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19 Sep 2021 08:11
  • StinkyFace
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I could use some help. I am 5'2" 125lbs side sleeper with circulation issues and I sleep hot. Spouse is 6'1" 200 lbs side sleeper with shoulder pain.

We are sleeping on Denver Mattress Telluride Plush latex hybrid. This is our second mattress from Denver Mattress in 1.5 years because the first one was way too hard. Our old mattress was a pillow top with springs, which I loved but sagged after 6 years. We have had the Telluride for over a year and he tosses and turns, while my hands fall asleep. Mattress toppers make it tollerable, but when he rolls over I am getting a ton of motion transfer so I wake up.

I changed frames to see if that will help and removed the box spring. Nothing changed the outcome of me sleeping on the couch 60% of the week.

I do well on hotel beds and pillow top mattresses. I cannot sleep on a firm mattress because my hands and feet fall asleep. My husband's shoulder bothers him on a firm mattress although he says he likes a harder mattress than me.

For all intents and purposes our mattress seems like it should provide the softness and support we need. Here is the description of the Telluride mattress that I found online:

Engineered Stretch Knit Zippered Cover
Stretch FR Sock
Comfort Layers:
1.5" 2.5lb Serene Comfort Foam
3” GOLS Certified Organic Latex 14 ILD
1 Flex Net Insulator
Support System:
The B.O.S.S. (Balanced Orthopedic Sleep System)
Coil Density: 1147* Alternating Checkerboard
Individually Wrapped Coils
15.5 Gauge Tempered Steel
3" 1.8lb Foam Base with Engineered Articulating Cuts

I have gone through a bazillion different mattress company sites. Read info on Reddit and Mattress Underground and feel like I have a good working knowledge of options. The challenge is that I don't want to end up with the same issues I have today.

As far as I can tell I have three options:

1. Denver Mattress will give me $1k toward a new mattress, but I am not so keen on going through them. We did sit on a soft TempurPedic and it was pretty nice, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure they are worth it. If I was to buy a mattress from them I think this would be it.

2. I am looking at building a mattress from APM. For me it would be (bottom to top) latex Firm/soft/soft and husband is firm/medium/medium. All this with some kind of topper. I think Dunlap would be better all around to reduce motion transfer, but if folks have a better idea on this let me know?

3. Buy a latex mattress: bellaseraorganicmattress.com/organic-mattress.html. Dunlap is the only option. I would use the same layering setup. It is similar to APM in that we can customize the layers and sides. Also I like this option because we have a local company selling these mattresses who will help us trade out layers to get to the right bed for us. However this is pricey.

I am so unsure of what to do. I think option number 3 is best but could use advice on whether you think this is a reputable mattress company? If any of these options will be soft enough not to create issues but not too soft as to create back problems for us? For my husband's side do you think this is too firm? how do we greatly reduce motion transfer? Any best practices for people with big pressure points like myself and my husband?
16 Dec 2016 14:32
  • phoenix
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Hi JaywawkWS6,

Thank you so much for the detailed and thorough reply.


You’re most welcome!

It is unfortunate that I wasn't able to try a talalay latex mattress. I did notice that I wasn't a fan of the tight stiff cover that was used on the Savvy Rest

.

While the cover does soften a bit over time, it is not nearly as elastic as the stretch-knits popular with many other brands. The stiffness of the cover, as it is the closest layer to your skin, can dramatically impact the feel of even Talalay latex.

I also tried a Bella Sera latex mattress with similar firmness/softness. I liked the cover better although it was very simple.


These mattress come in quite a few different configurations and they use Dunlop latex, and while the terms for “firm”, “medium” and “soft” will vary by mattress company to describe their layers, and of course the latex will vary by manufacturer, you certainly would have been in the “same range” of style of product and the covering used in the Bella Sera has more give to it than the one used by Savvy Rest.

I believe the UM Wisdom mattress used talalay and perhaps this was part of the reason I liked it so much. That and I did like the feeling of sinking in somewhat.


My thought is also that the upper layers of the Wisdom is Talalay, but I haven’t had time today to phone and confirm this for you. That, combined with the different foam configurations and the different cover, certainly dovetail with your response to the mattress and your thoughts on what you personally prefer.

