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11 Sep 2022 07:52
  • datrumole
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix


thanks Phoenix, stellar post as always

one place i looked at initially and for some reason just completely missed was Brooklyn Bedding under their 'mattresstopper.com/' site offering both the 2.5 and 4lb weights

seems like tempurpedic had a killer topper in their supreme, but it's been reformulated and phase out, many suspect its closer to a 3lb foam these days compared to the high densities tempurpedic was known for

i guess since there can be such a variety of variance, the only thing left to do is order up and see what the back agrees with. plan to grab both 2" and 3" just in case as i'm curious to the effect the thickness has on it as i've been able to test that out with latex. the key for me here is to get back to being able to be flat with such varying weights across my body
09 Sep 2022 22:35
  • phoenix
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Hi datrumole,

It’s worth mentioning that foam costs in the industry, in general, are steadily increasing and make buying larger stocks of material increasingly difficult thus many retailers/manufacturers are scaling down and carrying just the “basic necessities” avoiding keeping a more diverse inventory of specialty foams and products in their inventory. Some foams and products, you could find two months ago are not available any longer or are replaced by different types, specifications, or offered at steeper prices.
This said as you go through narrowing down a vendor, I’d keep in mind that you may need higher density memory foam depending on your BMI, mattress thickness, and the foam’s application within a finished mattress (top comfort and cradling, or additional sink and comfort under an existing top layer of preference, etc)

www.foambymail.com/ and www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/memorytopper.html#Memory4 - they seem to carry essentially all the same products

You are correct that Foam By Mail is also known as Foam Factory see the recent posts 8-10 here .: www.foambymail.com/memory-foam-toppers.html they have 3, 4, and 5 lbs/culft Memory Foam selection and I could also find them on the CertiPUR certified list of participating companies .

www.tempurpedic.com/other-products/s/mattress-topper/ - seem to be what is in their mattress? not sure what density they are

As you are aiming for 2” in thickness I would not trust anything for which you do not know the foam density.

www.okmattress.com/other-products/memory-foam - they are the only vendor I saw on the preferred list who sell memory foam toppers, had to call to get prices, but they sell 4lb memory foam for a reasonable price

Good find! Both on quality and value. I’d stick with them if you are in the normal BMI ranges for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning of my response.

Another supplier Foam Source in Boulder CO has Memory Foam available. I called and spoke with Rhonda (the owner) about their Custom Foam orders . The existing MF at the moment they have only 3.5 lbs/cuft. She explained that what they have in stock changes over time and they offer different densities at different times. I asked why they have only one type of Memory Foam available for their custom foam ordering listing. She mentioned that the steep increase in price makes it prohibitive to order stock to keep on hand for eventual consumer purchase. I am guessing that this is the case with many other foam retailers/mattress manufacturers that sell DIY components.

i stumbled upon 'serene foam' as well: www.allysonbrookehome.com/serene-foam-mattress-topper/ not too sure what that is all about. claims to be the best of memory foam without the heat

Good quality but Serene is one of the new generation high-performance polyurethane foams produced by Carpenter (see other foams Carpenter offers here . Serene does not have any of the viscous properties of memory foam (it is not a memory foam and It is also not a latex foam). Carpenter introduced Serene in 2015 and re-launched it in 2016. It is generally a higher density (2.5 lbs as an example) and it is CertiPUR-US certified. This generally would be a good quality and durable plush material. However, it is not technically a high-resilience foam, as that would require a 2.5 density or above, along with a compression modulus of 2.4 or above.

While not a trusted member, Foam Order also has a variety of memory foam densities and thicknesses available. You may want to call and ask them where are sourcing their foam from to make sure that the foam did not stay in transit or storage for longer than normal periods of time.
Foamite in Canada also has 45 grades of foam that you may want to have a look at. (see attachment)

In terms of other producers and foam suppliers, you can always look into some directory listings to identify a few and email or make a few phone calls to try to find out who they supply to and follow it up from there.
• CertiPUR has a list of certified Foam Producers that you can look through.
• IQS Directory (industrial Quick search of manufacturer directory) provides an extensive list of foam fabricating companies and suppliers . ~ www.iqsdirectory.com directory
Foam Fabricating

Wisconsin Foam Products is also a top producer of flexible foam solutions for the bedding industry among many others. .
FXI’s Memory Foams and PU foams certainly skyrocketed with a substantial ripple effect among their manufacturer customer base but you can try to see if they’d give you a few companies that they supply with memory foam.

