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19 Apr 2022 10:49
I've been on a bit of a journey in my quest to find a new mattress, and below I'll outline what I've tried and my results:

I started with Luma Hybrid Slumber System, with Medium (28 ILD) Talalay. My hips sank in too far (not enough support) so I changed my side to the Medium-Firm 32 ILD Talalay. My hips still sunk in too far causing discomfort on my back. I also took off the 3" comfort layer that came with my luma and instead put a 3" Medium Dunlop D75 topper in it's place. While this helped as it was more firm over the Talalay, I still had back discomfort. I returned the Luma as it wasn't addressing my back discomfort (but definitely was better than the 7 yr old Tempur I started with)

I next tried a Sleep Number 360 iLE. With the firmness cranked up to 100 it definitely made a difference, but the comfort layer was too thick and soft and my hips still sunk in too far. So while it was better than the Luma, it still wasn't giving me the support I need. We decided to try this initially because I require a firm bed with more support, my wife needs a softer mattress and this allowed us to do both. We'll be returning this shortly as it's within our 100 night trial.

Last week I got the Novaform 14" Serafina Pearl Gel mattress in Firm. After a few nights it's definitely an improvement over both the Luma and the Sleep Number, it's more firm and I'm getting more support. However I suspect the top layer of memory foam is still not dense/firm enough and it appears my hips sink in too far still. The past couple of nights I put a towel folded over a couple times under my hips and it has made a difference. I no longer have lower back pain (which went away with the Sleep Number), but my upper back muscles still feel tense and don't fully de-activate. So while it's a drastic improvement from the other options, I suspect the top layer is still too soft and not providing me with enough support under my hips. It also may be too firm under my shoulders when I sleep on my side. Also, regardless of whether it worked for me or not (which has been the primary battle thus far), it's too firm for my wife and we'll need to return it. For reference these are the layers in this mattress (Cool quilted cover, 2-inch Cooling Gel Pearl Memory Foam, 3-inch LURAcor Foam, 9-inch Premium Base Foam)

After all of this I'm leaning towards getting a mattress with zoned foam to provide better support for my hips while relieving pressure from my shoulders when I sleep on my side. And more than likely we'll need to buy 2 completely different Twin XL mattresses to form a king, since I require something more firm/more support while my wife needs something softer. While the Luma had zoned coils, it didn't address my issue and I feel the issue was with the top comfort layers not providing the needed support. I like the feel of a firm memory foam in that it will allow you to sink in on only minimally, but still firm enough to push back on your hips and keep them from sinking in too far.

After doing additional research online the only ones I've really seen that offer zoned foam (not coils) are the Casper (which as good reviews on Consumer Reports). What would your thoughts be on the Casper Original or the Wave Hybrid? My main concern is getting anything where the comfort layers are too thick and thus don't provide the necessary resistance/support for my hips which allows them to sink in too far and causes my spine to get out of alignment. Any other suggestions? I've also got Nectar, Helix, Nest, Novosbed, Loom&Leaf and Winkbeds on my list to evaluate, but don't think any of these offer zoned foam.
22 Feb 2022 10:45
It’s time to buy a new memory foam mattress and I’m trying to determine what would be a good choice.
My wife and I are around a 30 to 31 BMI and mainly sleep on our sides but also sleep on our stomachs. We both sleep near the edge of the bed.
We currently own two memory foam mattresses.
The first mattress we bought is a Costco Novaform Pure Comfort Memory Foam 12” Mattress purchased in 2010 for $550. We never really liked this mattress – it’s a little too firm. We slept on this mattress for six years before getting a BedInABox Natural Silk Elegance Comfort Adjust GEL Mattress in 2016 for $2100. We really like sleeping on this mattress; however it’s been discontinued.

The specifications for the two mattresses are listed below:
Costco Novaform Pure Comfort Memory Foam 12” Mattress:
- 2.5" of Nutratemp memory foam as the top layer 4lb density. The ILD rating will be 12-13
- 9.5" of premium base foam 2lb density and will have an ILD rating of 40 .

BedInABox Natural Silk Elegance Comfort Adjust GEL:
3" Reversible Adjustable Foam Topper. 1.5" CoolRest® Gel Memory Foam on one side 3 lbs/ft3 Density and 10 ILD and 1.5" High Resilience Foam. The other side is a 32 ILD 3" CoolRest® Gel Memory Foam - 3 lbs/ft3 Density

The foam support core is a 8" High Resiliency (polyurethane)Foam Support Core - 2.4 lb Density and 32 IFD – this is a reversible foam that provides different firmness. One side is called a “memory foam layer” and the other side is called a “support foam layer”.

