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Yesterday 08:52
  • csufman
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We are in a similar spot as you are. We are looking at the Halcyon Arcadia with their soft coils, soft microcoils and soft dunlop topper. I am a hot sleeper and felt the cover on the Arcadia felt cooler than the EOS. The other mattress we are looking at is the European Sleep Works Nordic II HDM. We did not compare these two on the same day but will be going back (its a 4 hour drive from us). Like you we like very soft/plush beds and these two have been the softest we have felt. The Nordic II is $3,200 so its considerably less than the Arcadia (which is on sale this week) so not sure we can justify the cost of the Arcadia...although feel wise may have been the best.

I was also looking into replicating the feel with a DIY build using an 8" pocket coil base, micro pocketed coil comfort layer and a 3" Talalay plush topper. Just not sure we can recreate the feel of the Arcadia zipper cover...but I am around $1,000 for the components without the cover so far. I put links to the components below just not sure how close this will feel to the two.

Base Coils

Micro Pocketed Coils

Talalay Topper
10 Jun 2022 19:56
  • Basilio
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Hi rhemy1,

Do you have a suggestion for a full latex mattress no coils. I weigh 226 lbs and tend to sleep on ever side. I’m 5’ 11”

It is difficult to make any suggestions with certainty, as again a mattresses comfort and ability to provide support while you sleep is unique to you having a unique body type and needs and preferences. Thanks for providing additional stats; I will say that at a higher BMI, while you’ll need to put a special emphasis on more durable materials and constructions and probably on mattresses that are thicker have firmer comfort and support layers (firmer materials feel softer for heavier people and firmer support layers are usually important to for good alignment for higher weights). I would especially make sure you read Post #2 here that has some generic guidelines for different body types and sleeping positions and post #14 here has more about the benefits of thicker comfort layers and thicker mattresses. You will likely want to look at firmer-feeling mattresses to provide enough support and prevent any misalignment in your spine or joint pain, but not that firm that it created pressure points since you are a side sleeper. This is to say that I would definitely run all of this summarized info by the retailer/manufacturer themselves as they are the best to know how their mattresses and designs work with different body types, weights, and sleeping positions. Which is why it is so important to speak with someone knowledgeable rather than be given a “script response” from a sales rep that has little to no experience with how the mattress works.

Since it sounds like you are leaning towards an all latex mattress, some options from TMU trusted members list would include a DIY mattress construction under the direct supervision of a trusted member such as DIY Mattress , who allow you to create your own customized mattress, they have 2” and 3” layers of both Dunlop(this a denser, firmer latex with a ‘bouncy’ feel) and Talalay (A softer more responsive feel in case you like that better) of various firmness levels, allowing you to use for example, a Talalay layer at the top for comfort, with Dunlop below to provide support. By providing them your stats and sleeping preferences they can create a layered latex mattress which you can place on a base like a platform or adjustable bed frame.

Member Latex Mattress Factory specializes in mattresses for plus sized people and are extremely skilled in guiding consumers to good fit mattress on the DIY construction model, I would go for something with 10” of more of firmer natural latex mattress. (On the call I would make sure to mention the base model construction that you tested in the shop and liked) so that they get a better sense I’d start with these two and then see what other similar options you can find from other members that best fit your personal criteria (price, returns, warranties, and all else that is important to you) such as Flexus Comfort and CozyPure , who likewise offer all-latex mattresses. I have included a list below of all the trusted members who offer all-latex mattresses:
Arizona Premium Arizona SleepEZ Bay Bed & Mattress BioSleep Concept CBH Wood Furniture CozyPure DIY Mattress DIY Natural Bedding Dormio Organic Beds Flexus Comfort Mattress FloBeds Foam Sweet Foam Fox Mattress Gardner Mattress GhostBed Latex Mattress Factory Luma Sleep Mattress Makers Mattress To Go MFC My Green Mattress Nest Bedding Oklahoma Mattress Company Richmond Bedding Shepherd’s Dream Shovlin Mattress Factory Sleeping Organic Spindle Mattress Texas Mattress Makers The Beloit Mattress Company The Mattress Factory
It’s good to see that you started by eliminating the worst contenders then deciding the basics – the feel and firmness you want in a mattress, what materials or options you do or don’t want (like ‘no coils’) You are on the good track. Let us know how far you go and we’ll be happy to make additional comments on any of the mattresses you are considering.

