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27 Jun 2017 14:13
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Hi jdeck66,

Welcome back! :)

3 weeks ago I finally had a Fusion L5-S1....so now more than ever I have to get a new bed.


I hope that your surgery went well.

If you could be provide your wisdom regarding the 2 diff beds below
Sleep Science Black Diamond-


You can see my thoughts about the Sleep Science 11" Black Diamond mattress in post #4 here .

While the information you posted doesn’t contain much meaningful information, overall it appears that the quality of some of the material is good (with the cautions I mentioned in the post I linked) but they are imported from China and don't have any certification for VOC's and off gassing which along with not knowing how long the mattress may have been compressed would be my main concerns (see post #6 here and post #2 here ).

Tempflow Opluence


As you can see in post #9 here , and as you might remember from some of your other posts, I think highly of Relief Mart and Dr. Rick, they use good quality materials in their mattresses, and none of them have any weak links in their design.

The Opulence uses 2” of good quality 5 lb memory foam on top, then underneath that is 3” of poly foam, and beneath that is the 6” polyfoam core. The core is listed as high density and high resilient, which means it may be 2.5 lb density. While Tempflow uses good quality materials in their mattresses, you’d still want to confirm the density of all of the materials in this (or any other) mattress you might consider from them.

The other concern you would have would be what is recommended for your fusion surgery by your orthopaedic physician. Generally, the concern would be having something that provided adequate support and then "just enough” comfort material on top so as to not allow you to sink in too deeply. Whatever recommendations your surgeon provides should be passed along to Dr. Rick when you come up with a potential mattress design.

Phoenix
26 Jun 2017 23:35
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Hello Phoenix-it's been quite awhile since we communicated. Several years ago I was researching TempFlow pretty hard. I am still in the market. 3 weeks ago I finally had a Fusion L5-S1....so now more than ever I have to get a new bed. I have put it off like 3-4 years. I talked to Dr. Rick last week at Tempflow and when he gets back in town next week we will try and put something together. In the mean time I'm still researching as much as possible. If you could be provide your wisdom regarding the 2 diff beds below. Both would have Split King adjustable.

Sleep Science Black Diamond- They also have the ARA13" $2500
Standard King size features two individual Twin XL mattresses side by side, while the Queen size is one mattress
Bed frame not included
Headboard and footboard brackets are not included
Sleep Science comfort scale: Plush top layer with medium/firm support
11" Black Diamond Memory Foam Mattress fits the dimensions of your bed.
Meets the requirements of 16 CFR Part 1633 federal flammability (open flame) standards
Limited Warranty: 20 Years
Mattress cover sleeping surface is made with a bamboo blend fabric.
The cover is removable and washable.
Mattress top layer: 1" of proprietary 5 lb black diamond bamboo charcoal visco memory foam.
Second layer: 1" of proprietary 5 lb slumber tech visco memory foam.
Third layer: 2" of medium latex
Bottom layer: 7" proprietary support tech base foam.
Patented wedge, edge to edge Support System
Hypoallergenic and dust mite resistant
Visco memory foam conforms to your body to relieve pressure points and improve circulation
This mattress should rest upon a flat solid surface for best results.
First time visco memory foam sleepers, please allow 30-60 days to adjust to sleeping on a visco elastic memory foam mattress.
Visco memory foam is temperature reactive, therefore the mattress will react uniquely to each individuals body temperature.
The mattress is rolled and compressed for ease of delivery. There will be a slight foam odor when first opened. It will dissipate within 24-48 hours
Includes 2 wireless remotes so that each side can be controlled independently
Lifting capacity of 1400 lbs (700 lbs lifting capacity per each Twin XL adjustable base)
Split King (2 Twin Long) overall dimensions: 76" W x 80" D x 27" H; Weight 440 lbs

