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23 Sep 2016 09:05
  • zexpress
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So I have been looking for a new mattress on and off for basically the past year. My almost 6 year old Comforpedic was never a good fit for me as at first it was too firm and then too hot as it softened up and I began to sink in more.

With all these new mattress in a box companies coming up I decided to start there. My first was the #BestMattressEver in soft. I had been debating between soft and medium but they convinced me soft was the right choice as I was a light weight mostly side sleeper and that soft latex still wouldn't sink like memory foam. Anyway soft turned out to be too soft, the mattress had horrible edge support and it was 3 inches narrow and 2 inches short of Queen size so it went back. To be fair they offered me a medium and another trial period since my first was essentially defective but I turned them down as the poor quality control really bothered me.

Next I went with the Nest Alexander Hybrid (the original model). On paper I loved the idea of this mattress with the feel of memory foam and the overall support and solid edges of springs. I tried this one for almost 3 months but while I loved the edge support I found the mattress to be too soft and feel too much like a traditional mattress and less like the hybrids from Tempurpedic and the big S manufacturers. I will say Joe made me an excellent exchange offer to keep me as a customer and while I did like the regular Nest Alexander in medium (second version) as well as the Honest Cool Sleeper that I tried in their stores I didn't want to take the risk since I would no longer get a trial period if I took him up on his exchange offer. I will add that I was annoyed that my honest 4 star review for the mattress was never posted and this factored into my decision. To me if you are going to allow reviews on your site you should allow all reviews barring them being flat out fake or malicious neither of which mine was.

After that I took a break from looking until a few weeks ago when my friend had mentioned her friend buying the Brentwood Home Coronado from Costco and loving it. The online reviews while obviously subjective since everyone is different matched up to what I was looking for, plush at the very top but firm just underneath. I also liked it having a wool top layer as sleeping hot is always a concern with me after my Comforpedic. The specs even seemed to closely follow the ones of the two Nest mattresses I did like so I was definitely hopeful. Plus with Costco you get their amazing return policy which even manages to best the trial periods offered by most mattress in a box companies.

Anyway last week I noticed the mattress was on sale at Costco for $100 off which itself was $200 lower than what Brentwood charges for the exact same mattress (Brentwood confirmed the one from their site and Costco are identical despite the price differences). I figured I had nothing to lose. I have now slept on it for a week and am pretty happy so far. The mattress is definitely firmer than I expected but not uncomfortable. As with any mattress I figure it will take a few weeks for my body to adjust as well as the top layers to soften a bit. I was also pleasantly surprised at how similar it felt to the Nest Honest Cool Sleeper, even down to the great edge support for an all foam mattress. Looking at the labels it appears both are manufactured in the same place even however the Coronado was half the price. I guess this makes sense as Brentwood is a division of SilverRest and SilverRest makes many of the mattresses sold by Nest.

Overall while it's still early I am happy that I may have found the one and at such a great price to boot. I know a lot of other people on this site have looked at the medium Nest Alexander and if you don't mind something a bit firmer you should definitely check out the Coronado from Brentwood Home, especially if you are a Costco member. I will try and post updates in this thread over the next couple months to indicate how it goes but as long as it softens up a touch more but not too much I can't imagine it not being a keeper.
21 Apr 2016 13:48
  • phoenix
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Hi scarylarry,

I'm writing this in regards to Nest Bedding, particularly the Alexander Signature Select mattress. I've been considering purchasing one of these mattresses, and saw that the entire Nest line has recently been changed. The current Signature Select (medium) bears only a passing resemblance to the old one, internally and externally. I see that the main comfort layer uses 4" of "4 gel memory foam" (I assume they mean 4lb), 1" of "4 visco foam" (again, I assume this means 4lb), and that the support layers are a transition foam and a base foam.


They recently (around March 20th) changed their Alexander series and the Love bed but not the entire line.

The old Signature Select medium contained the following materials ...

1.5" polyfoam quilting.
2" of 4lb gel memory foam
2" of 4lb memory foam
8" 2.0 density convoluted support layer.

The new design contains the following materials ...