Basilio
29 May 2022 11:02
  • swedish
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Hi NikkiTMU, thanks so much for the feedback!

Firmness is ultimately determined by coil gauge. The lower the number, the thicker the coil, and therefore the firmer the mattress. 12 would be the thickest you can usually find, ranging up to 15 gauge.


According to the listing for the combi-zone coils , the coil guages are "16g narrow diameter perimeter coils. 17g narrow diameter coils through center 1/3 and 14g larger diameter coils on both sides of center 1/3.", which doesn't fall in the 12 to 15 range you specify. But what I gather from reading some posts from APM, even though the perimeter and center coils are higher guage, because they are narrow diameter there are more of them close together, which causes them to actually be firmer than the 14 guage?

However, after trying to get more info on the coil guage for the combi-zone coils, I'm now concerned that zoned coils may not be right for me. I tried to get more information on some other alternatives, but it's hard to find coil gauge specs. It sounds like my next best bet may be the 6" Quantum Edge Elite Bolsa, however I can only find the 8 inch version . Are those coils not available in 6 inch anymore?

I did also find the caliber edge coils . Those are 13.75 guage, but I found another post saying that it's the least firm of the three? It's so confusing :S

Also, are there really no other options than combi-zone, QE bolsa, and caliber edge?
26 May 2022 21:11
  • swedish
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Hey all, I've decided to try my hand at a DIY mattress, and am looking for some feedback. I tried out a Naturepedic EOS hybrid in store and liked it, so am looking to more or less recreate it. I tried out the firm coils and both the firm latex and medium latex, and think I might like something slightly in between the medium and firm. This is what I've come up with so far (top to bottom)r:

2" All Natural Talalay Latex Topper Medium#25-29
2" All Natural Talalay Latex Topper Firm#30-34
Combi-Zone Pocket Coil by Leggett and Platt
12" Mattress Cover: Knit Ticking

According to this post , the ILD ratings of the above line up with Naturepedic. I'm hoping by doing a medium layer on top of a firm, I'll end up with a feeling something in between the two. Does it work that way?

From what I've been reading, if I want firm coils then the Combi-Zone is the way to go. However, it's been a bit difficult tracking down information on coils, so if there's something else I should be considering, please let me know.

As for the cover, I'm considering the knit ticking from DIY Natural Bedding since I've seen their covers recommended in other posts, and also because it's machine washable. The Organic Cotton Zippered Mattress Cover from APM looks like it may also be machine washable (though it doesn't say on the site). However, I've made it this far without ever having washed my mattress cover, so I'm wondering if there's some other criteria I should be trying to use to make that decision.

I'm also wondering, is it worth it to cover each individual latex layer with a cover? Something like the Stretch Cotton Cover from Latex Mattress Factory . Will that improve the lifespan of the latex layers by adding a small protection layer? Or would adding a mattress protector like the St Dormier be enough protection?

My final question: I've seen posts saying it's not necessary to have a foam layer under the springs, but I've seen a lot of people doing it as well. Should I add half an inch of LUX-R Foam under the springs? Or don't bother?

And in case anyone is wondering, the mattress would be for me (6', 180lbs) and my wife (5'3", 120). I fall asleep on my stomach, wake up on my back. My wife sleeps mainly on her back, sometimes on her side. We both like mattresses on the firmer side.

Thanks in advance for any feedback!
19 May 2022 23:36
  • phoenix
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Hi MetalHead671.

The couch is making me wake up with sore shoulders and lower back!
I also have scoliosis coupled with my mechanic job that has me coming home with sore shoulder, back and knees so something that's supportive yet has pressure relief would be preferred.

Thanks for the additional info. Generally, “lower-back pain” in the morning tends to be alignment (deep support) related, but this may not necessarily be the only thing at play. I am guessing that the couch is also lacking the appropriate comfort level to allow for pressure relief, especially in the shoulder area. All of which makes an assessment more difficult to separate the causes, between scoliosis and your current sleeping setup, for the best comfort-support balance you'd do best with. (If you want to read ahead on this topic there are some general guidelines as to what tends to cause back pain in post #2 here that you may find interesting)

I want to say that on paper, I'm leaning towards something latex especially if I have the option to replace layers if I need to adjust the feel. I'm open to high quality polyfoam options if they're worth trying out.

