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27 May 2022 14:07
  • JDMWDC
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We have really enjoyed our all-foam mattress, was named the "Aloe Adele" back when Brooklyn Bedding offered deeply customizable sleep solutions (now they're just mass bed-in-a-box like everyone else, sadly). I spoke to a BB salesperson and was basically told they don't make mattresses similar to the one I have anymore. So: after 9 years so it's time for a new mattress and it looks like I'm changing brands.

Our current mattress:
1" quilted pillow top
3" of 4-lb gel memory foam
3" of 28 ILD Talalay latex
and 7" of 2.17lb base polyfoam

What we're trying to recreate:
* Little to no motion transfer, no major bounce (hence hybrid mattresses are out... I truly can't tell the difference between coils vs. innerspring other than marketing)
* We need the all-foam feel, which we view as soft without compromising support. We want more than neutral foam, but don't want to sink deeply into the mattress. My wife describes it as "just enough sink to support all the crevices, then you stop sinking before you feel trapped."

Whether there's a quilted top or not isn't super important.

What we've tried:
* Saatva showroom, hated almost everything we tried mostly due to the bounce. The closest offering was the Saatva HD, meant for heavy people (awkward, I'm 145 lbs.) But as I read about it, I think perhaps it's because the mattress added additional comfort layers for heavy people, so we didn't feel the springs as much. In addition, the coils that WERE there, were stronger than normal so perhaps less bounce to them.
* Purple showroom, hated everything with a passion because of the bouncing.
* Casper showroom. The Casper Original wasn't bad but was a tad too firm for our liking, felt more like sleeping on top rather than slightly more "in." I would say "close." We disliked the Wave and Nova beds, not a surprise as they're hybrids and very firm.
* Nectar. The Nectar Original is maybe the closest we've had so far. If the layers were thicker it might be the winner, but overall a bit firm (more "on" than "in" again). Nectar Premier was definitely out of contention. All reviewers say it's a much softer mattress, but that really only seems to apply to the top layer. We layer on it, immediately sunk through the top layer with virtually no support, and hit the second comfort layer like a rock.
* Tuft and Needle Mint - Felt extremely cheap in the showroom. They call their payers "adaptive foam" but I really didn't get the deeply supportive memory foam feel, just felt like a lot of cheap base foam.
* Brooklyn Bedding Signature - Medium. Yeah it's a hybrid but adding it as a data point. We have this in our guest bedroom. Much too firm for us, really no memory foam feeling at all.
* Brooklyn Bedding Aurora - Medium. This is the mattress we ordered without doing much research to replace our current bed. We are planning to get a refund, it's bouncy, the cooling is really a gimmick (didn't sleep any cooler than the one we got rid of), and it is lacking that memory foam feel/support we want.

What I'm looking at and have no idea what I'm doing:
Ghostbed Luxe - The bad reviews are scary, but I could order through Costco and have their warranty back it up
Winkbed GravityLux - Looks ok? I'm not convinced Ghostbed and Winkbed stand by their products, they seem to have exceptionally poor consumer feedback.
Leesa Original - Possibly a contender? Going to try to find this in a showroom, I think they have them at Macy's, but I wonder how much we'll miss having that layer of latex.
Nectar - How has the new Original changed from the old one we slept on? What about the Premier... which just seems like a layer of marketing?

This community helped me so much 9 years ago that I'm really excited to hear what you all might have to say :)
14 Apr 2022 18:10
  • Dragonfly56
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First time posting on this wonderful sight. I have learned a lot and have read just about everything and printed out "Mattress specifications you need to know" to take with me on my shopping journey. We have not shopped for a mattress in 32 years! I know, way too long but up until 3 years ago we still liked our mattress. It is an old King Coil Pillowtop on both sides but it is beyond time to upgrade. We will be purchasing a queen size. Our stats:

Me: 5'5" - 153lbs / 70% side sleeper (fetal position) / 20% homicide victim shaped stomach sleeper (1 leg up, 1 down) / 10% back (usually in the morning). No real aches or pains other than slight lower back, which may be due to dip in my ancient mattress or might be 66 yo typical aches and pains. The only place I feel pressure is on my outside thigh region (IT Band) and shoulders.
Hubby: 5'10" / 155 lbs / pretty close to the same sleeping style as me. He sleeps somewhat hotter than me.