Let us know if you find additional sources worth mentioning
Phoenix
19 Jan 2021 08:58
  • Marshmallowforme
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Toni,
If you go to foamsource.com in Boulder CO pay special attention to the odor in the store. For us the smell never went away over the 13 yrs we owned their 8" Nu-Lex Natural Talalay latex mattress. It got worse if it was humid out. Sometimes it was less and you couldn't smell it as much but it never went away. A couple of years in we tried to get them to honor the warranty on sagging but the problem was to the eye there was no sagging. However you could feel it if you layed on it. Rotating and flipping a king size mattress is no small feat so maybe we didn't do that enough. Eventually the foam breaks down as it hardens. We called them and they said after 10 yrs you should expect to replace it as the foam gets hard and crumbly. When we threw it out it still stunk.
18 Jan 2021 16:05
This Forum has been so valuable. Every one of your responses to my posting was useful. From your suggestions I assembled a good list of options for the low profile, high quality latex mattress I need. I was starting to compare them - a table of pros and cons - when I realized that one of the suggestions by ebs (Emily), foamsource.com, has a retail outlet 50 miles from my home. What a relief - a place where I can see, touch, and ask all my questions. I am an experienced online shopper but I was still feeling overwhelmed. Now my husband and I have an appointment in a few weeks with Boulder Comforts, the retail store for foamsource,com, and I am hoping to make a decision and order at that time. So this might be my last posting and I wanted to take the opportunity to thank all of you for excellent help. I could not have done it without you.

Optimistic and relieved!
Toni
13 Jan 2021 10:12
  • ebs
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It looks like you've got some good options to look into. Here are a few more that I'm aware of:

Cozy Pure offers a 7" organic latex mattress:
www.cozypure.com/latex-mattresses/organic-latex-mattresses/7-organic-mattress-made-with-100-organic-zoned-latex

Sleep EZ offers a 7" organic latex mattress:
sleepez.com/products/organic-latex-mattress

Sleep EZ also offers a non-organic natural 7" latex mattress :
sleepez.com/products/natural-latex-mattress/

Foam Source offers natural latex mattresses in both 6" & 8" heights (it looks like they aren't including the height added by the encasement)
foamsource.com/shop/Latex-Mattress

With any of the options you're looking at, you may want to have a convo with the manufacturer about your 8" height restriction. I have the feeling that when some companies advertise that a mattress is a certain height, there's some fudge room there, and it'd be a shame to wind up with a mattress that's half an inch higher than what you need.

The DIY route is also an option. For instance, you could order an 8" zippered mattress encasement and whatever type of latex or foam you wanted, and adjust the quality / features of the mattress components to your specifications.

Best of luck!
Emily
25 Nov 2020 00:18
  • phoenix
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Hi DuckytheLoon.

Thanks for your update. Sorry to hear your shoulder pain has not diminished during the adjustment period, and that your husband is now also waking up sore.

We did not remove the thin, stretchy sheet and protector because this would have had us sleeping on the bare latex, and if we cannot use any bedding, then this setup would obviously not be working out.


I was recommending that you remove the 2-bottom layer zip-off encasement as this can be contributing to creating a virtual additional firmness because every layer and component in a mattress can affect the feel and performance of every other layer and the mattress "as a whole”... Have you tried removing it? You can open the top panel and letting it hang on one side of the mattress to see if it makes any difference.

So, I'm still thinking that I may need a memory foam topper… I had hoped that I could add some thickness of memory foam to the overall top and was asking if 4" was too much. Evidently, it would. Would 2" be too much? Or do you think I really would be more comfortable if I got thicker memory foam and swapped out the Talalay topper for it, thus placing the memory foam directly on the medium ILD latex? My concern was that with my particular orthopedic issues (as detailed in my first post), taking the Talalay extra-soft out would be removing what acts as a transitional layer for me and I would then be sinking through the memory foam comfort layer into a too-hard support layer. I know it might be too much comfort layer for most people, but given how what should have worked is still too firm…is there a possibility that this would be effective? I know that no one can predict what might work for me, but I hope eventually to provide enough data per what I have tried to form better-educated guesses.


