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19 Aug 2022 13:04
  • Basilio
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Hi RipRoach, welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Glad to have you here.

Me - 5'9 210lbs side and back sleeper
Girlfriend - 5'4 140lbs side and back sleeper

We both run quite hot and I personally prefer products that are organic/sustainable. We would be looking for a queen size with a price capping around 1,500 but a preference to $1000.

As you probably know, any mattress you buy will be unique to you and your girlfriend, the sleepers using it., based on your stats(height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions) and their PPP(posture and alignment, pressure relief and personal preferences). Thanks for providing your stats! Since you are both combo side/back sleepers and both ‘run quite hot’, you may want to consider a latex mattress, or a latex topper, since memory foam, by its’ nature, conforms to the sleepers allowing perspiration to ‘pool’ close to the surface of the skin, which is thereby warmed by the sleepers body temperature. Of course this depends on your preferences – it sounds like you have already started doing some research; if you have not done so you may want to look at the - Mattress Shopping Tutorial as well as. the Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the Mattress Durability Guidelines to get an idea of what to look for in a new mattress and what different components and materials to review and how these hold up over time.

Realistically I know this will not be a lifetime mattress and we will need to upgrade to something later on, I'm just sick of sleeping on a twin.

The main issue I'm having with doing mattress shopping is that most products that have fit my standards of density, amount of latex, coil type etc. Are not available in the area I live. I live a bit out from Thunder Bay and drive a Coupe. Delivery would be preferred but store to door (shipping) tends to cost a lot more than online purchases.

My hands are kinda tied so if anyone has any half decent mattress recommendations for rural Canada it would be greatly appreciated

I see your concern; since you have a very specific budget and are located pretty far removed from major urban hubs, you are likely wise to purchase online if possible. Its best to try out different mattress types in person, if possible, just to get an idea of what you may or may not prefer, which it sounds like you have done. We have quite a few Canadian forum members, so I can say there are a few of the Trusted Members of the site who ship to/within Canada: FloBeds are based in Phoenix Arizona and offer latex toppers and mattresses and hybrid mattresses and they ship to Canada via UPS ground; Dormio is located in Ontario and specialize in organic/natural latex mattresses at a variety of price ranges; MFC is a Canadian online retailer with a selection of latex and hybrid mattresses, and CBH Wood Furniture is a Canadian manufacturer of all-natural beds. Also, not a member, but several of our Canadian forum members have purchased from SnugSleep . Some customs brokers will allow you to ship to their warehouse on the border and they will complete the delivery in Canada for a fee., though since you have a coupe, and it’s a bit of a drive, that may be impractical. Hopefully one of these suggested manufacturers have offerings of your preferred density, amount of latex, and coil type. Possibly some of our Canadian members can chime in with their suggestions and their own experiences from a more ‘boots-on-the-ground’ perspective.

I hope this helps,

~ Basilio
02 Aug 2022 14:08
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Hi CocoNixi,

After several weeks for researching (a lot of which was done on this forum) - I've narrowed my search down to three choices. I was wondering if I could get some help looking through the value of these options. I've reviewed post #13, but I'm not completely following. Any experiences with the mattresses are welcome as well! For context I weigh 175 and I'm a stomach sleeper.

Glad to see you have found some candidates for your next mattress! Any mattress will be unique to those using it, based on their stats((height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions), and their PPP(posture and alignment, pressure relief, and personal preferences). Good that you have read the Mattress Shopping Tutorial ; If you haven’t you may want to review Mattress Specifications You Need To Know and the Mattress Durability Guidelines to better familiarize yourself with mattress components and how materials last over time. Stomach sleepers tend to have a minimum requirement for support for their sleeping position, so you have many options.

The first I'm considering is the UrbanMattress Camellia - boulder.urbanmattress.com/shop/product-collection/bloom/#camellia This is buy first the nicest construction of the three. I especially love the idea of the Micro-coil comfort layer. Normally this mattress would be out of price range for a king, but they do have a clearance (used less than 100 days) for 40% off. I tried this mattress in-person, and loved it, but I'm REALLY considered I'll have no option to return (clearance sales are final). 30min in the store is never enough! Now that I reflect, I'm really wondering from materials/experience how "similar" the next two options might feel.

It’s very difficult to compare the ‘feel’ of different mattresses, as I said, every sleeper is different; what feels too soft for one person, another might consider too firm. Personally, I agree the lack of ability to return the mattress is concerning; any mattress requires a ‘break in’ period of up to 5 or 6 weeks until a consumer can really tell if its comfortable. The price wont be much consolation if you find that the mattress does not meet your needs!