Tempflow Opluence

The Opulence™ uses our 2 inch thick top layer of our softest 5lb. SD™, ultra pressure sensitive, Biogreen® memory foam. Underneath this layer, we use our 3 inch thick, SD™-Comfort-Flex, ultra-resilient hybrid foam, for a comfortable and extra supportive transition layer. The combination of our soft Biogreen® and SD-Comfort-Flex layer will allow the mattress to be more instantly comfortable in all temperature environments, but still very supportive, instantly reactive and durable in structure. We then ventilate the Biogreen® and Comfort-Flex layers and place underneath it a HR (high resilient and high density) channel layer that enables us to have the extra firmness needed for proper support, while still retaining our Patented Airflow Transfer System™. We use a breathable and stretch forming, non-toxic, fire resistant sock over our foam and our proprietary luxurious Kool-Flow™ micro-vented cover that has been specially designed to allow for total breathability for use with our patented airflow circulation technology. Our micro-vented fabric is made with sustainable and renewable fibers knitted to the thickest and luxurious weave available and is weighted at 365 grams, compared to the other stretch forming fabrics that are much thinner material, with a weight of 225 grams. This works in synergy to keep your body temperature regulated all night long.
24 Nov 2015 14:34
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Hi markalphonso,

I haven't seen any mention of the OrthoMattress Avant series. I went to the store, I found their 12" Avant (calm Breeze) was the right personal preferences for me. However, that mattress is $1470, with discounts salesperson said $1200.


There is more about the 3 most important parts of "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While I can't speak to how a mattress will feel for someone else ... outside of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress always depends on knowing the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you can find out the information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to confirm that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Unfortunately the description that you linked for the Ortho Mattress Avant doesn't include all the information I would need to make any meaningful comments about the quality and durability of the materials or the mattress "as a whole". If you can find out the information that you would need to know (listed in the previous link) about the type, quality/density, and thickness of all the layers (which is missing from the description) I'd be happy to let you know if I can see any obvious weak links in the mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the quality and durability of the mattress. I would be particularly careful to make sure that the 3 lb memory foam top layer isn't more than "about an inch or so" because if there are about 2" or more of lower density materials then it could be a weak link in the mattress.

In other words ... the mattress may be a good match for you in terms of suitability and PPP but may not be the best choice in terms of the quality and durability of the materials (again depending on the information you are able to find out about the specifics of the foam layers inside it).

The Sleep Science Black Diamond on the other hand uses good quality materials and there are no obvious weak links in the mattress in terms of durability but you won't be able to try it out in person so the only way to know whether it will be a good "match" for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP will be based on your own sleeping experience after you receive it and have a chance to sleep on it in person.

Since the post you linked was written, South Bay (Sleep Science) has become CertiPUR certified (see here) so at least you know that the materials have been tested for harmful substances and VOC's. I would also keep in mind that there is always some additional risk and uncertainty involved in buying a mattress that is made in China or other imported mattresses that may be subject to longer periods of compression during shipping and storage that can sometimes affect the durability and useful life of the mattress (see post #6 here ).
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There is also more about buying a mattress from Costco in post #4 here . They have a great return policy so there is little risk in "rolling the dice" to find out if you will sleep well on it outside of the time you spend sleeping on it and the time and effort involved in possibly returning it and starting all over again if it doesn't turn out to be as suitable a choice as you hoped for.

If you are also considering online options then the tutorial also includes several links to lists that include the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) that include many different types of mattresses in a wide range of budgets as well that may also be well worth considering.

Basically the bottomline question is, going fromt he $900 Black Diamond to the $1200 OrthoMattress Avant Calm Breeze. What am I getting for $300?


There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one in post #9 here .

Once you have found out all the specs of the Calm Breeze you will be able to compare the quality and durability of the materials (although again I would be cautious about the thickness of any 3 lb memory foam in the top layers of a mattress) but the only way to know how the Black Diamond compares in terms of comfort and PPP and how well you sleep on it (which is the most important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase) will be based on your careful testing or personal experience.

Phoenix
24 Nov 2015 12:47
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I'm looking for a new queen sized mattress. I've been reading a lot about the Sleep Science Black Diamond and see it through post #4 here . I haven't seen any mention of the OrthoMattress Avant series. I went to the store, I found their 12" Avant (calm Breeze) was the right personal preferences for me. However, that mattress is $1470, with discounts salesperson said $1200.