From what I understand these are the options you’ve been considering.
1. 4" memory foam topper + 3" x 3 latex set up (the option I would least advise)
2. 2" memory foam topper + 3" x 3 latex set up
3. Using 3" - 4" of memory foam in place of the 1" top latex + 2” latex setup

With your pressure point sensitivity, I would make sure that you are aware of some of the Memory Foam (MF)weaknesses . With MF what starts as good alignment and pressure relief at the beginning of the night can easily become compromised later in the night with body heat and pressure … until it becomes much softer and the feel is very different.

#1 You are correct that placing the 4" MF topper would be very risky in terms of proper support and alignment and most likely lead to additional back pains and more sinking in and overheating. This may also mean that with thicker layers there is little support for the lumbar area which does not come in firm contact with the support layers and will not be held up well by a foam that "melts" under pressure.
#2 A MF 2" topper can have much better chances of providing you with the pressure point relief you need without compromising your spinal alignment. Generally, you’d want to use the least amount of memory foam that is suitable for the pressure relief you need and never buy any memory foam which is under 4 lbs.
#3 A thicker memory foam replacing the comfort layer entirely can be a reasonable option and ultimately can give you a few extra options to experiment with. I’d make sure to get a foam that is at least 4lbs density (ideally 5lbs) for durability reasons. You both are fairly light individuals and while it is hard to know for sure, it may be that you’ll not bottom out to the medium firmness latex below to trigger your pressure points. The exact layer thickness that you would need is again difficult to predict. Your side is Talalay medium which is softer than a Dunlop medium, which helps. The best ILD in the support layer for any individual depends on the thickness and quality of the memory foam above it, the height/weight and weight distribution of the person, and the normal sleeping positions. Typically the lowest ILD that would be used in a support layer would be about 28 and it is often (and often should be) higher. But this means that you could try for a few nights your husband's medium Dunlop split layer as a base layer to see if that improves things for you.

But what brand of memory foam, etc.? There's so much overpriced, substandard stuff out there, it makes my head swim... I would love to find a trusted source (that delivers to the USA) that has a decent option in the needed criteria…durable, soft, and appropriate thickness, at the very least.


One that quickly comes to mind is Foam Source has a 5lbs density Aerus memory foam is made by Foamex that can be cut in any size you need.

Another forum/expert you may wish to interact with is Memory Foam Comfort . They're based in Canada, but they are plugged into the world of memory foam and based on their years of experience in the mattress industry and may have some leads for you with regards to quality foam options.

Please do keep us posted on your progress moving forward!

Phoenix
31 Aug 2020 16:58
  • Marshmallowforme
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We had the 8" Nu-Lex.
foamsource.com/shop/Latex-Mattress/Nu-Lex-8-Inch

It comes with a wool batting case that is covered in knit cotton. We unzipped the top, kept the bottom and sides, put both into a 4 sided bed bug cover (to hold them all together) and then put a Denali Down Under wool mattress pad on top. It made the mattress much softer than it was with the wool batting pad that came with the mattress.
denalihome.com/products/denali-supreme-wool-mattress-pad

We bought the mattress pad a long time ago (maybe 2003) and at that time it had a full bed skirt instead of straps. We washed it many times (a couple of times a year) and it held up really well. I still have it even though with this mattress purchase we moved to two twinXL beds due to having gotten adjustable bases. It is a king size so not being used but it is too good to just throw out so it sits in my linen closet.
01 Nov 2018 00:26
  • Albert
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So I read that ILD is actually only used for 'blended' mattresses, and 100% natural will only use 'density'. I saw one mattress that said it was 55 kg/m3, though it turned out to be blended latex.... is it possible to find natural Talalay near 55 kg/m3 (or as low as possible, and ideally as cheap as possible). I'm looking everywhere, and finding low-density Dunlop, low density blends, but no low-density Talalay. I've been sleeping on a hard mattress on top of a blanket to try and soften it, but it's giving me a sore neck, so I want to solve this as fast as possible, but I really want something that's gonna help me sleep... not a compromise (otherwise I'll just get this local 20% latex with cooling beads).