Since it's been so long since we shopped for a mattress we set out to determine what we liked. Coils? All latex? Latex Hybrid? Memory Foam? Hybrid? Plush? Firm? Medium Firm? We live in the Portland, OR area so there are plenty of the usual suspects but we focused on smaller shops. What we determined is we like a medium firm but plush feel. We did better on hybrids and we did not like any of the all memory foam beds. We didn't like anything designated as firm. Luxury firm seemed to be the common denominator we liked. We also tried all latex beds and latex hybrid with coil beds. It was hard because everything felt better than what we have right now. Here's our findings:

Tuft and Needle - Tried all 3 beds. ($760 to $1400) Meh. No specs/densities were listed, salesperson didn't know & none on website..
Casper - Tried OG ($1165), OG Hybrid ($1400) and Wave Hybrid ($2560). I liked all 3, Hubby liked Wave Hybrid. No Specs listed. High pressure to bundle, salesperson wouldn't write prices down.
Amersisleep - We both liked AS3 ($1400) & AS2 ($1300) Hybrids. Their latex mattress was not in the store. No secs listed nor on website but salesman thought the memory foam on the AS# was a 4lb density.

All 3 of the above brands were shopped at malls. The next beds were shopped at well known / well liked smaller shops.

Mulligan Mattress - 3 beds. ($3000 range) All latex bed Medium and Firm and Hybrid (medium?(8inch coil and latex). Both of us liked hybrid. Small manufacturer/shop. Dunlop latex only. Asked owner about ILD's of dunlop in the 3 beds and he said it didn't pertain to latex.??
Following beds were at Mattress Lot - All sales final!
Southerland Elbert Euro Top - ($749) Budget mattress but we both like it. It was #3 of the 3 we liked. Supportive but cushioned. No specs given, on Southerlands website or known to sales staff. Made in Tualitin OR (local)
Englander Beckford Plush - ($1249) - Hybrid - We both liked it.. Rated #2 of the 3. Supportive but plush on boney shoulders. No specs given, on Englander website or known to sales staff.Made in Tualitin, OR.
Englander Elation Luxury Firm - ($1399) - Hybrid - Uh Yeah! This was our favorite!! It felt great. No specs given or known but from bottom to top - 3/4" stabilizer base pad / 789 perimeter wrapped coils / 3/4" firm comfort foam / 1" Talalay latex / 3/4" copper infused memory foam / 1386 count 17 gauge micro luxe nano coils / 2" Firm quilt layer.
Side note: Both the Southerland and the Englander mattresses are manufactured in Tualitin, Oregon. It appears that Southerland acquired Tualitin Sleep Products in 2018.
We also tried latex mattress from 45th Street Bedding out of Seattle, WA.
Woodlawn Elie Plush - ($3099) - This was our 2nd favorite latex mattress. It is a 2 sided flippable mattress, no wool and zippered. They list their latex as Boatanicore. Plush: is 75 kg/m³?? not sure how that translates to ILD.
Pettygrove Plush - (3199) this was our favorite Latex Mattress. Although it is not listed at 45th street bedding website it is the exact same as the Woodlawn Elite Plush but has the Joma Wool in its quilted layer.

Following 2 beds shopped at Sleep Dreams, a very small shop run by a super nice guy. Both are bed in a box
Diamond Mattress Reflections Hybrid - ($1800) - Could not find this on their website so it may be discontinued. Has cool touch fabric with graphene layer?? and it was noticeably much cooler. Very comfortable mattress but I don't read good reviews on customer service for this company (Diamond). Too bad, very comfortable. No specs given, on website & unknown to sales staff. Has sleep trial but I don't see this model on website so hesitant.
Luuf Luxury Firm Hybrid - ($1600) - Super comfortable. Supportive but plush enough for boney shoulders. No specs given, on website & unknown to sales staff. 100 night trial with refund if returned.

Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps someone in the Portland Area on what's available. Unfortunately nobody had specifications listed anywhere which was disappointing. No where else to go from here other than build our own or bed in a box trial and error. Anyway I welcome any advice or thoughts on what we have tried.