Black diamond link
costco.com/Sleep-Science-Black-Diamond-11%22-Queen-Memory-Foam-Mattress.product.100004021.html

Orthmattress Link
orthomattress.com/calm-breeze.html
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I see that the orthomattress is made from CertiPUR foam more? But black diamond has the risk of VOCs.

I'm just not sure what else. It appears that they both have edges, both are similar thickness and density.

OrthoMattress Avant Calm Breeze 12" has a 3lb gel memory foam layer, then a 4lb open cell memory foam layer, and additional layers? Black Diamond seems to have 5 lb and 5 lb, but it's a mixture foam? So it's like a less equivalent density? how do I know the orthomattress doesn't have a mixture foam as well?

People seem to say the back Diamond is more firm, but I tended to like all the firmer mattresses in the store.

Basically the bottomline question is, going fromt he $900 Black Diamond to the $1200 OrthoMattress Avant Calm Breeze. What am I getting for $300?
16 Oct 2015 12:29
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Hi Martin,

can you please tell us if the Beautyrest Black Kate Luxury Firm Pillow Top Mattress can compare to the Winkbed?


The first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or if you can't test a mattress in person then your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

There is more information in post #9 here about the different ways that one mattress can "match" or "approximate" another one. Every layer and component in a mattress (including the cover) will affect the feel and performance of every other layer and component and the mattress "as a whole" so unless you are able to find another mattress that uses exactly the same type of materials, components, cover, layer thicknesses, layer firmnesses, and overall design (which would be very unlikely) then there really isn't a way to match one mattress to another one in terms of "comfort" and PPP based on the specifications of the mattress.

Matching in terms of firmness or "feel":

Mattress manufacturers generally try to differentiate their mattress from the mattresses made by other manufacturers and don't normally try to "match" another mattress that is made by a different manufacturer so while you may find similar mattresses that use "similar" materials or designs and there would be many others that are in a similar general category (see this article ) ... it's very unlikely that you will find another mattress that is specifically designed to "match" or "approximate" the Winkbeds mattress.

Unless a manufacturer specifically says in their description of a mattress that one of their mattresses in the same general category is designed to "match" or "approximate" another one in terms of firmness or "feel" (or they are very familiar with both mattresses and can provide reliable guidance about how they compare based on the "averages" of a larger group of people) ... the only reliable way to know how two mattresses would compare for you in terms of how they "feel" or in terms of firmness or PPP would be based on your own careful testing or actual sleeping experience on both of them.

There are also no "standard" definitions or consensus of opinions for firmness ratings and different manufacturers can rate their mattresses very differently than others so a mattress that one manufacturer rates as being a specific firmness could be rated very differently by another manufacturer. Different people can also have very different perceptions of firmness and softness compared to others as well and a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel like "medium" for someone else or even "soft" for someone else (or vice versa) depending on their body type, sleeping style, physiology, their frame of reference based on what they are used to, and their individual sensitivity and perceptions. There are also different types of firmness and softness that different people may be sensitive to that can affect how they "rate" a mattress as well (see post #15 here ) so different people can also have very different opinions on how two mattresses compare in terms of firmness and some people may rate one mattress as being firmer than another and someone else may rate them the other way around. This is all relative and very subjective and is as much an art as a science.

While your own careful testing or personal experience is the most reliable way to know whether any mattress is a good "match" for you in terms of comfort and PPP ... when you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Matching in terms of durability:

While I can't speak to how a mattress will feel or how different mattresses will compare in terms of comfort and PPP for someone else ... outside of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) the most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing all the specifics of its design and construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to confirm that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

All the major brands (such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta) tend to use lower quality materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay and I would avoid all of them completely along with any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here ).

Beautyrest Black Kate Luxury Firm Pillow Top Mattress:

Based on the information here and here and using the foam densities that are listed in the descriptions of other Beautyrest Black mattresses here ... these are the layers and components of this mattress along with my comments about each layer ...
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Quilting Layers:
.75" GelTouch Foam: This is a 1.5 lb polyfoam layer which is a little lower density material than the 1.8 lb minimum density I would normally suggest in the upper layers of a mattress.
1" Luxury Firm Comfort Foam: This is a 1.65 lb polyfoam layer which is a little bit higher quality/density but is still just below the 1.8 lb minimum density I would normally suggest in the upper layers of a mattress.

