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12 Jun 2022 04:51
  • Sweet Dreams
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Not sure what lead you to believe that stacking toppers is not commonly recommended, but many sellers of all latex mattresses provide exactly that. TMU Trusted members Arizona Premium Mattress, Sleep EZ, Latex Mattress Factory, Flexus, and others offer full latex mattress models which are available in custom configurations, and are constructed of 3 to 4 layers of latex toppers enclosed within a mattress encasement. Such builds offer great flexibility and durability since layer ordering can be optimized as your needs may change and individual layers can be replaced as required over time.
10 Jun 2022 19:56
  • Basilio
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Hi rhemy1,

Do you have a suggestion for a full latex mattress no coils. I weigh 226 lbs and tend to sleep on ever side. I’m 5’ 11”

It is difficult to make any suggestions with certainty, as again a mattresses comfort and ability to provide support while you sleep is unique to you having a unique body type and needs and preferences. Thanks for providing additional stats; I will say that at a higher BMI, while you’ll need to put a special emphasis on more durable materials and constructions and probably on mattresses that are thicker have firmer comfort and support layers (firmer materials feel softer for heavier people and firmer support layers are usually important to for good alignment for higher weights). I would especially make sure you read Post #2 here that has some generic guidelines for different body types and sleeping positions and post #14 here has more about the benefits of thicker comfort layers and thicker mattresses. You will likely want to look at firmer-feeling mattresses to provide enough support and prevent any misalignment in your spine or joint pain, but not that firm that it created pressure points since you are a side sleeper. This is to say that I would definitely run all of this summarized info by the retailer/manufacturer themselves as they are the best to know how their mattresses and designs work with different body types, weights, and sleeping positions. Which is why it is so important to speak with someone knowledgeable rather than be given a “script response” from a sales rep that has little to no experience with how the mattress works.

Since it sounds like you are leaning towards an all latex mattress, some options from TMU trusted members list would include a DIY mattress construction under the direct supervision of a trusted member such as DIY Mattress , who allow you to create your own customized mattress, they have 2” and 3” layers of both Dunlop(this a denser, firmer latex with a ‘bouncy’ feel) and Talalay (A softer more responsive feel in case you like that better) of various firmness levels, allowing you to use for example, a Talalay layer at the top for comfort, with Dunlop below to provide support. By providing them your stats and sleeping preferences they can create a layered latex mattress which you can place on a base like a platform or adjustable bed frame.

Member Latex Mattress Factory specializes in mattresses for plus sized people and are extremely skilled in guiding consumers to good fit mattress on the DIY construction model, I would go for something with 10” of more of firmer natural latex mattress. (On the call I would make sure to mention the base model construction that you tested in the shop and liked) so that they get a better sense I’d start with these two and then see what other similar options you can find from other members that best fit your personal criteria (price, returns, warranties, and all else that is important to you) such as Flexus Comfort and CozyPure , who likewise offer all-latex mattresses. I have included a list below of all the trusted members who offer all-latex mattresses:
Arizona Premium Arizona SleepEZ Bay Bed & Mattress BioSleep Concept CBH Wood Furniture CozyPure DIY Mattress DIY Natural Bedding Dormio Organic Beds Flexus Comfort Mattress FloBeds Foam Sweet Foam Fox Mattress Gardner Mattress GhostBed Latex Mattress Factory Luma Sleep Mattress Makers Mattress To Go MFC My Green Mattress Nest Bedding Oklahoma Mattress Company Richmond Bedding Shepherd’s Dream Shovlin Mattress Factory Sleeping Organic Spindle Mattress Texas Mattress Makers The Beloit Mattress Company The Mattress Factory
It’s good to see that you started by eliminating the worst contenders then deciding the basics – the feel and firmness you want in a mattress, what materials or options you do or don’t want (like ‘no coils’) You are on the good track. Let us know how far you go and we’ll be happy to make additional comments on any of the mattresses you are considering.

Basilio
08 Jun 2022 19:32
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Hi az333, and welcome to The Mattress Underground :)
Glad to have you here.

My partner and I are looking for a new king sized mattress and could really use some help. We are both tall (5’11 and 6’3) and both around 210-220 pounds. We’ve been doing some research, but are having a hard time finding the best option for our needs. Our main needs are:
1. excellent edge support (we both tend to sleep close to the edge and sit on it often)
2. minimal heat retention (we both sleep very hot and often get sweaty/wake up from being hot)
3. pretty firm (like a 7-8 on a scale of 1-10).
As far as sleep styles, we both toss and turn in the night so it’s important that we’re able to move around easily

A new mattress is an important purchase, and its’ good you are taking the time to take a look at your options since this is your first mattress. Any mattress is unique to the sleepers who sleep on it, and is based on your stats (height, BMI, sleeping position(s) and any underlying health conditions, if any), and your PPP(Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). Thanks for providing you and your partners’ stats – you don’t say if you have any health issues or soreness on waking, but that you did not like the feel of the memory foam mattress you tried in a store.