Thanks so much for reading!
16 Jul 2021 19:53
  • soaplady99
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I'm looking for a fiberglass and silica free queen mattress also. I've looked at everything Amerisleep, Idle Sleep, Tuft & Needle, Sweetnight, Casper, Wayfair so many others I won't mention them all. I actually ordered an Idle Sleep Gel Foam but then saw they have an "F" rating at the BBB. So many of these mattress companies have terrible BBB reviews. Tuft & Needle has a good rating and their T&N original is free from fiberglass but it's only 10". I need 12". This is for my husband who is 6'3" and weights around 230. Some of those mentioned are fiberglass and silica free but I can't spent $1000+. Are there any GOOD memory foam mattresses that are clean and won't cost my firstborn child??
29 Jun 2021 19:12
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi cgibsong002.

I hope the heat in Portland isn't affecting you and your wife too badly!

Thanks for sharing your mattress history and general history of injuries and pains. It is unfortunate to hear you've had a streak of bad luck with sagging mattresses. Because you did mention experiencing back pain, this thread talks about some of the most common causes behind back pain post #2 here that may be helpful.

You mentioned that you'd like to keep with memory foam, despite your bad luck. My guess, without knowing your height/weight, is that it's likely the memory foam used in these models hasn't had an adequate density for durability based on your body mass and sleeping positions. For someone within a BMI range of 20 - 30, the recommendation we offer is that If your mattress is one-sided then to make sure that any memory foam is at least 4 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two-sided then use a minimum density of 3 lbs per cubic foot.

So far I've found there is a local Tuft and Needle, Casper, Tempur-pedic in a bunch of locations i guess. Mattress Lot which seems to have a number of locally made memory foam mattresses (haven't heard of the companies), and also BedMart which seems similar (I've heard of Park Lane).


While I can't speak to these locations personally, what you want to keep in mind when looking to identify a quality retailer is their ability and willingness to disclose the materials in their mattresses and their knowledge, experience, and ability to give you the guidance that is necessary to help you make meaningful comparisons and your best possible choices.

A knowledgeable manufacturer or retailer that carries mattresses that have fair value, that you can trust to give you accurate and meaningful information, and are focused more on educating their customers than they are on "selling" their customers, can turn mattress shopping from a difficult and frustrating experience filled with roadblocks and uncertainty into one that is actually enjoyable and save you many hours of research and frustration.

While not located in Oregon, one of our Trusted Members - Ghost Bed - has some memory foam options you might be interested in. I would also suggest looking at Nest Bedding and the memory foam options at Mattress to Go .

I also searched the forum to see if any other forum subscribers had shared positive Portland area experiences, and Parkland seemed to be the common denominator but there was also some chatter that it potentially was purchased by Bedmart.

Google led me to Portland Mattress Makers and Stumptown Mattress, but neither lists the foam densities of their mattresses and I have no personal knowledge of their transparency, etc. but it may not hurt to call and see what kind of information you can get out of them if your preference is to stay local.

I hope this helps you move your mattress search forward!

NikkiTMU
28 Jun 2021 10:07
  • cgibsong002
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Wife and I seem to be in pretty dire need for a new mattress. Have had bad luck over the past 5 years or so with Simmons(?) mattresses. The first was some kind of air hybrid that failed so bad one half was about 6" lower than the other. Fought to get that replaced under warranty with our current one which i believe is the Beautyrest Black plush pillow top. This one has seemed to get worse over the last couple years, and in particular the last 2 years or so is starting to sag pretty good in the middle. We shimmed the middle with cardboard but in any case i think it just does not offer the support my wife and i need.

Every morning we both wake up in a ton of pain. She spent the last 4 months on disability for a neck and shoulder injury and i think the mattress is not helping. Myself i struggle every single morning with pain through my entire back and shoulders, none of this stemmed from an injury so i attribute it to the mattress and probably less exercise due to the pandemic. We've started yoga each morning and are back to regular exercise, but it's not enough. So it's time to finally get a good mattress!

