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Searched for: Amerisleep Americana
06 Sep 2017 13:14
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Hi whitesox20,

I will also state that Dreamfoams customer service was excellent.


I’m glad to hear that. I think highly of the service they offer.

Looking heavily at T&N now. Given that they use to be a member, you think highly of their Company right? Is that high performance polyfoam going to offer adequate support and pressure relief for most people in your opinion? I'm someone who has back issues.


I haven't spoken with Daehee and JT in some time, but regardless my commentary would still be directed to the componentry within the mattresses, which you can find in the simplified choice thread here . The T&N uses 3” of 2.8 lb high performance polyfoam over a 7” 1.8 lb polyfoam core.

I can’t predict via an online forum if a product will accommodate your comfort preferences, especially someone with a pre-existing low back problem, as there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved in choosing a mattress for someone else to make specific suggestions based on specs (either yours or a mattress) or theory at a distance that can possible be more accurate than your own careful and objective testing. In general, the material used in this mattress would be adequate in density for someone in your BMI range.

The only things detering me from T&N right now is the stigma around the possible fictious Amazon reviews and the fact that this mattress was engineered by 2 computer software engineers. Doesn't seem like they would have the expertise to design a mattress and know what's best for ones health. Would you have any insight on either of these things? Either one doesn't mean it's not an excellent mattress I suppose as well.


Again, as I discussed in my reply to you after your first post here, I don’t suggest placing stock in reviews, pro or con. I suggest you focus instead upon componentry. The genesis of T&N is well documented all over the internet, including on their own web site. Some of the boxed bed companies are designed by what I would term “mattress people”, and other companies are founded by people outside of the industry who contract with people familiar with mattresses to design their products for them. In the end, you need to evaluate the specifications of the product itself.

I've done a ridiculous amount of research to try to stay in the 500-650 range but I'm almost thinking I just need to spend more around 1000 and get something like an amerialeep.


You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

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11 Jun 2017 19:21
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Hi anabelian,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Hopefully this is the right place to post this!


Yes, your post location is just fine. :cheer:

My husband and I are moving from Manhattan to New Jersey and need a bed on arrival. We're very willing to order online if the specs are right, but this site has made me rethink getting the Amerisleep Liberty.


I think that you may have already found this, but you can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

I’ll address some of your questions directly, but much of what you’re asking has to do with “what” to select, and I focus more on the “how” to select. Let me post some general information first on guidance for selecting a mattress.

The first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well he will sleep), durability (how long he will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

Outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

As it seems that you may be in a bit of a time crunch with your impending move, you may wish to focus on the simplified manner of choosing the "best possible" mattress. This comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

BMI over 30


A higher BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially). This could be firmer latex or innersprings (the type of support component would be a personal preference and in the right design either could be suitable) or even a zoned construction. The same overall guidelines apply with higher weights though that PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) along with using high quality durable materials that will maintain their feel and performance for longer periods of time are the way to make the best choices. Heavier people in general will need firmer and thicker comfort layers and firmer support layers than those who are lighter and because no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components is even more important than normal. I wouldn't "rule out" any types of mattress and base your choices on your own personal testing. Post #3 here has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading.

Higher BMI ranges will need more durable materials and components in a mattress and in a BMI range of 30 or higher I would include any 1.8 lb polyfoam or 4 lb memory foam as a "lower quality/density" material (relative to a higher BMI only) and minimize their use to a total of "about an inch or so or less" in the mattress.

Polyurethane foam: If your mattress is one sided then I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher. If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 1.8 lbs per cubic foot or higher.

Memory foam (or gel memory foam): If your mattress is one sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot.

Side sleepers/occasional back sleepers who get hip pain/tingly arms


Shoulder and arm issues can come from many sources, such as a mattress that is too firm and puts direct pressure on the shoulders, the shoulder blades, or on the back muscles and can also cause soreness or numbness and tingling in the arms. It can often come from postural issues, or is sometimes unfortunately can be an issue associated with a higher BMI. Shoulder issues can also come from sleeping in the same position for a longer period of time than normal. If the mattress is too firm, then if you sleep on your side your shoulders may not sink in enough to relieve pressure and your upper body can "twist" away from the pressure so your upper body is "twisted" more forward while the lower body is still on its side. This spinal twisting or torsion can twist the spine in the upper body and lead to soreness in the area of the twist. There is some much more detailed information, including some sleeping postural tips, on shoulder and arm issues in posts #2 and #3 here .

I would also make sure that your pillow is the proper thickness to keep your neck in a more neutral alignment. Using a body pillow can be a good thing and resting your free arm upon that can be helpful. Placing a pillow behind you to slightly lean against can also take a bit of stress off of your shoulder joint area.

Like Heavenly Beds in the hotels. Won't buy another pillowtop due to sagging.


Most “hotel mattresses” tend to be firmer overall, with softer “top of bed” products. Having firmer deep support would make sense for someone with a higher BMI. Regarding pillowtops, they are a construction process and not a comfort designation. If you had a mattress sag and it was tailored as a pillowtop, this sagging was most likely due to the lower density foams used within the pillowtop panel, although some manufactures do a poor job of constructing their pillowtops as well.

Used to love Beautyrest 10 years ago. The recent ones don't feel nearly the same.


I wouldn’t focus much on the brand name, as you want to focus more upon the componentry inside of the product. Unfortunately, the major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here ).