The second I'm considering is the Nest Owl. I know folks on this forum are a big fan of the Owl. They have a pretty good deal going right now too. Clearly it has less layering the Camellia. My main concerns are the mixed wool/cotton top design, and the lack of micro-coils. Is that something I would heavily notice? I loved the soft but sturdy feel of the Camellia, and I wonder if this mattress would be similar.

The Nest Bedding Owl is very popular with consumers. Covers are usually made with breathable fabrics like cotton, wool, or coconut coir, or bamboo as the Camellia has, to allow more air circulation which is important if a consumer sleeps ‘hot’. Bamboo is not common, so you may have problems if you are trying to avoid cotton or wool….the coils are not part of the comfort layer, they are primarily to support the mattress, and should not really affect the ‘feel’ of the mattress. Likewise layering tends to allow a bit of air circulation between layers, but more or less layers do not usually affect the comfort level of a mattress per se.

Finally, I'm considering the GhostBed Natural. I don't completely love the pure cotton top, I'd prefer wool, but I don't know that is a dealbreaker. It's similar to the owl, but the layering is different. Considering my questions above, how similar would this feel to the Camellia (again, I know its an assumption based on materials). The king size for this mattress is 50% off. Is that a normal sale for GhostBeds? It seems like an insane value, but I'm wondering if they markup and then discount heavily.

GhostBed is another of the Trusted members of the site; The GhostBed Natural 50% off is a current flash sale; They do this from time to time, and are not pulling a ‘markup and discount’ switch. We do vet our trusted members and expect them to Be transparent, honest, and provide consistent excellent customer service. The Natural has a 2” talalay latex comfort layer; its’ a hybrid latex as opposed to a hybrid. The camellia has double the latex, but also has a foam layer as opposed to the wool on the Natural. All 3 of these mattresses seem to ‘fit your bill’ and you may be able to replace the cover with a wool one from another retailer if the cotton cover is something you really don’t want. Any of these mattresses should last for a long time and retain their comfort…it really comes down to personal choice. Please feel free to let us know which one you decide on once you have had some time with it!

~ Basilio
31 Jul 2022 19:50
  • CocoNixi
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I'm exploring some different options here. I know that recreations often aren't recommended, but I'm curious to here some thoughts. I really love the Urban Mattress Camellia (boulder.urbanmattress.com/shop/product-collection/bloom/#camellia) but I can't get in with the price. I know the microcoils are what is really making me like the feel, as I didn't like the other Urban Mattress models without the microcoils. I'd love a slightly softer Camellia. Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts. For reference I'm 5'11 and 175 pounds looking for a King!

Camellia Specs
6" non-zoned innerspring
2.5" comfort - Microcoil
2" Comfort - Talalay latex
1.5" Outer- HR Foam
.4" Outer - Talalay latex
Wool filling
Bamboo cover

My specs
6" innerspring - diymattress.net/products/caliber-edge-6-pocket-coil-by-leggett-and-platt?variant=36460665100
1" comfort microcoil - diymattress.com/product/micro-pocketed-coil/
1" comfort - HR Foam - www.foambymail.com/HDHQM/hd36-hq-foam-mattress.html
3" Outer Talalay - www.mattresses.net/queen-3-inch-natural-talalay-latex-mattress-topper.html (Supersoft)
Wool/Bamboo cover - www.mattresses.net/kibawozimaco.html

All in this is $1300, with the original being $3400. I can also get a clearance Camille for $2100 (slept on for less than hundred days, Warranty still applies). So I'm wondering if the risk of DIY is even worth it.

I'd love some thoughts!
30 Jul 2022 17:59
  • CocoNixi
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Hello!

After several weeks for researching (a lot of which was done on this forum) - I've narrowed my search down to three choices. I was wondering if I could get some help looking through the value of these options. I've reviewed post #13, but I'm not completely following. Any experiences with the mattresses are welcome as well! For context I weigh 175 and I'm a stomach sleeper.

The first I'm considering is the UrbanMattress Camellia - boulder.urbanmattress.com/shop/product-collection/bloom/#camellia This is buy first the nicest construction of the three. I especially love the idea of the Micro-coil comfort layer. Normally this mattress would be out of price range for a king, but they do have a clearance (used less than 100 days) for 40% off. I tried this mattress in-person, and loved it, but I'm REALLY considered I'll have no option to return (clearance sales are final). 30min in the store is never enough! Now that I reflect, I'm really wondering from materials/experience how "similar" the next two options might feel.

