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29 Jul 2017 15:50
  • jbzzz
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Hello! Husband and I are on the everlasting hunt to find the right mattress. First tried Brooklyn Bedding. That was about a year and a half ago and I can't remember any more what we hated, but we both hated it. Then we started using my 12 year old tempurpedic which once upon a time was wonderful, but had become way too soft. The sagging of my hips (back sleeper, 5'11", 130lbs) was causing muscle spasms and pinched nerves. Recently tried a keetsa mattress, went for their second most firm mattress so that the hips/pelvis had enough support. Found it to be wonderful for eliminating low back pain but instead created excruciating middle back/rib cage pain. We tried a 3" topper we had on hand already, and had the hip sagging problem again. Bought a cheap 1.5" foam topper just to get ourselves through the required time period before returning the keetsa. This solved my husband's issues but still allowed my hips/pelvis to sink too far. I ended up folding a bath towel and placing it from my lower lumbar area down to below my upper thigh. Then I reinforced under my pelvis directly with an additional folded hand towel. This way it was soft enough on my middle/upper back so that it wasn't flattening out my upper curve like it was without the topper, and yet was firmer and lifted the hips and pelvis, so it wasn't sagging. Not comfortable, but generally eliminated the pain. We ordered a Technogel Armonia mattress to replace it after feeling wonderful on it in the store. Unfortunately we are experiencing that same problem with the keetsa--great hip and pelvis support, too hard on the middle back/rib cage.

Any ideas on a different type of thin topper (maybe a different material?) that would cause less sagging of the hips, while softening things up for the upper back enough so that the natural curve of the upper back isn't being squashed flat?

We're getting a little desperate and tired! Also hoping to not own more than three mattress toppers. Which sounds ridiculous!
21 May 2017 23:00
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And, I got my $50 discount! I was hesitant about getting a bed I had never tried. And I really, really liked the Simmons beautyrest Legend McFarland that was over $2000 for the XL twin - but I was going to be able to get a large discount. But I remembered your advice, Phoenix, and decided to go with the $700 (after discount and free shipping) OSO. So comfy - honestly, as good as the Simmons and will probably last longer and be less toxic. I really like the slight contouring and almost a little "bounciness", just a little for comfort - and yet still very supportive. More importantly, my son loves it - even more than his pricey mattress at home! Honestly, though, I am not sure I would want this for a shared mattress. If one sleeper was a very different weight than the other, it might not provide the stabilization, so to speak. (My Harmonia is great for this - dh can toss and turn while I am sound asleep!)

A few comments on the total experience: I called the support group at OSO for shipping advice, and they gave accurate estimates of shipping dates and deliveries. The mattress was perfectly packed and only needed about 1 or 2 hours to de-compress. It was odd - an XL twin is supposed to be 80 inches and this was about 78 or 78.5, which is a bit strange.

Thanks again for all of your help!
13 Apr 2017 14:18
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I need to replace a XL twin guestroom bed. I was seriously considering the OSO because of its flexibility to accommodate both firm and soft mattress lovers. I then got an offer from someone in the biz - a 50-70% discount on a mattress. I can't divulge the dozens of brands but many of them have been mentioned on this site. So, the question is - are there any fantastic beds that aren't more highly recommended because they are overpriced?

There will be all kinds of weights and sizes - it is a guestbed after all. And, I sleep in it when I am sick or during spring allergy season. I am a side sleeper, 200 lbs, and love a soft bed when I am sick. My bed is a TempFlow Harmonia which is great for dh and I because it is firm enough to allow us both to sleep comfortably. But I would like to go a bit softer for the guest bed. Yes, I remember PPP and all your other points, Phoenix! So I will try out suggestions - but just wanted to know about deluxe luxury offerings. And my next question - where in NYC can I try some of them out? I also want to try out both latex and latex/inner springs or coils or whatever. Can you recommend a store where I can actually climb on and try these? Thanks in advance.
11 May 2015 00:07
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Hi PrimeNo35,

After many struggles I was able to give away the Technogel Vive mattress for a loss, but it is better than being stuck with it, since I do not use it anymore due to pain in the chest bones (as the lower part of my body sinks down too much discomforting my spine and causing pain on the chest).