First you may want to take a look at the mattress shopping tutorial to get an idea of what your options are, as well as the mattress specifications you need to know , and also the mattress durability guidelines to see how different components hold up over time. Both a hybrid latex and an all latex bed in firm or medium firm won’t present durability issues given your higher BMIs. So that’s a good direction thus far in terms of durability.

We’ve recently tried a memory foam mattress in store and really didn’t like it because of the restricted mobility and feeling like we were sinking into the mattress. I also prefer my mattress to have a bit of bounce otherwise it just feels dead to me.
(Side note: we’re both heavy sleepers so the whole motion isolation thing is not really a priority for us)Other than that, I primarily sleep on my stomach/side and he primarily sleeps on his back/side but we both prefer firm mattresses. We like feeling like we’re on top of the mattress rather than “in” it if that makes sense.

You have already identified some materials that you likely want to avoid, like memory foam, and as you are not concerned with motion isolation, you can likely not be concerned with a zoned latex. Since you both sleep very ‘hot’ you will want to look for mattresses that have a breathable layer closest to the sleepers – like cotton, wool, or coconut coir – to keep perspiration from gathering around your bodies while you sleep. As you both prefer firm mattresses, a firmer ILD latex mattress, or a hybrid with quality high density foam, along with a pocketed coil innerspring base with edge support, since you spend a lot of time on your bed besides sleeping, and you both prioritize firmness, this may be worth looking at.

We were able to try the saatva zenhaven in store and we really liked the firm side of it, but we felt like we should continue searching to see if there’s anything better for the money (it was $3k for the zenhaven). I was considering a custom latex mattress from flexus, but I’m concerned that an all latex mattress will not have good enough edge support. Currently, I’m mainly considering a latex/coil hybrid but can’t decide which brand to go for. I see that flexus, AP, sleepez and saatva have similar options but don’t know which would be best for our needs. I’m also willing to consider any other brand as long as it’under $3k. Do you have any recommendations? Would a latex/coil hybrid even be the best choice?
I also would like to note that when I’m at home, I spend a majority of the time on my bed (both sitting and laying down). I sometimes even do meetings from my bed, so it’s not just for sleep.

I took a look at the Saatva ZenHaven, which is a 10” flippable Latex mattress with a ‘plush’ side and a ‘luxury firm’ side. Latex is naturally more breathable than any other type of foams layers in between the latex layers but even though they do not list the thicknesses or (ILD – Indentation Layer Deflection, the higher the ILD the firmer the latex) so I’d make sure to get the comfort level to match up with your needs and that is approximating Saatva you tried. I am glad you both prefer firmer sleeping surfaces as those would be most appropriate for your stomach sleeping and your partner’s back sleeping. Additionally, firmer sleeping surfaces would sleep cooler as you won’t sink in too much and trap the body heat thus creating a hotter and more humid sleeping microclimate. Firmer surfaces will also help with sitting on the edge or mattress roll off. . You may want to look at these few readings about Sleeping style , and Higher BMI people . There is also more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range., for more relevant details, but all in all you are on the right track with everything. Saatva uses a proprietary 100% natural Dunlop latex which is a little firmer than Talalay latex in the same ILD. So that’s a good choice of a material as well. Latex is a little lower on the scale when it comes to motion isolation than memory foam but that is not important criteria for you.

For a 3k budget – you should be able to find a lot of offerings under that price. The other manufacturers you mention – Flexus Comfort , Arizona Premium and Arizona SleepEZ Factory are all trusted members of the site, and all are transparent regarding the materials and construction of their mattresses but above all they have great customer support and help to find the best comfort option that would be a perfect fit for you both sleepers. . If you can provide them with a little information, and the concerns stated above, they will strive to match you with a mattress that suits you both and will last a long time. In the end, though, keep in mind that only you and your partner can determine what works for you. To address the edge support issue, you may want to read this Phoenix post here .

Because of its point elasticity though ... those who sit on the very outside edge a lot (instead of sitting with your body weight more into the middle of the mattress) or who sleep with more concentrated weight on the outside few inches of their mattress may find themselves sinking down more than they like even though this isn't normally an issue when sleeping on the mattress. For those who prefer a firmer edge then there are a few latex mattresses that use what's called a "racetrack" perimeter where the outer few inches of the latex support core is surrounded with a firmer foam. Unfortunately, most of the time this firmer foam is a much less durable (but firmer) polyfoam which will soften and break down sooner than the latex and what starts out as a positive can become a negative over time (depending on the density of the polyfoam this can sometimes be a fairly short time). Because of this it would be much better to use firmer latex in those cases where perimeter support is preferred rather than less durable polyfoam but this is an uncommon construction for latex.
In most cases though ... a latex support layer that is firm enough relative to body weight of the person sleeping on the mattress will be fine for most people.