I'd lean towards latex as it has an unusual ability to be both supportive and soft at the same time. With your scoliosis condition, it becomes especially important to find the best balance between pressure relief and support/alignment (along the length of your spine) for your side sleeping position. Alignment/support is the most important thing that a mattress does for you, so you'll always want to choose something that doesn't allow for too much accentuation of your lateral curvatures when side sleeping. Generally, you'd want something with "just enough" surface plushness to assist with contouring for your shoulders and hips. I wouldn't be able to tell you how much that would be, as there are so many variables involved, including your body type, level of sensitivity, and of course your back issues.

As buying locally is not an option the next best thing is to get an online customizable latex mattress with zippered cover from a reputable manufacturer, with a good trial/return or layer exchange policy in case things don't go as well as you hoped for. Here are a few suggestions to look at but you'd need to check on their return and trial policies. I'd consider a Talalay comfort layer for more on top of the Dunlop latex transition and base layer. (Talalay is considered to be more pressure relieving than Dunlop because it allows for a deeper cradle in the same ILD)
To start you off I made a very short list of products that would meet your criteria, but I'd take a closer look at Trusted Members of the site for more options.
Arizona Premium has a (9") Queen Naturalux latex mattress I'd call Ken and ask for his firmness recommendations for your specific condition if you prefer to use a Pocket spring for your base layer, this is also a good option and you may want to go DIY route using Ken's expertise.
Arizona SleepEZ also has a highly customizable Natural Latex Mattress and Organic Latex Mattres s of different thicknesses that you may want to have a look at. They also have a Hybrid-latex version.
Biosleep Concept Versailles Latex Mattress is also worth looking at.
Mattress Makers has quite a few options depending on the mattress height you'd like. Here is their CORONADO MEDIUM
Foam Sweet Foam's Urban Green Mattress is highly customizable.

In your case whatever mattress you chose I'd keep in mind that your body will need to relearn, adjust, and regain a more relaxed state where the muscles are not tensing in order to compensate for any misalignment or discomfort.
Let us know of your progress. and if you have additional questions.
Phoenix
14 May 2022 20:04
  • phoenix
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Hi yloc88.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

we are in frequent pain and never feel well rested after sleep
We currently sleep on a Nest Bedding Alexander Signature Hybrid Mattress, Split King style (Medium and Plush), this after having tried them in store. They were fine for the first 1-2 years, but since have been causing more and more issues.

I am sorry to hear that you are losing the ability to get a restful and restorative night's sleep. As a learning point to move forward from it would be wise to determine any of the overlapping causes that cause lower back pains to you and shoulder and neck pains for your wife. From what you describe it sounds like you both have some preexisting conditions which you'd need to take into account when putting together your DIY mattress. As health care workers you've most likely determined if the current mattress is also contributing to your pains. Telltales signs of this could be ...pains attenuating during the day; pains persistent during the night and the point when and if they increase in intensity. If you are not sure you could do a visual assessment for each other to see if your spinal alignment is “neutral” when you lie down in your primary sleeping positions?

What we really need help with at this time is determining the rest of the bed. We would like to have a thick mattress since our bedframe is kind of low. We are pretty sure about the top 9" comfort layers above, unless someone else has any suggestions/input. For the support layers we are deciding between:
1. 7" HD foam
2. 7" of stacked latex layers, either (6"+1") or (2"+2"+3") I would like all talalay, but don't really understand if there is any real benefit to that in our support layers under our preferred comfort layers

It looks like you gave it a great deal of thought to your DIY but here is some more food for thought
I question the need to have a 16” mattress. I understand you’d like the mattress to be higher off the floor but there are better ways of achieving this without paying a premium price for expensive foams or latex to play the role of elevating the bed. For example, you may consider placing another module on your existing bed frame, unless you have esthetic considerations as well.

You both have normal BMIs so not much thickness is necessary to achieve optimum comfort and support. You can read about the effect of thickness in post #14 here >

The main benefit of a thicker latex mattress (or any mattress that uses similar materials) is that it can be more adaptable for heavier weights and multiple sleeping positions. It will compress from softer to firmer more gradually which means that there is more "range" of compression without the mattress becoming too firm for heavier weights (or parts of the body). A thicker mattress can also be part of a specific design that requires it such as some types of zoning or layering that needs more layers to accomplish the design goal of the mattress. It can even just be a matter of preference rather than "need".