The second I'm considering is the Nest Owl. I know folks on this forum are a big fan of the Owl. They have a pretty good deal going right now too. Clearly it has less layering the Camellia. My main concerns are the mixed wool/cotton top design, and the lack of micro-coils. Is that something I would heavily notice? I loved the soft but sturdy feel of the Camellia, and I wonder if this mattress would be similar.

Finally, I'm considering the GhostBed Natural. I don't completely love the pure cotton top, I'd prefer wool, but I don't know that is a dealbreaker. It's similar to the owl, but the layering is different. Considering my questions above, how similar would this feel to the Camellia (again, I know its an assumption based on materials). The king size for this mattress is 50% off. Is that a normal sale for GhostBeds? It seems like an insane value, but I'm wondering if they markup and then discount heavily.

I know there is a lot of sub-questions buried in the text here. I'm new to this, and still trying to wrap my head around everything! Any help is deeply appreciated!
20 Jul 2022 13:15
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Falls2sleep.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

1) Would you suggest we wait to try the Nest? If we don't, I would hate to try with a somewhat uneducated guess and then use their exchange program too early if we did need to make an adjustment now and then if down the road years later wanted to use that option.


I am a big fan of Nest due to their great customer service, component transparency, and overall product quality. You can reach out to them directly to let them know what it is you're needing/looking for (basically everything you shared here) and they'll gladly help point you in the right direction in terms of the right fit. It sounds like a split configuration is going to be your best bet due to your differing needs.

2) How might we decide between the Urban Mattress Silver Lake or Highland? We both really like the feel of this type of mattress. I read the Nest feels slightly more like a memory foam than an innerspring. We considered if we could go with the Highland and get a topper for my partner.


Honestly, this would come down to testing and personal preferences. You could also do a side by side comparison of components for durability's sake.

3) Might the Helix Midnight Luxe be a good compromise to try?


I can't say for sure since I don't know what either of you feel on a mattress. I can really only weigh in on durability and firmness if the specs of the mattress are handy.

4) Any other internal split options you might recommend?


Arizona Premium
Sleep EZ
FloBeds
Latex Mattress Factory

NikkiTMU
17 Jul 2022 15:05
  • Falls2sleep
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Hello! My partner and I are struggling to find a new mattress that we both like and would really appreciate this forum's assistance!

About us:
*Both side sleepers (although I tend to sometimes try my back)
*I am 5'6, 135 pounds
*He is 6'2, 280 pounds and tends to sleep hot and likes edge support
*Both working to lose some weight (me to around 128 to 135, he down to at least 230 or more)
*Both don't generally like the feel of memory foam

We have tried two Wink Beds, first the plus firm thinking it would help him, but realized way too firm for me and cause hip pain. Now trying the Luxury firm and while not as bad as their firmest model, still too firm. My partner previously had a memory foam mattress. When he was lighter and it was on a box spring, he didn't have any problems. We moved and got rid of the box spring with a foundation with slats, and he began to have lots of hip pain at night (it also timed when he had gained more weight, so not sure how to explain). Both scenarios were fine for me, but wasn't in love with the mattress.

As of right now we have narrowed down our choices to the following:
1) Helix Midnight Luxe (helixsleep.com/products/midnight-luxe)
2) Urban Mattress Silver Lake or Highland (He prefers Silver Lake and I prefer the Highland. . while the Silver Lake has more foam, I don't think I get the support from the coils as I'm lighter) (boulder.urbanmattress.com/shop/mattresses/the-silver-lake/ or vienna.urbanmattress.com/shop/mattresses/the-highland/)
3) Nest Signature Sparrow where we can do an internal split in a CA King as either plush/medium, medium/firm, etc. (www.nestbedding.com/products/sparrow-signature-hybrid-mattres)

We really like the idea of the Nest Sparrow for the split option, price point, exchange option, and lifetime warranty; however, closest place to try one is a 7 hour drive. (We live in Washington, DC area). We have family in that area but won't be going until late September and we need to return our current mattress by mid-August. A little worried that the medium ranks a 5.5 and the firm an 8.5 and that my partner prefers something in between like a 6.5. I'm have read that light-weight slide sleepers might prefer the plush (2.5) but hard to tell in my case.

1) Would you suggest we wait to try the Nest? If we don't, I would hate to try with a somewhat uneducated guess and then use their exchange program too early if we did need to make an adjustment now and then if down the road years later wanted to use that option.
2) How might we decide between the Urban Mattress Silver Lake or Highland? We both really like the feel of this type of mattress. I read the Nest feels slightly more like a memory foam than an innerspring. We considered if we could go with the Highland and get a topper for my partner.
3) Might the Helix Midnight Luxe be a good compromise to try?
4) Any other internal split options you might recommend?