Looking at the bright side I can start all over again. After reading through the tutorial and many other threads,


As you mentioned your experience is a good news/bad news scenario but at least you will be able to focus on the part of it that is the good news and start over again and hopefully with the help of the information here make a more suitable choice this time.

The Vi Spring mattress is an interesting one in that it does not seem to have any type of foam and so I will check this out when I visit the store:
www.urbanmattress.com/mattresses/vi-spring/coronet


There is more about Vi Spring and other "ultra premium" mattresses in post #2 here and post #2 here .

In some cases a mattress in this budget range may be "worth it" for a particular person that isn't price sensitive and that has specific criteria that aren't available in lower budget ranges but this would be unusual and in general I would need a very compelling reason that clearly indicated there was "enough" of a difference in "real life" compared to many other mattresses that may be just as suitable in terms of PPP (including temperature regulation), just as durable, and that are in much lower budget ranges to justify the higher cost based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Following are the main features I am looking for:
1) Just right comfort for back sleeping (I am 6ft 185lbs) -- not too soft that it sinks down and not too firm that it fails to conform to the contours of the body. Continuous support for 8 hours of sleep is needed and should not lose support after 5 or 6hours of back sleeping in the same position.


You are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more accurate than your own personal testing or sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I can certainly help you to narrow down your options by identifying any lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress or act as a fact check or answer any specific questions you may have along the way that I can help with and help you with "how" to choose but only you can decide which specific mattress, company, or manufacturer is the best match for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

2) No warming up/heating up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping (hence no memory foam).
I am little concerned about 100% latex mattress. Since it looks like a firmer mattress (than a softer one) would suit well for my body, I am worried that if I choose 100% latex mattress that is firmer (like Spruce VIII from sovn as an example), the latex would be too thick and would be very insulating, there by warming up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping. It would be very useful if the manufacturers could report the surface temperature change on a mattress after sleeping for 6 hours or more on it.

Could you please let me know if the 100% latex mattress that has a firmer feel would have warming up/heating up issues after sleeping for 6hours or more?



Latex in general is the most breathable and temperature regulating of the different types of foam materials (polyfoam, memory foam, latex foam) but there are also many other variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress besides just the type of foam that is used inside it including the type of cover and quilting in a mattress, the mattress protector or mattress pad you use, your sheets and bedding, and where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range that can all interact together and have a significant effect on sleeping temperature. There is more about the many variables that can affect sleeping temperature in post #2 here that can help you choose the type of materials that will have the best chance of keeping you in a temperature range that you are comfortable with.

While I can only speak in terms of "probabilities" because not everyone fits inside the "averages" that would apply for most people ... in very general terms it would be unusual for someone to have temperature regulation issues with a mattress that includes latex comfort layers and that has a wool quilted cover like the Berkeley Ergonomic mattresses.

Since surface temperature would depend on so many variables it wouldn't really be possible for a manufacturer to provide the kind of information you are suggesting about changes in the surface temperature of a mattress over the course of the night because there would be so many differences between different people and circumstances and a mattress that stays inside a comfortable temperature range for "most" people may not provide a comfortable temperature range for "all" people.

3) Reasonable return policy so that if I run into any issues that cannot be solved and is reported within the first 60 or 90 days, at least I can get some of the money back (and not store exchanges with no refunds).


If you aren't certain that a mattress would be a suitable choice for you then I agree that it would be important to make sure that you are comfortable with the options you have after a purchase to make changes to a mattress or exchange individual layers or the mattress itself or even in the worst case to return the mattress for a refund although this is a less common option with local purchases that you can test in person. I would also keep in mind that exchange and return policies are built in to the cost of a mattress and the people that don't return or exchange a mattress are the ones that pay for the ones that do so exchange/return policies that involve exchanging or returning a whole mattress rather than individual layers can add a significant amount to the cost of a mattress.

In the next few days, I will start visiting the list of stores that you provided for the DFW area and try to find the ones that meets the above criteria.


I'm looking forward to your comments and feedback after your visits ... and of course any questions you may have along the way as well.