Comfort Layers:
2" AirCool Memory Foam: This is a 2.1 lb memory foam layer which is a very low quality/density material.
.5" Micro Diamond Infused AirCool Memory Foam: This is a 4.5 lb memory foam layer which is a good quality material.
1.5" Micro Pocketed Coil: Microcoils are a good quality and durable component.
.5" Dynamic Response Memory Foam: This is a 3.2 lb memory foam layer which is a low quality material

Support System:
Verifoam Advanced Pocketed Coil System: This is a good quality component
.5" Energy Foam: This is a 1.2 lb polyfoam layer but since it's on the very bottom of the mattress it wouldn't be a weak link in the mattress.
Ventilated AirCool Foam Encasement: This is the foam that surrounds the pocket coil and is used for edge support. They don't list the quality/density of this material.

As you can see ... there are a total of 4.25" of materials in the top 6.25" of the mattress that are either low quality materials or very low quality materials that are much more than "about an inch or so of lower quality/density or unknown materials" that I suggest in the quality/durability guidelines and would be a weak link in this mattress. Like the other major brand mattresses ... I would avoid it completely at any price.

Winkbeds:

You can see some of my comments about Winkbeds along with many of the other "simplified choice" mattresses in post #2 in this topic along with post #2 here . A forum search on winkbed (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well.

As you can see ... it has much less lower quality materials than the Beautyrest Black Kate Luxury Firm Pillow Top but it does include 2" of 1.5 lb polyfoam which is "not bad" but is also more than "about an inch or so of lower quality/density or unknown materials" that I suggest in the guidelines and would be "on the edge" of being a weak link in the mattress in terms of durability.

Just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

Phoenix
17 Dec 2014 12:03
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Hi EZ4HZ,

is that meant to be 2 " comfort layer on top of 2" of support or is that 4" of comfort layer? I know I should be asking the manufacturer but I did and they didn't really seem to know too well.


There is no strict definition of a "comfort layer" or a "support layer because which parts of a mattress primarily provide pressure relief and which parts primarily provide support can depend on the body type and sleeping positions of the person but I would call the top layer a comfort layer and the middle layer is more of a transition layer.

There is more about primary support and secondary support and their relationship to pressure relief and the main functions of different layers in a mattress in post #4 here and in post #2 here

Also have question about latex. I asked them what kind of latex they used and asked if it's 100% natural dunlap. They said it's all dunlap, no blends, no synthetics, and nothing but dunlap but it's not 100% natural. Is that possible? If no synthetics, and no blends, then wouldn't it be 100% natural dunlap then? I don't know much about latex so I'm just asking straight up. And I think dunlap is used more for base/support foam? Or would it be considered adding to the comfort layer? Because only 2" of comfort layer seems a bit slim.


Yes ... there are many manufacturers that use 100% natural Dunlop latex in their mattresses which means that there is no synthetic rubber used in the latex formulation. While 100% of the rubber that is used may be natural, it doesn't mean that 100% of the latex layer itself is rubber because there are other substances that are needed to foam and manufacture the latex (see post #7 here ).

There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

All latex comes in a wide range of firmness levels so any type of latex can be used in comfort layers, transition layers, or support layers depending on the firmness of the latex and the design of the mattress.

There is more about the Sleep Science 11" Black Diamond in post #4 here and a forum search on Sleep Science Black Diamond 11 (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments as well.

There is also more about buying a mattress from Costco in post #4 here and more about the different ways to choose a mattress (local or online) and how to reduce the risks involved with each of them in post #2 here .

Phoenix
31 Aug 2014 12:24
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Hi looking4d,

Last night we went to local retailer and tried out various mattress. My wife is leaning towards a memory foam mattress as i move around quite a bit. It was the Eco 2 model from fxi (fxi.com/products/valeo-collection/eco/eco2.html). However i am unable to find out more about it's construction.


