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21 May 2020 15:13
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Hey Seneca55,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) ! Nice to have you here and thanks for your question.

I have found several pages on North Carolina but as some are years old, and none of for Greenville specifically, I wanted to see if there were any updates in terms of manufacturers no longer in business or new manufacturers not listed near me.

Here are the pages I found:

Thank you.


You have done great work on researching the NC area, Seneca55 :) ! I can tell you are doing your part for researching a new purchase and saw the other post you created today (I'll be looking at that one a little later). From these 9 posts, some dating back to 2011, and multiple manufacturer referral links listed, you probably gathered that researching every link is next to impossible, as it is on our end, hence why they remain available for everyone's use here on the TMU forum. With so many manufacturers and retailers available and so many changes within the retail landscape, it is impossible to maintain a current manufacturer database for the entire service area (we are world-wide in audience). Instead, we created our Trusted Member program of expert manufacturers/ retailers to help with consumer questions and education, as well as offer advice regarding component recommendations. These industry professionals have the expertise to help consumers make educated choices based on their years of experience and deep product knowledge. We feel they are among the best mattress and component producers in terms of quality, value and service. Looking forward to chatting with you more later on your other post :) .

Thanks,
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21 May 2020 13:03
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Hello,

I have found several pages on North Carolina but as some are years old, and none of for Greenville specifically, I wanted to see if there were any updates in terms of manufacturers no longer in business or new manufacturers not listed near me.

Here are the pages I found:

answer to lizashaw

answer to mehta

answer to kbmw94

answer to rtscout

answer to zak

answer to johnny bravo

answer to karen

answer to Hillandale 1911

answer to kizzy


Thank you.
29 Jul 2017 10:52
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Hi IanS,

Phoenix, I apologize if I misunderstood your stance regarding buckling column gel. I remember reading somewhere on the forum that you tried it and concluded it wasn't for you (Please correct me if I am mistaken), but probably came to wrong the conclusion that "you're not a fan". I didn't mean to misrepresent your opinion in any way.


No worries. You may have read where I had sampled Orthogel and stated that it wasn’t my favorite material, but that was my personal comfort preference and is one of the reasons that this site isn’t a review site, and instead focuses upon analyzing and identifying quality componentry and then helping people make up their own minds and take them through the steps to choosing a mattress that works best for their needs using these high quality components. There are certainly many materials that I personally don’t prefer for personal use, but if they are a good quality they may appropriate for quite a few other individuals. And that’s more important than my own personal comfort preference. :)

Also, another forum member here said somewhere that Intellibed can substitute the soy foam with Talalay Latex in their topper, but I might have to confirm that with them.


When I spoke with Intellibed, this was polyfoam around the perimeter and the bottom of the gel, so I am unfamiliar with the substituting of latex for this.

In post #2 here I describe in more detail the use plant based polyols in polyfoam (what you’re referring to as soy foam). In a nutshell, part of the polyol portion used to create polyurethane foam is replaced with a plant-based polyol. There’s a brief explanation of this from one of the polyol manufacturers here . There are still quite a few chemicals involved in the production of polyfoam, and most polyfoam pourers use some plant-based polyols these days.

I’ll look forward to any comments about either topper you decide to acquire.

Phoenix
11 Jul 2017 10:57
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Hi MiscellaneousBeef,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Some of the better sources of which I am aware for latex componentry are listed in the component thread here . Many of these suppliers can create custom sizes for you. Most of the latex you’re likely to encounter will have pinhole construction, not only to change the comfort of the foam, but also as a by product of making the curing process consistent. The extra breathability this affords is a nice extra bonus. In North America the longest “standard size” mattress is the California King at 84”, but the widest “standard size” mattress is the traditional king at 76”. But layers can be seamed to create virtually any size you desire. Latex cores tend to top off at 6” in thickness, so you’d need at least two layers to achieve your 8”-9” overall thickness.

As for the buckling column gel, here are three manufacturers that have different versions of buckling column gel. One is Intelligel and one is NexGel (now owned by Spring Air / Sommex since Natura went bankrupt) and Leggett & Platt now has a version called Somnigel which is being used by King Koil and several other manufacturers in their mattresses.

A forum search on " orthogel " which is used in the Nexgel mattress or on " intelligel " used in the Intellibed, or on " somnigel " which is a newer version that is used by several manufacturers (you can just click the links) will bring up more forum comments about them.