We have tried a few memory foam mattresses in the past with mixed results. I had a "Ultimate Dreams Supreme Gel Memory foam (medium)" before we got married. I liked it but it seemed a little stiff, wife thought it was much to stiff for her and hurt sleeping on the side.

We also had a Zinus 12" green tea memory foam for the guest bed (described as firm) that felt pretty similar to the above, it actually felt more conforming. Had a few good night's sleep on it but we only tried it a handful of times before selling it during a move.

I think we are both fairly set on a memory foam despite not super great results in the past. But we understand it's likely best option for our back issues and part of the issue was buying the others without trying first. We don't necessarily need to buy something local, but we plan to at the very least try a number of local options. We both sleep in just about every position, so leaning towards the medium range of firmness, though hopefully the tossing and turning will subside with a quality mattress.

So far I've found there is a local Tuft and Needle, Casper, Tempur-pedic in a bunch of locations i guess. Mattress Lot which seems to have a number of locally made memory foam mattresses (haven't heard of the companies), and also BedMart which seems similar (I've heard of Park Lane).

The things we know we want, good edge support, ideally 12" or less (due to our bed configuration), as cool as possible to help mitigate something much more conforming, good return/exchange and warranty policy. Otherwise no real requests as long as it will get us back to better health. Price isn't necessarily a concern, although what I've looked at so far I'm sure we can stay under $2k based on the options available.

The only other maybe tricky part is being water resistant or able to find a good quality mattress protector that won't ruin the conforming ability of the memory foam. I've heard that can sometimes be an issue. We've had a couple pet accidents in the past so that's pretty much a must so we don't ruin a nice mattress.

So i guess I'm really wondering if anyone has good feedback either on local mattress manufacturers, or good stores to try quality options, or simply options that will help us find what will work for us? Like i mentioned we don't mind buying online so long as we have good options to exchange or adjust as needed, and as long as we can get a good idea from other local stores as to what will work for us.
22 May 2021 16:51
  • Grayson73
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Thanks for replying! We are sleeping on a queen memory foam bed that we bought in 2011 for $350 from foammattressdiscounts.com, The description was "Queen Size 5lb Density 8 Inch Memory Foam Mattress".

As for the price question, I asked because I was trying to understand what moving up from the Brooklyn Signature Soft to the Brooklyn Aurora Soft, Brooklyn Spartan Soft, or Brooklyn Sedona or Layla Hybrid soft would get me, or even other more expensive brands such as Amerisleep AS3/AS4/AS5, Casper Nova Hybrid, Ghostbed Luxe, Helix Sunset, Molecule 2, Muse, Nest Bedding Alexander, PlushBeds Botanical Bliss, Puffy Lux, Saatva Classic, Tuft & Needle Hybrid, Winkbed/Winkbed GravityLux/Winkbed EcoCloud.

I am going to Sleepare in Tysons Corner, VA tomorrow to try a bunch of beds.
21 Mar 2021 11:39
  • Sensei
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Hey calentarse,

Welcome back to the forum :) ! Good to see you again and thanks for your two year BB replacement update, sorry to hear that things don't sound as if they are working out. I'm heading over to your new question now for response, see you in a few ;) .

Thanks,
Sensei
19 Mar 2021 07:34
  • calentarse
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Two years later, the replacement mattress has done the same thing. We are around 170lbs and 145lbs, little heavier than we were before, but not overweight for our height. I will be posting a new question and hope to get some guidance on what mattress we should consider next. Just wanted to report our findings with BB!
03 Nov 2020 22:37
  • cmurr
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Hey Sensei, great to see the responsiveness on here. Yes, finding something has been a protracted struggle and I am looking forward to moment it is over! In the past, I just laid on something at the store and if it felt okay I would get that one, to only return it a month later. Or I would just purchase any mattress online I hadn't yet and see if it worked. I do not remember that other mattresses that well. The few I I do remember were:
- Purple (did not like springiness)
-Nectar (too soft for spine)
-Tuft and Needle Original (too soft for spine)
-There may have been a Casper Original in there too, but I've forgotten now

I do not know what I'm sleeping on right now. The Nectar was too soft for my spinal alignment and so I though sleeping on something firmer would help. What I'm sleeping on know was my Grandma's old mattress, and it's firm for my spine but really hurts by shoulders and ribs all night. I tried 1", 2", and 3" inches of latex foam toppers and the 2" was the best compromise, but everything still hurts and my spine isn't in great shape. :( Also, I tried an adjustable base bed to sleep in "zero gravity" ... yeah, not for me.