Could you also please let me know if you have a list of good mattress manufacturers from which I can buy online (that do not have stores in DFW area)?
After reading one of the threads, I found out about Tuft & Needle mattress that can be purchased online.


The tutorial includes a link to a list of the members here that sell mattresses online (in the optional online step) that compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency that would be well worth including in your research if you are considering online options. Tuft & Needle is one of the members that are listed there.


Generally I like visiting the store and getting a feel of the mattress before I make a significant purchase. But since my earlier three choices (Tempurpedic, Beautyrest Black and Technogel Vive) have failed me, I am also open to purchasing the mattress online that has a good return policy.
Or please let me know if you think ordering the mattress online is too risky for my case.


Many online retailers and manufacturers have a very good return policy which can significantly reduce the risk of an online purchase.

Post #2 here also has more about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that is the most suitable "match" for each person's specific needs and preferences and how to identify and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them.

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

Sorry one more question:
Tuft & Needle claims to use an Adaptive Foam that does not heat up. I prefer to sleep cool or at least on a mattress that does not heat up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping on it. Please let me know if you know about temperature changes on this Adaptive Foam.


The foam they use is very breathable and isn't temperature sensitive like memory foam so "in theory" and based on the feedback I've seen on the forum most people wouldn't be likely to have temperature regulation issues on their mattress.

Phoenix
10 May 2015 21:00
  • PrimeNo35
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Hi Phoenix,
After many struggles I was able to give away the Technogel Vive mattress for a loss, but it is better than being stuck with it, since I do not use it anymore due to pain in the chest bones (as the lower part of my body sinks down too much discomforting my spine and causing pain on the chest).

Looking at the bright side I can start all over again. After reading through the tutorial and many other threads,
I am thinking of getting an inner spring + latex or just pure latex mattress.
Memory foam is too hot for me (+ it sinks down) and also not keen on gel mattress after my experience with Technogel Vive.
I am not sure about 100% spring mattress after my experience with Beautyrest Black, but I am open to new alternatives that have good quality material. The Vi Spring mattress is an interesting one in that it does not seem to have any type of foam and so I will check this out when I visit the store:
www.urbanmattress.com/mattresses/vi-spring/coronet

Following are the main features I am looking for:
1) Just right comfort for back sleeping (I am 6ft 185lbs) -- not too soft that it sinks down and not too firm that it fails to conform to the contours of the body. Continuous support for 8 hours of sleep is needed and should not lose support after 5 or 6hours of back sleeping in the same position.

2) No warming up/heating up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping (hence no memory foam).
I am little concerned about 100% latex mattress. Since it looks like a firmer mattress (than a softer one) would suit well for my body, I am worried that if I choose 100% latex mattress that is firmer (like Spruce VIII from sovn as an example), the latex would be too thick and would be very insulating, there by warming up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping. It would be very useful if the manufacturers could report the surface temperature change on a mattress after sleeping for 6 hours or more on it.

Could you please let me know if the 100% latex mattress that has a firmer feel would have warming up/heating up issues after sleeping for 6hours or more?

3) Reasonable return policy so that if I run into any issues that cannot be solved and is reported within the first 60 or 90 days, at least I can get some of the money back (and not store exchanges with no refunds).

In the next few days, I will start visiting the list of stores that you provided for the DFW area and try to find the ones that meets the above criteria.

Could you also please let me know if you have a list of good mattress manufacturers from which I can buy online (that do not have stores in DFW area)?
After reading one of the threads, I found out about Tuft & Needle mattress that can be purchased online.
Generally I like visiting the store and getting a feel of the mattress before I make a significant purchase. But since my earlier three choices (Tempurpedic, Beautyrest Black and Technogel Vive) have failed me, I am also open to purchasing the mattress online that has a good return policy.
Or please let me know if you think ordering the mattress online is too risky for my case.

Sorry one more question:
Tuft & Needle claims to use an Adaptive Foam that does not heat up. I prefer to sleep cool or at least on a mattress that does not heat up after 5 or 6 hours of sleeping on it. Please let me know if you know about temperature changes on this Adaptive Foam.