I found this bamboo sheet set (I'm hoping it's really bamboo), it's expensive enough, so hopefully I can just put this over the latex and not need a fiber layer for extra-softness?

spim.ru/shop/postel/bamboo/Coffee_Fresh_36943_item/1_5_bed/

I emailed cozypure, and they said they can't give a specific 'density' because of the shape of their mattress. I like the shape (I think it'll make it softer) and it's a lower price than FoamSource or SpeelLikeaBear.... but both of them give me density info so I can choose lowest density. Shipping to Russia will cost me about $150, so returns aren't possible here.

Oh, re-reading the email, they said the OmniTopper is D65, which I guess means 65kg/m3. Combined with the shape I'm thinking this is as soft and breathable as it gets? So I'll just throw a bamboo-sheet over it for protection/coolness? I think 2" is enough (even with the shape) because I'm so light? If not, I could just layer some wool-quilted blankets over it?

www.cozypure.com/mattress-pads-and-toppers/omni-sculpted-latex-topper
foamsource.com/shop/Latex-Mattress-Topper/Natural-Talalay
sleeplikeabear.com/collections/talalay-latex-mattress-toppers/products/2-inch-100-percent-pure-all-natural-talalay-latex-rubber-only-mattress-toppers?variant=12332462506084
25 Mar 2017 12:32
  • phoenix
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Hi Minaldo,

Thanks for the reply. I am looking for a mattress with the Oeko certification. Which is why Habitat has some appeal.

All latex you will likely encounter will have some sort of a safety certification, such as Oeko-Tex, Eco Institut, Greenguard Gold or Cradle to Cradle. This is different from an “organic natural mattress”, which you mentioned in your earlier post. Post #2 here has more information about safety certifications and there is more about some of the differences between organic and safety certifications in post #2 here and there are also some comments in post #42 here that can help you decide whether an organic certification is important to you for environmental, social, or personal reasons or whether a "safety" certification is enough. And Oeko-Tex doesn’t certify the completed mattress – it is only a certification for the specific componentry that has passed certification that may be used within a mattress. Both the synthetic latex and the natural latex foam you would sample would be inert and render no harmful outgassing characteristics.

Several of the "cheaper" mattresses you suggested use poly foam, i.e., synthetic latex in their mattress cores, which are manufactured with petroleum by products that will off gas.

Polyfoam is not synthetic latex.Both synthetic latex and natural latex are equally "rubber" or "latex" except natural latex is primarily isoprene rubber that comes from a tree (which can also be synthesized) and synthetic latex in the case of latex mattresses is made from Styrene Butadiene rubber (or SBR). Both natural and synthetic rubber are stable and inert materials when they are cured. Polyfoam, in it's simplest form, is a combination of an isocyanate, polyol and water, and would be considered more of a petrochemical item.

It seems as if you are selectively misrepresenting the offerings of the brands I listed for you, looking for the very few select models that might have polyfoam in them (which is not at all what you had asked about nor what I was directing you to) to advance what appears to be more like a promotional agenda, versus looking at items that actually offer value that are similar to what you were originally inquiring to assist you in your search. The timing seems somehow curious to me, combined with recent personal solicitous emails I’ve received from one of the brands you’ve mentioned, so for the sake of transparency and clarity I would appreciate it if you could please confirm that you don't have any direct or indirect relationship to Plushbeds or Habitat (see the forum rules here ).