So it is hard for me to compare what I tried in the past to what I recently tested. All the conclusions I posted were from recent visits, now that I have the information to differentiate what I am laying on thanks to this site!

I guess I am struggling with how to narrow down my selections based on what I've found so far, and finding a place that has ALL the construction and materials to make valuable comparisons. I'm going to get the specs on the few I mentioned before and test some based on your early recommendations. I'll post in the next couple days and maybe I'll have narrowed it down a bit more by then.
25 Sep 2020 07:25
  • Sensei
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Hey achorak,

Welcome to the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks for your question.

I live in Casper, WY and want to start the process of looking for a new bed. Currently sleeping on a Tuft&Needle king sized memory foam. Had for almost 4 years. Felt great for about a year and getting progressively worse. It's become what my wife and I call a taco bed. Anyways, we'd like to try to figure out what we prefer and of course the other 2 P's but unsure how to start when there aren't any trusted companies in my town. Can anyone suggest how and where to start looking? Thank you in advance


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :) ! Appreciate that you reviewed TMU's trusted member directory first for planning store visits. While they have no showrooms in your area, they are still worth considering once you have a clearer idea of what mattresses/ materials/ constructions interest you most.

After doing a google search of "mattress shopping casper wy" to see who the players are in the area, it seems there are a variety of choices out there; however, the TMU doesn't maintain a database of "reputable" retailers as it is impossible to accurately track them as well as have an understanding of their products/ business practices and thus how the TMU trusted member program came to be. I did notice the presence of a Sit'n Sleep (a California-based specialty mattress shop), and while I have no personal knowledge of this particular store location, they are generally known for being a good resource.

Before making any store visits, you'll want to brush up on a few Phoenix tutorials, such as "Finding a Great Mattress Outlet" , featuring in the "Always make a phone call before visiting and testing mattresses" section a list of questions for the showroom you plan to visit. These will help you with discussing your preferences with the manufacturer. Also the classic "Mattress Shopping Tutorial: How to Look for and Find the best mattress for YOU!" is an in-depth review of understanding all parts of the research, selection and purchase process.

Hope this helps you get started; drop by when you can and let us know how your research is coming along… ;) .

Thanks,
Sensei
21 Sep 2020 18:28
  • achorak
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Hi,

I live in Casper, WY and want to start the process of looking for a new bed. Currently sleeping on a Tuft&Needle king sized memory foam. Had for almost 4 years. Felt great for about a year and getting progressively worse. It's become what my wife and I call a taco bed. Anyways, we'd like to try to figure out what we prefer and of course the other 2 P's but unsure how to start when there aren't any trusted companies in my town. Can anyone suggest how and where to start looking? Thank you in advance
15 Jul 2020 09:11
  • jk1022
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First off I would like to apologize if this is in the wrong section. I wanted to put this in the "general mattress questions" category, but I couldn't figure out how to do that - it didn't seem to be an option for me.

As the title says, I am in desperate need of a new mattress. I am so grateful to have found this site, but I am also feeling so overwhelmed. I'm hoping to find some guidance in what direction to go in.

My current mattress is 12 years old. It is a cheap foam mattress I bought off of Overstock as a broke, recently laid-off, 20-something. I couldn't even tell you what kind of foam it is, but it definitely is time for it to go.

I'm looking for something suitable for both my husband and myself. He is 5'9", about 185lbs, primarily a side sleeper and sometimes a back-sleeper (maybe 70% side, 30% back). I am 5'2", 112lbs, primarily a back sleeper, sometimes a side sleeper (maybe 85% back, 15% side). We both experience neck, shoulder, and back pain. This is largely due to our physical activity, but I think our mattress contributes as well. We've both definitely woken up sore and achey. We both struggle to get comfortable and fall asleep, and I don't think either of us wakes up feeling particularly refreshed. Our budget is about $700. (I know as far as mattresses go, $700 is low. :-/ But, I'm still hoping to find the best quality possible in that range.)