2" of 1.5 lb polyfoam quilting
4" of 4 lb gel memory foam
1" of 4 lb memory foam
2" of "smartflow air flow foam" (which I believe is 1.8 lb polyfoam but you can confirm this with them)
4" of 1.8 lb polyfoam.

In the case of this specific mattress ... the major changes would be using 2" of 1.5 lb quilting material (which is a little thicker than I would normally suggest), an increase of 1" in the amount of 4 lb memory foam, and a change from a 2.0 lb base layer to 1.8 lb base layers.

I would consider the new design to be "very slightly" less durable than the old design because of the thicker layer of lower density quilting foam (which is "on the edge" of the thickness that I would normally be comfortable with) and the slightly lower density polyfoam base layers but with 7" of foam above it the slightly lower density of the base layer would only be a meaningful factor in much higher weight ranges.

The old design would have been suitable in terms of durability for those that aren't in higher weight ranges (more than the lower 200's or so) but I suggested caution for those that are in higher weight ranges where I would reduce or minimize the use of 4 lb memory foam.

The new design would be "slightly" less durable mostly because of the effect of the thicker quilting layer because the slightly lower density of the base foam would really only have a meaningful affect on those in higher weight ranges ... so I would probably suggest "caution" at a slightly lower weight range (perhaps anywhere in the 200's).

I am wondering if you know anything about why the mattress has changed so much, and whether this is due to changing manufacturers. Additionally, I am wondering whether you still feel confident that the mattress uses high-quality materials.


They would be the only ones that can tell you all the reasons why they decided to make some changes but you can see a few comments about this in post #31 here and post #37 here .

Upon doing some research, it appears that the Alexander Signature Select is being made by Silver-Rest in Pico Rivera, CA. I can't find too much info about them online, except that they also sell budget memory foam mattresses through amazon. Some of the amazon reviews for their other mattresses mention the foam breaking down completely within 1-2 years.

Do you happen to know if SilverRest is a reputable manufacturer? Do you happen to know if they are a new manufacturer for Nest? My main reason for going with Nest is that this site and others have praised the high quality of the materials used in their mattresses. I want to get a high-quality mattress that I can reasonably expect to last 5-10 years.


While nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or how the changes would affect any specific person because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and because you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress ... outside of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) which is the most important part of "value", the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label (or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new) so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress relative to your body type and weight that would be a cause for concern in terms of the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

I know that they changed manufacturers for their Alexander series and their Love Bed but I don't know the name of the new manufacturer although it would be on the law label.

Obviously, it is too soon to judge the longevity of the new mattress based on reviews on the Nest website, as they only started shipping these in the last few months. I am asking through this forum rather than asking Nest directly, because they have an obvious vested interest in touting the product they're selling.


The most accurate and meaningful way to assess the quality and durability of a mattress is by knowing the type and quality/density of all the materials and components inside it because the relative durability of specific materials and components is already known regardless of which manufacturer uses it in their mattress or how long a specific design has been available for sale. You would need to wait for many years to be able to assess the durability of a mattress based on customer feedback (and even then the majority of reviews wouldn't be particularly reliable anyway ... see post #13 here ) and in many cases by that time a mattress may not even be available for sale any longer anyway.

While there is no way to specifically quantify how long any mattress will last for a specific person or predict exactly when they will decide to replace it because it is no longer suitable or comfortable for them (because this is the only real measure of durability or the useful life of a mattress that really matters) and because there are too many unknowns and variables involved that are unique to each person ... if a mattress is well inside a suitable comfort/support range and isn't close to the edge of being too soft when it is new (see post #2 here ) and you have confirmed that it meets the minimum quality/durability specs that are suggested in the guidelines here then it would be reasonable to expect a useful lifetime in the range of 7 - 10 years and with higher quality and more durable materials like latex or higher density memory foam or polyfoam (in the comfort layers especially) it would likely be in the higher end of the range or even longer and the chances that you would have additional "bonus time" would be higher as well.

If a mattress is "on the edge" or slightly lower than the minimum guidelines relative to your weight range then it would be reasonable to slightly reduce your expectations accordingly.

