattress although I would add a caution for those that are in higher weight ranges (mid 200's or higher) because of the 1.8 lb polyfoam comfort layer.

Ive read all the guides and I am not picky. Open to other suggestions on what to buy...my wife is not 100 percent sure she likes the bounce of latex.

Whether or not you are picky, you still want to make sure that whatever you are purchasing uses higher-quality materials. You’re a bit “all over the board” with items you’ve suggested as far as componentry and feel, so my best suggestion would be to find a local retailer where you could perhaps test out items that are at least similar to a latex and a memory foam bed to at least “get an idea” as to a feel you might desire.

The best advice I can offer you is to reread the Mattress Shopping Tutorial and follow the steps in selecting a new mattress. At the end of the guide is a simplified version of selecting a mattress, and for those who want the SIMPLEST VERSION OF ALL ...

Choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers that sell the types of mattresses ( see this article ) that you are most interested in (either locally or online) and that can provide you with all the information you need to know to make an informed choice and make meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in this tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight/BMI range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress (see the durability guidelines here )

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
28 Dec 2016 18:25
  • Tommybo
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So I found this sight as we are looking for a mattress.

Fairly sure we are down to latex or foam (or hybrid)

I am 6'4", 270 lbs and a stomach sleeper
My wife is 5'5" 200 and a side sleeper but really ends up on back and stomach as well as night goes along.

We currently have a firm spring mattress which i am fine on by my wife has begun to have hip pain (mattress is 7 years old)

I was looking at SleepEZ latex (not sure if organic or standard is OK)
Also had looked at BedinaBox Tranquility from a foam perspective
Also looked at Purple (in fact the purple pillow just got shipped to my house)

Ive read all the guides and I am not picky.


Open to other suggestions on what to buy...my wife is not 100 percent sure she likes the bounce of latex.

Thanks in advance...glad to have found site.
04 Jul 2016 09:45
  • phoenix
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Hi onethinline,

While I know it's not quite the way you want it yet ... you certainly made a high quality and very durable choice ... and congratulations on your new mattress :)

Sadly, the first night on it was rough to say the least. I didn't feel the sink-in and comfort I'd felt in the store. I called the next day and after checking with the owner they said the reason is likely a new brand of pocketed coils which are an inch taller than the cover was designed for, so that middle layer of latex is being compressed and losing some of its softness. As an interim fix, she suggested I unzip the cover around that layer, allowing it to spring up. This has helped a bit, but several more nights we still don't have the feeling we had in the store.


I would keep in mind that there will be a break in and adjustment period for any new mattress or sleeping system as the mattress loses any of it's "false firmness" and the cover stretches and loosens a little and the materials settle and your body gets used to a sleeping surface that is different from what it is used to (see post #3 here and post #2 here ). This would typically be a few weeks but it can be shorter or longer depending on the specifics of the person and the mattress (higher density materials can take longer) and it can be surprising to many people how much their sleeping experience can change over the course of the first month or so. I would generally suggest sleeping on any new mattress for a few weeks at a minimum (preferably a month or so) whenever possible before deciding on whether it's a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP and/or deciding to make any changes or additions to your mattress.

As they mentioned ... if the pocket coil is thicker than their previous model then it can pre compress the latex layers so it certainly wouldn't be unusual that it would feel firmer. Unzipping the cover should also make "some" difference in terms of softness although it seems that it may not be enough (although the break in period may be partly responsible for that as well).

The owners (a father and son) have each offered a different resolution, and here's where I'm torn. The first suggestion is to swap the coils out for the type they used previously, which are an inch shorter and will allow the middle latex layer the room it's supposed to have in the cover. The second suggestion is to use two covers to convert the coils and first layer into the other hybrid mattress, then cover the top extra-soft layer making it a topper: this basically reproduces the jerry-rigged setup I tried and liked in the store.

Obviously, the latter seems like the surer bet, but I would prefer one integrated cover to make a single-piece mattress. I'm also still wondering whether somehow the top layer isn't actually extra soft, since even after unzipping and de-compressing the middle layer, I'm still getting pressure on my shoulder throughout the night.

The set-up I tried in the store really did feel good so I don't want to give up. If I have them switch to the shorter coils, I'm taking some risk in how it will feel, but I like the idea of switching to the design intended for the integrated cover. On the other hand, the mattress-plus-topper configuration should be exactly what I liked, but feels like a compromise somehow. Any thoughts?


Both options would likely result in a softer "feel" but if I was in your shoes I would tend to lean towards the mattress/topper combination. I certainly wouldn't consider this to be a "compromise" at all and there are many people that choose to sleep on a mattress/topper combination and prefer it vs a mattress that contains all the same layers inside the mattress cover because a separate topper can "act" a little more independently and "feel" a little softer outside a cover than it will by having the same layer inside the cover (see posts #3 and #4 here and the first page of posts in this topic ). This could also be part of the reason for the difference you feel as well and it would make sense to use the same design for your "sleeping system" as you tested and preferred in the showroom.

Phoenix
29 May 2016 21:02
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Hello. I have been lurking on the site for awhile reading through the articles and the posts in the forum (lots of great info - thanks!!). My wife and I (I am 5'11" 180-185lbs and she is 5'4" 115-125lbs) currently sleep on an eastern king innerspring Serta that we purchased in 2001, and are both primarily side sleepers. The mattress really should have been replaced some time ago, but we have finally decided to make it a priority and do it. We live in the SF Bay Area, and decided to stop into Nest Bedding to take a look at their mattresses.

We were leaning towards either the Alexander Medium or the Alexander Hybrid (my wife liked the Hybrid a little more since it has a little softer feel, I liked the Medium a little more), but then decided we wanted a more natural option than the memory foam. We went back to the store again and tried out the Q3 Latex bed with the Soft topper (9in dunlop, 3in talalay). It was really nice, we both felt comfortable, but at $3999 for a king size bed (for the organic, not the blended latex) it is not in our budget. I decided to take a look at the websites for the members in the mattress underground mattress list and found some great options. Currently considering:

CozyPure - monozone 9in $1999 or 10in $2399 with the $698 LaNoodle topper, maybe the hotel package for $3299 since it has the LaNoodle topper

Flexus Comfort - 9 in $1645 or 10 in $1795, 3" natural talalay topper with cover $600

Flobeds - 9in $2399, topper is $499

SleepEz- 9in $1950, 10in $2195 or 13in $2495. Might buy 9in or 10in and buy the 3in topper 100% natural talalay for $513


I was wondering if anyone could me help choose from these options a setup that would be similar to the Q3 from Nest Bedding in feel.


Also, I was wondering:

-noodle vs solid topper - for example: CozyPure/Flobeds are shredded, whereas Flexus Comfort offers a solid latex topper. How does the shredded latex topper compare in feeling to the solid topper?

-Flobeds uses all talalay for its mattresses, vs. the others on the list (like SleepEz) that offer the option for dunlop and talalay. How would an all talalay mattress compare to a mattress with dunlop and talalay in how it feels?

- I am looking for a zipped mattress protector to put around the new mattress. Initially, I thought we would want to zip the cover around the mattress and the topper, but after reading this post , I realized it would be best for zipping up the mattress only (plus, some of the toppers come with their own zipped covers). Any suggestions for what I should buy for the zipped cover?

Thanks!!
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