For me to be clearer and to assist you (or others reading through this thread), and as you stated above for mattresses with at least Oeko-Tex certification containing all latex, here are just a few options from the brief list I provided in my previous reply:
www.sleepez.com/natural-latex-mattress-models.html Configurable latex models, natural Dunlop or blended Talalay.
www.sleepez.com/organic-latex-mattress-models.html Configurable latex models, natural Dunlop or Natural Talalay.
8” Special using natural Talalay and natural Dunlop. Also toppers for DIY combinations.
Blended and natural Talalay latex toppers for DIY combinations.
www.mattresses.net/latex-mattresses-all-natural---talalay-latex-bed.html Various Talalay and Dunlop offerings in both finished and component systems, as well as foam layers for DIY combinations.
www.dreamfoambedding.com/product/ultimate-dreams-total-latex-mattress/ Natural Dunlop core with blended Talalay. This latex mattress does have a small amount of polyfoam in the quilt.
sleeponlatex.com/ Finished Natural Dunlop mattresses and toppers.
latexmattressfactory.com/products/naturale-latex-mattress Natural Dunlop latex mattress and toppers.
spindlemattress.com/spindle-natural-latex-mattress/ Natural Dunlop configurable mattress.
www.flexuscomfort.com/natural-latex-mattress-natural-comfort.html Natural Dunlop and Natural Talalay configurable options.
www.foamsweetfoam.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=196 Configurable Natural Dunlop systems.
rockymountainmattress.com/natural-latex-products/ Natural Dunlop and Natural Talalay mattress offerings, as well as toppers.
sleepingorganic.com/product/latex-mattress/ Natural Dunlop and Natural Talalay.
www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50272121/ Blended Dunlop mattress.
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There are several good sources for latex layer and/or full cores. My reference points are a few of the members of this site ...
www.mattresses.net/diylamaco.html Talalay and Dunlop (incl. slow response Dunlop)
www.sleepez.com/ Talalay and Dunlop
rockymountainmattress.com/ Dunlop
www.flexuscomfort.com/ Talalay
mattresstopper.com/ (Brooklyn Bedding) Talalay
www.matt-to-go.com/ Pure Talalay Bliss Talalay latex toppers
sleeponlatex.com/ Dunlop
latexmattressfactory.com/ Dunlop
en.memoryfoamcomfort.ca/ Organic Dunlop (Canada)
www.tmasc.ca/store/sfnt.html Talalay and Dunlop (Canada)

These include a wide range of Talalay and Dunlop layers of several types and thicknesses and are all recommended members of this site which means that I believe they have among the best quality and value in the country. Some other good sources include ...
www.kttenterprises.com/index.html . Any size, thickness, or ILD for Talalay Global Talalay and well priced per board foot.
sleeplikeabear.com/ Has any size and thickness and ILD of talalay latex made by Talalay Global.
www.foamorder.com/ Also sells Talalay and Dunlop and their Dunlop can be ordered in 6" cores in a variety of 5 firmness levels. Also check their clearance items.
tmu.best/ckxwt/ Dunlop 3" layers
stores.ebay.com/mattresses247 Blended Talalay and 100% natural Dunlop (including zoned Dunlop cores)
www.ebay.com/usr/latextoppers Sells latex cores and toppers including organic Dunlop from Latexco that are accurately listed.
www.ebay.com/str/organicandmore Natural and organic Dunlop.
lakemattressandfurniture.com/bedding/toppers/ Dunlop
www.foamsource.com/shop/Latex-Mattress Natural Dunlop and Natural Talalay latex.

A natural plant based latex is what I'm looking for, with no synthetic foam or petroluem by products. I think Habitat and Plushbeds both fit the plant based latex category, with no synthetic materials.

I know it can be confusing, with all of the terms used within the industry, but all latex foam (including 100% natural Dunlop and Talalay and organic latex) uses chemicals to manufacture the latex (see post #18 here ) but the manufacturers don't release the specifics of their compounding formulas, which is a closely guarded secret.

I hope all of this information is helpful for you - I know it can be confusing. If you decide to purchase from the brands you were previously considering, there’s certainly nothing wrong with the componentry they use, but in response to your original question there really are quite a few other options out there should you wish to explore them.

Good luck in your search!

Phoenix
25 Mar 2017 06:17
  • Minaldo
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Thanks for the reply. I am looking for a mattress with the Oeko certification. Which is why Habitat has some appeal.
www.foamsource.com/information/Organic-Latex-Mattresses-and-Oeko-Tex-Certification

Several of the "cheaper" mattresses you suggested use poly foam, i.e., synthetic latex in their mattress cores, which are manufactured with petroleum by products that will off gas.

A natural plant based latex is what I'm looking for, with no synthetic foam or petroluem by products. I think Habitat and Plushbeds both fit the plant based latex category, with no synthetic materials.
05 Jan 2017 12:39
  • phoenix
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Hi sajurcaju,

I’m sorry you’re having difficulty getting replies to your questions. Phone calls are always the best way to get the fastest response, but I see you’re having some difficulty getting responses form a few of those. All I can think of is that some of these companies may be on extended leave or short-staffed still for the holiday period. I’ll see if I can find out anything for you and will post back if I do find something out for you.

Foamorder.com
"we believe the ILD is 14" Not reassuring to an engineer.

