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05 Oct 2017 19:21
  • phoenix
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Hi paulgyro.

.Hi all. I'm trying to choose between these two mattresses and just wanted some expert input here. I'm very much sold on latex.


I think that just about every person who buys a mattress or is a member of the forum has wrestled with a similar scenario which is all about how to choose between "good and good" products both fromDreamfoam Bedding who is one of our trusted site members which means that I think highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. All of their mattresses use high quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in any of them so they would both certainly make a great quality/value choice.

Aside from a personal preference the latex in the comfort layer of any mattress is a good material choice in terms of quality and durability that has very unique properties and is excellent for comfort especially in its softer versions as it has pressure relieving qualities due to its ability to form itself to the exact shape of your body profile while you are sleeping and is doing this instantly as you are changing positions throughout the night.

My thought is the Alexia with two 3" comfort layers to work with would allow a soft yet supportive feel without really engaging the firm poly too much and thus be more comfortable? Just more options to adjust and dial it in just right.


Even from the point of view of your two finalists I would suggest that you reassess both mattresses in terms of how well you believe it "matches" your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) because you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you.

With this being said and as I have no data about your constitution, BMI and preferences I can only speak only in general terms and point out that the main benefit of a thicker latex mattress is that it can be more adaptable for heavier weights and multiple sleeping positions. It will compress from softer to firmer more gradually which means that there is more "range" of compression without the mattress becoming too firm for heavier weights (or parts of the body). It can even just be a matter of preference rather than "need" and you are correct in your educated guess that a thicker layer of two 3” latex might feel more comfortable If you can imagine a 3" layer of latex on the floor you would compress it to its maximum and feel much more of the floor (it goes from soft to maximum compressed firmness within the space of a 3" (layer) but if you had the same softness of latex in a 6" layer on the floor ... it would feel much softer and compress more gradually and to a lesser percentage of its overall thickness and wouldn't reach the same level of firmness or "bottom out" (which means reaching the maximum level of compression or firmness that a layer or a mattress can effectively achieve).

You are also correct that by opting to go with Alexis depending on the firmness levels you chose for the two 3” layer in this mattress you could have more “in home” adjustment options vs Total Latex that allows for layer exchange after purchase (at a nominal fee) I would also keep in mind that for most people ... a total of 10” of foam and latex is more than enough to provide pressure relief and proper support that most people of average or even higher weights would need. In some cases ... lighter weights or people that sleep in "flatter" sleeping positions, have slimmer less curvy body types, or who prefer a firmer mattress will do well with even less thickness even though there is less "room" to design in different layers in the mattress. People that have much higher body weights or larger body types may choose more than the "average" thickness and may prefer the feel and extra adaptability of the 14" of latex. Thicker mattresses can also use firmer materials because thickness and softness are very related and work together. These are all good questions to ask Dreamfoambeding so they can discuss the differences between your two choices as they apply to your particular needs and preferences.

In the end you will need to decide what is most important to you and attach a "value" to all the objective, subjective, and intangible factors that are part of any final decision. There is no "best and worst" at this point ... only best for YOU.

I’ll be interested in learning about your final decision and answer any other specific questions you might have.

Phoenix
05 Oct 2017 13:38
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Hi all. I'm trying to choose between these two mattresses and just wanted some expert input here.
I'm very much sold on latex.

Both mattress offer a customized comfort layer.
The Aloe Alexia is 14" with a Aloe/Cotton knit cover, two 3" layers of Talalay latex comfort layer (both can be customized) and 7" of 2.17 lb HD Poly Foam core support layer

The Total Latex is 10" with a bamboo knit cover, a 3" Talalay latex comfort layer, and a 6" Talaly / Dunlop latex core support layer (customers choice and softness customized)

My thought is the Alexia with two 3" comfort layers to work with would allow a soft yet supportive feel without really engaging the firm poly too much and thus be more comfortable? Just more options to adjust and dial it in just right.

At the same time I know latex is the best in terms of quality so I'm not opposed to going that route when the mattresses are only $100 difference in price.

