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08 Aug 2022 13:29
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Antilokhos.

Welcome back :)

If you have the model/specs of the Tuft and Needle you're looking at, I'd be happy to give it a look over for a durability review. They're no longer a Trusted Member here, so there won't be a discount available through TMU this time around. I'd definitely recommend reviewing our current Trusted Members as well, just for variety's sake.

NikkiTMU
05 Aug 2022 16:50
  • Antilokhos
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Welp, it's been a long time, I'm not in STL anymore, but this mattress has run it's course I think. We've started waking up sore again which is what really drove us to the mattress market the first time around.

Still, it's been a good run, lots of great sleep, and great value for the cost we paid for it. Time to start the search again but I'm thinking of running it back assuming the Tuft and Needle design is still solid and they're still a reputable company and what not.

Thanks again for the help so many years ago.
30 May 2022 17:15
  • Pleg910
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I’ve had my purple hybrid 3 for 5 months, and the first few were awesome! But the grid system started losing support and now I’m waking up with back pain. Too late to return, and won’t be covered by warranty — huge bummer! I’m hoping for advice on how I might approach replacing the 3” grid layer since I’d hate to have to get a new mattress, or any other advice would be appreciated. From what I can tell, it goes straight from the springs to the grid, little if any transition material.

Some info about me: 6’2”, 185 pounds, 30 yo, tendency toward lower back/hip pain, sleep hot but not as bad as some. Combo sleeper, but mostly use a side/stomach hybrid position with left arm under head pillow, right leg slightly bent and that hip supported by another pillow that I hug with my right arm. Requires a lot of support without too much sink, but still pressure relief. I sometimes wake up on my back and like the option to sleep on my side.

The best mattress I’ve had was an original tuft and needle, which only lasted 2 years, but felt like it was on the firm side of medium-firm with a hint of memory foam sink. Also loved the initial experience with a nectar (very memory foamy), but it lost support after only 6 months. Found avocado mattress too unforgiving and didn’t love the feel of latex, and now that I’ve ruled out purple, I think I’m a memory foam guy!

So, is it realistic to replace grid on purple mattress and is 3” enough to work with to have the effect I want, or should I be looking elsewhere? Looks like there’s 6 inches of edge support foam all around the mattress (CA king) — could I buy foam in queen size and cut it to fit inside? I’m thinking 1 inch of firm-ish latex, with 2 inches of dense gel infused memory foam on top, but would love suggestions as I’m new to this. Links to actual products would be extra helpful. Really, any help would be appreciated! I can’t believe how much I spent on this mattress only for it not to work :(
27 May 2022 14:07
  • JDMWDC
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We have really enjoyed our all-foam mattress, was named the "Aloe Adele" back when Brooklyn Bedding offered deeply customizable sleep solutions (now they're just mass bed-in-a-box like everyone else, sadly). I spoke to a BB salesperson and was basically told they don't make mattresses similar to the one I have anymore. So: after 9 years so it's time for a new mattress and it looks like I'm changing brands.

Our current mattress:
1" quilted pillow top
3" of 4-lb gel memory foam
3" of 28 ILD Talalay latex
and 7" of 2.17lb base polyfoam

What we're trying to recreate:
* Little to no motion transfer, no major bounce (hence hybrid mattresses are out... I truly can't tell the difference between coils vs. innerspring other than marketing)
* We need the all-foam feel, which we view as soft without compromising support. We want more than neutral foam, but don't want to sink deeply into the mattress. My wife describes it as "just enough sink to support all the crevices, then you stop sinking before you feel trapped."

Whether there's a quilted top or not isn't super important.