Don't like when beds leave impressions for more than a few seconds. Fast bounce-back time is a must.


Latex will be the most resilient (best “bounce-back”) of the foams, followed by true high-resiliency polyfoam, and then high density polyfoam. If you end up selecting a product using memory foam, you’d want to specify something that was faster-responding and also something that was less temperature sensitive impacting the viscous nature of the foam.

Motion isolation and edge support are important.


Memory foam would be the best foam at deadening motion. Latex also is good at this, but not as good as memory foam. A combination of either with a pocketed coil spring unit can also do quite a good job at deadening motion (see post #18 here ). All the layers and components in a mattress will have some effect on the feel and performance of all the other layers and the mattress "as a whole" so the best way to test for motion isolation is your own careful testing on a mattress using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post (with both of you on the mattress) because a mattress that may be "motion isolating enough" for one couple may not be as suitable for another couple that is more sensitive. The bed frame/platform base you use will also impact motion transfer. The more solid the base unit, the less motion transfer that will be felt.

Prefer materials that don't off-gas. Organic a plus but not a necessity.


Polyfoam, memory foam and latex will all off gas something, and being organic certified doesn’t speak to that. Most people concerned with “organic” materials are usually concerned more with "safety" than whether the materials have an actual organic certification and they usually aren't aware that an organic certification isn't the same thing as a safety certification. There is more information about the three different levels of organic certifications in post #2 here and some of the benefits of an organic certification in post #3 here and there is more about the different types of organic and safety certifications such as Oeko-tex, Eco-Institut, Greenguard Gold, C2C, and CertiPUR-US in post #2 here and more about some of the differences between organic and safety certifications in post #2 here and there are also some comments in post #42 here that can help you decide whether an organic certification is important to you for environmental, social, or personal reasons or whether a "safety" certification is enough.


If you are going to shop locally, you can do a forum search for the city you’re moving to in New Jersey (or the closest major city) and see if there is a listing on the site of some retailers you may wish to visit. Also, among the site members closest to you that you may wish to visit would be Dixie Foam Beds and Scott Jordan Furniture in NYC, and the Shovlin Mattress Factory in Fanwood, NJ and Urban Natural Home Furnishings in Paramus, NJ.

If you are considering looking online, a good place for you to start could be to use the experience and expertise of the members listed in post #21 here who are all very experienced and knowledgeable and specialize in providing the type of help and guidance on the phone that can help you make good choices for a higher BMI. There are a wide range of latex and memory foam options included in the choices and I think highly of the advice that these companies provide.

Hopefully this helps point you in a proper direction.

Phoenix
05 Sep 2016 16:47
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Hi portocar,

1) One seller, dream foam bedding, said they use "gel foam" to deal with the heat issues related to memory-foam. Unfortunately, when I spoke to other sellers that do not use gel foam, they said that gel-foam is toxic, another said that, yes, it does discipate heat initially, but then you get hot again later. Another seller said they don't use gel-foam because it does not last very long.

a. is gel-foam toxic


The only reliable way to to assess the "safety" of different materials in more general terms is based on lab tests and the certifications they have for harmful substances and VOCs so that you have some assurance than the VOCs are below the testing limits for the certification (see post #2 here for more information about some of the more reliable "safety" certifications). If the materials in a mattress or the mattress itself has a reliable "safety" certification then for most people they would certainly be "safe enough" ... regardless of the type of material or the name of the manufacturer on the label.

All the Dreamfoam mattresses have a reliable safety certification and they are on the CertiPUR list here so there would be no reason for concern with any of their mattresses and the retailer that told you that gel memory foam is toxic is giving you some misleading information.

b. How durable is it?


It would depend on the density of the gel memory foam but the durability of gel memory foam would be closely comparable to the durability of regular memory foam that was the same density. There is more about how to assess the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to your BMI range in the durability guidelines here .

c. does it heat up after a short amount of time?


The "hand feel" of most gel memory foams will be noticeably cooler than regular memory foam and they can provide some cooling benefits when you first go to sleep at night but temperatures will tend to equalize over time at which point the insulating properties of the memory foam will become dominant. The amount and type of gel in the foam can affect whether the temperature benefits will last longer or shorter and the cell structure and amount of airflow through foam will also play a very significant role in reducing heat buildup in the material but in general terms ... gel memory foam can sleep a little cooler when you are first going to sleep at night but in most cases the benefits of the gel tend to be temporary and don't normally last over the course of the night.

It's not really possible to quantify the sleeping temperature of a mattress for any particular person with any real accuracy because there are so many variables involved including the type of mattress protector and the sheets and bedding that you use (which in many cases can have just as significant an effect on sleeping temperature as the type of foam in a mattress) and on where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range and because there is no standardized testing for temperature regulation with different combinations of materials ... there is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range.

In very general terms ... the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin and softer mattresses or foam toppers will tend to be more "insulating" and for some people can sleep warmer than firmer versions of the same material.

Memory foam or to a slightly lesser degree gel memory foam in general will tend to sleep warmer than other types of foam materials such as polyfoam and latex and all foam materials will tend to sleep warmer than natural fibers such as wool or cotton but there are many different formulations of memory foam and gel memory foam that are being used in the industry that can vary in terms of airflow and temperature regulation. There is more information and comments about some of the different methods or formulations that can be used to help cool down the tendency of any memory foam to sleep warmer for some people in post #6 here but memory foam manufacturers don't disclose their specific chemical formulations and there are so many variables involved in temperature regulation other than the memory foam formulation itself that the only way to know whether any memory foam mattress in combination with all the other variables that can affect temperature regulation will be "temperature regulating enough" for you will be based on your own personal experience.