Thoughts?
Paul
15 Feb 2017 11:11
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Mom, where do beds come from?
I'll be fair in saying that I don't remember my first mattress, but the first mattress I can remember was when I was 5 years old. My great grandmother made my mattress. It was the size of a twin mattress and stuffed with old blankets and foam. My bed was an old hospital bed that had been purchased for $5 in the late 70's when the state mental hospital was down sizing and clearing out their inventory. If you are unfamiliar with the anatomy of a hospital bed of this era, it's actually kind of neat, but it was also kind of creepy. What if someone died in my bed? I know it's morbid, but totally creeped me out as a kid. I slept on this bed and mattress until I was 14 yrs old.



This is how my bed life began, and each step has seemed a vast improvement as I remember where I have come from in my journey through beds.

Floor Beds
After I insisted and pleaded to please let me get rid of that bed and the mattress, my next bed was ... a 4" high foam cushion, just long enough for me to lay down on, and narrower than a twin size bed. I slept on this for about a year until I saved up enough money to buy one of those cheap metal futons at walmart. I was sooooo excited. It was amazing! I happily snoozed on my futon for about a year... then it got lumpy and the bars were poking me and I finally tossed the mattress on the floor and just slept there.

Box Store bed(ding)
At 17 yrs old I FINALLY got my first real mattress! It was a twin size mattress AND box springs from Sam's, and I felt like this was going to be my bed forever! I was so happy to have that bed. I bought my first set of sheets at Bed, Bath and Beyond and I still have them and love them even though they don't fit anything. LOL

Yard Sale Bed
The next year when I moved into an apartment I was sad to be separated from my cute little bed and instead had a very old, very used full size mattress and box springs purchased from a yard sale. My bed frame was nice though, or at least it had a good story. My bed frame was who knows how old, but solid metal and the story goes that my father found it behind his grandparent's shed and fixed it up for himself when he was young. This was my bed frame until I was 30 yrs old!!! The mattress only stuck around until I was 26 yrs old and then I was given another used, and very old mattress - but definitely in better condition - from my grandparents.

Pause Button Bed
So, finally at 32 yrs old I kicked all that to the curb... except the bed behind the shed, I kicked it to storage, but anyway - the point is at 32 yrs old I finally bought a QUEEN size bed. I read reviews on here for weeks determined to get the best cheap bed I could find. So I ended up purchasing the Dreamfoam Bedding Ultimate Dreams Crazy Quilt Pillow Top Mattress, Queen which was almost $274.76 just a couple years ago and now is less than $200 and as a frame I purchased the Sleep Master Platform Metal Bed Frame/Mattress Foundation, Queen .

OMG! Going from an old, sad, saggy bed to this new configuration was the difference between night and day! I had never slept so good! Each night I snuggled into bed feeling happy. I knew that what I had purchased was not the final solution, but more like a pause button. I knew the day would come where I would have to be serious and *gulp* ... go bed shopping.

After just over 770 uses I'm sad to say that it's time. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the choices I made for my pause button bed, but they also were not thoroughly thought out and definitely were not tailored to my specific needs.

Year of the Bed
If you're calculating my age as we go along, I'll be 35 yrs old soon. This is the year of the bed for me. Year of the Bed!!!

I have noted several things during the past 770+ sleeps:
1) I definitely prefer a firmer mattress,
2) It turns out that I really do care about my bed and mattress being natural, organic and granola-like.
3) I live in my bed. When I watched Bedknobs and Broomsticks as a kid, I wanted a magical bed that could transport me to amazing places. I kind of still want that bed, and I'll be Angela Lansbury and instead of traveling with children, I'll travel with my dog.
4) Despite the glory of underbed storage, that metal bed frame just wasn't for me. It's ugly, over the last few months it's started making a squeaky noise... all in all I find it quite a disappointment. In fact, in the angst of a migraine some 2 weeks ago I actually got so annoyed with it's squeaking that I took everything out from under the bed, took the bed off it and tossed the frame in the storage. So, my mattress is now directly - and quietly - on the concrete floor.
5) The bed must be an appropriate height that makes it easy for my dog to hop up. She's 3 and can hop up and down all day, every day right now... but we're planning for the future - which will hopefully be a long one.
6) I read and work while sitting in bed, and thus cannot have a mattress that's going to get all cranky just cause I'm sitting on it rather than laying on it and equally distributing my weight.
7)My bed should be amenable to having just me, me and my dog, or me and my partner +/- 2 dogs. So I guess what I'm saying is that the equal distribution of bodies and weight may vary and long term durability is going to be very important.