Phoenix
21 Apr 2016 12:12
  • scarylarry
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Hi Phoenix,

I'm writing this in regards to Nest Bedding, particularly the Alexander Signature Select mattress. I've been considering purchasing one of these mattresses, and saw that the entire Nest line has recently been changed. The current Signature Select (medium) bears only a passing resemblance to the old one, internally and externally. I see that the main comfort layer uses 4" of "4 gel memory foam" (I assume they mean 4lb), 1" of "4 visco foam" (again, I assume this means 4lb), and that the support layers are a transition foam and a base foam.

I am wondering if you know anything about why the mattress has changed so much, and whether this is due to changing manufacturers. Additionally, I am wondering whether you still feel confident that the mattress uses high-quality materials.

Upon doing some research, it appears that the Alexander Signature Select is being made by Silver-Rest in Pico Rivera, CA. I can't find too much info about them online, except that they also sell budget memory foam mattresses through amazon. Some of the amazon reviews for their other mattresses mention the foam breaking down completely within 1-2 years.

Do you happen to know if SilverRest is a reputable manufacturer? Do you happen to know if they are a new manufacturer for Nest? My main reason for going with Nest is that this site and others have praised the high quality of the materials used in their mattresses. I want to get a high-quality mattress that I can reasonably expect to last 5-10 years.

Obviously, it is too soon to judge the longevity of the new mattress based on reviews on the Nest website, as they only started shipping these in the last few months. I am asking through this forum rather than asking Nest directly, because they have an obvious vested interest in touting the product they're selling.

Thanks so much,
Larry
10 Feb 2016 09:38
  • davess
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A little background:

I'm tall (6'3") and fluctuate between 210 and 220 lbs, and am a back and side sleeper. My wife is small (5'3") and weighs around 115 and is a stomach sleeper. I have a history of lower back pain.

Since 2009, we have been sleeping on a SilverRest Sleep Shop Therapeutic 12-Inch Memory Foam Mattress (www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EPMODC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage) on a cheap platform bed with slats ~ 4 inches apart.

For the first few years, the mattress was great, and we both slept comfortably. The last couple months, however, it has been sagging in the middle. I believe this is a combination of 1) wear on the mattress and 2) the fact that the middle slat in our platform bed broke in our last move, so there's a foot gap in between slats.

Prior to finding this site, I did some cursory research and ordered 1) a Leesa mattress and 2) a Charles P. Rogers Medera platform (www.charlesprogers.com/madera-platform-bed-c-31_214.html?zenid=4qe030b0m46ngrfcblhv6lssq1).. The Leesa arrived last week, and the platform will arrive on Friday.

The first couple nights, the Leesa felt great and I woke up with no back pain. Last night however, I woke up in the middle of the night with excruciating spasms, something that hasn't happened to me in years. I'm going to try the Leesa on the floor tonight to see if it's the bad platform that's the main problem, but in light of your concerns about the durability of the Leesa, I'm thinking that my plan will be as follows:

- Order a Savvy Rest bed rug to go under the mattress, since the new platform is solid upholstered squares.
- Go to Nest and try out some of their mattresses (I live in San Francisco)
- Go to Foamorder and try out some of their memory foam mattresses
- Choose a new mattress from either Nest or Foamorder depending on what feels best, and return the Leesa.

I realize that you don't give advice on particular mattresses here (and I've learned the hard way to take advice with a large grain of salt) but am wondering if you think my approach makes sense based on what I've described above. Is there anything I'm not considering that I should be? Or any other local shops you'd recommend I check out?

Thanks so much.
07 Oct 2015 10:05
  • Barry Stuckman
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Hello everyone!

I'm rather new to this wonderful community, so please bear with me.

It could very well be that I missed something, but after reading the "Mattress Shopping Tutorial", as well as skimming through most of the other articles available on this site, I wasn't able to find anything that supports this statement:

If the mattress matches the criteria that I listed in terms of quality/value and you know the details of all the layers then I would consider it in terms of it's "value" yes. this means knowing the details of every layer (including foam density) and knowing that it used CertiPur certified materials or at the very least that the materials were made in North America.