Also there is a 1.5" Quilting foam top layer made of Natural Silk Cover Pillow soft polyester microfiber.

The mattress can be adjusted to four firmness levels: Soft, Med-Soft, Med-Firm, & Firmest.
This can be accomplished by flipping the foam topper and/or foam support core to get the four combinations. We’ve kept the mattress set to a "Med-Soft".

We would like to stick with another memory foam mattress. Don’t think we would want a hybrid or innerspring memory mattress.
We don’t mind if you provide several recommendations to choose from that may be similar to the BedinABox mattress.

I'll make sure to keep you informed on the decision I finally made and how the new bed met our needs.
22 Feb 2022 06:28
It’s time to buy a new memory foam mattress and I’m trying to determine what would be a good choice.
My wife and I are around a 30 to 31 BMI and mainly sleep on our sides but also sleep on our stomachs. We both sleep near the edge of the bed.
We currently own two memory foam mattresses.
The first mattress we bought is a Costco Novaform Pure Comfort Memory Foam 12” Mattress purchased in 2010 for $550. We never really liked this mattress – it’s a little too firm. We slept on this mattress for six years before getting a BedInABox Natural Silk Elegance Comfort Adjust GEL Mattress in 2016 for $2100. We really like sleeping on this mattress; however it’s been discontinued.

The specifications for the two mattresses are listed below:
Costco Novaform Pure Comfort Memory Foam 12” Mattress:
- 2.5" of Nutratemp memory foam as the top layer 4lb density. The ILD rating will be 12-13
- 9.5" of premium base foam 2lb density and will have an ILD rating of 40 .

BedInABox Natural Silk Elegance Comfort Adjust GEL:
3" Reversible Adjustable Foam Topper. 1.5" CoolRest® Gel Memory Foam on one side 3 lbs/ft3 Density and 10 ILD and 1.5" High Resilience Foam. The other side is a 32 ILD 3" CoolRest® Gel Memory Foam - 3 lbs/ft3 Density

The foam support core is a 8" High Resiliency (polyurethane)Foam Support Core - 2.4 lb Density and 32 IFD – this is a reversible foam that provides different firmness. One side is called a “memory foam layer” and the other side is called a “support foam layer”.

Also there is a 1.5" Quilting foam top layer made of Natural Silk Cover Pillow soft polyester microfiber.

The mattress can be adjusted to four firmness levels: Soft, Med-Soft, Med-Firm, & Firmest.
This can be accomplished by flipping the foam topper and/or foam support core to get the four combinations. We’ve kept the mattress set to a "Med-Soft".

We would like to stick with another memory foam mattress. Don’t think we would want a hybrid or innerspring memory mattress.
We don’t mind if you provide several recommendations to choose from that may be similar to the BedinABox mattress.

I'll make sure to keep you informed on the decision I finally made and how the new bed met our needs.
03 Sep 2021 12:08
Me: 5'8" 215 lb, fall asleep on my side and wake on my back
Wife: 5'9" 185 lb when not pregnant, split side and stomach

Currently sleeping on a seven year old wire innerspring edge support that is tied together, it has latex as a comfort layer.

After a king size bed, maybe an adjustable base to go with it?

Considering a few options: Wife really likes the Purple 3, REALLY likes it. I am worried about the longevity and quality of materials for such an expensive mattress.

I really like latex feel, and I think it is the best bang for the buck. SleepEZ keeps coming round my mind, something like a FD, MD, MT setup on both sides. I would DIY, but if she doesn't like the latex feel I don't want to be out of options with no trial, unless any suppliers do the same with their 3" slabs?

Last option is one of the Costco Novaform options.

What materials are best for this type of combo? Does latex perform best with a stretchy protector and sheets in a similar manner to Purple?