What we've tried:
* Saatva showroom, hated almost everything we tried mostly due to the bounce. The closest offering was the Saatva HD, meant for heavy people (awkward, I'm 145 lbs.) But as I read about it, I think perhaps it's because the mattress added additional comfort layers for heavy people, so we didn't feel the springs as much. In addition, the coils that WERE there, were stronger than normal so perhaps less bounce to them.
* Purple showroom, hated everything with a passion because of the bouncing.
* Casper showroom. The Casper Original wasn't bad but was a tad too firm for our liking, felt more like sleeping on top rather than slightly more "in." I would say "close." We disliked the Wave and Nova beds, not a surprise as they're hybrids and very firm.
* Nectar. The Nectar Original is maybe the closest we've had so far. If the layers were thicker it might be the winner, but overall a bit firm (more "on" than "in" again). Nectar Premier was definitely out of contention. All reviewers say it's a much softer mattress, but that really only seems to apply to the top layer. We layer on it, immediately sunk through the top layer with virtually no support, and hit the second comfort layer like a rock.
* Tuft and Needle Mint - Felt extremely cheap in the showroom. They call their payers "adaptive foam" but I really didn't get the deeply supportive memory foam feel, just felt like a lot of cheap base foam.
* Brooklyn Bedding Signature - Medium. Yeah it's a hybrid but adding it as a data point. We have this in our guest bedroom. Much too firm for us, really no memory foam feeling at all.
* Brooklyn Bedding Aurora - Medium. This is the mattress we ordered without doing much research to replace our current bed. We are planning to get a refund, it's bouncy, the cooling is really a gimmick (didn't sleep any cooler than the one we got rid of), and it is lacking that memory foam feel/support we want.

What I'm looking at and have no idea what I'm doing:
Ghostbed Luxe - The bad reviews are scary, but I could order through Costco and have their warranty back it up
Winkbed GravityLux - Looks ok? I'm not convinced Ghostbed and Winkbed stand by their products, they seem to have exceptionally poor consumer feedback.
Leesa Original - Possibly a contender? Going to try to find this in a showroom, I think they have them at Macy's, but I wonder how much we'll miss having that layer of latex.
Nectar - How has the new Original changed from the old one we slept on? What about the Premier... which just seems like a layer of marketing?

This community helped me so much 9 years ago that I'm really excited to hear what you all might have to say :)
08 May 2022 08:18
  • Margueritblackney
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I needed to change my old matress( it was an ikea Sultan) and I after trying different mattresses for some reason got the Tuft and Needle mint because it was recommended to side sleepers and not motion transfer.

I am not in love with the mattress, I have been sleeping on it for 5 days and people is telling me that I need to try it for longer because it needs to break in.
I am 5' 7" and weight 170 pounds and side sleeper most of the times.

My 6 year old gets in my bed almost every night , he moves a lot and I don't want to feel him moving , motion transfer is important for the matress too.
I have neck and shoulder pain( less with the mint).

I liked when I tried the Puffy soft ,the Brooklyn spartan soft and the Helix sunset luxe version.
I am also looking at Layla hybrid and after finding this website ez mattresses but I never tries a latex matress before.

Thanks
14 Apr 2022 18:10
  • Dragonfly56
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First time posting on this wonderful sight. I have learned a lot and have read just about everything and printed out "Mattress specifications you need to know" to take with me on my shopping journey. We have not shopped for a mattress in 32 years! I know, way too long but up until 3 years ago we still liked our mattress. It is an old King Coil Pillowtop on both sides but it is beyond time to upgrade. We will be purchasing a queen size. Our stats:

Me: 5'5" - 153lbs / 70% side sleeper (fetal position) / 20% homicide victim shaped stomach sleeper (1 leg up, 1 down) / 10% back (usually in the morning). No real aches or pains other than slight lower back, which may be due to dip in my ancient mattress or might be 66 yo typical aches and pains. The only place I feel pressure is on my outside thigh region (IT Band) and shoulders.
Hubby: 5'10" / 155 lbs / pretty close to the same sleeping style as me. He sleeps somewhat hotter than me.

Since it's been so long since we shopped for a mattress we set out to determine what we liked. Coils? All latex? Latex Hybrid? Memory Foam? Hybrid? Plush? Firm? Medium Firm? We live in the Portland, OR area so there are plenty of the usual suspects but we focused on smaller shops. What we determined is we like a medium firm but plush feel. We did better on hybrids and we did not like any of the all memory foam beds. We didn't like anything designated as firm. Luxury firm seemed to be the common denominator we liked. We also tried all latex beds and latex hybrid with coil beds. It was hard because everything felt better than what we have right now. Here's our findings:

Tuft and Needle - Tried all 3 beds. ($760 to $1400) Meh. No specs/densities were listed, salesperson didn't know & none on website..
Casper - Tried OG ($1165), OG Hybrid ($1400) and Wave Hybrid ($2560). I liked all 3, Hubby liked Wave Hybrid. No Specs listed. High pressure to bundle, salesperson wouldn't write prices down.
Amersisleep - We both liked AS3 ($1400) & AS2 ($1300) Hybrids. Their latex mattress was not in the store. No secs listed nor on website but salesman thought the memory foam on the AS# was a 4lb density.