Here's my quick takeaway from this: (in terms of quality, not PPP)
  1. CertiPur-US certification > Country of manufacture
  2. Being made in the USA, Canada, or even Mexico is the next best thing to CertiPur
  3. A CertiPur made in China is more promising than a non-CeritPur from the US

Please feel free to correct any misinterpretations I may have made. I'd just really like to have some clarification on the importance of these two attributes in specific relation to the overall quality (PPP aside) of a mattress. One of my main concerns is that the CertiPur certification has lost some of its value. Reason being, there is a substantial amount of manufacturers on the list now that weren't there a few years ago. Of course, this is to be expected (progress and all that), but I remember seeing the list just in 2013 and it was considerably shorter. Here's a perfect example:

I would also confirm that the manufacturer of your mattress is listed on the CertiPur list here (some retailers use the CertiPur logo but aren't on the list). I believe that the Brentwood Well-Being mattresses are made by SilverRest which also isn't on the CertiPur list.

ADMIN NOTE: Removed 404 page link | Archived Footprint: certipur.us/pages/for-consumers/find-products/

That quote is from May of 2014. Both, Brentwood and SilverRest are now on the list. So while I can understand that change is inevitable, I'd be foolish to brush-off a sudden influx that occurred within a year's time. It's probably nothing, but it sure would mean a lot to have you guys put me at ease on this matter.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to be part of this community and having a place where I can voice my concerns. I look forward to your replies.
09 Aug 2014 20:10
  • dzignr_tastz
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Hi dsignr_tastz, the competition may not come from their own store if they're promoting their own brands, but from others in a similar category also sold on amazon or elsewhere. They'd be competing against dreamfoam's lineup of memory foam, night therapy, lucid etc. It sounds like whoever answered the question of densities didn't understand the question or how to answer and gave what info they could, which would be the foam density for the memory foam and the thickness (not the density) of the core foam. This would be from people without proper education on the product or materials. Trying to determine the feel of different polyfoam densities would be hard to do. I'm sure they have a slightly different feel either in compression subtleties or weight - but for polyfoam, density doesn't correlate to firmness. You could have low density foam (larger air pockets) that felt the same, softer or firmer than another piece of denser foam (more poly material, smaller air pockets).


But why create a totally different identity to compete with DreamFoam, Lucid, etc., as they were already selling memory foam mattresses under the SilverRest name (and still are). I guess perhaps they could have just wanted a 'memory foam only' brand...

And yeah... didn't know, or they were just spouting random numbers off the top of their head.

So if density doesn't really relate to softness or firmness, than what does? I know IFD basically measures softness (deflection = resistance), but what determines how much resistance there is (as there's plenty with mine - LOL)? I was under the assumption that since air compresses more than a tangible substance (especially when allowed to flow out of it), how many air pockets there are in the foam and their size (which sounds like your description of density) would have a lot to do with softness and overall compression? I mean, if there were no air pockets whatsoever, would it not be semi-rigid?

Hi dzignr_tastz,

With latex density is directly related to firmness (but only if you are comparing the same type and blend of latex).

With polyfoam and memory foam density is the most important factor in the durability of the material (see post #4 here and the posts it links to about the variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to a specific person) but any density of memory foam or polyfoam can be made in a wide range of firmness levels. Density does have more of a connection to the compression modulus of the foam which is also part of perceived firmness (see post #4 here ) but it's not directly related to comfort or firmness. There is also more about some (but not all) of the different foam specifications that can affect the feel or suitability of a mattress design in post #2 here . Resilience is a measure of the percentage rebound when you drop a steel ball on a layer of foam. Memory foam for example has almost no resilience regardless of its density because it's a slow response material that "absorbs" energy (and turns it into heat) while latex stores energy (like an innerspring) and then bounces back and has a higher resilience than most other types of foam which is why it's more "springy" or "bouncy".