I’m not aware of sources to the public for custom sized buckling column gel layers, so this may require you to do some phoning directly to Intellibed or Leggett and Platt with your request to see if they are able to offer you any advice/assistance.

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21 Nov 2015 10:51
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Hi purplepain,

We have tried memory foam, talalay latex, innerspring with toppers...and I just can't seem to find anything that reduces pressure point pain and is still comfortable. Memory foam reduced the pain the most, but my wife and I are just not fans of the way they feel (left over crater when repositioning and sleeps hot are the two biggies).


I would keep in mind that all foam materials and innersprings come in a range of firmness levels and also that every layer and component of a mattress will affect the feel and firmness of all the other layers and a mattress "as a whole" so it's very possible that the mattresses that you tested or slept on just weren't a good "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) and that other mattresses that use the same materials may work better for you.

There are also many different versions of memory foam that are more or less temperature sensitive, have a faster or slower response, or are more or less temperature regulating than others. The type and thickness of memory foam and the other layers and components in the mattress (above and below the memory foam) can also have a significant effect on the overall firmness of the mattress.

It's certainly possible that you may just need thicker and/or softer and/or more point elastic comfort and transition layers than the mattresses you have tried so far.

I would also keep in mind that with more complex medical issues there may be no perfect mattress that solves all your sleeping issues and it may also be worthwhile experimenting with some creative solutions such as using pillows in various ways to help with the issues you are experiencing (see post #5 here and post #2 here for some examples).

There is also more detailed information about the most common symptoms that people may experience when they sleep on a mattress and the most likely (although not the only) reasons for them in post #2 here that may also be helpful.

Various zoning systems can also be very useful and worth considering for people who have more challenging circumstances or sensitivities, body types that are more difficult to "match" to a mattress, more complex medical issues, or who have a history of having more difficulty in finding a mattress that works well for them. There is more about zoning in this article and in post #11 here .

Anyway, I am extremely interested in the column buckling gel but have exhausted everything at my disposal to find anyplace within an hour or two from me that sales this. This brings me to my actual question for you. Do you know of any mattress companies that sell a mattress that contains somnigel that would be an hour or two from Topeka, KS? Kansas City is about 1 hour away for your reference. Also, if you don't know of any companies, do you have any suggestions for my continued search? Comfort King's Dream looks wonderful but Sioux Falls SD is 5 1/2 hours away and they really don't have a favorable return policy (coupled with the fact that it is out of our price range). Should I call Leggett and Platt and see if they can tell me who is using their somnigel?


Somnigel is just one of several versions of buckling column gel that are available in the market with similar properties. The others are Intelligel and Orthogel/Nexgel. They are all very durable materials. There is more information about them in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.
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The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in or around the Kansas City and Topeka areas are listed in post #2 here .

I don't keep a record of the individual mattresses or their specs that the retailers and manufacturers in the hundreds of forum lists throughout the forum carry on their floor or have available online (it would be a bigger job than anyone could keep up with in a constantly changing market) but checking their websites and making some preliminary phone calls to the retailers/manufacturers that are on the lists is always a good idea before you decide on which retailers or manufacturers you wish to deal with anyway. This will tell you which of them carry mattresses that would meet your specific criteria, are transparent about the materials in their mattresses, and that carry the type of mattresses that you are interested in that are also in the budget range you are comfortable with. Once you have checked their websites and/or talked with the ones that interest you then you will be in a much better position to decide on the ones that you are most interested in considering or visiting based on the results of your preliminary research and conversations.

As you mentioned it may also be worthwhile calling Leggett & Platt to see if they can provide you with a list of manufacturers that use their Somnigel and then you could contact those manufacturers to see if they have any retailers in your area that sell their Somnigel mattresses. It may also be worth calling Nexgel to see if they have any retailers in your area.
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Intellibed also has a buckling buckling column gel topper here which may be worth considering (but make sure you are comfortable with their return policy just in case it doesn't work out as well as you hoped for).
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04 Oct 2015 16:32
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Hi Quickstrike,

All the layers and components of a mattress affect the feel and performance of all the other layers above and below it and the mattress "as a whole" so the "ideal" thickness of any somnigel layer(s) would depend on all the other materials and components in the mattress and the design goals of the mattress. It doesn't make much sense to arbitrarily decide how thick any individual material or component "needs" to be without taking into account all the other materials and components and the complete design of the mattress.