Thanks!
14 Jul 2021 14:33
First of all, this site is amazing and I have learned so much. It has really narrowed my direction to what type of mattress I want. After going through all the articles and forum comments, I settled on the Nest Natural Hybrid Latex in the medium firmness. I laid on the mattress in the store for at least 20 minutes on three occasions and I loved it. However over the past 30 nights, I have experienced point shoulder pain which wakes me up at night. I have contacted Nest and they are going to send me a soft comfort layer to replace the medium one. I am worried I will have to eventually return the mattress so I am coming to the forum here to see if there is any advice. Here are some details of my situation:
I am a side sleeper, 72 inches tall at 215 lbs. My previous mattress was a Costco Novaform memory foam firm mattress. I had that mattress for 3 years and it was my first memory foam mattress. I had hip and shoulder pain with that mattress and I thought it was too stiff and it was a little hot for me. I have a history of back pain, but I felt that mattress made my back feel better and I can't recall ever waking up with a sore back. Because of the hip and shoulder pain, but no back pain, I thought the support of that mattress was good, but I needed a different comfort solution. With the new Nest, I really like the latex feel, it sleeps cool, and I have not experienced any back pain, but the shoulder pain is a deal breaker. At my weight, I wouldn't think a softer comfort layer would work, but who knows. When narrowing down by decision of which mattress to buy, it was between the Nest and the BB Bloom Hybrid. I chose Nest because I was able to lay on the mattress at the store. If I had to get a different mattress, I assume the BB mattress would have similar feel since their construction is similar. So I am looking for some advice to possible new mattress options based on the details I laid out.

One more thing is mattress support. I am using a box spring which seems pretty strong as I can stand on it without falling through it. I was wondering if that could be causing me some problems. I wouldn't think so since my back is fine, but I am throwing this out there just in case. Thanks for any advice you may be able to provide.
31 May 2021 05:53
update,

back has stopped my test..........

my back got so bad that I have been receiving therapy so I have not done the test, nor slept in the bed for the past 2 weeks. the mattress I moved onto from the foam one turned out the box spring had a sag, so that bed did me no favors, I hope to conduct this test later this week....
15 May 2021 10:48
Hey Jacobowitz,

Welcome to TMU's forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

After finally moving in together (yay) my wonderful girlfriend and I have fallen down the eternal rabbit hole of mattress shopping (anti-yay). We made do with my old, cheap, full-size bed for a couple weeks before taking a trip to Costco to pick up a king-sized Novaform Comfort Grande Plus that was on sale and recommended by my brother. After realizing that this bed was way (way) too firm for us, we decided to educate ourselves, paid a visit to this lovely site, and now have to fight back the urge to ruin every conversation with a incoherent rant about the mattress industry that sounds more akin to something from the Alex Jones podcast than any civilized interaction between adults. To fight back against the dark influence of Big Bed, we’ve decided to DIY our own mattress in an effort to save a bit of money and get exactly what we want. That’s where you amazing folks come in, as I’d like to ask your opinions on a few configurations we’ve put together.


Congrats on your new DIY mattress adventure and on your new living arrangements! Your kind words on the site are much appreciated, sir; good to know that you've joined the ranks of DIYers that file through the TMU gates seeking guidance. You are among friends :) .

A bit about us:

Me:
• Man
• 175lbs
• 6’3”
• Side sleeper, though I like to sit up in bed on my laptop occasionally.
• General build: Shoulders are a touch broader than what might be standard for my height and weight, but save for that pretty thin and bony.
Her:
• Woman
• 125lbs
• 5’8”
• Side sleeper, very rarely sleeps on her back
• General build: Long and thin. She has issues with pressure points in the hips and shoulders. Save for her height, she is quite a petite woman.


Thanks for sharing your personal stats as an understanding of those is a start in your DIY process. As lower BMI side sleepers , you both require thinner and softer comfort layers and possibly softer support layers.

Luckily we both have similar preferences and builds for our respective genders, so I don’t think zoning will be of any concern. So, with that out of the way, I have a few builds I’ve put together that I’d like advice and input on.

DIY Builds:

Build 1: The Pure Latex - $770.45
• 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
• 3” x 2 Naturally Nestled Medium Topper (26ILD)

Build 2: The Latex Hybrid - $680
• 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
• 6” Quantum Edge Pocketed Coils (No idea)
• 1” Lux-HQ Foam (Firm)

Build 3: The Triple Hybrid - $745
• 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
• 1-1/2” HD36-HQ Convoluted Foam (Medium)
• 6” Quantum Edge Pocketed Coils (No idea)
• 1” Lux-HQ Foam (Firm)


Have either of you slept on a latex/ all-latex mattress before? All three builds seem reasonable in terms of comfort and support for both of your preferences. I wasn't familiar with Naturally Nestled and did a quick search on their latex (it is Natural latex/ Dunlop process, a denser, slightly firmer latex product). For the 6" QE Pocketed Coils: is this L&P's Bolsa unit? If so, it is a single-zoned, medium firmness support core and generally well-suited for those of normal and lower BMIs. Your choice of convoluted foam for Build 3 is interesting; any particular reason for its addition beneath the latex comfort layer?