Phoenix


Thanks for the explanation. And while I know when we speak of "comfort", like "beauty", it is in the eye of the beholder, I guess I'm more focused on the term "sinking in feeling" (as I was informed), which I assume would definitely be, at least partially, related to density, as that would have more to do with the "compression modulus". And on that same note, I believe I meant to use "resistance" (thus opposing that "sinking in feeling") as opposed to "resilience".
09 Aug 2014 17:52
  • dzignr_tastz
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OK... here's one of my concerns with the whole thing (besides the obvious tear in the 'cheesecloth' surround, which was not of my doing although I did take the opportunity to take a peek at the layers as you can see). The tag also says it is a "Brentwood" mattress that was manufactured by Springfield Mattress, which is associated with SilverRest, both of which are associated with BRK Group, and SleepShop is a 'company' with no website but just an Amazon presence that sells multiple brands from the 'group' (pun intended), and ALL the company websites (or those have have them) are all administrated by the same company (and person in most cases), BRK .

So my question is... why exactly do you need 7 different corporate identities to produce and sell a single line of mattresses if there's nothing 'odd' going on?

That aside, what are your personal opinions on the quality of the mattress (and I know you can only tell so much from pictures). The top layer obviously had a few blue gel beads throughout it, but it was still white (not blue) viscoelastic foam as a base, and was nowhere near similar (in my opinion) to the mattress toppers or gel foam samples I played with in a store or two, nor do I think it has the compression or comfort levels of the other samples (which could have been lower densities or just well broken-in). There is definitely a 'memory' characteristic to it, but considering the bed is excessively firm in both my and my partners opinions (which was my primary reason for going on this current journey before deciding how to handle my displeasure), especially below the top layer, I'm just curious to hear others, more educated opinions on the overall composition of the thing... you know, aside from the noticeably sloped sides as you go from bottom to top and torn surround which is too tight (despite being stretchable fabric) and compresses the corners slightly (this much worse on some customers' final product).

I mean - I know it's an "affordable" memory foam mattress, and I figured they would 'cut corners' (again... pun intended) somewhere, as the cliche "you get what you pay for" usually applies across the board, but at this point I'm undecided as to what is 'acceptable', what constitutes manufacturing defects, and how much of a fight I'm willing to put up for he price I paid.

Thanks for all the help!
08 Aug 2014 22:38
  • phoenix
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Hi dzignr_tastz,

1) They are advertising that this particular line of Brentwood mattresses are "Made In The USA", which, given their importing practices, if they are indeed not "all of virtually all" made of US-sourced foam, this stands to be a decent FTC violation. I did, however, see a horizontal and vertical foam cutting machine on one of those bills of lading, so that throws another variable into the mix.


One of the challenges of some "made in the USA" claims is that the mattress may be assembled in the USA but the materials are imported from elsewhere. It's certainly possible that foam buns are being imported from China that are being slit and assembled into a mattress in the US. SilverRest is also a licensee for King Koil which is a top 15 manufacturer so it wouldn't be unusual that they would be importing a foam slitting machine. It would be interesting to look at the law tag on your mattress to see what it says.

2) None of the companies you noted (SleepShop, BRK Group, or SilverRest) are on that CertiPUR-US list, which coincidentally, would make perfect sense if they are indeed importing their foam. Additionally, if that's the case... more false advertising practices.


There are a few Chinese foam manufacturers that are on the CertiPur list and your post led me to take a look today and the company that was listed in the import record ( Shanghai Gaoyu Foam Products ) is now listed on the CertiPur list under Glory Home Furnishings* (they weren't listed the last time I checked a few months ago). Having said that they are listed for viscoelastic memory foam not gel memory foam or polyfoam which are separate categories.
ADMIN NOTE: *Removed 404 link|Archived Footprint: certipur.us/pages/find-a-foam-supplier/shanghai-glory-home-furnishings-co-ltd/

Of course this says nothing about the quality/density of the foam and I would want to know the density of all the layers in any mattress I purchased.