The Somnigel (which is also supplied by Leggett & Platt) is a type of buckling column gel that comes in layers that are either 2.25" or 1.125" thick.
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Somnigel is just one of several versions of buckling column gel that are available in the market with similar properties. The others are Intelligel and Orthogel/Nexgel. They are all very durable materials. There is more information about them in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.
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In very general terms they all use some type of thin foam layer on top of the buckling column gel to even out the feel of the material and they can be used as a comfort layer on top of any other combination of materials and components that are used as transition or support layers (such as polyfoam, latex, or innersprings).

The choice between different types of materials and components in a mattress or different types of mattresses is always a preference choice (assuming that the materials are durable enough for someone's body type) and some people may like a particular mattress that uses Somnigel while others may not.

In its simplest form ... choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your Personal preferences) ... or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you're not confident that it would be a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in the mattress that would compromise the durability of the mattress (see this article and the durability guidelines it links to).

3. Comparing your other finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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10 Jul 2015 10:18
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Hi burntsienna,

I have chronic back pain and need high quality support and pressure relief for all areas of my spine, hips and shoulders. The buckling gel material sounds very promising because of its reverse pressure properties. In checking out the intellibed, it looks like the gel component is just the top layer of the bed (under which is a foam layer and then a spring coil layer).


Intellibed's intelligel is just one of several versions of buckling column gel that are available in the market with similar properties. The others are SomniGel and Orthogel/Nexgel . They are all very durable materials. There is more information about them in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.

In very general terms they all use some type of thin foam layer on top of the buckling column gel to even out the feel of the material and they can be used as a comfort layer on top of any other combination of materials and components that are used as transition or support layers (such as polyfoam, latex, or innersprings). In the case of the Intellibed mattresses they all use a linked innerspring for support.

I am wondering if, in theory, you could get the same buckling gel benefits from just using the topper over a supportive latex foam mattress.


I would keep in mind that there isn't a single material or component that will help with back pain because all the layers and components of a mattress will affect all the other layers and components above and below it and the mattress as a whole so one mattress with a buckling column gel component may work perfectly for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) while another mattress that uses the same buckling column gel component in a different design with a different combination of materials and components may be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on.

When you have a history of back issues then the most important factor in choosing a mattress that keeps your spine and joints in good alignment and allows your muscles to completely relax when you are sleeping (so the mattress is doing the work of keeping you in alignment over the course of the night instead of your muscles) but the choice of materials or components is more of a preference issue than a "better/worse" issue. There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to use a formula or specs (either yours or a mattress) to predict with certainty whether any mattress or mattress/topper combination will work well for you and the only way to know whether any mattress or mattress/topper combination will be a good "match" for you is based on your own actual experience.

There is more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support/alignment" and "pressure relief" and "feel".

All of this is just a way to say that a buckling column gel topper may be better, the same, or worse on a particular mattress as the same component inside a mattress itself or than a mattress that uses different materials and components completely and the only way to know for certain will be based on your actual sleeping experience.

I live in Norfolk, VA and see that Cozy Pure is located here and has a nice looking latex mattress. I like that this is a mattress I can try out locally, but I also think the buckling gel might be a really good thing for my back. So would a gel topper give me that benefit or is it not thick enough?


As you probably know Cozy Pure is one of the members of the site which means I think highly of them and I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency. Their Organic Comfort Zone mattress are also zoned and this can also be helpful with more challenging body types or difficult circumstances. If they are local to you they would certainly be well worth a visit. Again though ... the only way to know for certain whether any combination of materials or components in a mattress or sleeping system will work well for you "as a whole" will be based on your own personal testing or sleeping experience. Whether any specific component is either thick enough or soft/firm enough as a topper will depend on the specifics of your body type, sleeping style, preferences, and on the specifics of the mattress underneath it.

If your mattress is still in good condition and there are no soft spots or visible impressions and all you need is some additional pressure relief and softness then a topper can certainly be a good solution and there is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to that can help you use your sleeping experience as a reference point and guideline to help you choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a topper that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success. It also includes a link to a list of some of the better online sources for toppers I'm aware of as well.