2) I spoke with chritelli and they told me that their beds are similar to TEMPUPEDIC. However, when I spoke to other sellers about Chistelli, they said that CHristelli uses quilted covers/toper, which kills the whole point of memory-foam. In other words, memory foam should not have very little between the person sleeping on it and the foam.

a. does the quilted cover/topper of Christelli diminish the memory-foam experience?


Using a more resilient quilting material on top of memory foam can change the "feel" of a mattress compared to sleeping directly on memory foam so the quilting layer would result in a somewhat different "feel" from a similar Tempurpedic mattress even if the mattress was in a similar firmness range. For some people it would be an improvement, for some it would be "neutral" in terms of which one they liked better, and for some it would be worse because this would be a preference choice rather than a "better/worse" choice and would be somewhat subjective and relative to different people's preferences.

Some memory foam mattresses are more motion restricting which means it can be a little more difficult to change positions because of the slower response of memory foam and having a more resilient layer on top of the memory foam can result in easier movement and can also add a little bit more breathability but it can also reduce the "feel" of the memory foam underneath it to some degree.

3) I spoke with a company called Amerisleep. They claim to use a natural foam called "Bio-pur". They claim it solves not only the heat issues, but is also safer cause its natural. This all sounds great, but they are also one of the most expensive choices.


You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

None of their mattresses use natural materials because the polyfoam and memory foam that they use (like all polyfoam and memory foam) are synthetic materials made primarily from petrochemicals.

There are many foam manufacturers that replace a relatively small percentage of one of the two main petrochemicals that are used to manufacture the foam (the polyol) with a plant based derivative but this certainly doesn't make it natural and calling it that is greenwashing at its finest. There is more about so called "soy foams" or other "plant based" or "bio based" foams in post #2 here .

a. does Bio-pur keep you cooler?


It would depend on how breathable the foam was compared to other similar foam materials so they could be cooler than some and warmer than others but most of the memory foam producers are making more open cell memory foam than they were several years ago (which is also less temperature sensitive and faster responding than the older generations of memory foam) so their foams aren't particularly unusual compared to many other memory foams.

b. does bio-our work as well as other memory foams?


It would be similar to other memory foams that use a similar formulation but once again there is nothing particularly special about it either positive or negative.

c. Is Amerisleep legit?


It depends on how you define legit because they have been in business for quite a number or years (their website came online in 2005) but I would consider some of what they are saying to be misleading and they certainly wouldn't be my first choice. Their mattresses also use some lower quality/density materials than I would normally suggest in the durability guidelines ... especially for their budget range.

Phoenix
22 Aug 2016 21:39
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Hi JustBelieveFitness,

I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well he will sleep), durability (how long he will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or whether it will be a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress ... outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

I have read so many great reviews on the Revere mattresses.


While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular store or business can certainly be very helpful ... I would always keep in mind that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

I get worried blind buying a mattress though and have laid on a Tempurpedc Cloud Supreme Breeze. I loved it but I like the though of an all natural type mattress and also the price of the Amerisleep. Anyone have any advice? Im not into firm mattresses and the Revere says is more on the firm side. Advice is appreciated.


Neither one of the mattresses you mentioned use natural materials because the polyfoam and memory foam that they both use are synthetic materials made primarily from petrochemicals.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

While I can't speak to how the Revere (or any mattress) will feel to you or whether it will be a good match in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP ... in terms of durability the Revere uses 3" of 4 lb memory foam which would be suitable for more average BMI ranges (less than 30) but the 1.65 lb polyfoam base layer is a little lower than the minimum density guidelines I would normally suggest for a mattress in this budget range and there are better quality/value and more durable choices available to you.

Unlike the other major brands ... for the most part Tempurpedic uses good quality materials in their mattresses but there are certainly other local and online options that would be better quality/value choices than Tempurpedic which tend to be significantly overpriced compared to other memory foam mattresses that use similar quality/density materials that may be just as suitable, just as durable, and better "value" choices (see post #2 here ). With Tempurpedic you are paying a significant premium for the name on the label which has little to nothing to do with the quality and durability of the materials or how well you will sleep on a mattress.

When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

If you are researching online memory foam mattresses then the mattress shopping tutorial includes this link to a list of some of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) and several of them make memory foam mattresses that they describe as being reasonable approximations of the general firmness of many of the Tempurpedic mattresses. Several of the other retailers or manufacturers that are on the list that don't specifically describe their mattresses as being similar to one of the Tempurpedic models would probably also be able to give you more information about which of their mattress would be the closest approximation to a Tempurpedic mattress that you prefer as well.

There may also be some local choices that would be worth considering as well and if you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

In its simplest form choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
29 Jul 2016 15:26
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Hi MOB17,

Hello friends! I've READ AND READ and researched and tried out so many different mattresses I want to throw up and punch myself in the face!

I want a bed that lasts. Yes, yes comfort, support, but I don't want to throw my money down the toilet.