3) While I'm usually a research fanatic (to a fault at times), I pulled the trigger based on price and overall Amazon reviews and price (which was $479 OTD at the time I bought it). I also, however, do not like being misled or lied to, and with the circumstantial evidence I've now seen regarding their potential manufacturing processes, I'm wondering if that's not the case. If so, God help them. ;)


I think that one of the biggest difficulties with this type of research that leads to Chinese sources is that there are so many uncertainties involved and so many dots to connect together that it can be very difficult to find out accurate information that you can verify. In these cases the approach that I generally take is that I treat the high level of uncertainty itself and the lack of transparency as a risk factor which means that finding out reliable and trustworthy information (such as foam density) would become even more important.

Sometimes a member here will connect some dots that leads to a new trail (such as in this topic about a foam supplier that I was never able to find out where they sourced their polyfoam or memory foam) so if you do find out any additional information it would be great if you could post it here.

Phoenix
08 Aug 2014 22:22
  • brass
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Hi dzignr_tastz, i took a look again through registered trademarks and some things have changed. BRK Group used to be the owner of SilveRest but is no longer. Apparently they let the trademark expire and SilverRest Sleep Innovations is the owner of the Brentwood brand. Not knowing the details, maybe the company consolidated, maybe they split partnership from BRK Group etc. I'm not sure of the details of 'made in the usa' qualifications, but seems like many materials can be imported with very little final fitting done here in the usa and qualify as 'made in the usa'. For all I know, that could mean they import the foam, cut it to size here and wrap a mattress ticking around it here. Not being on the certipur-us list doesn't instantly mean they're imported, there's many certipur-us foams that come from overseas. They could be using a certipur certified supplier for the foam, if the company is going through changes (such as breaking away or dissolving the BRK Group ownership of SilverRest). I would think if a company for instance decided to use FoamByMail (much as they're disliked, they're certified), construct a mattress and it would be certipur-us certified. (Unless the details stipulate it has to be certified as a complete mattress assembly and individual foams used in construction doesn't count).

Things like mattresses and foams are big business and a quick look around a place like alibaba (where items can be imported by the hundreds if you're in a position to import and order in large quantity) - you'll see a LOT of familiar looking products. From velour zippered covers all over ebay/amazon to more popular 4 way stretch knit zip covers, typically selling for $60+ and come to find out they're $12 a piece with a min order of 200-2000 pieces. Of course there's also shipping fees, duties etc I'm sure.

I'm wondering if they never were on the certipur-us listings, or if they've been dropped due to branding change and are resubmitting. It wasn't that long ago, maybe a few months when I was doing research that the SilverRest brand was an active trademark belonging to BRK Group and now no longer does.

Another quirk I noticed when searching, maybe they've since combined but there seems to be a 'certipur-us' and a 'certipur' (european) label. When attempting to go to one of the certipur websites, it was broken. Certipur-us works and europur works, but not plain certipur (without the -us). In some places I noticed the Amazon ad said "certipur", in other places it said "certipur-us" so who knows. Amazon ads aren't known to be the most accurate, subject to mistakes and typos. Maybe the seller wasn't even sure (sad, but it happens) which one it was.

Unfortunately a lot of advertising is hype and spinning things. That Brentwood mattress also says it uses natural bamboo for the cover. Bamboo has become a huge rage in mattress and topper covers, and I'm sure some of it may be from natural bamboo. A lot of it is rayon made from bamboo fibers and there have been mentions of companies like amazon, sears, kmart, macy's etc paying fines for selling mislabeled products. Passing off rayon as 'bamboo', since apparently the rayon process is such an intensive one (and not very 'green') that little to no benefit exists from the bamboo any longer in rayon form. Maybe mattress tickings are part of the exception, but the national resources defense council states natural bamboo linen is 'green' but it's seldom seen due to its' labor and cost. If this applies to mattress ticking, then it would be hard to imagine a budget mattress using materials that are costly and labor intensive.

Everything has become confusing with word play - 100% latex, 100% natural latex, natural latex, organic, natural, certified organic, manufactured in the u.s. vs made in the u.s., you name it. Used to be everything meant what it said, it was either organic or it wasn't. If it was made in the u.s., it either was or it wasn't. Not so much now days.