Spoiler Alert! I've already bought it!
"Then why are you writing this?"
Well, I'm laying the ground work for my bed review. I think it's important to have the backstory on how I arrived at my selection before I start evaluating it.

I was really - REALLY - wanting a latex bed. I had been eyeing the Dreamfoam Bedding Ultimate Dreams Aloe Alexis Latex, Queen for some time and felt like this was probably going to be the bed I bought. So my price range was about $1,500.
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I started looking for bed frames and really that's where my trouble began, I just couldn't find a solid bed frame. There were all kinds of stylish ones, but nothing really said, "SOLID" and if it did it had a solid price more than twice that of the mattress.

FFWD to Last Week
I went to the Mountain Air Organic Beds store in Springdale, Arkansas. I live in the northwest Arkansas area and I had always wondered what they had going on, but I knew whatever it was would probably be expensive too. I went anyway.

Yes, it is quite a bit more pricey than many of the beds I had been looking at online, but something compelled me to buy local, and support a woman- and veteran-owned business. It was also really cool to walk in there and see the staff actively sewing products. Making pillows, pillow cases, zippered mattress casings, all kinds of stuff and everyone was soooo nice! I know, you can't sleep on nice people (it would be creepy, right?), but I genuinely had fun shopping for a mattress that day! It was stress-free, calming, just like chatting with friends the whole time.

I was there for almost 2 hours, and they were so patient with me. They switched out all kinds of layers, toppers, pillows and so on and each time would let me lay there quietly with the lights off. When I finally found the combination that felt right for me, I nearly fell asleep. Everything felt comfortable, no achy pressure points, no twisted neck, it all felt perfect... as I slowly came back to reality I started contemplating how much this comfort is worth. At this point they had left me to quietly lay on the mattress. No continuous sales pitching, or constant talking, no rush, just time to lay there and evaluate all the feelings.

It was at this time that I had begun to remember my beds of past, so when I arose from that calming psuedo-nap I had decided that this was indeed my bed.

I purchased the Organic Joy 10" (Queen 60x80) $2,789.00
3" Bottom Layer: Firm
3" Middle Layer: Firm
3" Top Layer: Medium
Topper: Eco-wool Fleece with organic cotton backing (add $369)
25 Years Layer Exchange & Warranty
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I also ordered a Platform Bed Frame with headboard (add $749)! They handcraft the bed frames on site too! They are really beautiful and I don't think squeaking will be a problem. LOL

I also ordered a pillow that I fell in love with at the store. And if you think the story of my beds of past is kind of sad, you don't want to hear about pillows. There are at least two pillows that will be retired as soon as this bed arrives.

So, I kind of blew out my little budget, but I'm feeling good about my purchase. I'm awaiting arrival of my items in the coming weeks and would like to use this as a place to document my mattress experience as it unfolds.

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03 Nov 2016 12:29
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Thanks again, Phoenix. Last question (I think... I bet you've heard that before).

Dreamfoam offers 4 different models. I was set on getting the Eurotop, but of course I spent more time obsessing about it. The Eurotop has 3" of Tatalay over 8" of 2lb foam. The price of the Eurotop is where I thought my budget should be. But then I started reading, including your posts, about more latex being better. Dreamfoam also offers the Aloe Alexis and the Total Latex with 6-9" of Tatalay. for about $600 more (for king size).

Here's the question: I've seen you write that 6-9" of latex is better, particularly for a high weight individual, as that person could "bottom out" with only 3". I haven't seen your opinion regarding a non-high weight person. I'm 5'9" and weigh between 165 and 170 pounds. My wife is smaller. For people like us, will 6" of latex make a substantial ($600 worth) difference over 3"? I don't want to skimp on such an important purchase, but I also don't want to spend the money either if it won't make a difference.
03 Jun 2016 12:01
  • phoenix
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Hi mantrasia,

today my sister asked me for a recommendation on a new mattress and I pointed her to that site but now it looks like they only offer one mattress option?

