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31 Oct 2022 07:01
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Bedlam.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Sorry to hear of the troubles you're facing in terms of transparency with Plushbeds. Unfortunately, that's all too common with bigger brands; they won't share transparent information under the guise of keeping it safe from competitors but it's generally just that they're using lower quality components and don't want that broadcasted to an education audience.

I agree here that a transition layer could be a useful solution. How odd that they won't sell you the 3" Dunlop - is it because they don't offer it for individual re-sale?

Honestly, if you want the 3" Dunlop, I'd just find it elsewhere like with DIY Mattress . Talalay and Dunlop feel inherently different so...they're giving you strange advice.

I'd say started with the layer you want, and get the data points you need. From there, you can make additional adjustments if necessary based on actual data points after sleeping on the transition layer.

NikkiTMU
27 Oct 2022 11:28
  • bedlam
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I'm hoping you can help with a Plushbed question... I've sort of given up with them... just not that knowledgeable and seem to follow a script and rigid about doing anything outside the formulaic bit... I have a 10" queen botanical bliss med with orthopedic platform so no sagging boxspring underneath. I'm 175 and mostly a side sleeper... the 10" Med Botanical Bliss is mostly comfortable, but in the mornings I notice that I can't get a comfortable side sleeping position... hips sink slightly too far, but if top layer was any firmer, pressure relief would drop off. I'm thinking it's not the 3" comfort layer of med/soft Talalay on top, but a support issue with 6" core OR the lack of a 3" transition layer in the 10" model. Plushbeds won't sell me the 3" dunlop transition layer that comes with their 12" and instead points me to a 3" med firm Talalay layer for over $500 that they claim is the equivalent and to use this as the transition layer... can you help with this? What would you do? Because I just feel like the 10" model is underspecd and kind of lame without a transition layer. Does any of this make sense?

So this was kind of lengthy, but with alignment issue, am I better off replacing medium firm core with firm core or adding a transition layer of med firm 3" Talalay?

I'm experiencing a version of the quote below, but have a 10" Med with 3" med soft Talalay top layer so better pressure relief...

"It is a 9" medium-firmness Botanical Bliss from Plushbeds. Unfortunately, it was a very uncomfortable first hour of sleep that forced me to move to my couch. The mattress was simultaneously too firm and too soft. It was too firm because, as a side sleeper, I felt a lot of pressure on my hips and side of my rib cage. It was also too soft, because I felt my hips sinking more deeply into the mattress than any other part of my body, forcing my lower back to be out of alignment."
20 Sep 2022 11:05
  • BLK56
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The Dunlop is denser and more firm than the Talalay (many compare as Dunlop being pound cake and Talalay being sponge cake). Dunlop of the same ILD (19) should be about "one increment" firmer than the Talalay. 2" of 24-29 Talalay (over 6" 30-37 Dunlop) was too firm on the Plushbeds mattress and 2" of 19ILD Talalay too soft on this topper. I'm hoping that the slight increase in density and firmness of the Dunlop will be enough to keep hip bones and shoulders from "bottoming out". At that point I will have to keep one or the other, whether or not they solve the problem, but I'd rather give that a try than put another $700 + into a mattress swap.

I hear you on the "bed in a box" dilemma. That's been outlawed at our house due to logistics (and our age) ;)
27 Aug 2022 10:37
  • BLK56
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I finally had to replace my 13 year-old Tempurpedic. Didn't want to invest in a new one, especially with so-so reviews and more warranty claims than with the old one. Thought I wanted latex after sleeping on one at a hotel (who couldn't give me any information on their mattresses other than that they came from Germany). I tried PlushBeds with comfort layer of 2" Talalay of 24-29 ILD. It was WAY too hard and I didn't want to deal with swapping out layers. Local was easier (we're older) so I got a Posturpedic High Point hybrid firm. The one delivered was probably 10-15% softer than the one in the showroom and after a month I felt like I was in a squishy sink-hole. I took the Posturpedic Satisfied II Firm that my husband thought wasn't firm enough, but it's like sleeping on the floor. So now I want to convert it into my own hybrid with a Talalay latex topper - I just can't decide what thickness and ILD.

I am 5'2" tall, 128 lbs. solo sleeper in a queen. Primarily back sleeper but maybe 20% side. Hips and shoulders are the problem as I have fibromyalgia, but still need the lower back support. I was thinking maybe 2" of ILD 19 Talalay since the 24-29 was way too hard. I want some cushion but don't want hip bone to "bottom out" if I'm on my side. Would prefer to keep it to 2" if I can, as the bed is already quite high for me. Tempurpedic changed the type of foam in their topper and it gets horrible reviews now - and is outrageously priced. Most of the memory foam ones get so-so reviews. With allergies I'd rather not go "pillow top" topper. Would appreciate any / all feedback and suggestions.

Thank you!
03 Aug 2022 10:47
  • najc33
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You may want to check with Latex Mattress Factory on the 8 inch coils, even though they are only advertising the 6 inch on their site. I'd suggest giving them a call or email to see if they have the 8s.