I've looked over the members of this site and checked many of their websites. It's a daunting task going through all of them


It is a lot of information, but I would start by going through their web sites and look for a configuration similar to the one that you liked at Urban Mattress. If you think you’ve found something similar online, your next best step is a phone call with the manufacturer (as opposed to emails or an online chat) and explain to them what you tried and what you are trying to duplicate. This will give you the best opportunity in approximating the feel you liked. And sticking with Talalay, at least in the upper layers, is also a good thought.

I'm going to try some more mattresses in the Fort Collins, CO area


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Fort Collins, CO area which would include Windsor are listed in post #4 here .

Good luck!

Phoenix
16 Dec 2016 13:54
  • JayhawkWS6
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Thank you so much for the detailed and thorough reply. It is unfortunate that I wasn't able to try a talalay latex mattress. I did notice that I wasn't a fan of the tight stiff cover that was used on the Savvy Rest. I also tried a Bella Sera latex mattress with similar firmness/softness. I liked the cover better although it was very simple. I believe the UM Wisdom mattress used talalay and perhaps this was part of the reason I liked it so much. That and I did like the feeling of sinking in somewhat. I've looked over the members of this site and checked many of their websites. It's a daunting task going through all of them. I'm going to try some more mattresses in the Fort Collins, CO area and will probably phone Sleepez to see what options they might have when discussing the features I liked. I really want to make sure to find a mattress I like with excellent value/quality. Again thank you so much for the help!
31 Mar 2016 13:03
  • leeman
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Hi all,
Just joined this excellent forum after researching for what seems like weeks for a new mattress:

Since I'm a bit of a health nut I've decided a latex mattress is the way to go.

Looking specifically for:
1. All natural and/or organic 100% latex (certified)
2. All organic cotton/wool topper certified
3. No chemicals or fire retardants.

I'm a researcher and built a spreadsheet of 19 manufacturers/sellers of natural latex mattresses. I must confess I've never slept on a latex mattress so not sure what to expect. But based on hours of research I've narrowed my search to:
1. Nest Bedding Q3 (although I'm actually also considering the Alexander since it's received such rave reviews)
2. Flexus Comfort 10" Latex
3. Foam Sweet Foam (Urban Green) 10" Latex

I also looked at Bella Sera and Savvy Rest but really trying to keep the budget below $2,500 and they look to be a bit more expensive.

Can you offer your expertise as to experiences and recommendations with these mattresses? Any Pros (and Cons) would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks in advance!
Leland
13 Aug 2015 11:25
  • phoenix
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Hi suz111,

After doing a ton of research, mostly on this site, I have decided on a purchasing a latex mattress. I do not want to deal with the off gassing issues again. I drove down to Denver a few weeks ago and tried out a few latex mattresses at the Natural Sleep Store. I did not have much time though as I did not drive and the parking was not an ideal situation. The mattresses that felt the best to me were the Bella Sera Nove 3 S,M,F and M, M, F combos. However, neither of them felt just right. The one with the soft layer on top felt of course wonderful when I was on my side but not supportive enough when I was on my stomach. The one with the medium layer on top felt a little too firm when I was on my side. I should note though that I have been sleeping on a tiny blow up air mattress and my back was bothering me a little bit before I went into the store. The third combo that sort of was ok was the Sueno Suerte S,F combo.

I weigh about 110 and am in my 50's.. Not sure if age matters. I also need to purchase a bed frame. I am looking at platform beds with strong wood and slats no less than 3" apart as recommended. I am really over sleeping on the air mattress and need to get moving on purchasing a new bed/matteress as soon as possible.

I plan to purchase a queen size bed. One thought, although crazy, was to get to different combos for the 2 sides. Perhaps S, M, F and then M, M, F. I am leaning towards the 3 layers - 3" each with the 1" cover. Any suggestions on what might work best for a tiny framed, stomach/side sleeper (mostly on my stomach)?