While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort" and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or whether it will be a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress but outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out information listed here so you can compare the materials and components to the quality/durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Assuming that the materials in a mattress you are considering are durable enough for your body type and meet the quality/durability guidelines I linked earlier in this reply relative to your weight range ... the choice between different types and combinations of materials and components or different types of mattresses are more of a preference and a budget choice than a "better/worse" choice (see this article ). The best way to know which types of materials or mattresses you tend to prefer in general terms will be based on your own local testing or your own personal experience.

I'm looking for help figuring out if these mattresses are any good and the foam latex is quality.

Jordan's 10 inch Memory Foam

Cover and Quilt:
Stretch Knit Polyester Cover
FR Sock

Comfort Layers:
1.5" 4 LB Memory foam
1.5" Talalay Latex

Support System:
7" 1.8LB Polyfoam


These are all good quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links that would be a cause for concern in terms of durability relative to more "average" weight ranges (around the lower 200's or less) although with the 4 lb memory foam and the 1.8 lb polyfoam base layer I would be cautious if you are in a higher weight range.


Jordan's Mattress Factory Carpathian Firm

Cover and Quilt:
Stretch Knit Cover
FR Fibers
1/2" Bio based foam 1.2LB density
1/2" Bio based foam 1.2LB density

Comfort Layers:
1" 100% Latex Rubber 28ILD
2" 100% Latex Rubber 28ILD

Support System:
6" 2.0 LB Polyfoam

BELOW FOAM CORE
3/4" Eco Fiber Pad


The two 1/2" layers of polyfoam in the quilting are lower quality/density materials but because they are only "around an inch or so" they won't affect the durability of the mattress.

All the other materials are good quality materials so there are no lower quality materials or weak links that would compromise the durability or useful life of this mattress even relative to higher weight ranges.

This mattress is a latex/polyfoam hybrid that uses latex in the comfort layers and the first one you listed is a memory foam mattress and uses memory foam in comfort layers so they are in completely different categories. Latex and memory foam are very different materials with very different properties but again the choice between them is more of a preference and budget choice than a "better/worse" choice. There is more about some of the differences between memory foam and latex in post #2 here . Some people tend to prefer the faster response and more resilient and "on the mattress" feel of latex and some prefer the slower response and more "in the mattress" feel of memory foam but the best way to know which type of materials or mattresses you tend to prefer in general terms would be based on your own careful testing and/or your own personal experience with each material in a range of different firmness levels.

LAURA ASHLEY HERITAGE COLLECTION ELENA 12 INCH FOAM MATTRESS:

Cover and Quilt:
Stretch Knit Cover
Anti-Microbial FR Fiber

Comfort Layers:
2" 3lb. Gel-Infused Memory Foam
2" Ventilated Polyfoam (density not listed)

Support System:
8" High Density Polyfoam (Density not listed).


It's not possible to make any meaningful comments about the durability of this mattress because several of the layers don't include the density of the foam they are using but the 2" of 3 lb memory foam is lower quality/density than I would consider and would be a weak link in the mattress even if the other foam layers are a good quality/density material. I would avoid this mattress.

I'm also looking at AmeriSleep
3" of our Bio-Pur memory foam 4llb density.. It's our large, open -cell memory foam that is made with plant based materials
And the bottom layer is 9" of our Bio-Core Support foam.
The medium soft option has an additional layer. They have a $200 discount.


This is also a memory foam mattress.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

I'm assuming that based on the specs you listed that you are looking at their Revere mattress. While I can't speak to how the Revere (or any mattress) will feel to you or whether it will be a good match in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP ... in terms of durability the Revere uses 3" of 4 lb memory foam which would be suitable for more average weight ranges but the 1.65 lb polyfoam base layer is a little lower than the minimum density guidelines I would normally suggest for a mattress in this budget range.

Loom and Leaf:
Support base is 5.5" of high density foam core
Transition loft pad 2". They call it a " luxurious transfer layer which rests between our support layer and memory foam layer."
-Next is 5lb visco elastic memory foam layer which is 2.5" visco elastic memory foam certified by CertiPUR-US®,
- Above that is 2" of our convoluted memory foam layer which uses a “gel-swirl” construction technique that provides even distribution,
That's what the sales person wrote "our convoluted memory foam layer"


This is also a memory foam mattress.

There are some comments about the Loom & Leaf along with many of the other "simplified choice" online mattresses in post #2 here in the simplified choice mattress topic and the first post in the same topic would probably be worth reading as well. There are also some more detailed comments in post #5 here . A forum search on Loom Leaf (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well.

They don't disclose the densities of their polyfoam base layers and I would tend to avoid this mattress as well.

My biggest worries are smell, sleeping hot, and the product lasting.


There can be an initial smell to some mattresses that can vary based on the materials in the mattress ... if the materials have a reliable safety certification (see post #2 here ) then any initial smell wouldn't be a safety issue and it will generally dissipate to levels that aren't noticeable for most people within a few days.

While it's not possible to quantify the sleeping temperature of a mattress for any particular person with any real accuracy because there are so many variables involved including the type of mattress protector and the sheets and bedding that you use (which in many cases can have just as significant an effect on sleeping temperature as the type of foam in a mattress) and on where you are in the "oven to iceberg" range and because there is no standardized testing for temperature regulation with different combinations of materials ... there is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range.

There are many variations of each type of foam material (latex foam, memory foam, polyfoam) but in very general terms latex is generally the most breathable and "temperature neutral" of all the foam materials followed by polyfoam followed by memory foam. While only a minority of people that sleep on memory foam have temperature regulation issues ... the ones that do are a higher percentage than with other types of foam.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area..