If you get a softer coil, you may not need a transition layer. You could get the 3 inches and put them over the coils. That seems to be what a LOT of hybrid mattresses (Sleepez, Plushbeds, Eco Terra beds, etc.) are doing, and people seem to like it. You could always try that first, and then decide later on whether you need an extra inch of foam for transition or not.

Just a thought!

Good luck.
24 Jul 2022 07:56
  • gardenguy
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I had the foam factory 5 pound memory foam. Yeah, to me it just didn't have that slow dense feeling. I believe they send out samples if you'd want any. I've never actually had the Temper Supreme topper, just tested out the "hand feel" in Costco. There has been some speculation on another bedding forum that Temper has decreased the density and formula of their topper,( they weighed it) maybe in response to the difficulty in getting polymers during the ongoing pandemic and it's affect on the supply chain. Two or 3 people also complained the topper isn't what it used to be, and one had actually found the weight of the new topper came out to be 2.4 pound foam, which is disappointing to say the least, for the amount of money they charge. I've also had a Plushbeds 5 lb memory foam topper. That one didn't have the slow response either, but it was heavy, so you could tell it was 5 pound. Every company I've talked to, said they had moved to open cell "faster" foams. Some pillows are still made with the more closed cell variant though.

If you look up a company called Sleep on Latex on Amazon, ( or their own site) they have soft, medium and firm dunlop toppers. That's who I ordered from. My theory is if you wanted to lessen the dependence on the quality of your memory foam, the latex underneath could make up for some of the depth and characteristics of feel. I've blended memory foam with many other kinds of foam, and thought dunlop was the best. Of course this is my subjective view, but with the return policies it's no risk anyway.
15 Jul 2022 18:18
  • SadieD
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Thought I would update my saga re Plushbeds/ Flobeds.
I waited 6 weeks and Insisted to Plushbeds that I would not accept any of the "deals" they offered me, including the ridiculous "comfort" exchange.
Eg., "give it to friend/ relative and we will reimburse you 50%."
"would you like one of our other mattress types for a large discount?" (I am only interested in latex).
Once agreed upon, return was seamless ($149 fee), and credit card refund seems to be processing.
Sadly, they use Load Up for the pick-up. Driver told me they pretty much take to landfill, AAACK, since places like Goodwill have blanket objection to mattresses.
I could have easily passed it on for free somewhere in my community using Nextdoor (but then Plushbeds would only offer me 50% refund). Feels like customer manipulation, altho I realize their reasons.
As for FloBeds, everyone there is extremely supportive-- I have Free component/ layer exchanges for 100 days and plan to exercise if my sleep does not improve.
That said, I once again slept on daughter's childhood FloBed (22 years old) last night and had better sleep than 6 weeks on Plushbeds.
Thanks for all your support at TMU!
15 Jul 2022 18:05
  • SadieD
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Thought I would update my saga re Plushbeds/ Flobeds.
I waited 6 weeks and Insisted to Plushbeds that I would not accept any of the "deals" they offered me, including the ridiculous "comfort" exchange.
Eg., "give it to friend/ relative and we will reimburse you 50%."
"would you like one of our other mattress types for a large discount?" (I am only interested in latex).
Once agreed upon, return was seamless ($149 fee), and credit card refund seems to be processing.
Sadly, they use Load Up for the pick-up. Driver told me they pretty much take to landfill, AAACK, since places like Goodwill have blanket objection to mattresses.
I could have easily passed it on for free somewhere in my community using Nextdoor (but then Plushbeds would only offer me 50% refund). Feels like customer manipulation, altho I realize their reasons.
As for FloBeds, everyone there is extremely supportive-- I have Free component/ layer exchanges for 100 days and plan to exercise if my sleep does not improve.
That said, I once again slept on daughter's childhood FloBed (22 years old) last night and had better sleep than 6 weeks on Plushbeds.
Thanks for all your support at TMU!
09 Jul 2022 10:54
  • michtx
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I am your exct same size (and 56 YO). I have slept comfortably on a 100% organic latex mattress from plushbed (12 in) - 3" firm, 3"medium, 3" soft and 2" extra soft with 1" cotton/wool cover. I also have fribromyalgia and this mattress has really helped with pain and stiffness. This mattress doesn't sleep hot like a memory foam. I find memory foam miserably hot and cant sleep on it.. Due to this brutally hot summer my husband and I have felt a little hotter at nights, so I'm waiting on a new 8" coil base because I live in a hot humid climate and want to try a hybrid mattress to see if it's cooler since it's more breathable. I plan to use the new coils and try different foam firmnesses to see which we prefer (if any). I was extremely happy with the quality of the Plushbed and their customer service. I started out with the 10" medium but it caused me terrible pain and stiffness. I called and they did a comfort exchange by adding a 2" topper (I did have to pay $400 for the taller cover but the foam was free). Once I recieved the topper it made the mattress really wonderful. I'll come back and post next week when I've changed to the hybrid with coils and let you know how it worked. Plushbeds does offer a hybrid now that they didn't when I purchased my mattress.
08 Jun 2022 17:58
  • phoenix
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Hi SadieD,

Thank you for the update and congratulations on your new mattress purchase from FloBeds :cheer: one of the veteran members of TMU ...