Unfortunately it's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for someone else either for a mattress, a manufacturer/retailer, or a combination of materials or type of mattress because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or if you can't test a mattress in person then your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

There is more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of comfort and PPP in post #2 here that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for once you actually sleep on your mattress but when you can't test a mattress in person (or if you can and you are still uncertain) then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept well on and liked that they are familiar with, any special considerations you may have, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about helping you to "match" their specific mattress designs or firmness options to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or even to other mattresses that they are familiar with than anyone else so that in combination with your own personal testing you can make the "best possible" choice with the highest chance of success.

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

I weigh about 110 and am in my 50's.. Not sure if age matters. I also need to purchase a bed frame. I am looking at platform beds with strong wood and slats no less than 3" apart as recommended. I am really over sleeping on the air mattress and need to get moving on purchasing a new bed/matteress as soon as possible.


It sounds like you've seen this already (since you are familiar with the criteria for a suitable support system for a latex mattress) but just in case you haven't post #1 here has more information about foundations, bedframes, and platform beds and the different types of support systems that are generally the most suitable for different types of mattresses and includes some examples of each of them as well.

Because of my budget, I plan to purchase the mattress online. I after doing a lot of research and comparisons, I have narrowed it down to Flexus Comfort. The V Zone mattresses at Flo Beds was tempting but it is just a lot more money and I was fine with one type of layer when sleeping on my Tempurpedic bed. I realize that I may not find the right combo the first time, but am hoping I can to avoid the hassle of having to return a layer.

Also, if I did drive down to Denver again before ordering a mattress, any suggestions on places to try out?


As you probably know Both Flobeds and Flexus are members of this site which means that I think highly of both of them and I believe that they both compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency and like all the members here they certainly have some great quality/value choices.

The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Denver area (subject to making sure that any specific mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier in this reply) are listed in post #2 here .

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd also be happy to let you know about any of the better options or possibilities I'm aware of that may be closer to you as well.

You probably know this already as well but the tutorial also includes a link to a list of the members here that sell mattresses online (in the optional online step) and many of these sell latex mattresses that use different types and blends of latex in a wide range of budgets and designs. Post #3 here also includes the ones that sell component latex mattresses.

Phoenix
13 Aug 2015 10:02
  • suz111
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Hi, I have recently moved from Hawaii to Colorado (about 3 hours from Denver) and am in search of a all latex mattress. I slept on a futon in Colorado for years until I realized it was causing a lot of shoulder pain. I purchased a queen size Tempurpedic mattress 3 years ago and loved that mattress. It was comfortable from day one, except for the horrible off gassing the first few weeks. I believe it was the contour - medium firmness. Because of shipping challenges, I did not bring it with me.

After doing a ton of research, mostly on this site, I have decided on a purchasing a latex mattress. I do not want to deal with the off gassing issues again. I drove down to Denver a few weeks ago and tried out a few latex mattresses at the Natural Sleep Store. I did not have much time though as I did not drive and the parking was not an ideal situation. The mattresses that felt the best to me were the Bella Sera Nove 3 S,M,F and M, M, F combos. However, neither of them felt just right. The one with the soft layer on top felt of course wonderful when I was on my side but not supportive enough when I was on my stomach. The one with the medium layer on top felt a little too firm when I was on my side. I should note though that I have been sleeping on a tiny blow up air mattress and my back was bothering me a little bit before I went into the store. The third combo that sort of was ok was the Sueno Suerte S,F combo.

I weigh about 110 and am in my 50's.. Not sure if age matters. I also need to purchase a bed frame. I am looking at platform beds with strong wood and slats no less than 3" apart as recommended. I am really over sleeping on the air mattress and need to get moving on purchasing a new bed/matteress as soon as possible.

Because of my budget, I plan to purchase the mattress online. I after doing a lot of research and comparisons, I have narrowed it down to Flexus Comfort. The V Zone mattresses at Flo Beds was tempting but it is just a lot more money and I was fine with one type of layer when sleeping on my Tempurpedic bed. I realize that I may not find the right combo the first time, but am hoping I can to avoid the hassle of having to return a layer.