The Eco series are made by Anatomic Global which is owned by FXI which is a US based foam pourer that is CertiPur certified. I have often had difficulty finding out accurate specs for the Anatomic Global mattresses and in some cases they seem to round up the foam densities to the nearest higher round number but I believe that the memory foam layers are mostly in the 3.5 - 4 lb range or the 4.5 - 5 lb range (depending on which layers). I believe their polyfoam transition layers are in the 1.5 lb range. I don't know the density of their base layers. I would make sure you can confirm all these numbers with the retailer you are buying from or the manufacturer (see this article ).

Anyway now i am thinking of getting a mattress with latex support layer(s) and memory foam support layer. So my questions are

1) Does this make sense or would it be better to buy a totally foam mattress?


Memory foam is too soft to be used as a support layer in a mattress so you will only find it in the comfort or transition layers and there will always be some type of firmer support layer or component (polyfoam, latex foam, or an innerspring) under the memory foam for support.

There are also 3 types of foam which are polyfoam, memory foam, and latex foam and all of them are equally "foam" (meaning a material with air bubbles inside it) so it really depends on which specific type of foam mattress you are considering. Which type of mattress you tend to prefer and the mix of different materials and components would be a personal preference (not a better/worse choice). There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but as long as any mattress you choose is a good match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), uses good quality and durable materials (regardless of the type of materials), and compares well to other mattresses you are considering based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you ... then it can make a good choice.

2) Does anybody know where i can find online a mattress with latex and memory foam combination? Saw a lucid mattress at amazon, but i read that the foam is from china (www.amazon.com/LUCID%C2%AE-Plush-Memory-...ttress/dp/B0088YVDP6)


I would always make sure that you know the specifics of all the materials in any mattress you are considering to make sure that any foam layers are a suitable density/quality and that there are no weak links in the mattress. I would also be cautious about Lucid and I would read post #6 here and post #2 here along with this topic and the posts they link to before considering them. A forum search on Lucid (you can just click the link) will also bring up more information about them as well.

I don't have a list of mattresses sorted by materials and I would also keep in mind that there are hundreds of latex and memory foam combinations that would be very different from each other depending on the type, firmness, thickness, and order of the foam layers but off the top of my head My Luxury Mattress and Christeli and Casper and Sleep Science all have a latex/memory foam hybrid of one type or another that use different types and combinations of latex and memory foam. You could also replace one of the latex layers in the Aloe Alexis here with memory foam as well so you would have a combination of both materials. Another option would be to use a latex topper on top of a memory foam mattress or a memory foam topper on top of a latex or latex hybrid mattress and you would also have a memory foam/latex "hybrid" sleeping system as well.

3) Anyone has opinion about fxi mattress and what is a equivalent mattress online?


This would depend on what you mean by equivalent. There is more about the many different ways that one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here but if you are looking for equivalent quality/durability then a mattress that used the same type and quality of foam layers would be equivalent in terms of durability even though it may feel and perform very differently.

If you are looking for a mattress that is "equivalent" in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) and how it "feels" then the only reliable ways to find a mattress that was a "close approximation" would be to find a manufacturer who makes a mattress that was specifically designed to be equivalent to the Eco 2 and specifies this in their online description (which isn't likely because the Eco 2 isn't popular enough for a manufacturer to use it as a reference point in their design), talk to an online retailer or manufacturer that is very familiar with the Eco 2 and has specifically compared it to the mattresses they sell, or test both mattresses in person in a side by side comparison so you can "feel" how close they are in person.

I would also be aware that these types of comparisons can be very subjective and can vary depending on each person's body type and sleeping positions so two mattresses that feel similar to one person may feel different to another.

Phoenix
03 Jun 2014 15:23
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Hi GaryA,

Anyone have experience with the Sleep Science beds? Any comments as to the firmness of them?


I don't have any personal experience with their mattresses but you can see some comments about Sleep Science in post #2 here .

There is more about the Sleep Science 11" Black Diamond in post #4 here and a forum search on Sleep Science Black Diamond 11 (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments as well.