Hopefully Phoenix can clear up any issues with my generalizations if I made errors, it's so deep it could be a career all of its' own. I'm by no means a trademark expert or expert on corporations, licensing, certifications or anything else. Just a casual lay person trying to make sense of it without falling all the way down the rabbit hole. I didn't bring a long enough rope :P
08 Aug 2014 20:28
  • dzignr_tastz
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Hey Phoenix. I going to dig this up because I recently purchased a king size model of the very same 13" Brentwood Gel Foam the OP was asking about, and ultimately, after being a bit disappointed with the overall construction and comfort level, spent the past few hours (before ironically running across this thread) following the very same whois trail you obviously did, and also came back with pretty much all of the same information (and screenshots of it) that you did in regards to their importing practices. That said, here are my primary concerns...

1) They are advertising that this particular line of Brentwood mattresses are "Made In The USA", which, given their importing practices, if they are indeed not "all of virtually all" made of US-sourced foam, this stands to be a decent FTC violation. I did, however, see a horizontal and vertical foam cutting machine on one of those bills of lading, so that throws another variable into the mix.

2) None of the companies you noted (SleepShop, BRK Group, or SilverRest) are on that CertiPUR-US list, which coincidentally, would make perfect sense if they are indeed importing their foam. Additionally, if that's the case... more false advertising practices.

3) While I'm usually a research fanatic (to a fault at times), I pulled the trigger based on price and overall Amazon reviews and price (which was $479 OTD at the time I bought it). I also, however, do not like being misled or lied to, and with the circumstantial evidence I've now seen regarding their potential manufacturing processes, I'm wondering if that's not the case. If so, God help them. ;)

Anyway - any additional insight you might have or be able to provide would be appreciated, and feel free to read my detailed (and lengthy) review on the 13" model on Amazon, under the same alias as my user name here. Thanks in advance!
20 Jul 2014 19:29
  • phoenix
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Hi thatsdopefoo,

The first place I would start your mattress research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible choices in any budget range ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

You can read a little more about SilverRest in post #4 here and a forum search on Silverrest (you can just click the link) will bring up more information about them as well.

I would be very cautious here because the specs they list on the Amazon site don't match their shipping weight (similar to some of the other comments I linked) and it's very likely that the quality of the memory foam is lower than what they are listing. In a queen size ... if the top 3" of memory foam was really 5.3 lb density then the top layer alone would weigh about 44 lbs and since the mattress is listed as weighing 70 lbs that means the 7" support core would weight less than 25 lbs (after taking the cover into account) and this would mean that the density of the support core would only be 1.2 lbs. It's much more likely that the memory foam is lower density than they are listing.

The tutorial post also includes several links to some of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and they include some much less risky and better quality value options that I would consider.

Post #4 here includes some of the better lower budget memory foam, polyfoam, and innerspring mattresses I'm aware of that would be well worth considering and posts #3 and #4 here also include some of the better quality and lower budget latex and latex hybrid options as well.

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22 May 2014 19:04
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Hi KingSpore,

The first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

The most important part of a mattress purchase is your confidence in how well it matches your unique needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Outside of PPP ... I would also make sure you have all the information mentioned in this article about any mattress you are considering because the quality/durability of the materials relative to the price you are paying is the next most important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase (you can see the quality/density guidelines here ).

Finally the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price and any return or exchange options) would also be an important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase.

I would also confirm that the manufacturer of your mattress is listed on the CertiPur list here* (some retailers use the CertiPur logo but aren't on the list). I believe that the Brentwood Well-Being mattresses are made by SilverRest which also isn't on the CertiPur list.
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I would also be uncomfortable dealing with a retailer or manufacturer where I didn't know who made the mattresses they are selling or the country of origin of their foam (regardless of where the mattress was made or assembled). You can see some comments about Asian imports in post #6 here .

In the case of Sleep Shop which sells the Brentwood Well-Being mattresses ... their contact email is @thecompletesleepshop.com and thecompleteslepshop.com forwards to www.meritmart.com

Merit Mart in turn is related to Silver Rest and BRK Group in Pico Rivera including BRK Imports which in turn imports (or at least was importing) from China .

All of this leads to more questions than answers and I would personally be a little cautious in dealing with them and at a very minimum I would make sure you know the specifics of every layer in the mattress and that you can confirm that they are CertiPur certified and that they are using the logo legitimately.