I have attached a PDF of a spreadsheet I created to try to compare the details. Thank you SO SO much. Really appreciate your expert advice.
12 Jul 2022 15:47
  • Kmagill
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Hello!

I have begun the process of buying a mattress and am hoping for some help finding a partner equivalent for the mattresses I tried hopefully with a smaller price tag. I live in a small town with a fair drive from many of the factories so may need to order online without trying the exact mattress. The most comfortable and supportive mattress I have tried was the Aireloom 900 medium soft (green) at bob mills and the Aireloom Onyx Preferred Thornton Luxetop Plush Mattress denvermattress.furniturerow.com/pd/Aireloom/Aireloom-Onyx-Preferred-Thornton-Luxetop-Plush-Mattress/a556424b-570e-496b-9daa-d313cf9ea43a?Cat=Mattresses|Aireloom

My wife and I are both 5’6” 155. She sleeps fine with most things but I have upper back/lower neck problems with firm mattresses and lower back problems with a very soft mattresses. I am looking at Texas mattress makers Siena or Florence or the sleep ez hybrid, but am wondering if they will give us the same feel as the Aireloom. I feel like the urban mattress bloom line might be another to consider that might be close. Thanks for any recommendations or thoughts on next steps.
21 Jun 2022 13:45
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi pokejc.

1. Does the uptown urban mattress have solid outer and comfort layers for durability? It is HR foam but I don't know if 1,2,3,or 4+ inches should be the ideal thickness of the foam layer.


Look at the specs you shared, I'd say it fall within our recommended durability guidelines for sure. The previously referenced foam thickness should still apply here since it's dependent on sleeping position, not so much the material used in the mattress. And of course, as always, personal preference.

2. Is the thickness of the foam layers (outer, and comfort) are thick enough to deliver comfort and put them among top manufacturers out there who make innerspring mattresses


Comfort is such a subjective aspect that I couldn't tell you these specific layers will be comfortable to you/your wife, but I'd say the over all build is well within what you'd need based on your sleeping positions and would/should be comfortable for the average sleeper. Again, everyone's experience will be different but this mattress looks well designed.

3. Are there any other top mattress makers like urban mattress that can make a thicker outer layer of quality foam for an innerspring? Would it even make sense to do it? Best option I have so far is to buy this mattress and put an additional topper


If you're finding most don't, it's because the majority of people don't need nor benefit from super thick comfort layers. In fact, this can push a sleeper's spine out of alignment and create more problems than it solves. You may find something similar at Nest Bedding .

4. I was told a fully adjustable base (e.g., lumbar, leg, etc.) would do wonders to relieve pressure. Would you agree this would be beneficial and especially during pregnancy? My wife used to put a pillow below her knees and sleep which seemed to help her. Using this logic, fine tuning and adjusting to relieve pressure via an adjustable bed does make sense.


I've never heard a complaint from someone who uses an adjustable base. Obviously, you'd want to make sure the mattress you purchase is compatible with an adjustable base - not all hybrids are. But yes, there isn't really a downside to being able to customize the sleep experience!

NikkiTMU
18 Jun 2022 18:38
  • pokejc
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Hello Nikki or admin!

My past two purchases with latex mattresses from a reputable vendor that you list on your website have failed for my wife (used every possible Talalay combinations possible and the "springy" feel of the latex causes my wife to have back and neck pain). While I understand this site recommends latex a lot, I want to avoid it 100% (unless it's like a 0.5 in layer somewhere) and I also want to avoid memory foam 100% b/c I know my wife hates it.

My wife is ok with most top end hotel mattresses (like the Ritz, Grand Hyatt, etc.) and innerspring mattresses so I'm going with the innerspring option (although I won't be going with the big box brand). My wife probably has the worst track record of anyone I know for returns (even surprises the shops) with a 20 year track record of returning mattresses 10X. It probably has to do to the fact that she had a hard fall rollerblading and a car accident that exacerbated her condition.

Long story short, we live in Austin, looked for a local mattress company and found that urban mattress meets many of the requirements (durability, innerspring that my wife wants, local so she can try, etc.).

My wife sleeps on her back and sometimes rotates and sleeps on her side. We plan to start a family and I'm very worried that her mattress requirements will change at different stages of her pregnancy as she gains weight b/c she is so sensitive. She is ~150 pounds at 5'6 that equates to a BMI ~24 (higher range of normal). I realized that her sensitivity to our Talalay latex mattress has worsened with the pandemic since she gained weight (~15 pounds). My best guess is she's added pounds to her buttocks and that is putting additional strain on her back.