If you are also considering online options then the mattress shopping tutorial includes several links to lists of many of the better online options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) that include many different types and categories of mattresses that use different materials and components in a wide range of designs, budgets, firmness levels, and with different return/exchange policies that may be well worth considering as well (assuming that the materials and components in any mattress you are considering are durable enough for your body weight).

In its simplest form choosing the "best possible" mattress for any particular person really comes down to FIRST finding a few knowledgeable and transparent retailers and/or manufacturers (either locally or online) that sell the types of mattresses that you are most interested in that are in a budget range you are comfortable with and that you have confirmed will provide you with the all the information you need about the materials and components inside the mattresses they sell so you will be able to make informed choices and meaningful comparisons between mattresses and then ...

1. Careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) to make sure that a mattress is a good match for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP ... and/or that you are comfortable with the options you have available to return, exchange, or "fine tune" the mattress and any costs involved if you can't test a mattress in person or aren't confident that your mattress is a suitable choice.

2. Checking to make sure that there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress you are considering relative to your weight range that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress.

3. Comparing your finalists for "value" based on #1 and #2 and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

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17 Jul 2016 09:42
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Hi jsuehl,

I've tried a bunch of mattresses and am struggling to find one that works for me. I sleep on my back and side. My back prefers a firmer mattress, but my shoulders prefer something softer. I've tried two Latex mattresses, including Flobeds, but latex just doesn't seem to have enough support for my lower back.


Assuming that the materials in a mattress you are considering are durable enough for your body type and meet the quality/durability guidelines here relative to your weight range ... the choice between different types and combinations of materials and components or different types of mattresses are more of a preference and a budget choice than a "better/worse" choice (see this article ).

Each mattress category can include hundreds of different mattresses with a very wide range of different designs, different "feels", different characteristics, and different firmness levels. Every individual layer and component in a mattress (including the cover and any quilting material) will affect the feel and response of every other layer and component both above and below it and the mattress "as a whole" so each mattress category will generally include some mattresses that will be a good "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) and others that use the same type of materials and components and are in the same category may but have a different design or firmness level that may be completely unsuitable for you to sleep on ... even if it uses the same general type of materials and components.

Latex comes in a wide range of firmness levels but in general terms is a more "supportive" material than other types of foam because it has a higher compression modulus (the rate that a foam material becomes firmer as you compress it more deeply) than either memory foam or polyfoam in the same firmness level so if a mattress isn't a good "match" for you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP then it would be more because the specific design of the mattress (the thickness and firmness of the layers and components in the mattress) wasn't a good "match" for you than because of the specific type of materials.

Zoning systems (such as Flobed's vZone) can sometimes be useful and worth considering for people that have more difficulty finding a mattress with the right "balance" between comfort/pressure relief (under the shoulders especially) and support/alignment (under the hips/pelvis especially) or who have more challenging circumstances or sensitivities, body types that are more difficult to "match" to a mattress, more complex medical issues, or who have a history of having more difficulty in finding a mattress that works well for them. There is more about zoning in this article and in post #11 here and the additional posts it links to but the only way to know whether any specific mattress (zoned or otherwise) will be a good "match" for you in terms of PPP will be based on your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial) or your own personal experience when you sleep on it.

I've tried Helix and T&N, also which also weren't enough support for my lower back. The only one that solved my lower back pain was Sealy Posturpedic Hybrid, but I returned it because I don't think it will last - too many reviewers said it broke down quickly,


The major brands such as Sealy/Stearns & Foster, Simmons, and Serta all tend to use lower quality and less durable materials in their mattresses than most of their smaller competitors that will tend to soften or break down prematurely relative to the price you pay which is why I would generally suggest avoiding all of them completely (along with the major retailers that focus on them as well) regardless of how they may feel in a showroom along with any mattress where you aren't able to find out the type and quality/durability of the materials inside it (see the guidelines here along with post #3 here and post #12 here and post #404 here ).

In other words you were wise to avoid it.

I haven't tried a true memory foam mattress, so I think that might be worth a shot. I am considering Loom & Leaf or Amerisleep. On both I am not sure whether to get the firmer version (Revere from Ameriasleep) or the medium firm (Liberty from Amerisleep). I think the support for my lower back is more important that the shoulder comfort because the back pain wakes me up in the night and is more intense than the shoulder stiffness which is more of a "next day" phenomena. Has anyone tried both of these mattresses, and do you have any advise? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!


Again the type of materials and components or the category of mattress is a preference choice more than a better/worse choice so just like any other type of mattress ... some memory foam mattresses may be a suitable "match" for you and others may also be unsuitable for you to sleep on.

While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) or how a mattress will "feel" to you or compare to another mattress based on specs (either yours or a mattress), sleeping positions, health conditions, or "theory at a distance" that can possibly be more reliable than your own careful testing (hopefully using the testing guidelines in step 4 of the tutorial) or your own personal sleeping experience (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

There is more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

When you can't test a mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

While other people's comments about the knowledge and service of a particular business can certainly be very helpful ... I would always keep in mind that once again you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and I would be cautious about about using anyone else's suggestions, experiences or reviews on a specific mattress (either positive or negative) or review sites in general as a reliable source of information or guidance about how you will feel on the same mattress or how suitable or how durable a mattress may be for you. In many if not most cases they can be more misleading than helpful because a mattress that would be a perfect choice for one person or even a larger group of people in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on (even if they are in a similar weight range). In other words ... reviews or other people's experiences in general won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see post #13 here ).