Did they change everything up over the past year and half?


Yes ... Brooklyn Bedding launched their new "simplified choice" #BestMattressEver mattress in May, 2015 (see post #1027 here ).

are they still one of the better manufacturer direct latex mattress options or are there better offerings from other manufacturers now that I should consider?


Yes ... they are still a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

A few of the mattresses that were previously offered by Brooklyn Bedding (such as the Aloe Alexis and the Total Latex Mattress) are now included in the models offered by Dreamfoam which is their sister company.

Phoenix
12 Nov 2015 10:11
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Hi sethmp,

Can someone tell me the differences between the companies?


As you mentioned they are sister companies that share common ownership and they target different markets.

Both of them are members of this site which means that I think highly of them and that I believe they both compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

Brooklyn Bedding sells a single simplified choice mattress (see post #1 here ) that comes in three different firmness levels. There is more information about the materials they use in post #2 here . They have a great trial period and return policy which means that you can try the mattress in your bedroom instead of a showroom with little risk outside of the time you spent sleeping on the mattress and in the worst case returning/donating it if it doesn't work out as well as you hoped for. Simplified choice mattresses in general are designed to be attractive to those that don't wish to spend a lot of time and effort comparing many different mattresses.

Dreamfoam on the other hand sells a much wider range of mattresses both in terms of their materials and design and in terms of their budget ranges. They would be attractive to those that are more interested in choosing between a wider range of mattresses, materials, and budgets.

All of these mattresses have a range of firmness options available. The main differences between the Eurotop and the Aloe Alexis is that the Eurotop contains a single 3" layer of latex while the Aloe Alexis contains two 3" layers of latex (the comfort layer and the transition layer). The Total latex mattress is an all latex mattress rather than a latex/polyfoam hybrid and contains a total of 9" of latex. There is more about an all latex mattress vs a latex/polyfoam hybrid in post #2 here and more about the benefits of the Alexis that has two layers of latex vs a mattress that only has a single layer of latex in post #2 here .

The Eurotop has the option to exchange the latex comfort layer with a firmer or softer version if your experience indicates that your original firmness choice is either too soft or too firm. The Aloe Alexis has two latex layers so they can also be reversed and either one can be exchanged for a different firmness level so it has more "fine tuning" options available. The Total latex mattress also has the option to exchange the top comfort layer as well. They charge $150 - $200 for the new layer (which includes shipping) and then refund half of this when you return the old layer.

In addition to the ability to fine tune these mattresses by exchanging a layer ... they also have a 45 day trial period with a $99 cost (that also includes the cost of return shipping).

I'm still so undecided i just don't know what to chose. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.


Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

I would always keep in mind that the only reliable way to know for certain whether any mattress or combination of materials will be a good "match" for you in terms of "feel", "comfort", firmness, and PPP will be based on your own personal experience but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between "good and good" (which they are) and none of them have any lower quality materials or "weak links" in their design relative to your weight (which they don't) and if at that point there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some very good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations about each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, the quality and durability of the materials, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
26 Aug 2015 13:38
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Buying a mattress has been one of the most frustrating experiences that I can remember, I wish I found this site sooner.

I am considering buying a Dreamfoam Aloe Alexis and I am hoping someone here can help me feel more comfortable with purchasing this bed. It is incredibly difficult to buy a bed that you cannot lay on. Chuck from Dreamfoam has been incredible answering my questions, so I guess I am trying to verify my conclusion that this is the right bed for us.

A little of our story:

I am 310 6'5" back sleeper, my wife is 5'6 140 primarily side sleeper. We spent $2k on a Simmons Beautyrest a little less than 5 years ago and my wife and I starting waking up with back pain in the morning a few months ago. We previously had a warranty call on the bed and were explained on how the mattress warranty works, but there was no visible indentation on the mattress so there was nothing the manufacturer would do for us. So we decided to buy another bed (before we found this site). We ended up purchasing a 14-inch Sleep Innovation Memory Foam mattress from Amazon, which I am in the process of returning. The mattress was too soft for me, I felt after laying on the bed for a while my pelvis sank and my back became uncomfortable. My wife absolutely loved the mattress and is sad that we are getting rid of it.