I plan to purchase a queen size bed. One thought, although crazy, was to get to different combos for the 2 sides. Perhaps S, M, F and then M, M, F. I am leaning towards the 3 layers - 3" each with the 1" cover. Any suggestions on what might work best for a tiny framed, stomach/side sleeper (mostly on my stomach)?

Also, if I did drive down to Denver again before ordering a mattress, any suggestions on places to try out?

Thanks!!
03 Feb 2015 01:32
  • jbond04
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Hi all, first I want to thank Phoenix and the other contributors for creating such a great resource! My wife and I saw the many positive things written about DreamFoam's Ultimate Dreams Eurotop mattress, and we took the plunge back in December. However, after more than a month of sleeping on the mattress, we're not quite happy with the comfort just yet, and would like some help dialing in the last little bit.

Okay, some background: I'm 5'11" and 165 lbs, and primarily and back and side sleeper. My wife is 5'4" and 125 lbs, and primarily a side sleeper, though she's pregnant right now, so add some weight to account for that. We both really liked the feel of latex, but couldn't afford an all-latex mattress, which is how we settled on the Eurotop. Our preference was for something on the softer side, but with enough support that I could sleep on my back if desired. Chuck was helpful and responsive during our order process, and we chose a "Level 7" latex layer, which is 24 ILD.

As I mentioned in the title, we've both decided that the mattress is still too firm. We have a few options:
  1. Exchange our 24 ILD "level 7" layer for a 19 ILD "level 8" layer
  2. Add a soft 2" or 3" latex topper. Maybe 14 or 19 ILD?
  3. Exchange our level 7 layer for a firmer layer (maybe level 6?) and THEN add a soft 2" or 3" latex topper

I've got concerns with each option. For option #1, I'm worried that at 19 ILD we'll compress the latex too much and "feel" the polyfoam underneath. Chuck didn't seem to think this would be a problem, but I'd like to get some other opinions. With option #2, my concern is that the combination of a soft topper and the 3", 24 ILD layer in the mattress would not give enough support. I wonder if a 2" topper would help to mitigate this somewhat, but I don't really know. Finally, with option #3, it's the most expensive and has the most variables, so it may take some costly trial-and-error.

If we decide to go down the topper route, I'd like to buy from a place that allows exchanges so that we can dial in our comfort. We're located in Fort Collins, Colorado, so if there are toppers that we can try locally, that would be a plus. Here are the parameters we're looking for:
  • - Talalay latex (doesn't matter if it's natural or a blend)
  • - 2" or 3" thickness
  • - Retailer should allow exchanges (a fee is okay, as long as it's not outrageous)
  • - At least a 19 ILD option, and perhaps 14 ILD?
  • - We'd add an inexpensive cover to the topper if we bought just bare latex.

The final piece of data are two mattresses that we tried and liked during our shopping experience. The first was a Bella Sera Nove 3 mattress in Soft/Medium/Firm, and then second was a Denver Mattress iChoice HeveaPur . We loved the Bella Sera, but it was far outside of our price range, and the iChoice was also great, though if memory serves, the topper was a tad too soft/thick (maybe a 2" 14 ILD would have done the trick?).

Sorry for the barrage of data, but I wanted to be thorough. We really appreciate everyone's help and experience as we dial in our sleeping system. Thank you!
19 Oct 2014 20:28
  • phoenix
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Hi tigerlily,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :).

There are a few links from the mattress shopping tutorial that you may have missed but I know there are a lot and it's easy to do so I'll make a few comments and link the ones that are relevant in my reply here.

I can't find specific reviews on most of the mattresses, which just adds to the confusion. I'd appreciate any advice/input if you have it.


There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here and I would be VERY cautious about using mattress reviews as a meaningful part of mattress research or a mattress purchase because they won't tell you anything about whether a mattress is a suitable match for you in terms of PPP or not (a mattress that is a good match for one person may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on) and in almost all cases they won't tell you anything about the quality or durability of the mattress or the materials inside it (see post #13 here about mattress reviews).