There are some comments about the Loom & Leaf along with many of the other "simplified choice" online mattresses in post #2 here in the simplified choice mattress topic and the first post in the same topic would probably be worth reading as well. There are also some more detailed comments in post #5 here . A forum search on Loom Leaf (you can just click the link) will also bring up more comments and feedback about it as well.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them as well.

While I can't speak to how either of the Amerisleep mattresses will feel to you or whether they will be a good match in terms of PPP ... in terms of durability the Liberty uses 1.5 lb polyfoam in the transition and base layers which are a lower density material than I would normally suggest (see the durability guidelines here ) and would be a weak link in the mattress that could compromise the durability and useful life of the mattress. The Revere doesn't have a transition layer and uses a 1.65 lb polyfoam base layer which is a little better in terms of density and durability but it's also lower than the minimum density guidelines I would normally suggest for a mattress in this budget range.

There would be better quality/value memory foam mattresses available to you than either Loom & Leaf or Amerisleep and if you are looking at online memory foam options then the mattress shopping tutorial includes a link to a list of many of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of (in the optional online step) in a range of different designs, budgets, firmness levels, and with a range of different return/exchange policies that may be worth considering.

If you have tried many online mattresses and haven't been successful then it may also be worth considering a local mattress that you can test in person before a purchase.

If you let me know your city or zip code I'd be happy to let you know about the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in your area.

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31 Oct 2015 12:53
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Hi Wombat207,

Any final thoughts in the value/quality of this mattress? We were also considering the Amerisleep colonial, but it seems that you have been less than impressed by their quality/value. Any last minute advice before I pull the trigger? Thanks.


There is little I can add to my previous comments. If you have done some careful testing on the Cloud Supreme Breeze and it's a good match for you in terms of PPP and you have also talked with Novosbed on the phone about your choice then it doesn't have any lower quality materials or weak links in the design and if it also meets all the other parts of your personal value equation that are important to you then it would certainly be well worth considering.

NOTE ADDED JAN, 2016: They have now introduced their new simplified choice mattress which has replaced their previous models and have also become a member of this site.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them.

The specs of their mattresses are listed here and their Colonial uses 2" of 4 lb memory foam which is a good quality material but there is 4" of 1.65 lb polyfoam underneath the memory foam which is "better than average" compared to most mainstream manufacturers but is also a little lower quality/density material than I would normally suggest in the guidelines here for a one sided mattress.

Assuming that you decide to pull the trigger ... congratulations on your new mattress :)

I'm also looking forward to your comments and feedback once you've received it and have had the chance to sleep on it for a bit.

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28 Jun 2015 16:06
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Hi polyphasicsleep,

American company made a better product for Canadian market??
Both are manufactured in USA ??


That would depend on how you are defining "better". Amerisleep used to use 4.5 lb memory foam in their US models so it's possible that they are selling their old models in Canada and are now using 4 lb memory foam in their US models. In general terms 4.5 lb memory foam would tend to be slightly more durable than 4 lb memory foam but it can also depend on some of the other factors that can affect durability as well since they are fairly close in terms of density (densities aren't exact and spec tolerances can sometimes vary by +/- 5 - 10% in a batch of foam. There is more about the many variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people in post #4 here and the posts it links to.

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses.

You can read more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent review sites in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them but as far as I know all the forum members that were considering them ended up purchasing somewhere else except for two (see post #5 here and post #1 here ) who both ended up returning their mattress. While they are in a "better than average" value range compared to most mainstream choices ... there are also other options available that for most people would be a better quality/value choice.

I know the subject to be already the talk, but several company does not compress the foam, is it better or not in terms of quality rather than transport economy.


Compressing a foam for a few weeks during transportation won't harm most good quality foams but with longer term compression (such as foams or mattresses that are shipped from China or stored compressed for longer periods of time in a warehouse) it certainly can. It's also true that some foams that are firmer or denser or stiffer aren't as suitable for compression and in this case they need to be shipped uncompressed with a common carrier rather than through a courier. A mattress manufacturer will generally work with their foam manufacturer to make sure that they are using foams that are suitable for the shipping methods they use.

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23 Jan 2015 16:30
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Hi jayjonbeach,

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:


I would be very cautious about using someone else's experience on any mattress (either positive or negative) as a meaningful source of guidance about how a mattress will feel for you because firmness and softness is very subjective and relative to different people (a mattress that feels firm for one person can feel soft for someone else) and each person can be very different. A mattress that is a "perfect" match for one person in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, or Personal preferences) may be completely unsuitable for someone else to sleep on ... even if they are in similar weight ranges. Using other people's mattress reviews or experiences as a meaningful source of research and information can often be more misleading than helpful (see post #13 here ).

There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses regardless of whether there are any reviews or feedback about any particular mattress.

There is also more in post #2 here about the different ways to choose a mattress (either locally or online) that can help you identify and minimize the risks involved with each of them.

let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial


While I can't speak to how well any of their mattresses may work for you in terms of PPP (your own experience will be the only reliable way to know this) ... all of these materials are good quality/density and there aren't any weak links in the mattress.