After doing some research on this site and talking to our local mattress store I have come to the conclusion that a latex bed would be probably bit the best fit for my weight. The local mattress shop did not have any latex beds to try, but they did try to sell us a Tempurpedic Contour Elite which we both thought was comfortable, but way out of our price range.

Initially I thought possibly getting a memory foam bed with higher quality materials would be a good fit, but Chuck at Dreamfoam and local sales person that we spoke to said durability would be an issue with any memory foam. My wife is against getting another spring mattress, so by the process of elimination it would seem like latex would be a good fit.

Chuck at Dreamfoam recommended the Aloe Alexis over their Total Latex because of the extra layer of latex. Can I reasonable durability from this bed even though it is not 100% latex? Also, chatting with Chuck think we are going to order split comfort levels. 3 for my side and 6 for my wife, does this sound reasonable?

Thanks for your help in advance.
07 Aug 2015 10:32
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Hi BedNeeder,

I had a latex bed approximately 5 years ago and would like to go back to it. However, my girl is 5;4" 110lbs and i am 5'11" 170lbs. I am unsure as to how to configure it, we are both primarily side sleepers.


There is more information in the first part of post #2 here about some of the different ways that can be used to accommodate a couple that have very different body types or different needs and preferences in a mattress that may be helpful. If you are looking at a king size then it may be worth considering a split firmness mattress that has different firmness levels on each side (see post #2 here ).

There is more about the differences between a latex/polyfoam hybrid and an all latex mattress in post #2 here . Every layer and component in a mattress will have some effect on the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress "as a whole" although you are correct that the deeper layers of a mattress will have a less obvious effect on what you feel when you lie on a mattress (although they can still affect how you feel when you wake up in the morning) and lighter body weights may also not notice differences in the deeper layers as much as heavier body weights.

Just getting a bit confused. If her weight is so low would the aloe alexis/total latex be overkill? If not, what ILD's are best for someone who wants that luxury firm feeling for all the layers involved at her weight?


There is more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for both of you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) in post #2 here that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for once you actually sleep on your mattress but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart (such as Dreamfoam) who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept well on and liked that they are familiar with, any special considerations you may have, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs or firmness options to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or even to other mattresses that they are familiar with than anyone else.

Phoenix
07 Aug 2015 09:47
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Phoenix,

This has been said enough but I must say it again, thank you for the hard work and dedication. Now onto the question.

I had a latex bed approximately 5 years ago and would like to go back to it. However, my girl is 5;4" 110lbs and i am 5'11" 170lbs. I am unsure as to how to configure it, we are both primarily side sleepers. I am concerned after reading a lot on this site that a TOTAL LATEX bed from Dream Foam may be over kill based on her weight. If it is not, I have no idea which way to configure it. We generally like a softer bed, but not too soft. Should the Base Latex be a firmer material? Chances are we wouldnt even feel that bottom layer which has me thinking perhaps their 3" Ultimate Dreams latex mattress with foam base would suffice? Or even the Aloe Alexis a better choice? Just getting a bit confused. If her weight is so low would the aloe alexis/total latex be overkill? If not, what ILD's are best for someone who wants that luxury firm feeling for all the layers involved at her weight?

Yikes, I know you've answered many iterations of this question but i couldnt find one as particular as my needs. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you
05 Aug 2015 08:50
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Hi JulieS,

I now am trying to decide if I have time, and if it is worth switching out a layer to a softer one. I only have 45 days total to try the mattress. I have had it for 14 days now. Will a softer latex layer make any difference or should I save the $75 and just count my loses and return it for $99? What do you think?


This is something that only you can decide. If you like the general "feel" of latex and it's only a matter of adjusting the firmness of your mattress then exchanging a layer would certainly make sense because the ability to exchange a layer is one of the biggest reasons for choosing a component latex mattress in the first place. Of course if you don't like the feel of latex compared to other materials or types of mattresses then a return would probably make more sense.