As you know I think highly of them and I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. All of their mattresses use high-quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in any of them so they would certainly make a great quality/value choice.

I will accept my fate and hope that negotiating Return with Plushbeds is a positive experience. (I incorrectly referred to the $149 fee as Flobeds, not Plushbeds.)

I hope that everything goes smoothly with PlushBed's return. (and thanks for the correction)

We'd love to hear any new updates once you receive your new v-zone mattress and have a chance to sleep on it for a while.
Phoenix
08 Jun 2022 08:58
  • SadieD
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Thank you! We did purchase a new v-zone in 2020 for my daughter. Not sure why I was unwilling to spend the extra $$ for myself this year, but I certainly learned my lesson.
I will accept my fate and hope that negotiating Return with Plushbeds is a positive experience.
(I incorrectly referred to the $149 fee as Flobeds, not Plushbeds.)
07 Jun 2022 20:46
  • phoenix
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Hi SadieD,

I am 130-135 lb femaie 70 years old
Recently purchased Botanical Bliss Med-Firm after 24 years on Tempurpedic.
I have NOT SLEPT WELL since.

Sorry to hear you “have not slept well” on your new PlushBeds Botanical Bliss Mattress. As you probably know, your mattress is unique to you, and the comfort choice is based on your specific stats (height, weight, sleeping position(s), and any underlying health concerns) and your PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Aside from weight, you not state your height or sleeping position, as these can play a major part in any bed you may select. Even though the best way to ensure that the mattress is suitable is to try it in a local shop your next best approach is to provide the manufacturer/retailer with a brief history of our experience with the previous mattress, stats, and PPP and make sure that they have enough experience to guide you through a good match comfort choice.

Not sure why I went with Plushbeds, because my daughter's 24-year-old basic FloBed seems far more comfortable.
I'm willing to take the $$ hit for returning Plushbeds and ordering FlobothBed instead.
What think? Someone mentioned that FloBeds makes you package up and drop your Return at curb for pick-up. Their website indicates $149 Returns:
"Should you need assistance with returning your mattress, we offer a concierge mattress removal service for $149. Our trained carriers will remove the mattress from your bedroom and transport it to a local recycling facility, so there’s nothing for you to do. Any free bonus items received with your mattress are yours to keep as a thank you for trying our mattress."
Has anyone tried this process with Plushbeds?

Good to see that our forum subscriber Cathye has responded to your call for help and provided their return experiences with PlushBeds in your adjacent thread about PlushBeds returns. It looks like you should be able to return the mattress following their requirements.

FloBeds is a long-time Trusted member of the site which means that I think highly of them and that I consider them to be amongst the best in the industry. They build their reputation and bed designs by focusing on consumer needs and preferences and high-quality materials. They are excellent at guiding consumers to a mattress that has the best chance to be a good mattress for them. I'd still keep in mind that no one can tell for sure what is best for you as no one can feel what you feel and there are many interconnected variables. This said in my conversations with both David and Dewey over the years I've learned that they have a more than the typical high percentage of satisfied customers. Their design is also built to be able to fine tune the feel at home if you did not find the comfort/support sweet spot with the vZone layer

I would certainly suggest that you rely on FloBed's advice as they are much more familiar with their own mattress designs and materials than anyone else and they can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the "averages" of other customers that may be similar to you. The more accurate and detailed the information you provide them the better you will help them to help you make the best possible choices out of the options they have available. Of course the options you have available with each retailer or manufacturer (or with a particular mattress) and your ability to exchange layers or the mattress itself or use other forms of fine-tuning after your purchase or the return policy may also be an important part of your personal value equation or to offset the risk that can go with any online purchase.

FloBeds has a 100-night ‘test rest’ trial period and a $99 return fee (as long as the mattress is not soiled or damaged) using the original packaging, and request shipping labels, and have it picked up at curbside. They prefer to ‘swap out’ components of the mattress if you are not satisfied instead of having it returned, and after the trial period will continue to do so, for up to 5 years for a minimal charge as part of their ‘goldilocks guarantee’. Since you still find your daughter's “24 year old FloBeds mattress more comfortable than the new PlushBeds mattress”.

Please let us know about your experience both with the return and with finding a suitable mattress replacement..

Phoenix
06 Jun 2022 13:58
  • SadieD
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Great! I'm getting close to 30 days.
BBBureau reports made them sound especially uncooperative.
Wish I had looked there (& in this forum) before purchasing.
06 Jun 2022 11:45
  • cathye
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Yes they made me wait 30 days but as long as you stick to your guns on returning it, they won’t block you from doing it. The pickup is through a third-party company.
06 Jun 2022 11:42
  • SadieD
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Thank you! You've been very helpful.
Last question, hopefully: Did they "fight" you on arranging return?
If so, what strategy did you use for success with the return?
I've had the mattress just about 3 weeks -- I'm ready to return Now.
Did they make you wait 30 days before they would discuss?
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