Thickness and softness work together and because thicker layers (or mattresses) can have a greater range of compression and are more "adaptable" ... it's also possible to use firmer top layers in a thicker mattress and still have good pressure relief because of the greater range of compression of the thicker mattress which can create a mattress with a firmer "surface feel" but that still provides good pressure relief and adapts well to the body contours.

With a 16” mattress the firmness of the upper layers would need to go up. All the layers of a mattress actually compress simultaneously, not sequentially, and they will each compress to different percentages of their thickness depending on their position on the mattress, the firmness of each layer, the compression modulus of the material, the thickness of each layer, and the compression force that they are exposed to (which depends on the weight of the part of the body in contact with the mattress and the surface area that is bearing that weight which is constantly changing as you sink into the mattress more or change sleep positions). So your body weight will “reach” the bottom layer, but the resulting comfort will only be determined through your own personal testing, which is part of the fun (and for some people part of the “pain”) of a DIY design.

“ #1. 7" HD foam” ~ as a base would be less expensive especially if its role in the DIY build is to use it mainly to elevate the other layers it has the advantage of placing it in the same cover, as long as the IFD is firm enough to not detract from the 9” build you’ve put together thus far.
for latex (quite expensive) only to use it as a support layer, and you’d need to go x-firm with the bottom layer

2. 7" of stacked latex layers, either (6"+1") or (2"+2"+3") I would like all talalay, but don't really understand if there is any real benefit to that in our support layers under our preferred comfort layers

also can work as well (all other considerations still stand) but this has the advantage that multiple layers can be rearranged (or exchanged) is that there are more layering combinations possible for changing and fine-tuning the performance and feel of the mattress but in many cases, this wouldn't be necessary and in some cases can lead to a level of complexity that can make predicting how the layers interact more difficult (see post #2 here )

There is no real benefit in using Talalay in the support layer of your mattress. in fact, the preferred use for a support layer is Dunlop latex as it is denser in the same ILD and more supportive. Talalay process is also more expensive than Dunlop in the same ILD

Your choice of Talalay over Dunlop for your comfort layers is a matter of preference. Talalay is considered to be more "springy" or "lively" than Dunlop because you will generally sink in deeper which means there is more up and down "movement" or "ride" with Talalay and it springs back more strongly and quickly. This creates a different "feel" between the two materials and is also why Talalay is often considered to be more pressure relieving than Dunlop because it allows for a deeper cradle in the same ILD ... while Dunlop is considered to be more supportive because it doesn't compress as deeply with greater weight ... all else (including ILD) being equal of course. it would likely not have a noticeable difference in how the mattress feels as long as you have matched the comfort layers to your specific needs.

To sum it up the overall thickness of a mattress that is either "needed" or "preferred" would depend on the combinations of the layers and components that are needed to achieve the design goal of the mattress and provide the PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) that can best match each person and their unique body type, sleeping positions, and preferences.

My wife has only ever slept coils and prefers that because she is afraid she will not like an all-latex bed, but I have only found 8" and that wouldn't fit in the mattress cover

If your wife wants to stick to the familiar feel of a coil base layer, rather than layered latex….is again a matter of personal preference; an innerspring coil base will generally impart extra cradling, but the deeper within the mattress the coil is the less you’ll be able to notice it and with the zoned latex layers, your wife’s low BMI and the fact you both primarily sleep on your sides, your wife could be equally comfortable with either a coil unit, the layered latex or foam support base.

There are many 6” coil units available that you may want to lock at for example a Leggett & Platt Caliber Edge 6” coil Base which might be suitable for your build if you decide to go that direction. Arizona Premium Mattress also has a Quanutm Edge Elite that comes both in 8” and 6” thickness.

Sounds like you and your wife have done a good amount of research into a replacement mattress. An all-latex DIY build will certainly provide you with long-term durable comfort as you are customizing it to fit both of your needs.

I would certainly contact Dewey at FloBeds and ask them which option they think is best as a support base under the 9” build thus far.

You have made a good choice with the vZone]Talalay latex layers
you are most likely aware that FloBeds are one of the Trusted Members of the site which means that I think highly of and consider them to be among the best in the industry. They have a extensive experience in matching consumers with sleeping solutions, and they also have a dedicated forum page here With their 100 night trial period as well as a 20-year policy to allow you to exchange layers for a discounted rate you are in good hands.