There are also some suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful if your mattress is too firm but the first suggestion I would make is to give any new mattress 30 days or so whenever possible so that the mattress has a chance to break in and you have the chance to adjust to a new sleeping surface that is different from what your body is used to (see post #3 here as well).

I would also make sure that you have a more detailed conversation on the phone with Dreamfoam so that you can provide them with more detailed information about yourself and your sleeping experience and "symptoms" so you can take advantage of their many years of experience and the guidance they can provide based on working with other customers whose experience and circumstances may be similar to yours.

Phoenix
05 Aug 2015 08:13
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We ended up getting the aloe alexis. Unfortunately, I think the PPP is not working for me, it feels more firm than I thought it would. I ended up going one level softer (24 and 28 ) than the Liberty (28 and 32) and it still feels very firm. I don't think my shoulder is able to sink in enough when I am on my side. Thus, I am waking up with back and neck pain.

I now am trying to decide if I have time, and if it is worth switching out a layer to a softer one. I only have 45 days total to try the mattress. I have had it for 14 days now. Will a softer latex layer make any difference or should I save the $75 and just count my loses and return it for $99? What do you think?
04 Aug 2015 22:12
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Hi eboldy,

I'm back, Phoenix! :ohmy: :silly:


Welcome back.

I'm wondering about the sales relationship Wayfair.com has with either, as Wayfair carries their mattresses at lower prices than ordering direct from DF/BB.


Wayfair is just one of their sales channels (like Amazon) although the Wayfair prices that I've seen are higher than the prices at the Dreamfoam site . There is also an additional 10% discount for purchases on the Dreamfoam site as well ... in addition to the pillow bonus for being a member of the forum here. Wayfair also doesn't provide a return policy for their mattress and only allows for an exchange for another mattress within 100 days (with a $99 cost). Dreamfoam has a 45 day trial period that allows for a return and refund (also with a $99 cost).

Related: When I visit Brooklyn Bedding's site, it looks like they've transitioned to the one-model-made-to-order design, while Wayfair has multiple models available; any insight into this?


Brooklyn Bedding launched their new "simplified choice" mattress in May so the transition from their old line had already happened a few months before you first posted here (see post #1027 here ). This didn't affect any of the mattresses that were sold by Dreamfoam (which is their sister company) but some of the previous Brooklyn Bedding mattresses that "disappeared" are now listed on the Dreamfoam site as well (such as the Aloe Alexis and the Total Latex Mattress).

Lastly, reading up on the materials of the Dreamfoam (I'll call it the UD13GMF!), it looks very comparable to what's known about the Tempur-Pedic Cloud Supreme (or Luxe, depending on where you look). I also know that foam density over 4-5lbs is lauded here, and the UD13GMF (still giggling) fits the bill with densities; however it's rated in the budget/low-end mattress category with lower durability - can you help explain why that might be?


The Ultimate Dreams 13" Gel Memory Foam mattress would be most closely comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe in terms of feel and firmness. The Dreamfoam mattress that would be most closely comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme would be the Ultimate Dreams Supreme 12" mattress. While the UD13GMF is certainly in a lower lower budget range (especially compared to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe that it approximates) ... it uses good quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or "weak links" in the mattress relative to most weight ranges so I'm not clear why you are putting it in a "lower durability" category. Having said that ... I would be cautious for those that are in higher weight ranges (more than the lower 200's or so) where I would tend to reduce or minimize the use of 4 lb memory foam which would apply to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe as well which also uses 4 lb memory foam (see the foam quality/density guidelines I normally suggest in post #4 here ).

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25 May 2015 13:05
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Hi wendym,

First of all, thanks for the catch on my registration. And please do change that username to just wendy. I would appreciate it.


I changed your username to wendym because wendy was already in use. I hope that's OK. I also moved your posts and my replies to a new topic of it's own so that our conversation wouldn't get mixed in with another member's topic.

So, bottom line is that you are recommending an upgraded version, with more support, such as the Aloe Alexis. The cost is more, but it does look like you still get the benefits of the Ultimate Dream, with increased supportiveness.