Other notes for all three builds:
• We are considering adding a 1-½” wool/cotton topper from Sleep and Beyond to any/all of these builds. This would go over top of any encasement we get and is not included in our current budget.
• We are currently leaning toward the Sleep on Latex cover as an encasement to any/all of these builds, so input on that would be appreciated.
• These are all fairly value-oriented configurations. Our max budget would be ~$1000 including an encasement and excluding a wool topper, but the cheaper the better, of course. .


Adding an 1-1/2" topper is a personal comfort choice and one that you may consider optional following an initial sleep trial and adjustment period of your new DIY mattress. You'll want time to experiment with getting the comfort and support feel optimized first before fine-tuning with additional toppers, especially for other items are not part of your budget. SOL makes quality encasements and is a good choice. Perhaps there are some consumers with experience using the product who will share their thoughts with you.

Now, besides general input I have a few specific questions:
1. If someone could explain the difference in feel between 6” of medium latex and 6” of pocketed coils as a support core (particularly in the context of build 1 and 2) that’d be great. We are very unsure of which we’d prefer.


A latex support core provides a highly elastic, pressure-relieving properties, motion seperation, and naturally cooling properties. Its ability to "spring back" to its original position gives it the means to adjust to differing sleeping positions, body profiles and weights as you change positions while sleeping. You may find the edge support somewhat different in an all-latex mattress, as you have more of an even support feel across the entire surface of the mattress, rather than that of the QE pocket coil unit, which would have several rows of more narrow/ firmer coils surrounding the mattress's perimeter. The pocket coils provide good point elasticity and respond individually to your body's movements, resulting in a "springier" feel. Between Builds 1 and 2, you may find Build 1/ all-latex to: have a uniform firmness feel from edge to edge;
feel a little more "solid"; and a sleeping cool feel from natural air circulation properties of the open-cell latex foam. Build 2/ latex hybrid would provide: the more familiar feel of pocketed coils/ edge support; a more lively, responsive action from the pairing of latex and pocket coils; and a sleeping cool feel from natural air circulation properties of the open-cell latex and pocket coil unit. Your choice of which support core to use depends on how much motion seperation is a concern (Build 1 wins) and how much responsiveness to motion is preferred (Build 2 wins). Of course, there are many other subjective criteria you may personally consider, but those are all individual choices as only you can "feel" what you feel on any given mattress ;) .

2. Would 6” of medium latex offer enough support? Obviously we are lighter folks looking for a softer bed, but I don’t want to feel like I’m drowning in my mattress.


One of latex's support properties is its high support factor. Even in softer ILDs, it is still well-suited as a support core material, providing proper spinal alignment without sinking down into the mattress too far. You should be fine with a 6" medium core.

3. I see a lot of hybrid builds, both DIY and retail, that throw an inch or so of hard foam under the springs, thus I have copied that design. Is that advised or a waste of money?


The HD foams found at the base of hybrid mattresses serves to stabilize movement of the individual pocket coils within the coil array. It is a functional design element and a good idea to incorporate in your DIY hybrid. Be sure to use a quality, higher density polyfoam , Phoenix's research indicates that a 1.8 lbs. per cu. ft. density is a highly durable density to work with.

4. We are trying to be as “efficient” with our mattress design as possible for reasons economical, environmental, and philosophical. Therefore any unnecessary materials in any of these builds should be stripped out. For example: if a 2 x 2” medium latex core will accomplish the same task as a 2 x 3” medium core, we would go for the former.


That is a question for either one of the trusted members specializing in the latex category or one of our resident DIYer consumers, so I'll leave this one for someone else to weigh in. You have done a thorough, thoughtful analysis of your three proposed builds, Jacobowitz. I'm looking forward to more updates as you continue your research and good luck to you ;) .

Sensei
13 May 2021 04:16
Hi [email protected],

Thank you for taking the time to post your question on this forum. Just to make sure it's not a foundation issue, I suggest you place the mattress directly on the floor and sleep on it for 3-5 nights to see if your problem recurs. Please give us a report in a week or so with your results.

All the best
12 May 2021 13:33
Greetings,

love the site and content, all good stuff.

I recently made the plunge and bought the A/M Mattress and have it on a boxspring and a bedframe with center bar across. Since I am new to the world of an all foam bed and sadly am on the high side of the weight scale I suddenly find lumbar pain.... like others it goes away through the day, but comes back quicker when I lay down, typically I am a side and back sleep. I understand about zones on a mattress, but have no idea how to stiffen up the bed where my buttocks and lower back throw me out of alignment, I tried a pillow under my knees but when I wake up, the pillow is not to be found. I had tried to reduce my heat from penetrating into the mattress and have tried a towel folded in half. However, I seem to be a squirmer and wake up and it's lost in the sheets too.