I am not sure if any of our trusted members provide edge support on their products, but if you are set on that, you can call any of them and inquire...for example, members DIY Mattress and also Latex Mattress Factory botth are experienced with providing custom latex mattresses, so they may be a good place to start.

I wish you success on your mattress journey!

Basilio
02 Jun 2022 14:24
  • NikkiTMU
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Hi Pleg10.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum :)

Sorry to hear of the collapsing grid system in your Purple. Do you happen to know if the 3" grid (buckling column gel) and the springs are glued together? That would be the first assessment to make as separating layers can be a nightmare.

It sounds like you enjoy the feel of memory foam based on your history, but you'll have to be diligent about purchasing a memory foam that has adequate durability (a density of at least 4 lb per cubic foot).

could I buy foam in queen size and cut it to fit inside?


Could you preserve the existing foam or does it have to be replaced?

I’m thinking 1 inch of firm-ish latex, with 2 inches of dense gel infused memory foam on top


You'll be hard pressed to find 1" of latex on the commercial market that isn't a topper. You may be better off going for 3" of memory foam. Is there a reason you're looking at gel infused specifically? You might wish to look at the configuration of Ghostbed mattresses for some inspiration. There are quite a few DIYers here in the forum, although I think most are experienced with latex. If anyone has any expertise with memory foam, I do hope they chime in.

You may also wish to reach out to forum experts like Arizona Premium and Memory Foam Comfort with your DIY questions!

NikkiTMU
29 May 2022 11:02
  • swedish
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Hi NikkiTMU, thanks so much for the feedback!

Firmness is ultimately determined by coil gauge. The lower the number, the thicker the coil, and therefore the firmer the mattress. 12 would be the thickest you can usually find, ranging up to 15 gauge.


According to the listing for the combi-zone coils , the coil guages are "16g narrow diameter perimeter coils. 17g narrow diameter coils through center 1/3 and 14g larger diameter coils on both sides of center 1/3.", which doesn't fall in the 12 to 15 range you specify. But what I gather from reading some posts from APM, even though the perimeter and center coils are higher guage, because they are narrow diameter there are more of them close together, which causes them to actually be firmer than the 14 guage?

However, after trying to get more info on the coil guage for the combi-zone coils, I'm now concerned that zoned coils may not be right for me. I tried to get more information on some other alternatives, but it's hard to find coil gauge specs. It sounds like my next best bet may be the 6" Quantum Edge Elite Bolsa, however I can only find the 8 inch version . Are those coils not available in 6 inch anymore?

I did also find the caliber edge coils . Those are 13.75 guage, but I found another post saying that it's the least firm of the three? It's so confusing :S

Also, are there really no other options than combi-zone, QE bolsa, and caliber edge?
27 May 2022 06:34
  • blackdog578
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Thanks for the reply! I was actually able to recently try out a few latex mattresses at an Avocado and Saatva showroom. It was my first time on a latex mattress and they were all really nice. I also found that, after sleeping on a Tempurdic the past few years, I really enjoy any mattress that isn't too plush (anything above from 5.5-7.5 on the firmness scale).

I'm leaning more towards the Nolah mattress since the current price ($1200 for a queen with labor day sale) seems really great given the materials used to make the mattress.
I was also considering getting the Avocado Eco since it felt great too and I was considering buying the egg-crate 2" topper from flobeds separately.

I notice that Nolah and Avocado aren't in the Trusted Members. I was wondering if you or anyone else has any knowledge with the quality of these two companies? It looks Avocado and Nolah both use a great set of materials when making the bed (organic wool, cotton, and natural latex), and the Avocado mattresses seamed to have a good build quality when I tested them out. I was wondering if you or anyone else reading this has any long term experiences with the two brands.

Also for the Talalay latex topper (if I choose the avocado mattress) is there any noticeable difference between an egg-crate topper for the talalay latex? I noticed that I can buy a regular 2" talalay latex topper from Latex Mattress factory (with a cover) for about $100 less or from Arizona Premium (with cover) for about $200 less.

Also, I want to consistently back-sleep just for general back and shoulder health. I've had a few shoulder injuries from lifting, and sleeping on my stomach sometimes aggravates them. I just have a tough time falling asleep on my back, and I was planning on getting an adjustable base to help with this.

Thanks for the help!
25 May 2022 06:27
  • blackdog578
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Hi everyone, I'm currently in the process of getting a new mattress (queen size just for myself). I'm also planning on getting the DreamCloud’s Adjustable Bed Frame to help me get off of stomach sleeping.

Some of my stats - male in mid twenties, 5'9", and I weigh around 160-165 lbs. I'm a combo sleeper, and the main sleeping position that I take up depends on the mattress .However, I rarely fall asleep on my back, which I want to address. I also sleep very hot, and I'm really looking for a mattress that will keep me cool. I also have some shoulder problems (stiffness or slight pain from lifting).