The benefits of higher quality/density materials would be that they will be more durable and have a longer useful life than lower quality/density materials. The support of a mattress is a function of its design not the durability of the materials inside it.

There is more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel". These are all separate issues from the quality and durability of the materials inside the mattress.

There is more about the most reliable ways to choose a mattress that is the most suitable "match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) either locally or online in post #2 here that can help you make the best possible choice and help you identify and minimize the risks involved in making a choice that turns out not to be as suitable as you hoped for but when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer who can help "talk you through" the options they have available based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences and which of the firmness and layering options they have available will have the best chance of success than anyone else.

The wool layer helps with temp control, so that looks good for us. Would you think that the more latex feel would make motion transfer better or worse than the UD? This is my husband's #1 issue.


Since the top layer in all the mattresses you are considering is latex the motion transfer would probably be similar in all of them although it may be slightly better with the Alexis but they will have more personal experience with all the different mattresses they manufacture so they would be a more reliable source of guidance about any smaller motion transfer differences between them than I would.

You mentioned the ability to adjust the top two layers of latex to customize the feel. Is this an extra cost, or all part of the total quoted price for the bed itself? Seems like it might work well all around for us.


If you rearrange the layers in the Alexis (using the firmer latex layer on top) then of course there wouldn't be any extra cost but if you exchange one of the layers for a softer or firmer version then there is a minimal cost involved for the exchange (see post #7 here ). The same mattress is also available from Brooklyn Bedding if you call them directly (although they don't list it on their site any longer since they introduced their new mattress) and if you purchase it from them then the trial period would be 120 days and the cost of a layer exchange would be a flat $75.

The Dreamfoam Natural and the Brooklyn Bedding #BestMattressEver and the Aloe Alexis all use high quality materials that would be suitable for your weight range so you are certainly looking at some great quality/value choices. Once you are down to finalists that are all choices between "good and good" and none of them have any obvious weak links or lower quality materials in their design and if there are no clear winners between them then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your material preferences (the type and blend of latex layers you would prefer), your conversations with each of them, their prices, the return/exchange options they have, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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25 May 2015 10:49
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Hi wendym,

I noticed that you registered with your email as your username which means that automated spambots will be able to harvest your email and add you to their spam lists. If you'd like I can remove the @ and the domain after it and change your username to just wendymlevin (or any username you wish).

General question about the basic Ultimate Dream vs. Eurotop model. My husband is a big guy (6'4" and 250#) and I am 5'11 @ 180#. I know from previous posts that we are on the border of weight issues relative to the durability factor of the UD. We looked at the Eurotop, which has more in the support layer - would this be sufficient at a moderate firmness level to boost the longevity of the mattress?


The single biggest factor in the durability of a polyfoam material is it's density not thickness or the surface area of the mattress.

Both the Ultimate Dreams latex and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop use the same density polyfoam in their base layer and both have the same 3" thickness of Talalay latex in the top layer and when you are in a higher weight range then you will tend to "go through" the top layer more and compress the support layer more deeply which means that it's density would play a bigger role in the durability and useful life of the mattress than it would for those that are in lower weight ranges. The main difference between the Eurotop and the Ultimate Dreams latex is the options you have available after a purchase to exchange the firmness of the latex comfort layer (in the case of the Eurotop) and if you are using the same firmness latex in the comfort layer in both of them then their durability would be closely comparable.

As you can see in the guidelines here ... in your weight range I would consider a higher density base layer in the range of 2 lbs or higher.

It may also be worth considering the Ultimate Dreams Natural which uses a Dunlop latex comfort layer with a 2 lb base layer or the new Brooklyn Bedding mattress (Brooklyn Bedding is a sister company of Dreamfoam) which uses 4" of latex (2" of blended Talalay latex and 2" of synthetic Dunlop continuous pour latex) on top of a 2 lb base layer as well (and also has a free return policy). You can read more about it in posts #6 - #10 here and in post #3 here .

Someone else in a previous post also mentioned the Aloe something, also made by Dreamfoam, as a high end choice as well - but for the added expense would the results be noticeable?