Hope these few considerations help you with the fine-tuning of your DIY.
Good luck and let us know what is your final decision.
Phoenix
09 May 2022 23:20
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Hi karia,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I am a 60 yrs old, 106 lb female with sciatica and hip pain. I sleep on a Stearns & Foster mattress which is about ten years old but still in a good condition. I need a topper to soften the surface. I was thinking of a 1" soft talalay latex topper. I checked Amazon offerings but they are mostly dunlap. I've read that talalay provides more cushioning.

The good news is that you can always s make a mattress that feels too firm a little softer by adding a topper. The choice of material is good too as both Talalay and Dunlop latex have great pressure-relieving qualities but also provide additional secondary support for the recessed areas of your body. Latex has an unusual combination of surface softness and deeper firmness/support that comes from its elasticity, and can certainly be an effective way to add some additional "cushioning". Toppers are designed to add comfort to a mattress that does not sag but is too firm and needs some pressure relief qualities. When you use a topper over a mattress the topper will compress and in combination with the layers below it will take on the shape of your body profile. Softer toppers will compress more than firmer toppers. This "cradle" formed by the upper layers re-distributes weight away from the pressure points of the body.

Sometimes choosing a topper can be as difficult as choosing a mattress as it takes a bit of trial and error to dial in and find the exact combo of support/comfort best for your needs. If you need just a bit of “cushioning”, then 1” of Talalay might be all thickness you’d need, but before you decide on how much thickness and what comfort level do you need (soft, medium soft, medium, firm etc.) you’d take into account a few other factors to select the appropriate thickness/firmness for your needs and preferences and for mitigating your sciatica and hip pain.

You did not mention your primary sleeping position, nor your height, but if you are a side sleeper you may need a bit more thickness for your topper. There is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to, which along with a conversation with a reliable and knowledgeable supplier (that can provide you with good information about how their toppers compare to each other or to other toppers they are familiar with that are available on the market), can help.

Please I need your expertise, help me to find an online store with a good return policy.

In general, a good starting point for a good comfort layer for a side sleeper is 3" and then depending on weight, body shape, preferences, and the firmness of the support layers, to go up or down from there. Most side sleepers will fall in the range of from 2" - 4".

Toppers, like mattresses, are a comfort choice , so your preferences for components, fabrications, thickness, etc. will all factor into your selection. Here are a few important guidelines
~ If the mattress needs just a "touch to a little" extra softness or a softer "surface feel" ... then a 1" topper is usually enough.
~ If you need a little to a fair bit of extra softness and pressure relief ... then a 2" topper would be in the average range. Given that you are lighter this may prove to be a good option for you.
~ Generally Heavier weights do better with firmer and thicker toppers. Lighter weights generally do best with softer and thinner toppers.

At a quick glance I could find some of our trusted members that offer latex topers, but most of the Talalay toppers that are offered come in 2”-4” thickness. You may consider giving the manufacturers a call to see if they would be willing to slice a topper for you to fit your desired thickness, or enquire if perhaps they would have some other unlisted options that may be of help to you. Just in case you are reconsidering the topper material from Talalay to Dunlop I also listed some manufacturers who offer 1” Dunlop toppers..
DIY Natural Bedding has a latex calculator and it seems that it offers the 1" thickness option for organic Dunlop latex.
My Green Mattress has a 1’ Dunlop topper
DIY Mattress has 2” or 3” NR Talalay & Dunlop toppers
diymattress.com/product/talalay-topper/
Arizona Premium 2” or 3” Talalay & Dunlop toppers
Flexus Comfort has 2 and 3” toppers
Foam Sweet Foam Has 3” toppers both Talalay and Dunlop
Latex Mattress Factory 2” or 3” toppers
Luma Sleep has 2"& 3" Talalay and Dunlop toppers.
Naturally Nestled has both NR and Organic Dunlop toppers in 2" & 3" thickness, with a very good return policy.
Sleep EZ has 2” or 3” NR Talalay & Dunlop toppers

No matter what you end up selecting, I'd make sure to ask the company about the topper's return policy as some of the retailers/manufacturers do not accept topper returns or exchanges.