Thanks very much,
PrimeNo3,5.
18 Apr 2015 23:34
  • phoenix
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Hi PrimeNo35,

An update to my mattress story:
First I bought Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze as mentioned before: it sinks after around 5hrs and loses lower back support and it also heats up, so I couldn't sleep for more than 5 to 6hours.


One of the characteristics of memory foam is that it tends to soften with heat, humidity, and with continuous compression so it's not unusual that you can start the night off in good alignment and then be out of alignment hours later or when you wake up in the morning.

Afterwards I exchanged the mattress with a floor sample of Technogel Vive luxury king mattress (since it was floor sample for few months the price was cut down by 50%).
Surprisingly Technogel Vive does not heat up even after sleeping on the bed for 8 hours. But Technogel Vive provided good back support only for about 6hours after which the mattress sinks just like Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze although not as bad.


The Technogel material is a "pure gel" rather than a gel added to a foam material and it will tend to maintain it's thermal conductive and cooling properties for longer than gel memory foam. The Technogel also doesn't have any memory foam that will soften over the course of the night so it's quite possible that the mattress was already on the edge of being too soft for you to provide good alignment and the back pain and discomfort that can come from sleeping out of alignment is usually much more noticeable after several hours of sleeping or when you wake up in the morning than when you go to sleep at night.

There is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress in post #2 here .

Since I am back sleeper I only get 5 to 6 hours of sleep and then wake up and move to the unused portion of the bed to get may be another hour of sleep. This has created some problems and pain in the upper portion of my body that I had to see the doctor. Sometimes I get tired of this 5+1 sleeping that I end up sleeping on the couch instead :-(.


There is some information about the many different symptoms that people may experience on a mattress and some of the most common causes behind them in post #2 here that may be helpful but if you experience upper body pain or discomfort on a mattress then it could also be a pillow issue which is causing causing your head to be "pushed" forward or it could be that the mattress comfort layers are too soft and may be causing you to sleep in a "hunched" position where your shoulders are pushed forward which can cause pain in the shoulder blade area as well. Sleeping better on the couch could also be "pointing to" a mattress where the comfort layers are too thick or soft.

There is also more about primary or "deep" support and secondary or "surface" support and their relationship to firmness and pressure relief and the "roles" of different layers in a mattress in post #2 here and in post #4 here that may also be helpful in clarifying the difference between "support" and "pressure relief" and "feel" although this may be more than you really need to know to choose a mattress that is a good "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Please note that sometime ago I had also tried Simmons Beautyrest Black Ava Luxury firm for few months. Initially it was ok, but later on the mattress began to sag and offered very little or no back support at all. This was the worst sleeping experience of all.


While the Beautyrest Black series has a range of firmness levels and some of them may be more suitable for you than others in terms of PPP ... like most of the major brand mattresses they use some lower quality and less durable materials that are a "weak link" in their design that would be subject to premature foam softening and the loss of comfort or support much to quickly after a purchase relative to their price. It may be a good thing that you exchanged it since foam softening and the loss of comfort/support isn't covered by a warranty. In general I would avoid all the major brands or any mattress that uses lower quality/density materials in the upper layers or where you can't find out the quality/density of the materials in the mattress (see the guidelines here ).

So now I am at a loss on which mattress to get for a good night's sleep with proper back support for back sleeping. I had gone to Sleep Number store and experienced their sleep number bed that plots the stress vs length of the mattress and it was the most comfortable of all mattress I tried. Since the sleep number does not use memory foam or gel, apparently it would not sink after 5 hours of back sleeping in the same position.
The consumer report has rated the Sleep number bed as the best for back sleeping.
But I am very nervous about getting another high valued purchase and only to lose sleep and money in the end. (I learnt the hard way that Tempurpedic Rhapsody, with all the hype and advertisement, is actually not a good mattress at all). I only wish I had googled and found out about this website before I purchased my first mattress.


You can see my thoughts about airbeds in this article and while any mattress can be a good match for any particular person ... in general terms I would tend to avoid them.

You can see some comments about the Consumer Reports mattress ratings and recommendations in post #2 here and in this topic . While they may be a good source of information about more "objective" purchases ... as you can see I would consider them to be an unreliable source of information or guidance about purchasing a mattress. Many of the more knowledgeable people in the industry feel the same way (see post #5 here for an example).