From about 10-22 I slept on a traditional box spring pillow top mattress. My sleep was always "ok" nothing crazy.
The last couple of years I've been sleeping on a Tempurpedic that I got from my grandfather. For some reason I can only fall asleep on my stomach in this bed, and it sleeps really hot. I wouldn't say it's comfortable, and based on my experience with the bed I can say that I don't enjor memory foam.
I've slept on a twin purple mattress (Purple 1) at my parent's house the past 4-5 days and it has been fairly nice, however, there is not much support when I stomach sleep and as a result I tend to sleep on my side.

I've been researching into latex and latex hybrid mattresses. They seem to have a nice blend of a support and breathability, but I've never slept on a latex mattress before. I also recently went to a Mattress firm to try out a latex hybrid that they had on show to get a feel for latex. The bed was comfy, it was 1" of Talalay latex over pocketed coils with a wool/cotton top. Compared to the mattress brands that I've found here, it seems that the Kingsdown mattress was really overpriced, and had less quality material as well. I also tried out the Purple Hybrid 3 at the MattressFirm too, which was comfortable.

So far I've been looking into the following beds/brands online:
Luma - all natural hybrid and all natural latex. I was considering the 3" Talalay topper in medium
Arizona Premium - Hybrid and all latex. I was considering the 3" Talalay topper as well.
Flobeds - 12" deluxe. I was intrigued by there egg-carton topper and was wondering if anyone can comment on their experience with it (is it similar to purple grid due to the egg carton structure?). From their survey I picked a medium bed.
Nolah - Nolah Natural 11. Seems like an overall solid mattress, but doesn't offer the ability to swap out any of the latex.
Purple Hybrid 3. I enjoyed this mattress when I tried it at the MattressFirm. My concerns are that I won't like it 2-3 months down the road (I've seen some reviews of people not liking their purple after some time). Similar to Nolah, there's no flexibility in the topper.

I'm having a tough time deciding between a latex, latex hybrid, and purple mattress. If anyone here has any advice / guidance that would be great!
19 May 2022 23:36
  • phoenix
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Hi MetalHead671.

The couch is making me wake up with sore shoulders and lower back!
I also have scoliosis coupled with my mechanic job that has me coming home with sore shoulder, back and knees so something that's supportive yet has pressure relief would be preferred.

Thanks for the additional info. Generally, “lower-back pain” in the morning tends to be alignment (deep support) related, but this may not necessarily be the only thing at play. I am guessing that the couch is also lacking the appropriate comfort level to allow for pressure relief, especially in the shoulder area. All of which makes an assessment more difficult to separate the causes, between scoliosis and your current sleeping setup, for the best comfort-support balance you'd do best with. (If you want to read ahead on this topic there are some general guidelines as to what tends to cause back pain in post #2 here that you may find interesting)

I want to say that on paper, I'm leaning towards something latex especially if I have the option to replace layers if I need to adjust the feel. I'm open to high quality polyfoam options if they're worth trying out.

I'd lean towards latex as it has an unusual ability to be both supportive and soft at the same time. With your scoliosis condition, it becomes especially important to find the best balance between pressure relief and support/alignment (along the length of your spine) for your side sleeping position. Alignment/support is the most important thing that a mattress does for you, so you'll always want to choose something that doesn't allow for too much accentuation of your lateral curvatures when side sleeping. Generally, you'd want something with "just enough" surface plushness to assist with contouring for your shoulders and hips. I wouldn't be able to tell you how much that would be, as there are so many variables involved, including your body type, level of sensitivity, and of course your back issues.

As buying locally is not an option the next best thing is to get an online customizable latex mattress with zippered cover from a reputable manufacturer, with a good trial/return or layer exchange policy in case things don't go as well as you hoped for. Here are a few suggestions to look at but you'd need to check on their return and trial policies. I'd consider a Talalay comfort layer for more on top of the Dunlop latex transition and base layer. (Talalay is considered to be more pressure relieving than Dunlop because it allows for a deeper cradle in the same ILD)
To start you off I made a very short list of products that would meet your criteria, but I'd take a closer look at Trusted Members of the site for more options.
Arizona Premium has a (9") Queen Naturalux latex mattress I'd call Ken and ask for his firmness recommendations for your specific condition if you prefer to use a Pocket spring for your base layer, this is also a good option and you may want to go DIY route using Ken's expertise.
Arizona SleepEZ also has a highly customizable Natural Latex Mattress and Organic Latex Mattres s of different thicknesses that you may want to have a look at. They also have a Hybrid-latex version.
Biosleep Concept Versailles Latex Mattress is also worth looking at.
Mattress Makers has quite a few options depending on the mattress height you'd like. Here is their CORONADO MEDIUM
Foam Sweet Foam's Urban Green Mattress is highly customizable.