Once you get a chance to peruse the information and links mentioned above I’d make sure to check out our Trusted Members here Most have good quality toppers and I have no doubt that they will not hesitate to help you find the best combo and thickness/softness they have available that works for you. As you may have gathered, It usually takes a bit of trial and error and a bit of time spent on the mattress to ensure that you "dialed in" the best mattress/topper combination suitable for you. I’d make sure that whatever you chose has a good exchange policy as you won’t be able to take your new mattress with you to a shop to test the mattress/topper combination as they do not work in isolation.

I hope this helps and let me know if you have more questions and I’ll do my best to assist you.
Phoenix
22 Apr 2022 19:21
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I am 6'3", 180 lbs. Side/stomach sleeper.

I want to build a hybrid mattress. My first draft:

Legget and Platt 8" Combi-Zone Pocket Coil
2" Foambymail Dunlop Medium Topper (29 ILD)2" foambymail.com Dunlop topper (ILD 29)
Arizona Premium Mattress 2" All Natural Talalay Latex Topper
or
2 " Blended Talalay Latex Mattress Topper

I'm torn between the 2 top layers. I assume I'll need to go with the soft talalay due to being a side sleeper. I've read that the 8" Combi-Zone makes for a very firm base. I like a firm mattress but like I want to be comfortable on my side, but able to sleep on my stomach without sinking in too much. Open to suggestions.

Should I go with a firmer transition layer? From what I gather, a 29 ILD Dunlop is still fairly firm. So I thought that would give a good middle ground.

Is a medium talalaly layer ever used for side sleepers or would that be too firm?
20 Apr 2022 14:05
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Larsen611.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Having a problem with sagging/indents for plus sized partner.


This is due to the durability (or lack thereof) in the mattress you currently have. You can find our recommendations in terms of durable components for higher body weights in these handy mattress durability guidelines . It's very likely that a split configuration is going to be the best option for you and your partner, as you have very differing needs in terms of support.

Looking to get a hybrid but something strong.


This will also be determined by how adequate the materials are for the person sleeping on each side of the bed.

We like the medium firm feel as we both have back problems but want it comfy enough we do t end up with sore hips.


Some soreness can be caused by an inadequate level of support from your comfort layer which can be dictated by your sleeping position. You may find this article on sleeping positions and their various needs useful.

We also always recommend that new consumers who are just getting started in their mattress shopping review our Mattress Shopping Tutorial .

If you are going to test mattresses locally, I would try to locate a quality mattress outlet in your area that may have split configurations available for testing.

If you pick a split configuration, you can get the support and comfort each of you prefers. A number of our Trusted Members offer split configurations. Also, they are extremely knowledgable and compete with the best in the industry. If you present them with your sleeping specs, comfort/support needs, etc. they will be able to help you choose the best fit both product and ILD wise...whether you choose a split configuration or not.

Off the top of my head, I would suggest exploring options with the following...

Arizona Premium
Sleep EZ
FloBeds
Latex Mattress Factory
Nest Bedding

I hope this helps you as you move forward.

NikkiTMU
17 Apr 2022 15:14
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One thing that I wonder about is the lack of tufting with most latex mattresses. Is there any slippage? I would also like a more luxurious feel rather than just feeling like I am sleeping on a block of foam. Are there pillow tops in latex? What is your opinion of the Arizona Premium mattress here: www.mattresses.net/1-selling-latex-mattress--adjustable-ultra-plush.html
I believe this is one of you trusted companies.

Thanks for the help.


Latex is very grippy so there is essentially no slippage at all between layers in use.

Considering your weight I would be more inclined to build the bed using 3” layers which allow you alot more customization than the one you linked to. I would also suggest using dunlop in the lower layers (at least on the side with more weight) to maximize support then use talalay on the upper layer for comfort. The other side could be all talalay or a similar combo of dunlop talalay based on your partner’s preferences.
17 Apr 2022 09:31
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Thank you for your quick response. That is very interesting about the hybrid latex option for fat people. I’m glad I asked here, because a mattress company told me that the coils would actually increase durability. So, I will be looking for a latex option.

One thing that I wonder about is the lack of tufting with most latex mattresses. Is there any slippage? I would also like a more luxurious feel rather than just feeling like I am sleeping on a block of foam. Are there pillow tops in latex? What is your opinion of the Arizona Premium mattress here: www.mattresses.net/1-selling-latex-mattress--adjustable-ultra-plush.html
I believe this is one of you trusted companies.

Thanks for the help.
15 Apr 2022 22:21
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Hi JMD5.