Could you please let me know if you have any recommendations for a mattress that offers continuous good support for back sleeping (without getting hot)?

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for a good mattress for back sleeping.
Thanks very much for your help.


The most important part of buying a new mattress is that it's a good "match" for your body type and sleeping positions so that you are maintaining good spinal and joint alignment in all your sleeping positions and that your joints and muscles can relax and the discs can rehydrate and recover from the stresses we place on them over the course of the day. While this is the most important priority for almost all people ... when you have back issues then it becomes an even more important part of your choice because sleeping out of alignment can aggravate existing back issues and can prevent the normal recovery and healing process that occurs during sleep.

Each person is different in terms of their physiology, weight distribution, and body shape as well as the positions they sleep in, their individual preferences, and the specifics of any back issues they may experience so there is no such thing as a mattress that is "better for backs" in general because a mattress that is good for one person's back (or back issues) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... even if their body type, sleeping positions, or back issues appear to be fairly similar. There is only a mattress that keeps you in good alignment which would be best for YOUR back.

In general ... what you would be looking for is a mattress with firm enough deep support and then comfort layers that are "just enough" in terms of thickness and softness to "fill in" and support the more recessed parts of your sleeping profile and relieve pressure in your most pressure prone sleeping position (usually side sleeping for those who sleep in this position) so that there is less risk to alignment in your other sleeping positions.

You are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are always too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict which mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or "theory at a distance" (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

Further more, since I bought the first mattress (Tempurpedic Rhapsody) at Sleep Experts store in Dallas, I can only exchange the existing mattress for another mattress available at this store. So no refund. I have been trying to sell my mattress for any interested parties, but no offer yet. It looks like I might get a store credit upon returning the existing mattress, may be I could sell the store credit at a lower price.


Like many of the members that have come here you are in a somewhat difficult position when you need to exchange a mattress and are "locked in" to a store that sells many mattresses that I would normally suggest avoiding and where there may not be any particularly good quality/value options available to you.

There are some suggestions and ideas in post #2 here about the two main strategies that you can use that can help you make the best of a difficult situation.

I only wish I read about mattress buying guidelines in this website before I made my first purchase...


It would be great if you could sell your mattress for a reasonable price and have the chance to start all over again with the information you have available now. If you do then it sounds like you've already read the mattress shopping tutorial which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines you will need to make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

If you do end up starting all over again then the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Dallas / Ft Worth areas (subject to the quality/value guidelines I linked earlier) are listed in post #4 here .

Phoenix
18 Apr 2015 22:11
  • PrimeNo35
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Hi Phoenix,
Further more, since I bought the first mattress (Tempurpedic Rhapsody) at Sleep Experts store in Dallas, I can only exchange the existing mattress for another mattress available at this store. So no refund. I have been trying to sell my mattress for any interested parties, but no offer yet. It looks like I might get a store credit upon returning the existing mattress, may be I could sell the store credit at a lower price.
I only wish I read about mattress buying guidelines in this website before I made my first purchase...
Prime No 3,5,
18 Apr 2015 21:44
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Hi Phoenix,
Thanks very much for the detailed reply. This website has lot of valuable/useful information that you might want to consider publishing a book or something -- or an annual/semi-annual/quarterly mattress buying guide publication, as I am sure any of these would top the best seller list :-).

An update to my mattress story:
First I bought Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze as mentioned before: it sinks after around 5hrs and loses lower back support and it also heats up, so I couldn't sleep for more than 5 to 6hours.

Afterwards I exchanged the mattress with a floor sample of Technogel Vive luxury king mattress (since it was floor sample for few months the price was cut down by 50%).
Surprisingly Technogel Vive does not heat up even after sleeping on the bed for 8 hours. But Technogel Vive provided good back support only for about 6hours after which the mattress sinks just like Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze although not as bad.
Since I am back sleeper I only get 5 to 6 hours of sleep and then wake up and move to the unused portion of the bed to get may be another hour of sleep. This has created some problems and pain in the upper portion of my body that I had to see the doctor. Sometimes I get tired of this 5+1 sleeping that I end up sleeping on the couch instead :-(.