All 3 of the above brands were shopped at malls. The next beds were shopped at well known / well liked smaller shops.

Mulligan Mattress - 3 beds. ($3000 range) All latex bed Medium and Firm and Hybrid (medium?(8inch coil and latex). Both of us liked hybrid. Small manufacturer/shop. Dunlop latex only. Asked owner about ILD's of dunlop in the 3 beds and he said it didn't pertain to latex.??
Following beds were at Mattress Lot - All sales final!
Southerland Elbert Euro Top - ($749) Budget mattress but we both like it. It was #3 of the 3 we liked. Supportive but cushioned. No specs given, on Southerlands website or known to sales staff. Made in Tualitin OR (local)
Englander Beckford Plush - ($1249) - Hybrid - We both liked it.. Rated #2 of the 3. Supportive but plush on boney shoulders. No specs given, on Englander website or known to sales staff.Made in Tualitin, OR.
Englander Elation Luxury Firm - ($1399) - Hybrid - Uh Yeah! This was our favorite!! It felt great. No specs given or known but from bottom to top - 3/4" stabilizer base pad / 789 perimeter wrapped coils / 3/4" firm comfort foam / 1" Talalay latex / 3/4" copper infused memory foam / 1386 count 17 gauge micro luxe nano coils / 2" Firm quilt layer.
Side note: Both the Southerland and the Englander mattresses are manufactured in Tualitin, Oregon. It appears that Southerland acquired Tualitin Sleep Products in 2018.
We also tried latex mattress from 45th Street Bedding out of Seattle, WA.
Woodlawn Elie Plush - ($3099) - This was our 2nd favorite latex mattress. It is a 2 sided flippable mattress, no wool and zippered. They list their latex as Boatanicore. Plush: is 75 kg/m³?? not sure how that translates to ILD.
Pettygrove Plush - (3199) this was our favorite Latex Mattress. Although it is not listed at 45th street bedding website it is the exact same as the Woodlawn Elite Plush but has the Joma Wool in its quilted layer.

Following 2 beds shopped at Sleep Dreams, a very small shop run by a super nice guy. Both are bed in a box
Diamond Mattress Reflections Hybrid - ($1800) - Could not find this on their website so it may be discontinued. Has cool touch fabric with graphene layer?? and it was noticeably much cooler. Very comfortable mattress but I don't read good reviews on customer service for this company (Diamond). Too bad, very comfortable. No specs given, on website & unknown to sales staff. Has sleep trial but I don't see this model on website so hesitant.
Luuf Luxury Firm Hybrid - ($1600) - Super comfortable. Supportive but plush enough for boney shoulders. No specs given, on website & unknown to sales staff. 100 night trial with refund if returned.

Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps someone in the Portland Area on what's available. Unfortunately nobody had specifications listed anywhere which was disappointing. No where else to go from here other than build our own or bed in a box trial and error. Anyway I welcome any advice or thoughts on what we have tried.

Thanks so much for reading!
05 Feb 2022 15:35
  • waters10
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I'm into the rabbit hole of searching and searching for the right mattress.

First our stats: 5'6" 135 lbs and 5'1" 110 lbs. Both side sleepers. We had a 5" Tuft and Needle mattress. I think it's one of the very first models from them. We found it firm for our needs, but we got used to it. Unfortunately this mattress got destroyed during a Thanksgiving trip by our cats and a defective self cleaning litter box ... We then went to store and got a Purple 3. A hell lot more than I wanted to spend, but we both liked it at the store.

Fast forward to now and my wife is complaining about motion transfer. I move quit a bit and it's bothering her. Something that never bothered her with our tuft and needle. I'm ruling out late and hybrids due to motion transfer concerns. For the amount of money I paid, I feel like the Purple 3 should not be something we can just live with, so I want to return it. With that, I want an all foam mattress now, to minimize motion transfer. We feel the purple 3 is borderline soft enough, but we'd like something even softer. Specially as we get older (40+), we both suffer from shoulder pain.