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26 May 2015 17:22
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Hi slewis7,

It is time to buy a new queen size mattress and I always have had an interest in getting a memory foam mattress. I am familiar with the Tempur Pedic mattresses and I went to my local Mattress Firm to try them. I really liked the feel of the Tempur Cloud Supreme Breeze. One reason why I gravitated to that one is the claim that it's special phase changing layer is superior to gel in alleviating temperature issues for people who sleep hot. That claim is hard to evaluate in the store and there seems to be very little information about it in this forum or elsewhere online.


There is more information about gel or phase change materials in post #2 here and the posts it links to but I would keep in mind that while they may have a cooler "hand feel" and they can have an initial effect on temperature when you are first going to sleep ... once temperatures equalize then the benefits of gel or phase change materials don't generally last over the course of the night.

Based on what I read here, before I buy the Tempur mattress, I am planning on visiting Texas Mattress Maker, which is one of the site's recommended vendors that is in my area (Houston). They have a Milan Gel Memory foam mattress which looks to be the closet match to the Tempur mattress I am considering. Of course, it is significantly less expensive. Can anyone comment on this mattress and how it compares to the Tempur. Also, is the Tempur's "Breeze" layer really superior to the gel layer in the Milan for temperature control?


I don't know the specifics of the Milan Gel Memory foam mattress so I can't make any meaningful comments about it but if you can find out the information in this article and post it on the forum I'd certainly be happy to make some comments about the materials inside it and the mattress as a whole.

The online description does mention that it uses SomniGel which is a type of buckling column gel similar to Nexgel/Orthogel or Intelligel. This is a very durable material and there is more information about it in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well.

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses as well.

While Tempurpedic mattresses for the most part use good quality and durable materials so they don't generally have unusual quality or durability issues ... as you probably know from your reading here, for most people they certainly wouldn't be the best "value" range compared to many other mattresses that are available either locally or online that are made by smaller manufacturers that use the same or similar quality materials that are would be just as suitable and just as durable and are in lower budget ranges.

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06 Dec 2014 03:31
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Hi mellowjammer,

I purchased a Sleep Science 9" Natural Talalay Latex Mattress. 3" of 20-24 ILD (was advertised as19 ILD) over a 6" 32 ILD core. It felt firm but ok everywhere except my shoulders which would still make my arms go numb (side sleeper). I'm 5'10" and 225lbs athletic build. I can return the mattress without issue (Costco) but where do I go from here?


There are many other latex mattress options available to you if you decide to return it. The mattress shopping tutorial includes a link to the members of this site that sell mattresses online and many of them sell latex mattresses that use different types and blends of latex with a wide range of designs, features, firmness options, return and exchange policies, and price ranges that would make good choices.

If you let me know your city or zip code ... I'd also be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

I'm not sure how long you've had the Sleep Science latex but there are some suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful.

If you have already been sleeping on it for a few weeks and it's still too firm and none of the other suggestions are helpful (and a thicker pillow may be worth trying), then you would also have the option of adding a topper to provide the additional comfort and pressure relief that you need instead of returning it and starting all over again.

If you do decide to add a topper ... then post #2 here and the topper guidelines that it links to has more information about choosing the type, thickness, and firmness that would have the best chance of success.

I was contemplating getting an Arizona Premium Mattress cover and (2) 3" layers of Latex for the bottom and middle layers, and then buying an edizone Intelli-gel buckling gel layer if possible to use as my top comfort layer within the same mattress cover. I don't know if I would have to buy Intelli-bed's topper to get it and how thick the gel piece is. Has anybody tried this?


I don't know of anyone that has tried this combination but if you are considering either a topper or a top layer to use in a component or DIY mattress then the only way to know whether it would work well for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) would be based on your own personal experience so if you aren't familiar with how the combination will feel for you (which may be different from how it would feel for someone else) or you aren't confident that it would be a good match for you in terms of PPP then the exchange or return policy would become a much more important part of the "value" of your purchase in case your sleeping experience indicates that it doesn't work out as well as you hoped for.

As far as I know you can't buy the intelligel material separately but the Intelligel topper has a 3" layer of intelligel and a cover and if you purchase the mattress protector as well then you would qualify for their 60 day trial period.

I tried to find the Serta mattress you had previously provided a link to which supposedly had these materials in it already, but the link no longer gets you to that product. You didn't give the name of it. Is it still available?


No ... it's no longer available but there are other mattresses that use different versions of buckling column gel (Somnigel and Orthogel) that may be available in your area (see post #2 here ).