I truly am excited everynight I go to bed because on my side this bed is awesome!! but the support sags out on the lower parts.... I have searched the site and noticed a few things:
    This is a common issue for foam mattresses
    I do have proper support for the bed on a boxspring and frame
    I try to use a pillow, but it slips away
    a mattress topper may help, but the bed is a medium firm so not sure I need more unless it deflects heat[

    I am sorry if this is cross referenced, I really have not written on a forum before.

    Thanks
09 May 2021 10:13
Hi all,

After finally moving in together (yay) my wonderful girlfriend and I have fallen down the eternal rabbit hole of mattress shopping (anti-yay). We made do with my old, cheap, full-size bed for a couple weeks before taking a trip to Costco to pick up a king-sized Novaform Comfort Grande Plus that was on sale and recommended by my brother. After realizing that this bed was way (way) too firm for us, we decided to educate ourselves, paid a visit to this lovely site, and now have to fight back the urge to ruin every conversation with a incoherent rant about the mattress industry that sounds more akin to something from the Alex Jones podcast than any civilized interaction between adults. To fight back against the dark influence of Big Bed, we’ve decided to DIY our own mattress in an effort to save a bit of money and get exactly what we want. That’s where you amazing folks come in, as I’d like to ask your opinions on a few configurations we’ve put together.

A bit about us:

Me:
  • Man
  • 175lbs
  • 6’3”
  • Side sleeper, though I like to sit up in bed on my laptop occasionally.
  • General build: Shoulders are a touch broader than what might be standard for my height and weight, but save for that pretty thin and bony.

Her:
  • Woman
  • 125lbs
  • 5’8”
  • Side sleeper, very rarely sleeps on her back
  • General build: Long and thin. She has issues with pressure points in the hips and shoulders. Save for her height, she is quite a petite woman.

Luckily we both have similar preferences and builds for our respective genders, so I don’t think zoning will be of any concern. So, with that out of the way, I have a few builds I’ve put together that I’d like advice and input on.

DIY Builds:

Build 1: The Pure Latex - $770.45
  • 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
  • 3” x 2 Naturally Nestled Medium Topper (26ILD)

Build 2: The Latex Hybrid - $680
  • 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
  • 6” Quantum Edge Pocketed Coils (No idea)
  • 1” Lux-HQ Foam (Firm)


Build 3: The Triple Hybrid - $745
  • 3” Naturally Nestled Soft Latex Topper (20ILD)
  • 1-1/2” HD36-HQ Convoluted Foam (Medium)
  • 6” Quantum Edge Pocketed Coils (No idea)
  • 1” Lux-HQ Foam (Firm)

Other notes for all three builds:
  • We are considering adding a 1-½” wool/cotton topper from Sleep and Beyond to any/all of these builds. This would go over top of any encasement we get and is not included in our current budget.
  • We are currently leaning toward the Sleep on Latex cover as an encasement to any/all of these builds, so input on that would be appreciated.
  • These are all fairly value-oriented configurations. Our max budget would be ~$1000 including an encasement and excluding a wool topper, but the cheaper the better, of course. .


Now, besides general input I have a few specific questions:

  1. If someone could explain the difference in feel between 6” of medium latex and 6” of pocketed coils as a support core (particularly in the context of build 1 and 2) that’d be great. We are very unsure of which we’d prefer.
  2. Would 6” of medium latex offer enough support? Obviously we are lighter folks looking for a softer bed, but I don’t want to feel like I’m drowning in my mattress.
  3. I see a lot of hybrid builds, both DIY and retail, that throw an inch or so of hard foam under the springs, thus I have copied that design. Is that advised or a waste of money?
  4. We are trying to be as “efficient” with our mattress design as possible for reasons economical, environmental, and philosophical. Therefore any unnecessary materials in any of these builds should be stripped out. For example: if a 2 x 2” medium latex core will accomplish the same task as a 2 x 3” medium core, we would go for the former.

  5. Hope I didn’t bore you all with too many details. Any advice you can offer is much appreciated!
16 Nov 2020 13:10
I'm the end, we opted to not go the DIY route and got a Novaform Pearl in medium firm from Costco.

The main reason is their return policy is better than all other retailers in case it takes us time to find the right mattress feel for him.

Most people only pay attention only to the ILD numbers of the foam layers and not to all the other specs or components that can make a significant difference in how a mattress feels and performs for any particular individual


You're right about ILD and foam density, as I was primarily going by that to generate a mattress. After realizing how little knowledge I truly have, even after researching for hours trying to find the best solution, I realize not going the DIY route is best for everyone and my wallet.