There are two mattresses that are at the top of our list:

1. Urban mattress - UPTOWN in plush (austin.urbanmattress.com/shop/product-collection/essentials/)

Specs: Outer layer - Stretch-knit fiber over 2 layers of 1.5 inch Certi-pur 3 lb HR Cold Foam; comfort layer - 2 inches of 3 lb Certi-pur 3 lb High Resiliency foam; 2.5 inch 1353 micro-coils; support layer - Plush: 884 8 inch pocketed coil with quantum edge 15.5/13.5 gauge;

2. Aireloom at Macy's (www.macys.com/shop/product/hotel-collection-by-aireloom-holland-maid-coppertech-silver-natural-14.5-luxury-firm-mattress-king-created-for-macys?ID=13681503)

I decided to axe out Aireloom b/c I'm suspicious of their lack of transparency on their foam layers. The thing is that my wife loves the thick "plush" top foam layer (visually looks like 3+ inches and much thicker top foam layer than any mattress I've seen in person) although it is a "firm mattress" which I thought would never work. I also think the depressions located near the buttons created by the hand tufting help her back b/c she sinks her buttocks on the depressions which help reduce pressure points on her back (my guess).

The questions I have are:

1. Does the uptown urban mattress have solid outer and comfort layers for durability? It is HR foam but I don't know if 1,2,3,or 4+ inches should be the ideal thickness of the foam layer.
2. Is the thickness of the foam layers (outer, and comfort) are thick enough to deliver comfort and put them among top manufacturers out there who make innerspring mattresses
3. Are there any other top mattress makers like urban mattress that can make a thicker outer layer of quality foam for an innerspring? Would it even make sense to do it? Best option I have so far is to buy this mattress and put an additional topper
4. I was told a fully adjustable base (e.g., lumbar, leg, etc.) would do wonders to relieve pressure. Would you agree this would be beneficial and especially during pregnancy? My wife used to put a pillow below her knees and sleep which seemed to help her. Using this logic, fine tuning and adjusting to relieve pressure via an adjustable bed does make sense.

I rambled a lot and have a lot of questions so I want to thank you in advance for helping.
10 Jun 2022 19:56
  • Basilio
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Hi rhemy1,

Do you have a suggestion for a full latex mattress no coils. I weigh 226 lbs and tend to sleep on ever side. I’m 5’ 11”

It is difficult to make any suggestions with certainty, as again a mattresses comfort and ability to provide support while you sleep is unique to you having a unique body type and needs and preferences. Thanks for providing additional stats; I will say that at a higher BMI, while you’ll need to put a special emphasis on more durable materials and constructions and probably on mattresses that are thicker have firmer comfort and support layers (firmer materials feel softer for heavier people and firmer support layers are usually important to for good alignment for higher weights). I would especially make sure you read Post #2 here that has some generic guidelines for different body types and sleeping positions and post #14 here has more about the benefits of thicker comfort layers and thicker mattresses. You will likely want to look at firmer-feeling mattresses to provide enough support and prevent any misalignment in your spine or joint pain, but not that firm that it created pressure points since you are a side sleeper. This is to say that I would definitely run all of this summarized info by the retailer/manufacturer themselves as they are the best to know how their mattresses and designs work with different body types, weights, and sleeping positions. Which is why it is so important to speak with someone knowledgeable rather than be given a “script response” from a sales rep that has little to no experience with how the mattress works.

Since it sounds like you are leaning towards an all latex mattress, some options from TMU trusted members list would include a DIY mattress construction under the direct supervision of a trusted member such as DIY Mattress , who allow you to create your own customized mattress, they have 2” and 3” layers of both Dunlop(this a denser, firmer latex with a ‘bouncy’ feel) and Talalay (A softer more responsive feel in case you like that better) of various firmness levels, allowing you to use for example, a Talalay layer at the top for comfort, with Dunlop below to provide support. By providing them your stats and sleeping preferences they can create a layered latex mattress which you can place on a base like a platform or adjustable bed frame.