~ What specs would you recommend for a person of average height/weight who sleeps on both back and side (although mostly back if comfortable) and prefers a firmer mattress (less back aches). What should the ILD's be for a 10" mattress (for both 2 layered and 3 layered)?
~ Is blended Dunlop latex (85% natural, 15% synthetic) comparable to blended Talalay (30% natural, 70% synthetic)?
~ What's the lowest ILD I should go if I got a 100% natural Talalay mattress? I understand they can be "softer" than the Dunlop.


I'm happy to help with "how" to choose but unfortunately nobody else can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able recommend a specific mattress or tell you which specific mattress is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP based on specs or "theory at a distance" (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

The two ways to choose which mattress is the most suitable match for you in terms of PPP are either your own careful and objective testing (using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post) or if you are purchasing online and can't test a mattress in person then with a more detailed conversation on the phone with a knowledgeable and experienced online manufacturer or retailer that can use the information you provide them to give you some guidance and can help "talk you through" the options they have that have the best chance of success based on the "averages" of their customers that are similar to you.

All of the options you are looking at use good quality materials (all of them are latex from top to bottom) and there are no weak links in any of them although they use different types and blends of latex, have very different designs, different price ranges, and have different options that they provide both before and after a purchase. There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

1) Bella Sera customizable (online)
100% organic Dunlop
3 layers (3 in each)


The tutorial post also includes this link to a list of the members of this site that sell mattresses online and many of these sell latex mattresses that use different types of latex (including some that sell organic Dunlop latex) and that have a wide range of different designs, features, prices, and exchange and return options that would also be well worth considering and some of these have a very similar component design as the Bella Sera customizable (three 3" layers that can be customized for firmness and split side to side with a cotton cover quilted with wool). I would also make sure that you check the return or exchange options for any online purchase and include it as one of the factors in the "value" of your purchase.

2) Pure Bliss 10"
Blended Talalay (30/70)
6" Support 40 ILD; 4" Comfort layer (ILD?)


This sounds like the PLB Nature which uses 10" of Blended Talalay latex. You can see the ILD of the layers here but they aren't important to know because with a local purchase your body and good testing will tell you all you need to know about whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP and knowing the ILD specs won't give you any additional information that will make any meaningful difference.

3) Urban Organics Eco Sensation 10"
100% natural Talalay
6" 36 ILD; 2" 28 ILD' 2" 24ILD


This uses 100% natural Talalay in all the layers as far as I know.

4) Ikea Morgongava 8"
85% natural; 15% synthetic
All one layer. ILD?


This also uses good quality latex although it's not 100% natural like your other Dunlop options and it only has a single layer of latex that can't be customized either before or after a purchase rather than multiple layers that can so I would make sure you have tested this very carefully for PPP and make sure you are confident that it's a good match for you in terms of PPP and that you are also comfortable with IKEA's exchange options because it can't be returned and if it's not a good match for you then there would be very limited options for you to exchange it for another similar mattress because this is the only mattress they carry that uses all latex that is "mostly natural".

You are looking at some good finalists that are all choices between "good and good" (although if you are looking at online options there are some others that may be worth considering as well) and when you are down to final choices where you are confident that they are all a good match for you in terms of PPP (or there are good return or exchange options if you aren't) then your final choice (see post #2 here ) will really be a mattress of "best judgement" and all the objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
19 Oct 2014 17:53
  • tigerlilly
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Hello,

I've read through everything I could on this site including the Mattress Shopping Tutorial, and I still need some help trying to decide on a latex mattress. I can't find specific reviews on most of the mattresses, which just adds to the confusion. I'd appreciate any advice/input if you have it.

~ What specs would you recommend for a person of average height/weight who sleeps on both back and side (although mostly back if comfortable) and prefers a firmer mattress (less back aches). What should the ILD's be for a 10" mattress (for both 2 layered and 3 layered)?
~ Is blended Dunlop latex (85% natural, 15% synthetic) comparable to blended Talalay (30% natural, 70% synthetic)?
~ What's the lowest ILD I should go if I got a 100% natural Talalay mattress? I understand they can be "softer" than the Dunlop.
~ Do you have any opinions/reviews of the following companies/mattresses?