FXI is a US manufacturer and is CertiPUR certified so this would meet the criteria I use for relative "safety" even though Amerisleep itself isn't on the CertiPUR list.

Their 90 day trial also doesn't include shipping costs which can be substantial because the return shipping for a uncompressed mattress would need to be through common carrier rather than courier.

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?


You can see my "generic" comments about Amerisleep in post #2 here . A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up will bring up all the forum posts that mention them but as far as I know all the forum members that were considering them ended up purchasing somewhere else except for two (see post #5 here and post #1 here ) who both ended up returning their mattress.

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?


Not in general terms no and it would depend entirely on the specific chemical formulation of the memory foam. There is more about the different properties of different types of memory foam in post #9 here and post #8 here and there is more about "cooling down" memory foam in post #6 here . I would also be aware that so called "plant based" foam has only replaced a relatively small portion of one of the two main chemicals (the polyol) used to make the foam and they would be closely comparable to "regular" memory foam (see post #2 here ).

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?


Again in general terms no. This would also depend on the specific properties that have been chemically formulated into the foam.

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?


Once again this will depend on the specifics of the foam (some "plant based" foams can smell worse than non plant based foams) but the certification of a foam would be the most reliable way to decide on whether any material is "safe enough for you" because outside of specific testing results there is no way to know this for certain.

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?


More open cell structures are one of the variables that can improve the temperature regulation of a particular foam layer yes (see the previous link about cooling down memory foam). There are many other variables involved though besides just the foam layers in a mattress that can have a significant effect on the sleeping temperature of a mattress (see post #2 here ).

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.


The better online options and possibilities I'm aware of that ship across Canada are listed in post #21 here .

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23 Jan 2015 13:32
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Hi Phoenix and all. You can see where I am going with this from the title. I've been doing CRAZY amounts of research and reading, here, there, everywhere, and it "seems" 'on the surface', these are good beds.

I know they are engaged in some shady marketing tactics, but really that is all I could find here about them on MU. Right now I have zero feedback about their actual beds. What I do know, is that meet all your criteria for a "good bed" from what I can tell, let's look at Americana and tell me if I am wrong:

- 3" 4.5lb 12ILD top layer
- 7" 2.0lb 35ILD base
- weighs in a 86 lbs (I find this useful, since if much lighter you know something is "up")
- 20 year warranty, first 10 not prorated, uses 0.75 inches
- made by Anatomic Global which is owned by Foamex/FXI, so as far as I can tell, Certi-pur
- 90 day trial

Is there a weakness here in this product or company I am not seeing, besides their marketing practices? (which I don't agree with either, but I am trying to buy a bed not a share in their company)

Here are some things you or people on the forum might be able to help me discern here:

- Is there any actual feedback from buyers here, good or bad?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam is cooler than even gel foam?

- Is there any truth that the plant-based foam has a faster recovery rate than gel foam?

- I have to believe the claims it is much less toxic and off-gassing are true?

- open cell structure foam again helping with temperature?

Thank you and anyone who can provide some insight here. I am in Canada, and this was one of the options I was seriously looking at until I seen the feedback on marketing. It might be enough to stop a purchase (as is I would have to pay for shipping if I want to return bed...), but at the same time I still wonder about the bed and any real feedback we have about any of their beds. If anyone has bought one and sees this thread please weigh in.

TIA

p.s note I will be starting a new thread on more specific help to finalize my decision re Latex or foam, other companies etc
04 Oct 2014 09:27
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Hi Wideawake,

Thanks again, Phoenix. I have narrowed it down to a couple of options. I am not sure how compare in the quality of the components.


You can see the quality/durability guidelines I would suggest in post #4 here and there is more detailed information about all the variables that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person in post #4 here .

SleepEZ:
Roma mattress which is on sale for $495,
or
6" latex mattress at $595 - SleepEZ seems to have a very straight forward return policy.


You can see some comments about it here but this is an all 100% natural latex mattress except for the cover which is quilted with a thin layer of polyfoam. It has a different firmness level on each side. Since it is all latex (except for a thin quilting layer) there are no weak links in the design.

Arizona Premium:
Twin Solid Core Latex Mattress $595
or
Twin Eco Sleep mattress $547


The solid core Latex mattress has 6" of blended Talalay latex and has a cotton cover quilted with wool. There are no weak links in this mattress either since latex is a very durable material.

They don't list the materials in the Eco Sleep Mattress so I don't know what is inside it.

Dreamfoam:
www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Freedom-C...UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
which has layers and tempts me because my parents won't be able to try out various mattresses prior to buying, and the $499 price is attractive


This is a component mattress that uses 3 layers of synthetic latex which is also a very durable material so there are no weak links in this mattress either. As you mentioned ... the layers can be rearranged inside the cover after a purchase to change the comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment of the mattress so in effect it is several mattresses in one (there are 12 possible combinations).

www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Bedding-Customi...UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
This has the same flexibility of the latex version and is only $289, I don't know whether anyone has had experience with their polyfoam.


They use 2 lb polyfoam which is also a high quality material so there are no weak links or lower quality materials in this mattress either. As you mentioned it has the same layering flexibility as the Freedom mattress but uses polyfoam instead of synthetic latex.

I looked at DixieFoam in New York, but the mattresses they offer in the price range did not seem to compare favorably with mattresses online from other areas.