I know comfort is highly personal, and no one will be able to tell me "x" is the perfect mattress for you. I also know that ideally, we would go in-person to try out mattresses to see what we like. Unfortunately, we are in a position where going in-person to test isn't really an option right now but we definitely need a new mattress as soon as possible. We've basically reached our limit with this current mattress and can't stand it anymore.

We are looking primarily at foam mattresses, though not at all opposed to hybrids. What is really unfortunate is that neither of us really know what we like. Foam is fine, but would we like a hybrid more? I don't know. That being said, there don't seem to be a ton of hybrids in our price range, so I feel like that kind of decides that for us. Within the foam realm, I'm afraid I still can't say what we prefer. Memory foam? Latex? Poly? I know they all have different feels, but I don't know what we prefer. I realize how very difficult this makes the buying process, especially as we can't try things in-person. On the other hand, neither of us is all that picky so I feel like we'll probably be happy with just about any type of foam if the comfort is there (which again, I know is highly personal).

Other than the highly-subjective comfort factor, we don't have a lot of needs. He tends to sleep hot, so something cooler would be nice. He also tends to sleep close to the edge of the bed, so some edge support would also be nice. I realize though, those are two factors that are really rare in foam mattresses, particularly in our price range. So, as far as cooling and edge support goes, I'm really looking for a mattress that maybe offers a bit "more" than expected in those factors rather than amazing and perfect.

As of a few days ago, I had narrowed it down to:
- Bear Original (Celliant cover seems cool, but also maybe gimmicky. Edge support doesn't seem to be the greatest though, and it seems to not be all that cooling.)
- Nector (I was almost sold and ready to buy this one. Edge support seems to be better than a lot of foam, and it seems to be cooler than expected. BUT, the customer service seems to be awful, and I'm a bit weary about t the lack of information or specificity about the foam components from China and worry about quality.)
- Novaform ComfortGrane (Seems like it would be good, but I'm not sure it's the best we can get in our price range? I have read about it sagging/indenting very early on. Costco's customer service and return policy seem great though.)
- Tulo Medium (Again, seems OK, but I'm not sure if it's the best we can get in our price range. It is currently on sale for just $400, so the price is more than right, but I don't want to be swayed by cheap prices.)

The thing is, all of the above and resulting information came from all those mattress review sites that I now know may not be the sites to really trust. So, I'm feeling completely lost. I've basically looked at probably all of the internet "bed-in-box" companies, and honestly, none of them are completely off the table. In the back of my mind, I'm also considering Casper, and Tuft and Needle, and Helix, and Ghost Bed, and Purple, and Leesa, and Brooklyn Bedding...you get the picture. No company at all is off the table. I've just been looking at the internet bed-in-box ones because that's what is in my face, but I am completely open to any company that would be good. But there are just too many choices and options, and I'm facing complete analysis paralysis right now.

Part of me feels like I should just go ahead and buy a mattress, any mattress, because it seems virtually anything would be better than what we have now. But I don't want to make a hasty decision. Even with a low budget, I want to make and informed decision and get the best I can. And, even though so many of these companies offer "free" and "easy" returns, I would really rather NOT return a mattress (and it seems they're not so easy to return anyway). Right now, I find myself completely stuck in the research and analyzing phase, feeling completely overwhelmed by all the information and considerations, and I literally cannot make a decision. I would love for someone to just tell me to buy "x" mattress, but I know no one can do that, and I know even recommendations are unlikely due to the subjective nature of things (even though I want that, lol!). But in the absence of that, I've love it if anyone can provide any guidance!
07 Apr 2020 09:54
  • AKelsey
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Hello,
I am a lightweight (125lbs) side sleeper with back issues. I have scoliosis so I really need a mattress that is going to keep me supported and offer pressure relief. My boyfriend is a lightweight (145lbs) stomach sleeper. Since we both need such opposite things, I'm having a hard time finding a mattress that will work for both of us. We only want a queen so a split isn't really an option either. I have slightly narrowed it down to the Helix line (moonlight or midnight, can't decide), the casper, the zotto, the tuft and needle mint, or the amerisleep 3 (as3). My boyfriend can give a little more on the firmness because he sometimes sleeps on his side as well, and my back issues are more important in this decision. I am thinking we should go with a mattress firmness of 5, but not sure because we are both so lightweight. Should we go with a 4 or 4.5 or will that be too soft for him? I was pretty decided on the casper but worried it will be too firm for me. HELP!