In your case whatever mattress you chose I'd keep in mind that your body will need to relearn, adjust, and regain a more relaxed state where the muscles are not tensing in order to compensate for any misalignment or discomfort.
Let us know of your progress. and if you have additional questions.
Phoenix
14 May 2022 20:04
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Hi yloc88.
Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

we are in frequent pain and never feel well rested after sleep
We currently sleep on a Nest Bedding Alexander Signature Hybrid Mattress, Split King style (Medium and Plush), this after having tried them in store. They were fine for the first 1-2 years, but since have been causing more and more issues.

I am sorry to hear that you are losing the ability to get a restful and restorative night's sleep. As a learning point to move forward from it would be wise to determine any of the overlapping causes that cause lower back pains to you and shoulder and neck pains for your wife. From what you describe it sounds like you both have some preexisting conditions which you'd need to take into account when putting together your DIY mattress. As health care workers you've most likely determined if the current mattress is also contributing to your pains. Telltales signs of this could be ...pains attenuating during the day; pains persistent during the night and the point when and if they increase in intensity. If you are not sure you could do a visual assessment for each other to see if your spinal alignment is “neutral” when you lie down in your primary sleeping positions?

What we really need help with at this time is determining the rest of the bed. We would like to have a thick mattress since our bedframe is kind of low. We are pretty sure about the top 9" comfort layers above, unless someone else has any suggestions/input. For the support layers we are deciding between:
1. 7" HD foam
2. 7" of stacked latex layers, either (6"+1") or (2"+2"+3") I would like all talalay, but don't really understand if there is any real benefit to that in our support layers under our preferred comfort layers

It looks like you gave it a great deal of thought to your DIY but here is some more food for thought
I question the need to have a 16” mattress. I understand you’d like the mattress to be higher off the floor but there are better ways of achieving this without paying a premium price for expensive foams or latex to play the role of elevating the bed. For example, you may consider placing another module on your existing bed frame, unless you have esthetic considerations as well.

You both have normal BMIs so not much thickness is necessary to achieve optimum comfort and support. You can read about the effect of thickness in post #14 here >

The main benefit of a thicker latex mattress (or any mattress that uses similar materials) is that it can be more adaptable for heavier weights and multiple sleeping positions. It will compress from softer to firmer more gradually which means that there is more "range" of compression without the mattress becoming too firm for heavier weights (or parts of the body). A thicker mattress can also be part of a specific design that requires it such as some types of zoning or layering that needs more layers to accomplish the design goal of the mattress. It can even just be a matter of preference rather than "need".

Thickness and softness work together and because thicker layers (or mattresses) can have a greater range of compression and are more "adaptable" ... it's also possible to use firmer top layers in a thicker mattress and still have good pressure relief because of the greater range of compression of the thicker mattress which can create a mattress with a firmer "surface feel" but that still provides good pressure relief and adapts well to the body contours.

With a 16” mattress the firmness of the upper layers would need to go up. All the layers of a mattress actually compress simultaneously, not sequentially, and they will each compress to different percentages of their thickness depending on their position on the mattress, the firmness of each layer, the compression modulus of the material, the thickness of each layer, and the compression force that they are exposed to (which depends on the weight of the part of the body in contact with the mattress and the surface area that is bearing that weight which is constantly changing as you sink into the mattress more or change sleep positions). So your body weight will “reach” the bottom layer, but the resulting comfort will only be determined through your own personal testing, which is part of the fun (and for some people part of the “pain”) of a DIY design.

“ #1. 7" HD foam” ~ as a base would be less expensive especially if its role in the DIY build is to use it mainly to elevate the other layers it has the advantage of placing it in the same cover, as long as the IFD is firm enough to not detract from the 9” build you’ve put together thus far.
for latex (quite expensive) only to use it as a support layer, and you’d need to go x-firm with the bottom layer

2. 7" of stacked latex layers, either (6"+1") or (2"+2"+3") I would like all talalay, but don't really understand if there is any real benefit to that in our support layers under our preferred comfort layers

also can work as well (all other considerations still stand) but this has the advantage that multiple layers can be rearranged (or exchanged) is that there are more layering combinations possible for changing and fine-tuning the performance and feel of the mattress but in many cases, this wouldn't be necessary and in some cases can lead to a level of complexity that can make predicting how the layers interact more difficult (see post #2 here )

There is no real benefit in using Talalay in the support layer of your mattress. in fact, the preferred use for a support layer is Dunlop latex as it is denser in the same ILD and more supportive. Talalay process is also more expensive than Dunlop in the same ILD

Your choice of Talalay over Dunlop for your comfort layers is a matter of preference. Talalay is considered to be more "springy" or "lively" than Dunlop because you will generally sink in deeper which means there is more up and down "movement" or "ride" with Talalay and it springs back more strongly and quickly. This creates a different "feel" between the two materials and is also why Talalay is often considered to be more pressure relieving than Dunlop because it allows for a deeper cradle in the same ILD ... while Dunlop is considered to be more supportive because it doesn't compress as deeply with greater weight ... all else (including ILD) being equal of course. it would likely not have a noticeable difference in how the mattress feels as long as you have matched the comfort layers to your specific needs.