There is also more about buying a mattress from Costco in post #4 here .

Each person's experience on a mattress can be very different from someone else and what one person finds too firm another will find too soft but the good news with Costco is that they have a good return policy so each person can decide for themselves based on their own personal experience. I think if anything though that most people would probably put this mattress in the firmer side of the range than the softer side.

I would also keep in mind that if you do decide to purchase this mattress that you can buy it as a mattress only and then you could choose an adjustable bed as a separate purchase if there was a different adjustable bed that provided better features in the same budget range. Post #3 here and the adjustable bed thread it links to may help you decide on which adjustable bed would be best for you. Of course if you compare different adjustable beds and the Sleep Science is still the best option for you then you can still purchase them together but I would always compare mattress to mattress and adjustable bed to adjustable bed and treat them as two independent purchases so you are confident that each one is the best choice for you without being "forced" to buy them together.

As you can see in the picture, there is a wooden bed frame - headboard, footboard, side boards. But they are not sold as part of the set. Where would I find one?


Most furniture stores would carry wooden bedframes and if they are a standard size (and you can measure to make sure) then the adjustable bed should fit inside it.

Just in case you haven't read it yet ... I would also make sure you've read the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice.

Phoenix
03 Jun 2014 14:27
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Looking for a adjustable bed for an 85 year old man. He currently has a twin and hates the small size.

We settled on a queen Sleep Science Black Diamond. $2200 from Costco online.

www.costco.com/Sleep-Science-Black-Diamond-11%22-Queen-Memory-Foam-Mattress-with-Adjustable-Base.product.100007765.html

Anyone have experience with the Sleep Science beds? Any comments as to the firmness of them?

I called South Bay International a few weeks ago because I had some questions and left a message. Got no return call. Seems to be typical of people these days - can't be bothered to return calls about anything.

As you can see in the picture, there is a wooden bed frame - headboard, footboard, side boards. But they are not sold as part of the set. Where would I find one? I am seeing frames on Ebay, but they all look too short - I want to be able to hide the metal bed frame behind the wood.

Thanks.
26 Mar 2014 14:54
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Hi ecollins,

My husband and I are in the market for a new mattress and most likely adjustable bed so that he can elevate his head (sleep apnea, back problems). After getting discouraged by the prices of sleepnumber bed solutions, I stumbled upon your website (thank goodness - what an education you have provided me!) and I think am interested in a latex hybrid mattress with the ability to split and adjust.


I'm glad you found us :)

The first place I would start your research is the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

I would also treat the purchase of a mattress and an adjustable bed as two separate purchases. A mattress choice will be much more of an individual choice while the purchase of an adjustable bed which all have similar features and options available will be more of a "price vs features" purchase. There is more about buying an adjustable bed in post #3 here and the adjustable bed thread it links to which includes some sources that you can use as a "value reference".

If you are looking at an adjustable bed then it's also important that you confirm that any mattress you purchase will work well on it but other than this is won't affect which mattress is best for you.

I'm assuming what makes the sleep number bed individually adjustable is an air mattress, which you seem to not be a big fan of.


Yes ... the air bladder is primarily a support system not a comfort layer and air is either fully compressed or not compressed at all and has no "progressive resistance" that can adapt to changing conditions or sleeping positions (outside of manual adjustments) unlike other types of support systems or components. There is more about the pros and cons or airbeds in this article .

A colleague told me to look at Costco at their beds which sell for about $2500 for mattress and adjustable bed base.


You can see some of my thoughts about buying from Costco in post #4 here .

You can read about one of the conversations I had with Sleep Science in post #2 here .