We're considering the following: Novosbed soft, Layla, Amerisleep AS5 and Gravitylux soft. We're prioritizing feel/firmness, so which one would be the softest? After feel/firmness, it's a tie between heat trapping and durability. Any thoughts on this??

PS: I'm not opposed to DYI, but my wife is very much so against it. I'd need an easy recipe to follow and big argument to be able to convince her!
13 Jan 2022 15:30
  • missingmyoldmattress
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We got rid of our 2004 mattress because the pillow top had finally broken down completely, which we loved, and are disappointed in our replacement (Tuft & Needle Mint). We are tossing and turning and have hip and back pain. I've attached a picture of the label on our old mattress.

What is the equivalent we could get (knowing the "major" manufacturers have gone downhill since we bought our last one)? We're desperate.

Thanks!
12 Jan 2022 01:14
  • phoenix
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Hi xMinatsukix,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground :)

. I'm kind of looking to replace my current mattress, a Tuft and Needle Original Mattress. I've had it for about almost 4 years now and I've noticed that it's starting to compress too much on the side of my bed. IT definitely feels softer and well, I am not sleeping all that great. I toss and turn and when I wake up I feel stiff all over.

In the simplified Choice Mattress aka Disruptors post #3 you can see the complete set of specs for the Tuft and Needle Original and the caution for the higher BMI range sleepers.
It is not surprising that this mattress reached the end of its life only after 4 years of use. With the 1.8 lb support core, I would place a caution for those who are in the mid 200's or higher because the durability of the base layer will play a more important role with higher weight ranges and could reduce the useful life of the mattress.

I was thinking about getting a T&N Mint and seeing if maybe that'll do better for me and the wife. But after going through this web site and reading the guides and Forums I am not so sure that is going to be the best bet.

You are correct ... outside of whether a mattress is a good match for you in terms of PPP(Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal Preferences) ... a mattress is only as good as the quality of the materials inside it so regardless of the name of the manufacturer ... I would need to know the specifics of what was inside any mattress you were considering to make any meaningful comments about the quality of the materials (see this article ). Throughout this website, it is often mentioned to avoid "major" mattress manufacturers. This is primarily due to a clear lack of transparency about the quality and specifications of the materials used in their mattresses vs. smaller independent manufacturers that make similar mattresses with the same or better quality, are transparent about their materials and designs and often times sell for better prices. This article will give you a better idea of who the largest 20 manufacturers are, which manufacturers to avoid, and some who are possibilities in terms of their transparency, quality, and relative value.

Tuft & Needle, is a Serta/ Simmons merger since their acquisition in 2018 one of the major mattress manufacturers. You may want to read Major Mattress Manufacturers article here . They use many buzz words on their website but do not list any of the mattress specifications you need to know so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the mattress durability guidelines here
If you can list the specifics of the layers inside one of their mattresses you are considering then I'd be happy to make some comments about the quality of the materials inside it or whether it has any obvious weak links in terms of durability.

You may want to reach out to Latex Mattress Company that manufactures mattresses for Plus Size People. Their Luxerion Hybrid Mattress may be a good choice for you, but you’d need to call and determine the ILD for the comfort layer suitable for you. Or you can ask them about their All latex option for Plus size people and they will help you build a DIY based on your particular stats. They are a Trusted members of our site and also a TMU mattress expert with their own dedicated forum Alternatively you can reach out to their sister company Sleep EZ that would provide similar services.

A high BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially). There are also a number of forum posts and threads about mattresses and higher weights and a forum title search on heavy Some examples include:
As a brief synopsis, higher BMI ranges will need more durable materials and components in a mattress, and in a BMI range of 30 or higher I would include any 1.8 lb polyfoam or 4 lb memory foam as a "lower quality/density" material (relative to a higher BMI only) and minimize their use to a total of "about an inch or so or less" in the mattress. For polyurethane foam, if your mattress is one-sided then I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher. If the mattress is two-sided then I would use a minimum density of 1.8 lbs per cubic foot or higher. For memory foam (or gel memory foam), if your mattress is one-sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two-sided only then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot.