To sum it up the overall thickness of a mattress that is either "needed" or "preferred" would depend on the combinations of the layers and components that are needed to achieve the design goal of the mattress and provide the PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) that can best match each person and their unique body type, sleeping positions, and preferences.

My wife has only ever slept coils and prefers that because she is afraid she will not like an all-latex bed, but I have only found 8" and that wouldn't fit in the mattress cover

If your wife wants to stick to the familiar feel of a coil base layer, rather than layered latex….is again a matter of personal preference; an innerspring coil base will generally impart extra cradling, but the deeper within the mattress the coil is the less you’ll be able to notice it and with the zoned latex layers, your wife’s low BMI and the fact you both primarily sleep on your sides, your wife could be equally comfortable with either a coil unit, the layered latex or foam support base.

There are many 6” coil units available that you may want to lock at for example a Leggett & Platt Caliber Edge 6” coil Base which might be suitable for your build if you decide to go that direction. Arizona Premium Mattress also has a Quanutm Edge Elite that comes both in 8” and 6” thickness.

Sounds like you and your wife have done a good amount of research into a replacement mattress. An all-latex DIY build will certainly provide you with long-term durable comfort as you are customizing it to fit both of your needs.

I would certainly contact Dewey at FloBeds and ask them which option they think is best as a support base under the 9” build thus far.

You have made a good choice with the vZone]Talalay latex layers
you are most likely aware that FloBeds are one of the Trusted Members of the site which means that I think highly of and consider them to be among the best in the industry. They have a extensive experience in matching consumers with sleeping solutions, and they also have a dedicated forum page here With their 100 night trial period as well as a 20-year policy to allow you to exchange layers for a discounted rate you are in good hands.

Hope these few considerations help you with the fine-tuning of your DIY.
Good luck and let us know what is your final decision.
Phoenix
14 May 2022 14:12
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thank you phoenix! that was quite helpful.
i am 5'3" and a female. my bed is super soft and my hips sinking down has been messing my low back up (probably misaligning my spine)

i visited fairfield ensley mattress co and it was great! i think latex is the way to go. i tried a spring topped with 3 inches of latex but my favorite was the pure talalay bliss that had a 8-9 inch core and a 4 inch latex topper. the coil topped was about 2200 and the pure latex was 5200. probably worth it but a lot to spend...

i am currently trying to decide!

i am also wondering if an online option is better. i want to support local but see that arizona premium mattress may make an all latex for much less.
10 May 2022 12:44
  • SherryBin309
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Karia,
I’m a little older than you but about the same weight and struggle with sciatica and also shoulder pain. In 2014 we did a DIY latex mattress based largely on information and resources found on The Mattress Underground. Thank you, Phoenix! Once we had found a good layer setup for alignment a lot of my back problems went away but I was still having hip pain — side sleeper, here — which I attributed to the need for pressure relief there. At the time, Sleep Like a Bear sold 1” layers of 15 ILD Celsion latex (Talalay with some cooling properties, I think) and I bought one that was a couple of inches short at a good discount. It helped tremendously. About 18 months later I had further hip pain and bought another one at full price. Good again! In 2018 the hip pain was back and I eventually bought another inch of 15 ILD Celsion. In all cases, I just added the new layer on top of the rest of the mattress inside a very stretchy cover.
The last couple of years I’ve lost weight and begun to have lower back pain on waking. Long story short, I probably should have been replacing the old inch of very soft latex with a new one instead of just adding on to the mattress. A few weeks ago I took the mattress apart and it looks like all three of those thin, very soft layers have softened a great deal where we sleep. You can’t really see it on just one, because they are so thin, but with all 3 stacked, the body impressions are clear. And removing those pieces altogether felt pretty good for my lower back and my alignment is much better now. But, as of last night, the old hip pain is back so I’m looking for another thin topper,
Just something to keep that in mind if you are able to find a 1”, very soft piece of latex, it won’t last forever. Latex is very durable, but maybe the very soft pieces, sliced thinly, wear faster than average.
Unfortunately, Sleep Like a Bear no longer sells Talalay latex and I know from experience Dunlop won’t be comfortable for me in the top layer, so I’m also interested in what you find. So far I see that Saatva sells a 1.5” latex topper. They told me via chat today that the ILD range is 12-16 and it has a 180 day trial period and would be returnable if it was not comfortable. I also see that Plushbeds has a 2” very soft latex topper on sale this week but it is not returnable. The sale price is not significantly better than the price at Arizona Premium Mattress, but shipping might be faster.
I have found no 1” latex toppers on offer and only the Saatva one at 1.5”. It is very pricey, but I may end up going for it if nothing else turns up soon.
10 May 2022 12:35
  • BillyIdol
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Look into something adjustable.