If you are referring to the Aloe Alexis then it uses two 3" layers of latex instead of one and also has a 2.17 lb polyfoam support core so with a total of 6" of latex instead of 3" it would be closer to the feel and performance of an all latex mattress than either the ultimate Dreams latex or the Eurotop and it would be more durable as well (see post #2 here and post #2 here ). It also has wool in the quilting which would be more temperature regulating and it also has the option to rearrange the top two layers or change the firmness of either of the two latex layers so it has more flexibility to fine tune the feel and performance of the mattress than either of the other two you mentioned but of course it is also more costly because it uses higher quality and more costly materials and components and contains twice as much latex.

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07 Apr 2015 13:36
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Hi Doggerz,

Entry One - Briella by Christeli
The things I like about it is the "Better Edge" layer of foam at the edge to make it more firm, I haven't seen this in any other mattress, but don't know if its real or a gimmick, The other thing I like is that its 5 inches of 5.3 pound memory foam.
www.christeli.com/mattresses/briella

Entry Two - Posture Plush by Plushbeds
What I like about this one is that it is a combination of memory foam and latex like the Black Diamond. This is also 5 inches of total foam, 3 inches of 4 pound memory foam and 2 inches of natural latex.
www.plushbeds.com/posture-plush-memory-foam-mattress.html


Both of these mattresses use high quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in either of them but the quality/durability of the materials in a mattress has very little to do with whether a mattress will be a suitable "match" for you in terms of PPP so when you can't test a mattress in person to make sure it's a good "match" for you then the return or exchange policies will become a much more important part of the "value" of a purchase just in case your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for. There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

While edge support isn't normally necessary with a memory foam mattress (see post #33 here ) ... for those who sleep very close to the edge of their mattress or who sit on the edge of their mattress and prefer firmer edge support for sitting then the edge support system on the Christeli mattresses would make a noticeable difference ... especially for those that are in a higher weight range.

I'd like it if someone (based on the black diamond or these two) had other mattresses to consider based on any of this or your own experiences..


The tutorial post includes a link to a list of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and since the Briella is designed to be an approximation of the Cloud Luxe Breeze in terms of firmness some of the other mattresses that are also designed to approximate the Cloud Luxe Breeze (or the Cloud Luxe) would also be similar as well although none of the others have edge support that I'm aware of. Off the top of my head I know that the Foamorder Posture Sense memory foam mattresses here also offers edge support.

I don't know how any of them would specifically compare to the Posture Plush in terms of PPP but if any of the retailers/manufacturers listed there are familiar with it then they may be able to give you some better guidance about which of their mattresses would be the closest "match". Having said that ... I would also be very cautious about using a specific mattress as you "target" or reference point (particularly if you haven't tried it in person) because it may not be the best possible match for you in the first place compared to other mattresses that you haven't tried and you could end up excluding many other mattresses that may be different but could be a better choice in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Instead of using a specific mattress as a reference point I would rate every mattress you consider against a common set of criteria (rather than against another mattress) using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post and based on which one is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you. It would be unlikely that any of the forum members have made any side by side comparisons with the Posture Plush and other mattresses since the Posture Plush is only available online.

With 3" of memory foam on top of the latex you would feel much more of the properties of the memory foam they use than the latex and I would also keep in mind that while some mattresses that use a similar combination of materials may be a good match for you in terms of PPP, others may be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on depending on the specifics of the design. In other words ... mattresses that use the same combination of materials in general terms may be very different from each other in terms of their specifics and how they feel.

While I don't keep a list of mattresses based on their specific materials ... off the top of my head I know that Brooklyn Bedding's Aloe Alexis and SleepEZ's component latex mattresses and Flobeds component latex mattresses all have the option to replace one of the latex layers with a memory foam layer. Lake Mattress here also has some memory foam/latex combinations and Arizona Premium also has an option for slow recovery latex (which is somewhat similar to memory foam) on some of their mattresses. The Casper mattress here also uses a combination of 1.5" of synthetic latex on top of 1.5" of 4 lb memory foam.

There may also be some mattresses available locally that use both memory foam and latex in their comfort and/or transition layers and if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of that are close to you that you could check.

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