I might try and go that route later if we ever create a guest room. That way I can explore and play around without ruining anyone's back right away.
15 Jul 2020 09:11
First off I would like to apologize if this is in the wrong section. I wanted to put this in the "general mattress questions" category, but I couldn't figure out how to do that - it didn't seem to be an option for me.

As the title says, I am in desperate need of a new mattress. I am so grateful to have found this site, but I am also feeling so overwhelmed. I'm hoping to find some guidance in what direction to go in.

My current mattress is 12 years old. It is a cheap foam mattress I bought off of Overstock as a broke, recently laid-off, 20-something. I couldn't even tell you what kind of foam it is, but it definitely is time for it to go.

I'm looking for something suitable for both my husband and myself. He is 5'9", about 185lbs, primarily a side sleeper and sometimes a back-sleeper (maybe 70% side, 30% back). I am 5'2", 112lbs, primarily a back sleeper, sometimes a side sleeper (maybe 85% back, 15% side). We both experience neck, shoulder, and back pain. This is largely due to our physical activity, but I think our mattress contributes as well. We've both definitely woken up sore and achey. We both struggle to get comfortable and fall asleep, and I don't think either of us wakes up feeling particularly refreshed. Our budget is about $700. (I know as far as mattresses go, $700 is low. :-/ But, I'm still hoping to find the best quality possible in that range.)

I know comfort is highly personal, and no one will be able to tell me "x" is the perfect mattress for you. I also know that ideally, we would go in-person to try out mattresses to see what we like. Unfortunately, we are in a position where going in-person to test isn't really an option right now but we definitely need a new mattress as soon as possible. We've basically reached our limit with this current mattress and can't stand it anymore.

We are looking primarily at foam mattresses, though not at all opposed to hybrids. What is really unfortunate is that neither of us really know what we like. Foam is fine, but would we like a hybrid more? I don't know. That being said, there don't seem to be a ton of hybrids in our price range, so I feel like that kind of decides that for us. Within the foam realm, I'm afraid I still can't say what we prefer. Memory foam? Latex? Poly? I know they all have different feels, but I don't know what we prefer. I realize how very difficult this makes the buying process, especially as we can't try things in-person. On the other hand, neither of us is all that picky so I feel like we'll probably be happy with just about any type of foam if the comfort is there (which again, I know is highly personal).

Other than the highly-subjective comfort factor, we don't have a lot of needs. He tends to sleep hot, so something cooler would be nice. He also tends to sleep close to the edge of the bed, so some edge support would also be nice. I realize though, those are two factors that are really rare in foam mattresses, particularly in our price range. So, as far as cooling and edge support goes, I'm really looking for a mattress that maybe offers a bit "more" than expected in those factors rather than amazing and perfect.

As of a few days ago, I had narrowed it down to:
- Bear Original (Celliant cover seems cool, but also maybe gimmicky. Edge support doesn't seem to be the greatest though, and it seems to not be all that cooling.)
- Nector (I was almost sold and ready to buy this one. Edge support seems to be better than a lot of foam, and it seems to be cooler than expected. BUT, the customer service seems to be awful, and I'm a bit weary about t the lack of information or specificity about the foam components from China and worry about quality.)
- Novaform ComfortGrane (Seems like it would be good, but I'm not sure it's the best we can get in our price range? I have read about it sagging/indenting very early on. Costco's customer service and return policy seem great though.)
- Tulo Medium (Again, seems OK, but I'm not sure if it's the best we can get in our price range. It is currently on sale for just $400, so the price is more than right, but I don't want to be swayed by cheap prices.)

The thing is, all of the above and resulting information came from all those mattress review sites that I now know may not be the sites to really trust. So, I'm feeling completely lost. I've basically looked at probably all of the internet "bed-in-box" companies, and honestly, none of them are completely off the table. In the back of my mind, I'm also considering Casper, and Tuft and Needle, and Helix, and Ghost Bed, and Purple, and Leesa, and Brooklyn Bedding...you get the picture. No company at all is off the table. I've just been looking at the internet bed-in-box ones because that's what is in my face, but I am completely open to any company that would be good. But there are just too many choices and options, and I'm facing complete analysis paralysis right now.