1-Flobed Vzone...infinitely flexible. Latex. Im not a fan of latex, but don't let that stop you.
2-Flexus Comfort 13 inch mattress. Latex with 4 ...3 inch layers of latex that can be modified. You get 1 core exchange. King size? $1984. I actually went there to lay on the beds. All latex for you is definitely the was to go over the latex hybrid. All latex gives you 4 layers to manipulate.
3-Arizona Premium...latex. Call them up to see what they say.

I like VZone for you because you have a the top layer Vzone that is adjustable which is perfect for you. I think the Tempurpedic Pro Adapt Medium might work well for you. I thought the Pro Adapt Medium was so sumptuous and luxurious. Its not for me because I weigh 225 and you weight 165. I sank too far into it. I guess you can try Costco beds because of the return policy...all it costs you is time.

Dark horse entry would be Intellibed Matrix Supreme (soft). They have a whole series of 5 Matrix beds. The "Supreme" surname changes....for example Matrix Deluxe. It was hard to decide between the 5 Matrix Intellibed beds. But the sales guy at Mathis Brothers (Ontario, California) stated that the Intellibed Matrix Supreme was the bestseller in the Intellibed line. Supposedly, Intellibed can be firm and soft at the same time. Purple beds are a derivative of Intellibed. Some here hate Purple Bed.....but only your opinion matters.

I was not sold on the Intellibed buckling gel matrix and felt that Tempurpedic was better for me.

When you try your mattresses, try to test them all in the same day. Go back several times to a store even if you get irritating.

I will extrapolate to make an educated guess....go with Flobeds Vzone or Tempurpedic....but do what you want and try them all. Ignore all reviews and opinions including mine.


John
10 May 2022 11:00
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Look up my thread "Dont be cheap with mattresses".

Im as cheap and frugal as they come, but I don't skimp on beds. Lets say your ideal mattress is $4300. and you go cheap and get a less than ideal mattress for $3500. Now you have a back ache. Now you have to go out and buy the $4300 mattress too. Now you have spent $7800. It is better to go with ideal mattress right off the bat and spend $4300. In the long run, $4300 is cheap. Don't have the money? Get a loan or do DoorDash.

I did go over to Flexus Comfort and their latex mattresses are amazing. They can do split king. I think split king was $1984 and they might even have Memorial Day sale.

Flobed Vzone had Cinco De Mayo sale on King Vzone. Normally $4200, but $800 of with sale brings it to $3400. What is there to think about? You are only out $200 (shipping) and you have unlimited latex core switch outs. I guess Arizona Premium is good too from what I have read. Im not a fan of latex personally, but it works for others.

The Purple beds are a poor man's version of the Intellibeds. Purple 4 did not work for me, but you should check it out for yourself. The buckling gel columns seems great for side sleepers. Recommendation ? Purple Hybrid 3 or Purple Hybrid (2). Im not a fan of technology anymore, but you might like it. Just because I (or anyone else) like it or hate it...ignore that. Try it yourself. Im a back sleeper.

I love Tempurpedic myself. Pro Adapt Medium, Pro Adapt Medium Hybrid, Pro Adapt Soft, Luxe Adapt Soft. I like Pro Adapt Firm and Luxe Adapt Firm myself. Some here say Tempurpedic is terrible....that may or may not be true. Try it yourself. My opinion? I feel that Tempurpedic is absolutely heavenly and so different from anything else that I have felt. The absolute best in memory foam. I visited a few mattress stores and the only brand that was carried in every store was Tempurpedic. There must be a reason. I know that consensus is often wrong, but is it wrong every time? Im a huge Tempurpedic fan.


Let me know what you get.

John
09 May 2022 23:20
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Hi karia,

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I am a 60 yrs old, 106 lb female with sciatica and hip pain. I sleep on a Stearns & Foster mattress which is about ten years old but still in a good condition. I need a topper to soften the surface. I was thinking of a 1" soft talalay latex topper. I checked Amazon offerings but they are mostly dunlap. I've read that talalay provides more cushioning.

The good news is that you can always s make a mattress that feels too firm a little softer by adding a topper. The choice of material is good too as both Talalay and Dunlop latex have great pressure-relieving qualities but also provide additional secondary support for the recessed areas of your body. Latex has an unusual combination of surface softness and deeper firmness/support that comes from its elasticity, and can certainly be an effective way to add some additional "cushioning". Toppers are designed to add comfort to a mattress that does not sag but is too firm and needs some pressure relief qualities. When you use a topper over a mattress the topper will compress and in combination with the layers below it will take on the shape of your body profile. Softer toppers will compress more than firmer toppers. This "cradle" formed by the upper layers re-distributes weight away from the pressure points of the body.