Member Latex Mattress Factory specializes in mattresses for plus sized people and are extremely skilled in guiding consumers to good fit mattress on the DIY construction model, I would go for something with 10” of more of firmer natural latex mattress. (On the call I would make sure to mention the base model construction that you tested in the shop and liked) so that they get a better sense I’d start with these two and then see what other similar options you can find from other members that best fit your personal criteria (price, returns, warranties, and all else that is important to you) such as Flexus Comfort and CozyPure , who likewise offer all-latex mattresses. I have included a list below of all the trusted members who offer all-latex mattresses:
Arizona Premium Arizona SleepEZ Bay Bed & Mattress BioSleep Concept CBH Wood Furniture CozyPure DIY Mattress DIY Natural Bedding Dormio Organic Beds Flexus Comfort Mattress FloBeds Foam Sweet Foam Fox Mattress Gardner Mattress GhostBed Latex Mattress Factory Luma Sleep Mattress Makers Mattress To Go MFC My Green Mattress Nest Bedding Oklahoma Mattress Company Richmond Bedding Shepherd’s Dream Shovlin Mattress Factory Sleeping Organic Spindle Mattress Texas Mattress Makers The Beloit Mattress Company The Mattress Factory
It’s good to see that you started by eliminating the worst contenders then deciding the basics – the feel and firmness you want in a mattress, what materials or options you do or don’t want (like ‘no coils’) You are on the good track. Let us know how far you go and we’ll be happy to make additional comments on any of the mattresses you are considering.

Basilio
19 May 2022 23:36
  • phoenix
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Hi MetalHead671.

The couch is making me wake up with sore shoulders and lower back!
I also have scoliosis coupled with my mechanic job that has me coming home with sore shoulder, back and knees so something that's supportive yet has pressure relief would be preferred.

Thanks for the additional info. Generally, “lower-back pain” in the morning tends to be alignment (deep support) related, but this may not necessarily be the only thing at play. I am guessing that the couch is also lacking the appropriate comfort level to allow for pressure relief, especially in the shoulder area. All of which makes an assessment more difficult to separate the causes, between scoliosis and your current sleeping setup, for the best comfort-support balance you'd do best with. (If you want to read ahead on this topic there are some general guidelines as to what tends to cause back pain in post #2 here that you may find interesting)

I want to say that on paper, I'm leaning towards something latex especially if I have the option to replace layers if I need to adjust the feel. I'm open to high quality polyfoam options if they're worth trying out.

I'd lean towards latex as it has an unusual ability to be both supportive and soft at the same time. With your scoliosis condition, it becomes especially important to find the best balance between pressure relief and support/alignment (along the length of your spine) for your side sleeping position. Alignment/support is the most important thing that a mattress does for you, so you'll always want to choose something that doesn't allow for too much accentuation of your lateral curvatures when side sleeping. Generally, you'd want something with "just enough" surface plushness to assist with contouring for your shoulders and hips. I wouldn't be able to tell you how much that would be, as there are so many variables involved, including your body type, level of sensitivity, and of course your back issues.

As buying locally is not an option the next best thing is to get an online customizable latex mattress with zippered cover from a reputable manufacturer, with a good trial/return or layer exchange policy in case things don't go as well as you hoped for. Here are a few suggestions to look at but you'd need to check on their return and trial policies. I'd consider a Talalay comfort layer for more on top of the Dunlop latex transition and base layer. (Talalay is considered to be more pressure relieving than Dunlop because it allows for a deeper cradle in the same ILD)
To start you off I made a very short list of products that would meet your criteria, but I'd take a closer look at Trusted Members of the site for more options.
Arizona Premium has a (9") Queen Naturalux latex mattress I'd call Ken and ask for his firmness recommendations for your specific condition if you prefer to use a Pocket spring for your base layer, this is also a good option and you may want to go DIY route using Ken's expertise.
Arizona SleepEZ also has a highly customizable Natural Latex Mattress and Organic Latex Mattres s of different thicknesses that you may want to have a look at. They also have a Hybrid-latex version.
Biosleep Concept Versailles Latex Mattress is also worth looking at.
Mattress Makers has quite a few options depending on the mattress height you'd like. Here is their CORONADO MEDIUM
Foam Sweet Foam's Urban Green Mattress is highly customizable.

In your case whatever mattress you chose I'd keep in mind that your body will need to relearn, adjust, and regain a more relaxed state where the muscles are not tensing in order to compensate for any misalignment or discomfort.
Let us know of your progress. and if you have additional questions.
Phoenix
18 May 2022 16:10
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Hi Wildness6625,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)
Thanks for your kind words in your previous posts. I appreciate it!

Foam Sweet Foam (FSF) is recommended and a valuable Trusted Members of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe they compete well with the best in the industry . FSF moved its HQ to Riverside, California a couple of years ago, and now to Eastvale, CA to an upgraded manufacturing facility. They do not have a showroom to try their mattress, but their Urban Green mattress is highly customizable and has a zipper around the cover perimeter which makes it particularly suitable for online purchasing, as sleepers can switch layers around and fine-tune the mattress feel.