Because of the difficulty in standardizing testing for memory foam, not every vendor may have ILDs for their memory foam or have them provided to them. The density would of course be more relevant. And most important would be what we discussed previously, finding a more “traditional” version in the density matching yours without the faster recovery and gel/phase change additives.

foamforyou (Foam N' More) looks good on their web page, but has an uncertain rep here

Yes, I think you’re referring to post #5 here .

Here are a few others I found who sell memory foam in pieces after a brief search if you’d want to contact them and see if they have anything that might work for you.

www.house-of-foam.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=54_1_35
www.foamsource.com/shop/Memory-Foam
www.foamportlandor.com/cut-to-size-foam/

Phoenix
25 Aug 2016 08:49
  • MountainSufi
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I've done a boatload of research to replace our old memory foam mattress from foamsource.com (no longer made), and Sedona Sleep seems like a very good choice given the replaceable topper.
I do have some misgivings:
1) Lack of online reviews. Every other brand has a slew of reviews somewhere. When it gets into thousands of reviews, you can likely trust them. The only reviews I can find are on the company website, relayed by themselves.
2) How long has this company been in business?
3) Given their confidence in quality of product, why doesn't their warranty match the longest in the industry?
4) Following the above question, customers must pay return shipping cost. This is odd, as every other manufacturer I've seriously considered gives a 100 day trial without return shipping cost.
5) I'm not much of a stickler, but their website could use a good proofreader to instill a bit more confidence.

I've written this and will call Sedona Sleep with these questions. I'll post this topic with their response and my impressions after this call.

After a phone call gave me info I needed I will order a mattress from them.
1&2) They've only been making the Sedona Sleep mattress 6 months. This accounts for lack of reviews. I like the company and philosophy enuff to make the leap of faith and buy.
3&4) I forgot to ask about this. He did tell me he estimated it would cost $40-$50 to send the separate topper back for a different firmness and replacement.
5) I didn't suggest having a proofreader tune up their website.
6) Additional info: He felt rotating the mattress every 6 months wouldn't do much to prolong the life of a foam mattress. The topper is high quality talalay latex foam. Unique to this company, half will be softer for my GF and the side will be firmer for me. Contrary to what other manufacturers say, "One firmness does not fit all!
01 Jun 2016 10:16
  • phoenix
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Hi stuuke,

The "regular price" of a mattress isn't a reliable way to assess the "value" of a mattress purchase or whether you are getting a "deal" because if the regular price is the MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price) it's generally highly inflated and has little to do with what the mattress usually sells for and is generally more about marketing than anything else. Even that is assuming that the mattress would be worth buying at any price because I would avoid any mattress that uses lower quality or "unknown" materials regardless of the price.

The information in post #15 here about price vs "value" would also be well worth reading.

I thought you were buying 2 mattresses rather than 3 but regardless of how many mattresses you are purchasing the only way to assess whether you are getting a "deal" or not would be to compare them to the other finalists you are considering based on their suitability, their durability, and on all the other parts of your personal value equation that are important to you (including the price of course).

Phoenix
16 Jan 2016 12:01
  • DaveC
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Yeah, didn't know Innomax existed! There are a lot of choices, I just missed that one....

Sorry for the slow reply, nothing more to report.... the new mattress/topper are working out really well!

Check Phoenix's list of wool toppers, the Suite Sleep one is pretty similar to the other higher priced ones if not the exact same thing, I wouldn't be without one after having one!
07 Jan 2016 14:52
  • gyoung
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hey Dave
I'm guessing that you're in the Denver metro area - I printed out the list of local retailers from Phoenix it was more than what I had expected, didn't realize that there's a lot of independent mattress sellers. I've narrowed my list of prospects down to Innomax (any reason why you didn't look at them?) Sleepnation (I'll remember your experience + I've already have a mattress protector- I';; check out the wool topper that sounds really interesting) and Verlo. (I think they'll be to expensive Boulder an all LOL) So far, I've checked out their websites & called them to get a general price range of a firm/cushion firm King innerspring hybrid before going in to check out the mattresses. I hope to keep my all in cost at/below $2K so I hope to fine the perfect mattress that meets the PPP :) I'm glad I read your thread & found this forum loaded with great information. I agree that shopping for a mattress is much like buying a car!
Thanks!
Georgia
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