. Both of us really like the feel of springs with a good comfort layer to conform to curves/relieve pressure. My husband just wants to buy The Fairmont Bed (sold by Fairmont Hotels, made by Sealy), but I'm not convinced it will last long and even when I asked for specific info on material, it wasn't enough detail.

Your intuition serves you well. “Hotel mattresses” tend to be lower quality and value than the consumer mattresses made by the same manufacturer in the same price range and more basic versions of the retail products that many mattress companies offer (which isn’t a good thing). One of the "secrets" to many hotel mattresses is that they usually use a bedding package that includes a mattress pad or topper that is a big part of how the mattress feels and can also add to the durability of the mattress (replacing a mattress pad or topper can be less costly than replacing a whole mattress because a mattress or sleeping system will usually soften or break down from the top-down). In many cases, the more subjective short-term experience of sleeping at a hotel is an improvement over the mattress that people sleep on regularly and this often "translates" into the perception that hotel mattresses are better than they are. They are a frequent source of buyer's remorse. They tend to be firmer products using softer “top-of-bed” materials to create extra plushness. There’s more good information about hotel mattresses in post #3 here .

. I was considering trying the Ghostbed Flex (what they recommended as well), but I know the foam is 4lb, and what I've read here is >5lb is recommended for our size.

I agree that for your BMI I would not consider any mattress with more than one inch or so of lower than 5lbs/cuft density.

. I've also considered trying to find a good solid innerspring and get a separate topper that we can change out as needed... But I haven't seen just an innerspring anywhere (they all seem to have pillowtop) and I'm not sure about which manufactures would have strong coils for extra weight. Any recommendations there?
Then of course we'd need to find a topper we like...

This sounds like a good plan but I’d recommend doing this under the guidance of a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer or retailer.

Below is a listing of Canadian and US manufacturers/retailers who are trusted member manufacturers/ retailers of the TMU that offer DIY mattresses and ship across Canada who you may wish to consider. They are very seasoned in providing good guidance over the phone and fitting their customers with a suitable product in terms of comfort/support needs. You may want to consider giving a call to expert trusted member MFC , I know that @Mario would be happy to help with any questions you may have of their products.
Arizona Premium Mattress : Phoenix AZ-based manufacturer offers hybrid and latex mattresses, latex mattress toppers, via standard UPS ground shipping to Canada including Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and more.
CBH Wood Furniture: Canadian manufacturer of All-Natural beds. Would be a good lead if you are considering an all-latex bed.
Dormio : Canadian Manufacturer specializing in organic/natural latex mattresses with options that fit all budget ranges.
MFC : Canadian online retailer with a very good selection of latex mattresses and hybrids
You can also browse our TMU Trusted Members as there are some US-based companies that provide products to the Canadian market but you'd need to call and check
While not a member you may want to try SnugSleep : which has a factory and showroom in North Vancouver, Canada carrying natural latex mattress products.

. Neither of us have tried latex, but I think we need to. I'll have to figure out if there are any retailers locally that have a showroom with latex options. It looks like Costco has a Sealy Posturpedic mattress with latex - I know, stay away from Sealy... But Costco is also quite tempting because the customer service is so fabulous.

While customer service and easy returns are quite “tempting” this 14” mattress is an all-foam combo with only a 2” maximum of latex. The remainder of 12” foams within the mattress will have an effect on how the mattress will feel to you and the durability of the mattress and how long you’ll sleep well on it. Additionally, all of the layers of foam work together in a completed mattress and it would be difficult to tell how “latex” will feel to you. Latex is a good and durable material but you’d still need to find the mattress specifications you need to know to compare them to the mattress durability guidelines here for your specific BMIs.

I came across a few references including this one which shows Brighthaven which is almost identical to Oak
(13 ¾ “) Sealy Posturepedic Natural Origins Oak Crest ~ Foam Combo (Tight Top)
Support ~ 8” Polyurethane (1.45 lbs/cuft)
Comfort ~ “Targeted ComfortSense Memory Foam - 2.5 LB + 2" BioGel Latex - 3.75 LB + 3 1/2" Gel HDM - 1.35 LB” according to National Mattress as shown in the screenshot below.
Cover ~ Bamboo infused organic cotton ¬+ Silk & Wool fiber


Even with Costco’s easy returns, the best you’ll probably accomplish is to buy yourself more time while searching for a quality mattress that meets your needs and preferences.