You are quite observant! In addition to Foam Sweet Foam being a Trusted Member of the site, they used to be on the Ask an Expert panel as well, under Heidi expertise, the owner's daughter. Heidi grew up in the mattress business and is very passionate about making sure that the mattresses FSF sells are a good fit for any particular customer. TMU was an excellent venue for their expertise but as with many things in a business, time is at a premium, and with the HQ and manufacturing location move, baby coming into the family, and other factors weighed into the decision to withdraw from assisting consumers on TMU as an expert. Here is Foam Sweet's Foam contact page should you wish to ask for their expert opinion.

Phoenix
07 May 2022 13:11
  • HybridQuest
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Thanks for your thoughtful response, Phoenix.
We have been researching for quite a while. I have been reading this site and other sites. We tested several mattresses in stores, although we have only a few in our area (Central NJ). I should let you know we did place an order with Sleep EZ for the 360 Hybrid and went with their recommendations... 3" Soft Talalay for my side and 3" Medium Talalay on my husband's side. Hopefully we won't end up down that rabbit hole of trial and errors, but in case we do and need to send this mattress back I will answer some of your questions and share our experience.

We had needed a bed for guests last year and purchased a Costco Nova Form Serafina Pearl (I think in firm) for our guest room along with a new platform bed with center support and slats across. I slept on it (during a Covid scare) and found the firmness comfortable but my hips felt like they were sinking(Im only 118lbs) and my legs became uncomfortable and numb like. I found myself needing to sleep in the center of the bed for the support of the center "bar" and that didn't alleviate the problem. I also wasn't thrilled with the sinking in of the memory foam. I like to be able to reposition easily.
We need a new mattress for ourselves anyway so we decided we will move our current mattress to our guest room and get a better quality mattress for us. The new platform bed in the guest room may have been part of the problem, so i will have to take a look at how sturdy the slats are. Maybe we have to add some extra support to the platform?

At the very start of our search, with little information, we visited Shovlin Mattress. We were not happy with the older salesman, when we tried to ask questions. He quoted 3k for anything latex which was out of our price range. We tried a traditional innerspring and when my husband got on one side the other side lifted up...felt very cheap... so we left.

We went to Urban Natural in Bloomfield and met Ari, he was great. Very informative. We tried three mattresses. Berkeley Ergonomics (he called it the "Madison" model) 6 inch coils with 2 inches Talalay. The Soft side had my husband's hips sinking and the firm he said was better. I found the soft very comfortable but the springs made it feel very different...almost like a waterbed with no edge support. Naturepedic EOS "firm" coil & soft Dunlop felt good to us.. felt like what I'm used to. Naturepedic Serenade with 2 " latex felt softer than the EOS .. i think the coils may have been softer this was just ok for both of us.

At Hibernate in Bernardsville they had a Naturepedic that was way too soft for us. They had an all latex Savvy Rest that I was comfortable on a configuration of top to bottom: Med, Firm, Firm all Talalay--- the other side was Soft, Med, Firm all dunlop I thought too firm. Go figure. Also, a Harvest Green with medium Dunlop(we were told Bear mattress tried to copy the Avocado) with and without the pillowtop. Oddly the pillowtop was firmer for both of us. My husband only liked the pillowtop. I disliked that it felt like the whole bed moved on springs. I loved the feel of a bed made by OMI Organic Pedic -Lago Nouveau which was all latex and was Dunlop, but not sure of configuration ... ... but it was 7k in a Queen!

Online, we had narrowed our search to three... Luma's Natural Latex Hybrid with a 3" Talalay topper...the Nestbedding Owl and the Sleep EZ 360. I watched video reviews to try to get an idea of the "feel" of the mattresses as someone rolled around on them(lol... unscientiific... I know!
My concern on the Nest Bedding Owl was the cover had no wool, but included foam that would get indentations rather quickly and no way to replace.. . The review of Luma was described as firm and appeared so without the topper. I figured it might be good with the topper but the cover was Tencel and no wool. I couldn't find any videos of Sleep EZ mattresses, but the fact we could have different softness levels was a deciding factor and I could find no other company doing this on a hybrid in a Queen. Which was my main question in the previous post.