Sometimes choosing a topper can be as difficult as choosing a mattress as it takes a bit of trial and error to dial in and find the exact combo of support/comfort best for your needs. If you need just a bit of “cushioning”, then 1” of Talalay might be all thickness you’d need, but before you decide on how much thickness and what comfort level do you need (soft, medium soft, medium, firm etc.) you’d take into account a few other factors to select the appropriate thickness/firmness for your needs and preferences and for mitigating your sciatica and hip pain.

You did not mention your primary sleeping position, nor your height, but if you are a side sleeper you may need a bit more thickness for your topper. There is more information about choosing a topper in post #2 here and the topper guidelines it links to, which along with a conversation with a reliable and knowledgeable supplier (that can provide you with good information about how their toppers compare to each other or to other toppers they are familiar with that are available on the market), can help.

Please I need your expertise, help me to find an online store with a good return policy.

In general, a good starting point for a good comfort layer for a side sleeper is 3" and then depending on weight, body shape, preferences, and the firmness of the support layers, to go up or down from there. Most side sleepers will fall in the range of from 2" - 4".

Toppers, like mattresses, are a comfort choice , so your preferences for components, fabrications, thickness, etc. will all factor into your selection. Here are a few important guidelines
~ If the mattress needs just a "touch to a little" extra softness or a softer "surface feel" ... then a 1" topper is usually enough.
~ If you need a little to a fair bit of extra softness and pressure relief ... then a 2" topper would be in the average range. Given that you are lighter this may prove to be a good option for you.
~ Generally Heavier weights do better with firmer and thicker toppers. Lighter weights generally do best with softer and thinner toppers.

At a quick glance I could find some of our trusted members that offer latex topers, but most of the Talalay toppers that are offered come in 2”-4” thickness. You may consider giving the manufacturers a call to see if they would be willing to slice a topper for you to fit your desired thickness, or enquire if perhaps they would have some other unlisted options that may be of help to you. Just in case you are reconsidering the topper material from Talalay to Dunlop I also listed some manufacturers who offer 1” Dunlop toppers..
DIY Natural Bedding has a latex calculator and it seems that it offers the 1" thickness option for organic Dunlop latex.
My Green Mattress has a 1’ Dunlop topper
DIY Mattress has 2” or 3” NR Talalay & Dunlop toppers
diymattress.com/product/talalay-topper/
Arizona Premium 2” or 3” Talalay & Dunlop toppers
Flexus Comfort has 2 and 3” toppers
Foam Sweet Foam Has 3” toppers both Talalay and Dunlop
Latex Mattress Factory 2” or 3” toppers
Luma Sleep has 2"& 3" Talalay and Dunlop toppers.
Naturally Nestled has both NR and Organic Dunlop toppers in 2" & 3" thickness, with a very good return policy.
Sleep EZ has 2” or 3” NR Talalay & Dunlop toppers

No matter what you end up selecting, I'd make sure to ask the company about the topper's return policy as some of the retailers/manufacturers do not accept topper returns or exchanges.

Once you get a chance to peruse the information and links mentioned above I’d make sure to check out our Trusted Members here Most have good quality toppers and I have no doubt that they will not hesitate to help you find the best combo and thickness/softness they have available that works for you. As you may have gathered, It usually takes a bit of trial and error and a bit of time spent on the mattress to ensure that you "dialed in" the best mattress/topper combination suitable for you. I’d make sure that whatever you chose has a good exchange policy as you won’t be able to take your new mattress with you to a shop to test the mattress/topper combination as they do not work in isolation.

I hope this helps and let me know if you have more questions and I’ll do my best to assist you.
Phoenix
22 Apr 2022 19:21
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I am 6'3", 180 lbs. Side/stomach sleeper.

I want to build a hybrid mattress. My first draft:

Legget and Platt 8" Combi-Zone Pocket Coil
2" Foambymail Dunlop Medium Topper (29 ILD)2" foambymail.com Dunlop topper (ILD 29)
Arizona Premium Mattress 2" All Natural Talalay Latex Topper
or
2 " Blended Talalay Latex Mattress Topper

I'm torn between the 2 top layers. I assume I'll need to go with the soft talalay due to being a side sleeper. I've read that the 8" Combi-Zone makes for a very firm base. I like a firm mattress but like I want to be comfortable on my side, but able to sleep on my stomach without sinking in too much. Open to suggestions.

Should I go with a firmer transition layer? From what I gather, a 29 ILD Dunlop is still fairly firm. So I thought that would give a good middle ground.

Is a medium talalaly layer ever used for side sleepers or would that be too firm?
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