Please note that sometime ago I had also tried Simmons Beautyrest Black Ava Luxury firm for few months. Initially it was ok, but later on the mattress began to sag and offered very little or no back support at all. This was the worst sleeping experience of all.

So now I am at a loss on which mattress to get for a good night's sleep with proper back support for back sleeping. I had gone to Sleep Number store and experienced their sleep number bed that plots the stress vs length of the mattress and it was the most comfortable of all mattress I tried. Since the sleep number does not use memory foam or gel, apparently it would not sink after 5 hours of back sleeping in the same position.
The consumer report has rated the Sleep number bed as the best for back sleeping.
But I am very nervous about getting another high valued purchase and only to lose sleep and money in the end. (I learnt the hard way that Tempurpedic Rhapsody, with all the hype and advertisement, is actually not a good mattress at all). I only wish I had googled and found out about this website before I purchased my first mattress.

Could you please let me know if you have any recommendations for a mattress that offers continuous good support for back sleeping (without getting hot)?
I initially went with Tempurpedic Rhapsody and Technogel Vive because I thought that these memory foam or gel mattress would conform to the shape/contours of the body and offer good support. But it turns out that that is only true for 5 to 6 hours and also has the added drawback of Tempurpedic Rhapsody breeze getting hot.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions for a good mattress for back sleeping ( I am about 6ft, 185lbs).
Thanks very much for your help.
Prime No 3, 5.
07 Feb 2015 11:08
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Hi dpastor,

Do you remember my mattress search? I ended up at Selectabed (Tempflow division) with a Harmonia, which is biogreen memory foam made in the USA with no VOC? (Thanks for your help with that, BTW) That is my daughter's favorite bed in the apartment and it is the only "green" memory foam of all the beds. So, I do think that there are some makes that are more hypoallergenic than others. It makes me want to check out mygreenmattress but since we can't do a PPP test because they are in the Mid-West I am holding off on that.


I didn't remember when I replied but I went back to some of your earlier posts just to refresh my memory. I'm not so sure I would call the Biogreen memory foam "green" (there isn't any memory foam that I would consider to be "green") but it is Greenguard certified to have low VOC's so for most people it would certainly be "safe". Sensitivities to different types of materials are very individual so it's never really possible to know for sure how any particular person that is more sensitive (or that has certain medical issues such as multiple chemical sensitivities) will react to any particular material.

Thanks for the feedback on your Harmonia ... it's great to hear that it worked out so well for you :)

Phoenix
07 Feb 2015 08:44
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As always, Phoenix, I am so grateful for your incredible help. I will start on the NYC list today. I hear what you are saying about the dust mites - though we had extensive allergen testing in her room and have special covers for that. In any case, after 10 years, I don't mind changing mattresses and our allergist said that for people with hyper sensitivities, it is better just to avoid memory foam.

Do you remember my mattress search? I ended up at Selectabed (Tempflow division) with a Harmonia, which is biogreen memory foam made in the USA with no VOC? (Thanks for your help with that, BTW) That is my daughter's favorite bed in the apartment and it is the only "green" memory foam of all the beds. So, I do think that there are some makes that are more hypoallergenic than others. It makes me want to check out mygreenmattress but since we can't do a PPP test because they are in the Mid-West I am holding off on that.

I appreciate your help with durability - because I am always worried that something will feel great in the store but a year later feel terrible because of compression. But your explanation about matching the type of foam with the necessary thickness made sense. BTW, my almost 2 year old Harmonia is as awesome as ever. It is still very firm so - no more aches and pains.

I will post again when we have visited some more places!
22 Nov 2014 13:13
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Hi seekingsleep,

Hopefully you've had the chance to read the mattress shopping tutorial which has all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

We looked at Technogel Estaci and Armonia but based on what we read here not sure if they're worth the money.


There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but I would also make some careful "value" comparisons with the Technogel mattresses and for me there would need to be a compelling and clearly identifiable reason that they were clearly "better" in some way that was important to you that would justify the higher prices compared to many other high quality mattresses that are available to you that are in lower budget ranges. A forum search on " Technogel " (you can just click the link) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.

Are there any good stores we can check out? Thanks.


The better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the Washington, DC area (subject to the value guidelines I linked) are listed in post #2 here .