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13 Oct 2014 12:32
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Hi Lady G,

Is it true that IntelliBed is the only manufacturer of 100% buckling column gel and that all other manufacturers by law are required to use some % foam in their gel?


All of the different types of buckling column gel are made by Edizone and licenced for use by different manufacturers so it would be more accurate to say it was required "by license" than "by law". Edizone doesn't release the proprietary information about the specific differences between them but the Orthogel for example does use a foamed material inside it (see post #7 here ).

They are all very durable materials with the same basic function but they will have a different buckling threshold and have a slightly different feel between them depending on the version and design and on the other layers that are either above or below them. Forum search on Edizone or on Intelligel and Orthogel and Somnigel (you can just click the links) will bring up more information and some feedback about them as well.

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27 Sep 2014 15:14
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Hi Urbanrancher100,

This is maddening..I can't find the combination I`d like anywhere..the closest I came was the NexGel site and the Sweet Mornings LatexGel mattress - but that's simply pads of nexgel not the buckling columns'


I'm not sure what you mean here but the Sweet Mornings LatexGel mattress includes a single 2" layer of Orthogel which is buckling column gel along with the latex and the other layers and components that they list for the mattress.

When I checked the NexGel site itself & clicked contact us, there wasn't any information there...maybe I missed it but I saw no place for contacting them other than when you register a new purchase


I see what you mean. You may need to contact the parent company Revsleep here to find out if there are any dealers in your area.

Went down the list of the manufacturers here (nearly to end) and couldn't find the combo...went on Brooklyn Bedding's site to see if i could get the latex and insert a gel layer myself....it's possible but not a layer of the buckling columns...


The only place I know that you can buy a buckling column gel topper is on the Intellibed site here . Orthogel toppers used to be available on the Olejo site here but they are out of stock.

Called Texas mattresses...searched all over for somnigel..what am I doing wrong?? I have seen mattresses with 1" of talalay but that's really not enough...


If you are only considering a mattress that uses buckling column gel then you have already narrowed down the options that you have available to only a small number of mattresses and there may not be any local options that you can test so you may be limited to online choices (in which case I would make sure there is a good return policy in case the mattress you purchase isn't a good match for you in terms of PPP). If you also have other very specific criteria that are also important to you in addition to a mattress that contains buckling column gel then your criteria may be so narrow that a mattress that fits all your criteria may not even exist. Is there a reason that you are only looking for mattresses that contain some version of buckling column gel? Have you tested mattresses that use it and confirmed that you prefer it over other types of mattresses?

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24 Sep 2014 12:26
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Hi Urbanrancher100,

There are three versions of buckling column gel that are generally available in the market which are Intelligel, Orthogel, or Somnigel (see post #2 here ). Intelligel is only used in the Intellibed and Orthogel is used in Natura/Nexgel mattresses and Somnigel is used by several manufacturers including King Koil.

Outside of Intelligel ... you could contact the Nexgel site to ask if there are any retailers in your area that carry them and you could also try contacting Leggett & Platt here and ask which manufacturers are using the Somnigel and then contact the manufacturers to see if any of them have any stores in your area that carry them.

A quick google search on " Somnigel mattress " turned up several manufacturers that are using it outside of King Koil (see here and here ) but a deeper search may turn up more because neither one is in California.

Some of the Natura/Nexgel mattresses are also on Amazon here .

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27 Aug 2014 13:10
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Hi cmv,

I see a lot of labor day sales on mattresses which sparked my interest in potentially purchasing a new mattress.


You can read a little more about "fake sales" in post #5 here .

I was drawn to the new sealy hybrid (Ability or Encourage) because I like the idea of a soft pillow like top with the support and resistance of a traditional coil mattress under it. The useless salesman also showed me the king Koil Perfect Contour Somnigel bed. With that i researched somnigel which seemed to be a pretty awesome product made by leggett and platt who seem to be the big guns in regards to mattress technology. I like the idea of a super soft gel top with more air surface than gel surface to disperse heat and still be a very comfortable buffer to coils. However, it seems to be difficult to find any beds with somnigel besides the one built for sleepys, and i aslo didnt find any forum about it here when i searched.


The first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choices ... and perhaps most importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

1. Thoughts on somnigel??


Somnigel is a type of buckling column gel similar to nexgel or intelligel. There is more information about this type of material in this article and in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on " buckling column gel " (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well. It would be similar to Orthogel/Nexgel or Intelligel.