Thanks so much,
Alexys
03 Mar 2020 16:52
  • Sensei
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Hey Endymion,

Welcome to the TMU forum and thanks for you question.

I'm looking to replace my 12-year-old Sealy innerspring mattress in size twin xl. Apart from the general life expectancy clearly having been reached and surpassed, there is a slightly noticeable sag in the mid-section of the mattress. I am 6' 2", weigh 175 pounds, and am quite physically active. Recently, I've begun experiencing back pain in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my spine. Physical therapy has helped, but I imagine a new mattress will contribute greatly to pain alleviation.


Congrats on your new mattress shopping journey :cheer: ! Agreed, 12 years of use is quite awhile for a mattress and often is the point where normal wear of components can lead to physical symptoms for the user. Hopefully your symptoms are temporary due to your current sleep environment and PT will help alleviate them while your mattress research is underway.

Most of my considerations for a replacement mattress have been of the hybrid variety, and I've leaned more toward the latex hybrids after hearing that they sleep cooler than the memory foam hybrids. I tend to be a stomach sleeper (knowing full well that this least healthy of positions probably contributes to my back pain), but occasionally I veer into combo sleeping between stomach and back. To give a brief sense of the mattresses I have considered and eliminated, here is a pretty exhaustive list: the King Koil hybrid, the Leesa Hybrid, Helix Dusk (considered but not tried in person), the Purple mattress, Stearns and Foster, Serta, Sealy, Aireloom, Saatva hybrid, Winkbed (again, not in person), the Casper hybrid, Bear Hybrid (not in person), Dreamcloud, Avocado, My Green Mattress, Beautyrest, and Tuft & Needle (not in person). The two that seem best suited to my needs are the Nest Latex Hybrid, which I tried out in person, and Brooklyn Bedding's Bloom Hybrid.


Fantastic work, Endymion! Good to hear that you have some local resources for site visits and mattress testing comparisons. It sounds as though you have done a good job researching your options and have identified those most closely suited to your personal preferences/ PPP. While I haven't shared this link in awhile, for other consumers who may be following your post, Phoenix's Mattress Shopping Tutorial ,a comprehensive guide for making the best quality/ value choice in mattresses is a useful resource for those beginning their search.

I've been in contact with both companies, and they have been extremely helpful and never exert the high-pressure tactics of many showroom salespeople. However, I am having difficulty identifying which mattress design would be superior for my purposes (spine alignment, sleeps cool, feeling of sleep "on" the bed). Many sites say talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop but that dunlop is denser and more supportive (a plus in my case).


Both talalay and dunlop are types of latex foams. Talalay has a springy, "uplifting" feel while dunlop's feel is, as you said, "firmer" and more supportive. Latex is also the most breathable of all foams, an important part of temperature regulation for those who tend to sleep hot. Because even in the softer versions of latex, it has a higher resilience and is more "supportive" than other foams and also helps support the more recessed areas of your body, such as the lumbar, that need "filling in" and are not in close contact with the firmer support layers underneath.

I was able to confirm from each company some additional specs: the Bloom hybrid twin xl weigh 75 pounds and contains approximately 582 coils; the Nest hybrid twin xl weighs 95 pounds and contains 420 coils. Is the coil count differential indicative of quality in this case? Likewise, is the additional weight in the Nest due to the supposedly heavier dunlop latex?


I did a little investigating online on specs for both the Nest Latex Hybrid and BB Bloom Hybrid. According to Nest Bedding's site, the Nest Latex Hybrid has a 3" dunlop comfort layer over 6" pocketed coils, with a 1" 1.5lb foam layer above and below the coils. While the coil count wasn't specified, the twin XL mattress weight is listed at 65 lbs (for comparison, the queen size is listed at 100 lbs), doubtful that the 95 lb number you have is accurate. The BB site lists its Bloom Hybrid as having 3" of talalay, 8" pocketed coils with a 1" high-density foam base, weighing in at the 75 lbs you cited above. Their weights are quite close if the website comparisons are accurate.