Phoenix
22 Nov 2014 11:27
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Hi. We bought a Dormia at Healthy Back years ago and have loved it. We're now looking for another mattress but Healthy Back says they no longer carry Dormia. We looked at Technogel Estaci and Armonia but based on what we read here not sure if they're worth the money. We'd prefer latex core for motion control and some wool or other temperature control. Are there any good stores we can check out? Thanks.
18 Nov 2014 11:40
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Phoenix,

I am new a member as of a few months ago. I have thoroughly enjoyed and exhausted myself reading posts on your blog. Thank you so much for all your time and expertise you give to help the common person.

I am 35 yrs old, 5'11" 185 lbs, back sleeper w/some lower back pain. My wife is 28 yrs ols, 5'9" 130 lbs, side/stomach sleeper w/upper back and neck pain from a degenerative disk. My wife and I bought a King Size, Tempur-pedic Rhapsody Breeze back in August from Mattress Firm. We bought it based upon the higher quality materials used, therapeutic support, and the supposedly cooling breeze material. I have slept hotter than I ever have in my entire life. We have tried different mattress covers, no cover, modal/bamboo sheets, and a set of Sheex all to no avail.

The District Manager we are dealing with has been top notch in customer service and in trying to help us find an appropriate mattress for us. My wife loves the bed, motion isolation, and has never slept better. Only complaint she has is that the Rhapsody Breeze is a little too firm compared to what she is use to. I on the other hand sleep so hot, that I went from being a back sleeper to an all over sleeper. I now wake up with lower back pain, shoulder pain, and sometimes neck pain. All I can assume is that I get so hot, that I am constantly changing positions looking for a cooler spot. I haven't had a decent nights sleep in 3 months. Any other opinions are tainted due to the heat issues I have with this mattress. I know I will be hot somewhat due to my nature, but with our previous queen pillow-top I never slept as hot.

We have several options with the District Mgr from Mattress Firm (*Note: we did have some hiccups when we were trying to schedule a return pick-up, so this is why the District Mgr is involved and doing so much for us.) He is already letting us keep the bed frame and mattress protector for free regardless of what we choose to do.
1. We can return the Tempur-pedic for a full refund, with no restocking or shipping fees
2. We can exchange it for any other bed, up or down in price for another 45 days free trial with no strings attached or fees.
3. We can keep it, but then have to purchase something that will help me sleep cooler. (This is not really what we want to do, considering the price of the Tempur-pedic.

Now, here are some of the other beds she likes based on how they feel with a 30+min test in the store, but we are not so sure about the longevity and support. We only have major retailers near us in the Greater Atlanta area. In order of preference.
1. Mattress Firm's Aireloom Ingrid hybrid w/ latex pillow-top set $6,499 (willing to even swap for the Rhapsody Breeze)
Near impossible to find info on it, due to private labeling.

2. America's Mattress I-Serta Profiles Prominence Super pillow-top hybrid set $2,699 (120 day trial, $99 fee for exchange/refund)
www.serta.com/buy-mattress/iseries/iseries-profiles/iseries-profiles-prominence-super-pillow-top
**Note, the salesperson did find out the thickness & densities in each layer for me**
Prominence
• Thermo°Cool™ yarn Fabric Covers with TENCEL® fibers
• .75” Cool Action™ Dual Effects® Gel Memory Foam (5.5lb Density)
• .75” EverFeel™ Technology (4lbs Density)
• 1.5” Cool Action™ Dual Effects® Gel Memory Foam (5.5lbs Density)
• 1” Serta® PillowSoft™ Foam (4lbs Density)
• 1” Serta® Support Foam (5lbs Density)
• Duet® Coil Individually Wrapped Coil-in-Coil Support System

3. America's MattressSerta I-Comfort Directions Acumen foam mattress set $2,499 (120 day trial, $99 fee for exchange/refund)
www.serta.com/buy-mattress/icomfort-sleep-system/icomfort/acumen
Acumen
• Thermo°Cool™ yarn Fabric Covers with TENCEL® fibers
• 1” Serta PillowSoft™ Foam (4.5lbs Density)
• 2” EverCool® Gfx Memory Foam(4.5 lbs Density)
• 2” Cool Action™ Dual Effects® Gel Memory Foam (5.5lbs Density)
• 1” Pods™ Gel Activated Support (4lbs Density)
• 6” ComfortLast® Foam Core with Ultimate Edge® Support (Hard polyurethane not actually foam)