2. What beds/manufacturers use it and where can i find them (New Jersey/Internet)


I don't have a record of the mattresses that retailers or manufacturers have on their floor in all the many areas of the country (this wouldn't be possible for one person to keep up with in a constantly changing market) but you could check the King Koil retail store finder here and then call to confirm with each retailer to make sure that they carry these specific mattresses. You could also contact Nexgel here or Intellibed here (although they won't likely have any retailers close to you). Other manufacturers may also make some mattresses that use buckling column gel as well (see here and here for examples).

3. Is it worth it or is the memory foam gel/coil hybrid a better option.


Post #13 here has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase relative to each person. If a mattress is the best match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences), uses good quality materials relative to its budget range and has no weak links in the design, and compares well with all your other finalists based on the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you ... then it would be "worth the money" yes. If there were other mattresses that were better value for you based on the same criteria ... then it wouldn't.

4. Am i wasting my time with a hybrid and should i just get a traditional mattress with a euro top.


The materials or types of mattresses that each person tends to prefer is a personal preference and there is no right or wrong here. Having said that ... if you are dealing with a retailer or manufacturer that won't be able to provide you with all the information you will need about a mattress you are considering (see this article ) so you can identify any weak links in the mattress and make more meaningful comparisons with other mattresses, then you would be wasting your time visiting them IMO.

5. Taking into account my thought process above and the materials im looking at do you have any solid recommendations that are around if not less than $1000.


There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to make meaningful suggestions about a specific mattress or even type of mattress that may be best for you (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ) but assuming you are in the Northern NJ area then the better options and possibilities I'm aware of (subject to following all the steps in the tutorial post of course) are listed in post #7 here .

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25 Jul 2014 14:44
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Hi Eagleback,

1) This site has been great, thanks for all of the positive vibes and great information.


Welcome ... and I'm glad the site could help you.

Just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start would be the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choices ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones (which would include many of the local choices you mentioned).

2) We live in a city close to Conover, NC, so I was excited when I saw on your list of recommended manufacturers that they were so close. Is that an error? I believe they are in Utah based on their website, and no map app or other links via my smart phone today could find a Conover address for them today.


Rocky Mountain Mattress is based in Utah but the factory that makes their mattresses is in Conover. The Lake Mattress retail location in Mooresville used to have some of their mattresses on the floor where you could test some of the Rocky Mountain Mattresses but the retail location in Mooresville has been closed so local customers can now go to the factory in Conover. They don't have any complete mattresses in a showroom there but they will put layers together that can give you a good sense of what any of the Rocky Mountain mattresses would feel like. I've updated the information in the Hickory, NC list here and in the Charlotte, NC list here and in the High Point, NC list here and in the Hendersonville, NC list here to reflect the changes.

- THe OMF King models for Latex and MemFoam are right at $2000.00 for a set. I laid on them and felt good. Is that a good value (subjective, I know, but you seem to rate their foam very well)?


I think highly of the quality and value of the OMF mattresses yes and they are transparent about the materials they use in their mattress but only you can decide on the "value" of a specific mattress purchase and how it compares to your other "finalists". There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress in post #13 here that can help you make meaningful "value" comparisons with other mattresses.

- Is there a new discovery of a store for something within an hour drive that you feel would be beneficial to check out?


If you are close to Conover then the better local options and possibilities I'm aware of would be in the Hickory list in post #2 here .

- I am a side-sleeper, my wife is a stomach sleeper. I would not care if we slept in a ring of fire so long as our bodies were in better shape as a result of the mattress :P . If that helps in your advice to us I would appreciate it.


There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to make mattress suggestions based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" so I never recommend specific mattresses so any advice I can provide is always limited to "how" to choose rather than "what" to choose (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

Phoenix
10 Mar 2014 12:05
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Hi powerdog,

If you do get it re-upholstered or even if you add a seat cushion I would consider the use of HR polyfoam (2.5 lbs density or higher and a compression modulus of 2.4 or higher) which can have a softer surface feel but gets firmer more quickly as you sink into it so it doesn't bottom out.

There is some good information here about seat cushioning.

I would also consider a buckling column gel seat cushion which are very durable and have very good pressure relief as well. Some examples include orthogel and wondergel .

Phoenix
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