My thoughts about the 11" Black Diamond are in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

My thoughts about the Sleep Science Emma (Costco's 10" mattress) are in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

Phoenix
26 Mar 2014 11:20
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Hi,
My husband and I are in the market for a new mattress and most likely adjustable bed so that he can elevate his head (sleep apnea, back problems). After getting discouraged by the prices of sleepnumber bed solutions, I stumbled upon your website (thank goodness - what an education you have provided me!) and I think am interested in a latex hybrid mattress with the ability to split and adjust.
I'm assuming what makes the sleep number bed individually adjustable is an air mattress, which you seem to not be a big fan of.
A colleague told me to look at Costco at their beds which sell for about $2500 for mattress and adjustable bed base.
What are your thoughts about SleepScience 10" or the 11" Black Diamond?
Am I deluding myself about paying less than $5000.00 for this bed?
Thanks for any insights.
20 Mar 2014 13:41
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Hi Mmitch44,

I live in Columbus, Ohio - 43221.


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Columbus, OH area are listed in post #2 here .

I think I'm going to go with a mattress set from Costco. I like their return policy so if I have any problems, I'll be protected.
Here are the three that look good to me:
1) Ara 13" King Memory Foam Mattress with Foundation 100% Visco Foam, $1,300 for king set
2) Sleep Science Black Diamond 11" King Memory Foam Mattress with Foundation, $1,600 for king set
3) Sleep Science Cool Retreat 11" King Mattress with Folding Foundation, $1,500 for king set

Any final suggestions??


I would make sure you read the tutorial post before buying any of these because none of them would be a mattress I would personally consider based on the guidelines I would suggest using. The tutorial post also includes a link to some of the better online memory foam manufacturers and retailers I'm aware of.

You can see my thoughts about buying from Costco or a big box store in post #4 here .

There is more about the Ara in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

There is more about the Black Diamond in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

There is more about the Cool Retreat in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

Overall ... none of the mattresses you are looking at would be my first choice for all the reasons I mentioned but as you mentioned the Costco return policy may be enough to make them the "best choice for you" based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
20 Mar 2014 09:47
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Greetings Phoenix,
thanks for your help.
Love the help from this website.
by the way, I live in Columbus, Ohio - 43221.
I think I'm going to go with a mattress set from Costco. I like their return policy so if I have any problems, I'll be protected.
Here are the three that look good to me:
1) Ara 13" King Memory Foam Mattress with Foundation 100% Visco Foam, $1,300 for king set
2) Sleep Science Black Diamond 11" King Memory Foam Mattress with Foundation, $1,600 for king set
3) Sleep Science Cool Retreat 11" King Mattress with Folding Foundation, $1,500 for king set

Any final suggestions??
19 Feb 2014 18:30
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Hi ttmone,

I saw Sleep science black diamond mattress split king for 2500$ which is half off what NFM wanted for icomfort. Can you please let me know your thoughts on this Mattress?


You can see my thoughts about the Sleep Science Black Diamond in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

I also visited Midwest bedding company a local retailer, he had a mattress with 2" gel and 1" latex and other stuff. he is asking for 2800 dollars for adjustable frame and split king bed.


When you are comparing mattresses I would use "mattress only" prices because one "set" may have a different price base or adjustable bed than another which makes comparing the mattresses impossible if the price is for the set.

I would treat an adjustable bed as a separate purchase based on the features you want and price comparisons between the ones that have similar features regardless of brand because they all perform similar functions. Post #3 here and the adjustable bed thread it links to may be helpful for choosing an adjustable bed and it also has some sources you can use for a "value" reference point.

Which one of these would you suggest? Costco seems to have better return policy. They said i can return it anytime if i am not satisfied.


I don't know the specifics of the mattress you are looking at with Midwest bedding but I personally wouldn't buy the Sleep Science for the reasons I mentioned in the post I linked so out of the two of them I would choose the mattress at Midwest Bedding (assuming there were no lower density materials in the mattress) but having said that each person may have their own personal value equation and make their final choice for different reasons than I would.

Please help me choose right mattress.


The tutorial post (linked at the top right corner of the page) has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and know how to avoid the worst ones.

You've probably seen this but the list of better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Omaha area are in post #2 here and Midwest Bedding would certainly be one of the better options in the area.

Phoenix
03 Jan 2014 16:51
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Hi DarkFiber1,

The first place I would start your mattress research is the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and know how to avoid the worst ones.

You can read more of my thoughts about the Sleep Science Black Diamond in post #2 here and the links it includes.

Phoenix
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