Part of me feels like I should just go ahead and buy a mattress, any mattress, because it seems virtually anything would be better than what we have now. But I don't want to make a hasty decision. Even with a low budget, I want to make and informed decision and get the best I can. And, even though so many of these companies offer "free" and "easy" returns, I would really rather NOT return a mattress (and it seems they're not so easy to return anyway). Right now, I find myself completely stuck in the research and analyzing phase, feeling completely overwhelmed by all the information and considerations, and I literally cannot make a decision. I would love for someone to just tell me to buy "x" mattress, but I know no one can do that, and I know even recommendations are unlikely due to the subjective nature of things (even though I want that, lol!). But in the absence of that, I've love it if anyone can provide any guidance!
12 Feb 2020 16:16
I am 6’ 175 lbs and my wife is 5’ 4” 125 lbs. She requires a very soft mattress due to shoulder and hip issues. I also have shoulder issues but prefer a firmer mattress, likely due to my greater weight. We've gone through four mattresses over the last twenty years. Our last mattress, which was less than four years old, was a 14" Novaform Comfort from Costco that had not aged well. My wife has used memory foam toppers for at least ten years, with her latest topper being 3".

We ordered a split king Presto mattress January 27. The split king mattress includes two twin XL 2" bonus HD layers, which we upgraded to a 2" organic latex layer and a 2" memory foam layer. The mattress was delivered February 6, although it had arrived at the trucking company's distribution centre in Edmonton February 2. The delay was a result of a delivery backlog on the part of Day & Ross, the trucking company,

The delivery itself went well. The delivery person positioned the mattress, bonus layers and box of pillows on a tarp I had placed on my garage floor. The packaging was good, as shown in the attached pictures. The mattress was in a heavy plastic bag, which was inside a cardboard box. The bonus layers were double bagged in heavy plastic. The pillows were in individual plastic bags inside a cardboard box. It may not be the greenest packaging but it offered good protection for everything.

After unpacking the mattress, I unzipped its cover and carried the individual layers to our second floor bedroom. I then set the mattress up on our existing slatted twin XL frames from IKEA. After three tries, we settled on the following layer orders (top-to-bottom).

My wife's side:
• 2” memory foam - 12 ILD (as a mattress topper)
• 2” memory foam - 12 ILD
• 2” memory foam - 12 ILD
• 2” latex - 20 ILD
• 4” base - 40 ILD

My side:
• 2” latex - 20 ILD
• 2” latex - 20 ILD
• 2” HR foam - 20 ILD
• 4” foam core - 40 ILD

We tried placing the three memory foam layers in the mattress cover on my wife's side. It didn't work as she prefers to have a top layer without any compression. I don't know if this is because she's had a topper for a long time and I don't care. As long as she's happy with the setup, I am as well.

The extra memory foam layer was about four inches shorter than the other layers. Within hours of emailing this information to Mario, he responded, "I'm sorry about that bonus layer, we'll have a proper one shipped out to you ASAP." Mario is to be commended for excellent after sales service!

The only complaint I have at this time pertains to the nylon zipper on the mattress cover and this issue is not unique to MFC. I am not sure how long the zipper will last, as I expect to rearrange and rotate layers on a regular basis. Fortunately, my wife sews and will be able to insert a more durable zipper if necessary. And if worse comes to worse, I can always order another cover!

All-in-all, I'm very happy with Mario, MFC and our Presto mattress. I will never again purchase a mattress that cannot be reconfigured.
22 Nov 2019 08:20
Obviously extremely disappointed that it took so short to wear through a $2400 mattress.
I don't know what to do at this point. How do I know how many layers to replace? Why did this happen?
My back hurts ridiculously when I wake up. Sleeping on my wife's side I wake up with no pain whatsoever. I have tested it numerous times, and both of us can feel the large dip on my side. I rotated all the layers (moved head side to feet) and it made no difference.
When we first got the mattress I tried every single combination I possibly could, exchanged layers and tried even more. I tried every single combo going from a softer top to a firmer bottom, with dunlop as the bottom 2 layers and talalay as the top 2. Actually I think it was dunlop on the bottom 3 layers, but I am not sure, I have to sort through all the past emails and try to remember before confirming. Foam was not blended. I logged everything and put a lot of effort into it, as my previous Novaform Serafina was such a piece of crap, and the SleepEZ mattress was so expensive and as told in a SleepEZ email, "a latex mattress is designed to be a 20 year mattress, and the difference in longevity is a couple of years at the most". I tested many combinations at a local store about about 6 separate times before buying, which I made a thread here about. This lead to the right mattress combo for me, but it is unacceptable that it only lasts this long.
I had narrowed down my preferred layers from the store trials but was convinced to go stiffer by the SleepEZ rep. When I used the combo I was initially sent, it was far far too stiff and had to exchange layers as my arms were falling asleep. The layers I ended up staying with were the ones I would have gotten at the beginning, which I should have just ordered to begin with due to the testing I did in store. Anyway, I was about to post what my layers are now and were at the beginning, but I will open up the mattress to be sure beforehand.
11 Jul 2019 12:36
Hi DeAngelis,

You’re very welcome! :) Very useful info on your pillow and topper testing!