Hopefully, you find some of these resources useful.
Phoenix
11 Apr 2022 12:33
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Jond.

It does sound like a special DIY leaning project. You may wish to speak to Ken Hightower at Arizona Premium Mattress . He's a DIY guru who can help talk you through some options in terms of your specific needs/preferences and figuring out how to do this with natural materials.

NikkiTMU
22 Mar 2022 21:57
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Hi burgernation, and welcome (back) to The Mattress Underground :)

Hello there! Last year I used TMU to find a mattress for myself. I tried several different ones and landed on the SleepEZ flippable hybrid. I have some back problems and have been satisfied with the mattress so far. It's great to be able to flip it when needed

Glad to hear you have enjoyed your SleepEZ Select Hybrid mattress. This bed has 5” of 100% latex and a pocket coil 8” base with edge support. As you have found, the ability to flip it over is beneficial as it distributes the wear on the mattress more evenly, gives the side at the bottom a chance to "rest" and prevents it from breaking down in the areas of most wear that tends to cause impressions or ‘divots’, especially for higher weight ranges sleepers. Latex is also a very durable material and should last for years. You’ve probably seen the mattress shopping guidelines and the accompanying mattress durability guidelines here .

…I am wanting to get a queen mattress for the guest room. I've read the forums... and reread the forums... and can't make any headway. I kind of want to have something different but of equal quality, so if I ever want to switch it up I'm content with either mattress. ... // ... I get 30% off at Ghostbed but am not sure that's what I'm wanting. It will be used occasionally, but I need something sturdy that won't sag even with higher weight ranges. Open to anything, I just don't have much of a direction. I'd like to keep price around $1,000 or so, but that's a rough estimate. Thanks for any suggestions!

As you have some back problems - and want the guest room mattress to be both comfortable for you when you want to ‘switch it up’, but also be suitable for (occasional) higher-weight sleepers, I'd stick to a mattress similar to SleepEZ that you verified that works for you. You can have a quick look at the trusted members as you'll pay less for better quality materials than you would in the mainstream industry, which uses a great deal of their budget for marketing instead of product quality. Successful mattress shopping comes down to selections based on quality from companies that are fully disclosing the materials and components used in their mattresses.

GhostBed is a good choice and while it is a little higher than your budget, the GhostBed Natural seems to meet all your other criteria. It has a Dunlop base layer and Talalay comfort layer with pocketed coils core with edge support.
In the same vein, the Trusted member Nest Bedding has a Latex Hybrid similar in construction to yours The Owl Latex Hybrid . This one is a little higher budget range-wise, but you may want to consider it for the same reasons.
Arizona Premium Mattress Company has the Queen Eco Sleep Hybrid mattress which is within your budget, and the Latex Mattress Factory has the Luxerion Hybrid mattress which is also within your price range. Since it’s for a guest room you also may want to consider a bed made with HD Polyfoam as a density of 1.8lbs/cuft or higher for normal weight, or 2 lbs/cuft for higher weight would be durable while reducing the price to fit your budget. Typically a guest room mattress is used occasionally, so between that and choosing a bed with a latex comfort layer, such a mattress should last long even if used by higher weight range individuals.

Any mattress you choose is, of course a personal choice specific to you and your PPP(Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). While I can’t say if any particular mattress would suit your personal needs and preferences we can make comments on any potential mattress you are looking into.

I hope that gives you a few good ideas to move your search forward.
Basilio
22 Mar 2022 13:43
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Hi dizzy.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Thanks for sharing your sleep details! It sounds like you have slightly different needs which may make a split configuration an interesting option for you.

We always recommend that new consumers who are just getting started in their mattress shopping review our Mattress Shopping Tutorial as well as the ever important Mattress Durability Guidelines.

If you pick a split configuration, you can get the support and comfort each of you prefers. A number of our Trusted Members offer split configurations. Also, they are extremely knowledgable and compete with the best in the industry. If you present them with your sleeping specs, comfort/support needs, etc. they will be able to help you choose the best fit both product and ILD wise...whether you choose. a split configuration or not.

Off the top of my head, I would suggest exploring options with the following... (I'm pretty sure all of the split configurations are also all-latex).

Arizona Premium
Sleep EZ
FloBeds
Latex Mattress Factory
Nest Bedding

I hope this helps you as you move forward.

NikkiTMU
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