These are the all-latex mattresses I'm looking at:

1) Bella Sera customizable (online)
100% organic Dunlop
3 layers (3 in each)

2) Pure Bliss 10"
Blended Talalay (30/70)
6" Support 40 ILD; 4" Comfort layer (ILD?)

3) Urban Organics Eco Sensation 10"
100% natural Talalay
6" 36 ILD; 2" 28 ILD' 2" 24ILD

4) Ikea Morgongava 8"
85% natural; 15% synthetic
All one layer. ILD?

THANK YOU in advance for any help you can give!
12 Sep 2014 22:49
  • phoenix
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Hi Denver,

The first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you know how to make the best possible choices ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

He really wants an all natural non-synthetic mattress. What do you recommend as a compromise?


I don't make specific recommendations about what to choose because there are too many variables and preferences involved and nobody else can feel what you feel on a mattress (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ) but I can certainly help with "how" to choose. There is more in post #2 here and the posts it links to about organic, natural, safe, "chemical free" and green materials that can help you decide on the type of materials you would be comfortable having in your mattress and once you have decided this then it's much easier to know whether any mattress you are looking at meets your criteria if you know the specifics of the materials inside it (see this article ).

We are currently looking at a 100 percent latex mattress from Therapetic sold by Sleep Nation here in Denver, Nu-lex (Foam Source), Tatami and Classic 8 from Essential, the Bella Sera and Savvy Rest. I have read that some of these latex mattresses develop grooves after some use. How do I avoid purchasing a mattress without this issue?


The best way to assess the durability of a mattress is to make sure you know the type and quality/durability of all the layers inside it. Latex is the most durable of all the foam materials (latex foam, polyfoam, and memory foam) but there are many consumers that believe they have purchased a "so called" latex mattress when they didn't find out what was actually inside it and in many cases their mattress may only have relatively small amounts of latex inside it and include other lower quality materials in the mix which are the cause of any softening or visible impressions in their mattress so they will write a review that says their "latex mattress" is sagging when in fact it's the other materials in their mattress that are the real issue. There is more in post #4 here and the posts it links to about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people.

I would also make some careful value comparisons with some of the mattresses you are considering.

If by "Essential" you mean "Essentia" then you can read some of my thoughts about them and some of the misleading claims they make and some forum discussions with them in this thread and this thread and posts #3 and #4 here .

Savvy Rest is certainly a good quality choice and uses high quality materials (either organic Dunlop or 100% natural Talalay with a wool quilted cotton cover) but I would also make some careful value comparisons with other very similar mattresses that use the same or similar materials and have the same design that are available to you so that you are comfortable that it's the best value choice for you. A forum search on " Savvy Rest " (you can just click the link) will bring up more information about them as well.

You can see my thoughts and comments about Sean and My Sleep Nation in post #2 here and in post #2 here which also includes some of the other local options and possibilities in the Denver area. A forum search on sleepnation (you can just click the link) will bring up more information and feedback about them as well.

A forum search on Foam Source (you can just click this as well) will also bring up more information and feedback about them and they would also be among the better quality/value choices in the area and would be well worth considering as well.

Post #13 here also has more information about the most important parts of the value of a mattress purchase that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between your finalists.

I would like something as close to the feeling of memory foam that is natural.


Memory foam and latex are closer to being opposites than they are similar because they are very different materials with very different properties and types of response. There is more information in post #2 here about the many differences between memory foam and latex. There aren't any "natural" memory foam materials and if you are considering a latex mattress I would make sure that you have tested different versions of latex mattresses to make sure you are comfortable with how it feels and performs because it will be very different from memory foam. There are also some types of latex that are made to have a slow response that is "somewhat" similar to memory foam but these are much less common and difficult to find because most people that prefer latex tend to want the "feel" of latex and don't want it to feel like memory foam and most people that prefer the slow response and "feel" of memory foam would tend to choose memory foam over a slow response version of latex.