I do not know the density of the novaform topper I couldn’t find any info on it. It seems very soft though.


Novaform, is brand owned by Innocor, a memory foam developer and manufacturer. No density information is listed, most likely this topper is 3lb (maybe 2.8lb) memory foam, and they sell many thousands of these toppers. It looks like the layering (mattes + X-Soft memory foam topper may be too soft for your needs… or it may be that it is sagging from use and the heavier parts of your body sink in too much compromising your alignment. You introduced a new variable which is the chiropractor adjustments, I always recommend in and of the home testing to change only one variable at a time as much as possible this is the most accurate way to pinpoint how the change affects your sleep.

I thought I was having hot flashes the latex topper was sooo hot.


From your description, I think you may have meant …. that the “memory foam topper was sooo hot”. Latex, generally, is one of the most breathable and "temperature neutral" of all the different types of foam materials but the firmness of a mattress and how much you sink into it can also affect sleeping temperature as well. Memory foam (with or without gels) will generally be the least breathable and most insulating of the foam comfort materials, so the temperature can be an issue. If you do end choose something with memory foam, you’d want to make sure that the memory foam layer on top is very thin so that don’t sink in too deeply.

I feel like memory foam is also quite hot! I like to keep my blankets on as I sleep better with weight on me.


Although generally speaking temperature issues are easier to monitor it is still a complex subject. Keep in mind that the topper will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than other materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin. There are many variables involved (including your room temperature and humidity, your sheets and bedding and bedclothes, your mattress protector or any mattress pads you are using, where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range, or experiencing “hot flashes”). Also, some people can sleep warmer on mattresses that most people are generally fine with ... there is more in post #2 about tracking potential cause(s) for sleeping hot and temperature regulation issues(at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) and the posts it links to that that you may wish to read. There is more in post #2 about many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress/sleeping system in that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range.

I was also looking into the sleep ez system you have listed on your site... do you think this type of bed would be more accommodating to my pain issues.
Because this bed is a split king does that eliminate the motion transfer you feel with latex? When I test the no split latex bed in the store they feel like a bowl of jello. I do think the soft talalay latex feels nice though.


While Sleep EZ mattresses are of excellent quality and they are also one Mattress Expert members of the site …the only way to know for certain whether any specific mattress will be a suitable choice that provides you with both the right comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment will be based on either …
1. your own careful testing or your own personal experience when sleeping … or …
2. A detailed conversation with SleepEZ themselves as they know their systems and how they work for different people with different needs better than anyone else. I’d certainly make sure to give them a call…they have excellent customer service and whether you end up buying from them or not they are always glad to share their wealth of knowledge.

Keep in mind that different people have very different needs and preferences for a mattress in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own personal preferences). While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to confirm a choice or to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress….in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions (You can read more it in this post about what mattress is best for me? ).

Because this bed is a split king does that eliminate the motion transfer you feel with latex? When I test the no split latex bed in the store they feel like a bowl of jello. I do think the soft talalay latex feels nice though .


Latex is not a motion transferring material. It is also not a material which sends "waves" across the surface. You can confirm this by lying on any latex mattress in any store (as long as it really is latex and not just a thin latex layer mixed in with something else). The "jello" feeling with latex ... may be a result of certain constructions where a person sinks in too deeply into the mattress or the way that latex (or any highly resilient and elastic material) returns energy when they move. You can try a latex pillow and lie on your back and then turn your head side to side you will feel it springing back from behind as your head moves away from the part it was resting on and how it "helps" your head to move. This is a subjective perception or "feel" that is part of individual preference but has nothing to do with motion transfer. Even this can be adjusted by changing layer thickness or the softness/firmness of the layers.

In general, there is more about motion transfer in post #18 here . Memory foam is the best at motion transfer but latex, pocket coils, microcoils, buckling column gel, and even polyfoam are generally good as well but it will depend to some degree on the specific design of the mattress, on your relative weight ranges, and your sleeping style (such as how close you sleep together). Regardless of the type of mattress, some people that are more “motion transfer sensitive” opt to purchase two twin extra-long products versus a spit king mattress. There certainly will be less capacity for motion transfer with the items disconnected.

You are going the right way about selecting a mattress and I hope that your discussions with SleepEZ will lead you to find something that meets your needs for PPP, motion transfer, temperature issues.

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