Dreamfoam is much easier because they are a member of this site, are CertiPur certified, are sourced and made in the US, are transparent about the materials in their mattress, and compete well with the best in the industry so I would have no hesitations about purchasing a mattress from them that was likely to be a good match for you in terms of PPP and that used the type and quality/density of materials that you are comfortable with in your budget range. They also make some lower budget memory foam mattresses if you are committed to or prefer memory foam.

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18 Mar 2014 18:59
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Hi cinn,

I'm sorry to hear about your experience with your Satbed but I appreciate you taking the time to share it.

My mom got very sick at the same time so when I called to return the mattress I was a few days past the trial period and stuck with a mattress over $2000.00.


Some manufacturers aren't quite so "rigid" about their trial period and are more willing to make exceptions if it's just a matter of a few days but it's unfortunate that they weren't one of them.

I have researched memory foam and was advised I need 3" of high density 5.3 foam and a total of 11".


I'm not sure who advised you of this but there is much more to choosing a mattress that is suitable for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) than just the thickness and density of the layers. You may find that one mattress that uses 3" of 5 lb memory foam with a 7" polyfoam base layer may work very well for you and another that seems to have the same or very similar "quality" specs may not be suitable for you at all. Density and thickness are just two of many factors that are part of the design of a mattress that makes it suitable for a specific person to sleep on and I would tend to avoid using specs to decide which mattress is best for you (although knowing the "quality specs" of a mattress is an important part of identifying any weak links in a mattress and making meaningful comparisons).

The first place I would start your research is the tutorial post here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that you will need to make the best possible and most suitable choices ... and know how to avoid the worst ones. It also includes links to some of the better online manufacturers and retailers I'm aware of.

It should be medium firm.


I would keep in mind that generic firmness ratings like "medium firm" are highly subjective and relative to each person's perceptions and can also vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. They really have no specific meaning.

I came across two companies that had mattresses that might be perfect, Amerisleep and MemoryFoamUSA, but I cannot find anything about them. Can you please help.


I would be cautious about Amerisleep (and their sister companies Astrabeds, Simply Rest, and eSleepmasters). You can read more about them in post #2 here and the posts it links to and a forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click this) will bring up more information about them as well. They have a lot of websites that "seem" to be independent rating sites but they all lead back to the same place and are all about marketing more than anything else.

The Memoryfoamusa mattresses are made by Silverrest/Springfield and you can read more about them in post #4 here and the posts it links to. I would avoid any memory foam manufacturer that sources their foam in China and isn't CertiPur certified and they certainly wouldn't be my first choice either when you have so many better options available to you.

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05 Mar 2014 19:04
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Hi db729,

Are you familiar with a brand called SilverRest?


Outside of your testing for PPP ... a mattress is only as good as the quality of the materials inside it so if you are considering a SilverRest I would make sure you know the quality of all the materials and layers inside the mattress. You can read a little more about SilverRest in post #4 here and the links it includes.

I would never buy any mattress where you had to use a "gut feel" about its quality and I would always want to know the specifics of all the layers inside.

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05 Mar 2014 18:04
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That's extremely helpful. Thanks Phoenix!

Are you familiar with a brand called SilverRest? I went to a local distributor that sold a SilverRest pocket coil queen size for ~$500. Laying on the mattress, I really like the support that the mattress provides. I'm fairly neutral to "sleeping in" vs "sleeping on" the mattress, just prefer something firm as previously mentioned - so not particularly pickier about feeling of coil vs foam vs latex. From the sales person, I was told this is mostly a local brand within Southern California. As a result, not particularly well-known and not much information online. I believe they sell a foam version on Amazon, but I'm looking specifically at the coil version.

It's a toss up between the Ultimate Latex and this SilverRest. My gut feeling is that the Ultimate Latex is likely higher quality and more durable. That said, there's a "premium" to being able to a lay on a bed and like the support/feel that it provides. Depending on your opinion of SilverRest, I may end up choosing that given I've had the chance to test drive.
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