4. Mattress Firm's Stearns & Fosters April Rose Plush hybrid set $4,199 (will refund the difference)
www.mattressfirm.com/Stearns_and_Foster_April_Rose_14_Luxury_Plush-P417.aspx

We also went by The Original Mattress Factory, but due to their limited selection and 25% exchange fee & no refunds we decided there were better options. Although, they did have high density foam and closely compared to the Tempur-pedics in construction for half the price. www.originalmattress.com/serenity/overview

We have found several online from Amazon to a few independents like Lucid, Sleep Innovations, Dynasty, Brentwood, Dream Foam, Ultimate Dreams, Pure Bliss, Night Therapy, Pure Crafted Beds, and several others. No specific order. Most of them have mainly great reviews, but most have not been owned more than 6 months or so, so it makes hard to gauge how long they may last. But for the price of most of these budget ones, it wouldn't matter as long as they last 4-5 yrs. Plus with some of them charging return shipping fees for refunds, complaints on returns and issues w/ longevity we are not sure who to trust.

We do like Temp-flow/Relief Mart, but we live more than 4 hours from the closest retailer. They will ship directly, but want $149 to ship to us, we get a 120 day trial, but if we exchange any layers or return the mattress we have to pay another $149 before getting a refund. We were interested in their Harmonia Bio-Green and the idea that they haves holes in the memory foam to help with heat dispersion. They also use higher density foams in their mattresses which is listed on their site. The King Harmonia is $2,199, which already includes a $300 review coupon. tempflow.com/harmonia-mattress-model.htm

I know I gave you a lot of information and back story. I am open to any suggestions or advice. I have read through most of all that you have posted as links on the top of your website. I am not so sure we will be able to find a foam mattress that will allow me to sleep without all the heat, thus the reason we have even looked into pillow-top hybrids. Thank you for your time in even considering assisting in our selection. I will be fine as long as I don't sweat through the night, lol.

Many Blessings,
Adam
06 Nov 2014 00:48
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Hi PrimeNo35,

If anyone has any experience with the Technogel mattress, please let me know.
Thanks very much!


You can see some of my thoughts about the Technogel mattresses in post #2 here and some of the specs in the attachments in post #5 here and in post #2 here and in post #32 here . A forum search on Technogel or on Estasi or on Piacere or on Armonia (you can just click the links) will bring up more comments and feedback about them as well.

The other main problem is the Rhapsody Breeze heats up after 5hrs or so.


This is not uncommon for gel memory foam because the cooling effect of gel tends to only last until temperature equalize after which the foam itself becomes an insulator so depending on where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range there are some people that will sleep warmer on any type of memory foam including gel. There is more about gel memory foams and other gel materials in post #2 here . There is also more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress in post #2 here that may also be helpful if you tend to sleep too warm on some types of mattresses.

Phoenix
05 Nov 2014 20:59
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I am looking into buying the Technogel Estasi+ or Piacere mattress.

If any one has any experience with the Technogel mattress, please let me know.

I first bought Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze few months back and it did not work out.
Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze is great for about 5 hrs.
After around 5hrs of very good sleep I invariably wake up every night because the mattress sinks around my waist area ( I am 180lbs, 6feet, so not too heavy).
I suspect that the memory foam softens up and sinks. I am a back sleeper and I just sleep in one position until woken up.
The sinking is soo much that I feel that it is causing a "drag" on my upper portion of the body.
The other main problem is the Rhapsody Breeze heats up after 5hrs or so.

Technogel has 1" or 1/2" thick gel layer on top and so it should not heat up like other memory foam mattress.
Since the gel layer is on the top, it would not transfer the body heat to the foam to make it sink or soften after 5hrs.
Technogel seems to offer the body conforming comfort without heating up while providing a luxury firm support to the body.

If anyone has any experience with the Technogel mattress, please let me know.
Thanks very much!
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