Both companies have great reputations (Brooklyn Bedding having been around since 1995; Nest since 2011), with generous trial periods. However, as with most customers, I'd rather make the right choice out of the gate and not have to deal with the returns process. Lastly, there is a Nest showroom in my area -- do any of the above-mentioned factors tip the balance in favor of one or the other?


Agreed, both have generous "risk-free" sleep trials, allowing you to have the option to make a comfort exchange should your initial layering not be quite as you expected. And both companies offer quality components and support, @Nest Bedding being a trusted member could offer a bit of a discount to you as a TMU consumer subscriber, should that be the way you decide to go. Ultimately, the choice of what is best for you will be for you to decide…

I am moving your post to the General Forum, where other consumer subscribers and trusted members can offer their thoughts. Keep us posted on your research when you have time and looking forward to hearing about your decision.

Cheers,
Sensei
01 Mar 2020 10:16
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Hello,
I've been researching new mattresses for about a month (and getting mired in the countless details that I never dreamed existed around types of mattresses, construction, etc.). First, some background. I'm looking to replace my 12-year-old Sealy innerspring mattress in size twin xl. Apart from the general life expectancy clearly having been reached and surpassed, there is a slightly noticeable sag in the mid-section of the mattress. I am 6' 2", weigh 175 pounds, and am quite physically active. Recently, I've begun experiencing back pain in the thoracic and lumbar areas of my spine. Physical therapy has helped, but I imagine a new mattress will contribute greatly to pain alleviation.

Most of my considerations for a replacement mattress have been of the hybrid variety, and I've leaned more toward the latex hybrids after hearing that they sleep cooler than the memory foam hybrids. I tend to be a stomach sleeper (knowing full well that this least healthy of positions probably contributes to my back pain), but occasionally I veer into combo sleeping between stomach and back. To give a brief sense of the mattresses I have considered and eliminated, here is a pretty exhaustive list: the King Koil hybrid, the Leesa Hybrid, Helix Dusk (considered but not tried in person), the Purple mattress, Stearns and Foster, Serta, Sealy, Aireloom, Saatva hybrid, Winkbed (again, not in person), the Casper hybrid, Bear Hybrid (not in person), Dreamcloud, Avocado, My Green Mattress, Beautyrest, and Tuft & Needle (not in person). The two that seem best suited to my needs are the Nest Latex Hybrid, which I tried out in person, and Brooklyn Bedding's Bloom Hybrid.

Both mattresses have a similar design, though the Bloom uses talalay latex while the Nest uses dunlop. Nest also has 6-inch coils while the Bloom has 8-inch coils. I've been in contact with both companies, and they have been extremely helpful and never exert the high-pressure tactics of many showroom salespeople. However, I am having difficulty identifying which mattress design would be superior for my purposes (spine alignment, sleeps cool, feeling of sleep "on" the bed). Many sites say talalay sleeps cooler than dunlop but that dunlop is denser and more supportive (a plus in my case). I was able to confirm from each company some additional specs: the Bloom hybrid twin xl weigh 75 pounds and contains approximately 582 coils; the Nest hybrid twin xl weighs 95 pounds and contains 420 coils. Is the coil count differential indicative of quality in this case? Likewise, is the additional weight in the Nest due to the supposedly heavier dunlop latex? I did mention to the salespeople that I have a mild latex allergy, but they assured me that the treatment process of the latex removes something along the lines of 99.9% of all allergens that trigger latex allergies in people.

Both companies have great reputations (Brooklyn Bedding having been around since 1995; Nest since 2011), with generous trial periods. However, as with most customers, I'd rather make the right choice out of the gate and not have to deal with the returns process. Lastly, there is a Nest showroom in my area -- do any of the above-mentioned factors tip the balance in favor of one or the other? I know the decision ultimately comes down to me, but at this point I could use the guidance of an expert or fellow mattress shoppers!

Many thanks.
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