The shoulder and hip issues are not related to our current mattress. I have a chronic tendinitis with calcium deposits in my outer shoulder that is sore with pressure. A lesser issue is my hip which has a gluteal medius tear in my outer hip. I feel pressure in my shoulder on our current firm Stearns and Foster. Since I do sleep on my stomach about 30% of the time, I have temporarily used quilter's batting to fill in the indentation and covered with a thick mattress pad and I'm comfortable. I will have to take a look and see if i can figure out more info on it. It was a "top of the line" at time. I know it had a wool layer at the top and is a standard innerspring in Firm.
04 May 2022 10:56
  • achorak
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Hello Underground. I was wondering if anyone could help me know how to find good local retailers. Background info, wife and I are looking for a new mattress. We previously bought V-zone beds from Flobeds but we just couldn't get the feel right for us. I also don't think a DIY mattress is for us as we found that the layers tended to shift too much. I will say Flobeds has been great. They always answered questions and tried to help us get the right feel by moving layers around but ultimately a solid latex mattress wasn't what we'd hoped as far as feel. They also had no problem with us returning it. I would recommend them to anyone who wants to go with a make it yourself type latex mattress. After ordering a bed without trying it first, we decided we need to really be able to test a mattress in person. Went to a local mattress place and thought the Tempur pedic was pretty good but having been on this website i knew it wasn't the way to go. Can anyone suggest an retainers in the Casper, Wyoming area that would be worth looking at? The closest suburban area to us is Ft Collins, CO where we visit a few times a year. Other possibilities are we will be visiting family in Utah in July and could look in the greater SLC area if needed. Right now we are leaning towards either memory foam as we liked the tempurpedic or a spring or hybrid. No all latex for us. Any suggestions on where to look? Thank you!
22 Feb 2022 14:48
  • zzzcatcher
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Hi Nikki,
Thanks for the confirmation that an exchange is looking like the best course of action : ) And, unfortunately, yes I am limited to the inventory from the story I purchased from. Since my last post, I was eyeballing a couple models from King Koil that said store has available. Was thinking these might be good options as something with good firm back support but also cushioning layers for when I'm on my side:

King Koil Luxury Crestline Firm Euro Top:

Better rest meets peace of mind in the King Koil Luxury collection. Designed to provide a luxurious sleep experience, thoughtful details merge with premium features for optimal comfort and all-night support. This International Chiropractors Association (ICA) endorsed mattress collection utilizes advanced coil technologies to promote better posture alignment while specialty foams regulate temperature and dispel motion for a deeper night’s rest for all.

Cooling Comfort Foam – AdvantaGel™ foam is an infusion of gel and resilient foam to deliver a cooler sleep with luxurious comfort and durability.
Cooling Memory Foam – Our iFusion™ Technology is a combination of open cell memory foam and pressure relieving gel resulting in an optimal temperature sleeping surface while still conforming to every curve of your body.
Super Stretch Tencel Fabric - A natural and breathable fabric that offers pressure relief at the surface of the mattress allowing the sleeper to benefit from the increased comfort and reduced motion below.
Pressure Relieving Support – The Contour Elite Encased Coil System features 858 independently encased coils which are designed to reduce motion disturbance and body pressure points giving you the ultimate in comfort and support.
Proudly designed & built in the USA since 1898
Mattress is adjustable friendly - works well on motion bases.
10 Year Non-Prorated Warranty
Mattress Height (Approx.) 13.5”


King Koil Luxury Crestline Plush Euro Top:

Product Specs

Better rest meets peace of mind in the King Koil Luxury collection. Designed to provide a luxurious sleep experience, thoughtful details merge with premium features for optimal comfort and all-night support. This International Chiropractors Association (ICA) endorsed mattress collection utilizes advanced coil technologies to promote better posture alignment while specialty foams regulate temperature and dispel motion for a deeper night’s rest for all.

Cooling Comfort Foam – AdvantaGel™ foam is an infusion of gel and resilient foam to deliver a cooler sleep with luxurious comfort and durability.
Cooling Memory Foam – Our iFusion™ Technology is a combination of open cell memory foam and pressure relieving gel resulting in an optimal temperature sleeping surface while still conforming to every curve of your body.
Super Stretch Tencel Fabric - A natural and breathable fabric that offers pressure relief at the surface of the mattress allowing the sleeper to benefit from the increased comfort and reduced motion below.
Pressure Relieving Support – The Contour Elite Encased Coil System features 858 independently encased coils which are designed to reduce motion disturbance and body pressure points giving you the ultimate in comfort and support.
Proudly designed & built in the USA since 1898
Mattress is adjustable friendly - works well on motion bases.
10 Year Non-Prorated Warranty
Mattress Height (Approx.) 13.5”


Please let me know your thoughts on the King Koil options. Also do Eurotops have the same inherent sagging issues that pillow tops do?

Thanks!
-z
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