They also use some very high quality and durable materials in their mattresses and none of their mattresses have any weak links either. (NOTE ADDED: They are now a member of this site as well)

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04 Oct 2014 01:39
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Thanks again, Phoenix. I have narrowed it down to a couple of options. I am not sure how compare in the quality of the components.
SleepEZ:
Roma mattress which is on sale for $495,
or
6" latex mattress at $595 - SleepEZ seems to have a very straight forward return policy.

Arizona Premium:
Twin Solid Core Latex Mattress $595
or
Twin Eco Sleep mattress $547

Dreamfoam:
www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Dreams-Freedom-Customizable-Latex/dp/B00MATQEI6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
which has layers and tempts me because my parents won't be able to try out various mattresses prior to buying, and the $499 price is attractive
or
www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Bedding-Customizable-Mattress-Twin/dp/B00JGBXWD6/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=APCUWEOU23BHI
This has the same flexibility of the latex version and is only $289, I don't know whether anyone has had experience with their polyfoam.
I looked at DixieFoam in New York, but the mattresses they offer in the price range did not seem to compare favorably with mattresses online from other areas.

Thank you for your patience.
03 Oct 2014 20:29
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Hi Wideawake,

In terms of contacting sellers for information, I would like to try to stick with one in the NYC area.


If you are only considering manufacturers or retailers in the NYC area then post #2 here includes the better options and possibilities I'm aware of in the area (although there are many online options outside of the NYC area that would also be well worth talking to that also have good return or exchange policies if you are open to a non NYC online purchase).

I am also considering latex, but is that a realistic option if I need to stay under $500 each for a twin mattress?


While your budget is on the low side for latex ... the posts I linked in my last reply that list some of the lower budget latex options I'm aware of do have a few options that would be in your budget range.

I am also thinking about the Casper mattress which seems to have pretty good return policies.


Casper is an "all or nothing" choice and would certainly be a better quality/value option than most of the mainstream choices that would be available to you and because they have a good return policy ... if it doesn't turn out to be a suitable choice for your parents based on their sleeping experience then there is little risk involved in trying them although only a twin (not a twin XL) would be in your budget range and this may be a little bit on the short side for your dad (he is only 5" shorter than the mattress).

If you follow the steps in the tutorial one at a time (without missing any) and narrow down your options with each of the retailers or manufacturers you are considering to a single mattress then it will be much easier to make a final choice between your finalists.

Phoenix
03 Oct 2014 20:00
  • Wideawake
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Thanks Phoenix. I have gone through the basics posts and the Amerisleep posts. I am also thinking about the Casper mattress which seems to have pretty good return policies. In terms of contacting sellers for information, I would like to try to stick with one in the NYC area. I am also considering latex, but is that a realistic option if I need to stay under $500 each for a twin mattress? Has anyone had good experience with a NY area distributor? Frankly, the more I read, the more confused I become.
26 Sep 2014 18:34
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Hi Wideawake,

I switched your post to a new topic of its own so that it will be easier for others that are considering Amerisleep to find it.

There is more about Amerisleep and their sister companies and their so called "expert sites" that pose as being independent in post #2 here and the posts it links to. A forum search on Amerisleep (you can just click the link) will bring up more about them as well. While they are in a "better than average" value range compared to most mainstream choices ... there are also other options available that may be a better value choice.

There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here but the single most important part of a successful mattress purchase is PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). There are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved for anyone to be able to predict whether this would be a suitable choice for either of your parents based on specs (either theirs or the mattress) or "theory at a distance" so when the people sleeping on a mattress can't test a mattress in person I would always make sure that you have a more detailed conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced online retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and is more interested in helping you make the most suitable choice than they are in selling you whatever you are willing to buy so that you have some confidence that a mattress is a suitable choice for their body type, sleeping style, and preferences. While I don't have any personal experience with this mattress ... it only has 3" of memory foam on a firmer support core and their description indicates that it would probably be most suitable for people who sleep on their stomach or back or prefer firmer mattresses and may not be as good a match for someone who sleeps on their side and needs more pressure relief.

With your parents' extra toppers it may be soft enough for their side sleeping but this will depend on the firmness of their 5 lb topper (5 lb memory foam is usually in a firmer range although this isn't always the case) and their own sleeping experience will be the only way to know this for certain. With 6" of memory foam there may also be more motion restriction than they would prefer (less ease of movement) because of the slower response nature of memory foam and there may also be some risk with alignment with memory foam comfort layers that are that thick as well (their hips/pelvis may sink down too far over the course of the night which can lead to lower back discomfort or pain). It may also be a little warmer than they would prefer.

In terms of the quality and durability of the materials ... the comfort layers and support core of the mattress are both good quality and there are no weak links in the mattress (see the guidelines here ).

Finally when you are making value comparisons between mattresses ... I would also be somewhat cautious because if the mattress isn't a good match for them then there may be significant expense involved in returning it because you would need to pay for return shipping which can be quite costly for a mattress that needs to be returned by common carrier.

The mattress shopping tutorial includes a link to some of the better online memory foam options I'm aware of that may also be worth including in your research and some of the better lower budget choices for an online purchase are listed in posts #3 and #4 here as well that can help you can make some meaningful comparisons with other mattresses. Again though ... I would make sure you are comfortable with the return or exchange policies and any costs involved just in case your choice doesn't turn out to be as suitable for your parents in terms of PPP as you hoped for and you end up needing to return it.

Phoenix
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