I hope this gives you a good idea of how to start looking for better options and what to look for in your search for a new mattress.
Phoenix
09 Jan 2022 20:31
  • xMinatsukix
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Hello,

I'm new here, and I was hoping I could get some advice were to go from here.

I'm kind of looking to replace my current mattress, a Tuft and Needle Original Mattress. I've had it for about almost 4 years now and I've noticed that it's starting to compress too much on the side of my bed. IT definitely feels softer and well, I am not sleeping all that great. I toss and turn and when I wake up I feel stiff all over. I was thinking about getting a T&N Mint and seeing if maybe that'll do better for me and the wife. But after going through this web site and reading the guides and Forums I am not so sure that is going to be the best bet.

Some details about us.
I'm 6ft 320lbs and mostly sleep on my back or stomach.
She's and sleeps mostly on her sides or back.

For the most part we prefer the foam mattresses as we have found the any type of spring leaves a lot of soreness or discomfort in our bodies, but it could be that we haven't found the right one.

Thank you for your time and any advice you can offer.
06 Dec 2021 18:45
  • SleepNYC
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So I've been going back and forth on a DIY mattress. While I was originally looking at an all latex mattress, I’m now reconsidering.

So about me: 5’11” 250lbs, side sleeper, arthritic

Current setup: original Tuft and Needle, 3 inch medium latex topper, 3 inch memory foam topper in that order.

I have issues with my shoulders and by switching the toppers (latex under memory foam) seems to alleviate some of the pressure. I do bottom out on the memory foam…it’s not a particularly high quality foam. I find that the medium latex topper didn't give enough. I think this setup is really close. So here is what I was thinking:

6 inches of Lux HQ (ILD 50)
3 inches HD 36 HQ (ILD 35) or 3 inches medium talalay latex
3 inches 5lb ViscoMax memory foam

Thoughts?
28 Nov 2021 16:53
  • SleepNYC
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Thanks for the reply. My concern with the extra firm-firm-medium is that I'm currently sleeping on an original Tuft and Needle with a 3 inch medium latex topper. My shoulder winds up hurting as I don't thing I’m getting enough pressure relief. Similar for the hips although not as much. Would a thicker mattress with a fourth softer top layer solve that problem?
27 Nov 2021 19:03
  • pcg2k
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Still liking the mattress? Which model?


Yes, still very much love our mattress. Best one we've gotten so far and we've tried quite a few (including Avocado, Nest, and Tuft and Needle).

We got the Natural Latex 10", with Soft Talay/Medium Dunlop/Firm Dunlop.
14 Oct 2021 13:08
  • julicu
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Hi NikkiTMU,

Thank you for those recommendations. The Tuft & Needle mattress that I originally purchased in 2014 only came in one model and the one I most recently purchased was the "original". I actually tend to think I like firmer options but I think it's actually that I want good support. Last night I slept on the Tuft & Needle topper on the floor and my back felt better in the morning than I do sleeping on the T&N mattress. I think when I sleep on the T&N mattress parts of me sink so that I'm out of alignment. The only problem with the floor is eventually it's a bit uncomfortable and sore.
13 Oct 2021 13:55
  • julicu
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My husband and I recently purchased the My Green Mattress Natural Escape, but we returned it. It seemed like a quality, long-lasting mattress and was definitely better than our 2 yr old Tuft & Needle, but it was a bit too firm for both of us- especially for side sleeping and. We even put an old tuft& needle topper on it which made it decent, but I thought since I'm paying all this money I want to get something that's really comfortable for both of us. A little bit about us: He's 5'8" 160 lbs mostly back sleeper and I'm 5'6" 110 lbs back and side sleeper. We ended up returning it- and the company was great. Quick to respond via email and a quick refund once we donated the mattress.

We're now back to the old Tuft & Needle and it's causing me back issues again. For some further background, I had a twin Tuft & Needle mattress purchased circa 2014 and that was actually supportive and comfortable. I don't know if their foam was better quality back then or what, because our newer 2-year-old mattress from T&N started causing issues right past the return date. Any suggestions on another latex or hybrid mattress that would be supportive like the Natual Escape, but a bit softer?
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