Phoenix
12 Sep 2014 21:34
  • Denver
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Hi Phoenix,
My husband and I are overwhelmed. We have a temperpedic which I love. He really wants an all natural non-synthetic mattress. What do you recommend as a compromise? We are currently looking at a 100 percent latex mattress from Therapetic sold by Sleep Nation here in Denver, Nu-lex (Foam Source), Tatami and Classic 8 from Essential, the Bella Sera and Savvy Rest. I have read that some of these latex mattresses develop grooves after some use. How do I avoid purchasing a mattress without this issue?

I would like something as close to the feeling of memory foam that is natural.

Thank you so much for any advice. ,
20 Feb 2014 19:10
  • phoenix
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Hi Lindat,

The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Denver / Boulder area are listed in post #2 here .

There are many latex options in the area but the only one that uses organic certified Dunlop Latex that I know of (you could check with the others to make sure) is the Natural Sleep Store in their Bella Sera and Savvy Rest mattresses.

Phoenix
15 Dec 2013 23:11
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Hi Mother of Murray,

Although I don't know your body type and sleeping positions ... you appear to be considerably outside of any "averages" if S/S/F is too firm for you. It may also be worthwhile considering a swap for soft talalay as a top layer which will generally feel softer than the equivalent ILD for Dunlop.

The initial break in and "adjustment" period over the first 30 -90 days or so will make a difference as the layers lose any of their initial "false firmness" and the cover stretches and breaks in a bit as well. Once this initial period is complete then further changes will be much more gradual over the years. It may also be worth reading some of the suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful as well.

If you are still finding that the mattress is too firm after the first few weeks along with trying softer combinations or following some of the suggestions in the previous link or from Shawn at SleepEz, then your experience would be rather unusual and outside of the "averages" for most people but you may be one of those that needs even softer latex than most people would do best with. Your experience is unusual enough that I would also make sure that you have the soft layers on top just to make sure you aren't sleeping on a firmer layer.

The first step would always be to talk with SleepEz about your experience though so they can make some suggestions as well but the good news is that you have the option to return the mattress if none of the many options you have available work well for you.

If you end up considering the Bella Sera then I would make sure that you know the firmness or density of the layers you are considering as well to make sure that they are softer than the ones you have now (or try as part of any layer exchanges) or you could end up with the same issues and no recourse since the materials would be the same and the only difference would be the design (number and thickness of the layers) or the softness/firmness of the latex.

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15 Dec 2013 21:59
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Well, the good news is the mattress encasement is identical to Bella Serra. The bad news is that the bed we ordered from Sleep EZ is disappointing. Shawn was helpful, although I deferred to his expertise and ordered split dunlop S, M, F on both sides when I had planned on ordering S, S, M and S, M, F. I am regretting this choice. My husband I and changed my side to S, S, F which is still too firm and I'm having all the same pressure point pains in shoulders, hips and elbows and some new ones on the tops of my feet. All my husband can say is "this is the hardest bed I've ever slept on". He wished we never got rid of the tempurpedic. In addition, after 3 days of just me sleeping on the bed/platform, one of the platform cross supports is broken and hanging down. I'm normal weight and no one has been jumping in the bed.
Since I ordered this bed to stop having constant pressure point pain in shoulder, hips and elbows and hoped to have better spine alignment without overheating like I have on previous mattresses, I'm considering sending this bed back for a refund. I understand that there is an comfort policy for exchanging layer, however, I think that we would want to exchange 4-5 of the 6 layers plus a new platform. I really don't want to buy a topper since the cover is stretchy and would allow the top layer to adjust to body contour if it weren't so stiff. I understand that we're supposed to wait for several weeks to get used to this latex bed, but the last 4 months have been on really hard beds and it's unclear to me what is supposed to change. My body hasn't gotten used to it yet and it's my understanding that there will be negligible change in the mattress over years, let alone over the next few weeks.
Lastly Bella Sera Nove 3 is on sale, 20% off locally, still dunlop, not returnable, one layer swap, for now is only 300$ more expensive.
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
05 Dec 2013 19:06
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Hi Mother of Murray,

You certainly had some good options to choose from and it seems to me that you made a great final choice and have good options to do more customizing and fine tuning if you need to. Congratulations on your new mattress :)

Thanks for the comments, questions, and kind words and the donation as well ... I appreciate them all!

Phoenix
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