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Hybrid Slumber System 05 Dec 2021 09:01 #1

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I bought a Hybrid Slumber System almost 1 year ago(11/30/2020). It has the 3" soft Talalay latex topper option.

My wife and I are both about 5'10" 200 pound side sleepers. We are both waking up with sore hips and shoulders after 5-6 hours of sleep. I have noticed that If I wake up in them middle of the night I'm not sore if its only been a couple hours since I laid down. Neither of us have sore backs or what look like any alignment issues and the bed is fairly comfortable initially.

I'm wanting to know what could be done to get some extra pressure relief as it is preventing us from ever getting 8 hours of sleep.

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Hybrid Slumber System 06 Dec 2021 07:06 #2

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Hello James,

Thanks for reaching your to Luma Sleep via The Mattress Underground! We have found your original order from last December and your Free Comfort Exchange order from mid-March of 2021.
We see that you exchanged a 3' - 28 ILD Talalay latex layer for a 3" - 24 ILD version. Luma's Hybrid Slumber System uses a firm, zoned pocket coil array from Leggett & Platt as the primary support system in the 11" base mattress. Your recent comments about sore hips and shoulders are very similar to the concerns you expressed when making the Free Comfort Exchange over 9 months ago.
With both the 100-night in-home trial and Free comfort exchange completed, any additional changes will have some cost for you.

Luma Sleep does stock 19 ILD Talalay latex; however, it appears the source of your pressure points is coming from your sleeping body position, size/body shape interacting with the firm, zoned combi-zone coils. Rather than replace the 24 ILD topper with a 19 ILD topper, there are 2 other approaches you may want to consider.
1. Luma Sleep does not use 1"+ of wool padding in the cover of either the pillowtop or mattress. Most other companies selling latex-based mattress products either use wool padding or have a wool/cotton pad used in the cover. These materials "dampen" the feel of the latex which may be what you seek in order to reduce your pressure points. Luma Sleep carries an organic wool topper (that can go over the 2 layer slumber system) that can provide the padding you need. lumasleep.com/products/wool-mattress-topper
2. Add a 1" transition layer of either dunlop latex or a high-density polyfoam between the mattress and pillowtop to reduce the uplift in pressure from the firm coils and latex in your slumber system.

Option 2 will be less expensive and easier to implement; Luma Sleep can assist you in finding the material if this is your preferred course of action.

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 05:46 #3

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Thanks for the quick response. That was me and yes I did do a comfort exchange. I do think you are correct that its related to the coils as the latex layer does offer really good alignment and no complaints on the feel.

I never thought about an additional transition layer so thanks for that thought. I already was considering a wool or latex topper like the LaNoodle Cuddle Top.

Knowing what we know now would you recommend the Natural Latex Hybrid Mattress with the Bolsa coils instead?

You all have such great support. Thanks again.

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 09:49 #4

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Hello James,

Thank you for your support of Luma Sleep!
We were not aware of LaNoodle Cuddle Top. It is fairly expensive considering it's comprised of scrap latex (the "noodles" are created when punching holes in a 1/2"-1" continuously molded Dunlop natural latex sheet). The holes are made to simulate the pins holes that naturally occur when a Dunlop or Talalay latex core is molded). However, it could provide the pressure relief you seek. We do suggest you assess wool toppers and/or latex noodles/wool blend toppers such as this one by Sleep & Beyond. sleepandbeyond.com/product/mywoolly-latex-topper/ as part of your diligence.

The challenge with the Bolsa Coils is that they are 15 gauge wire that may not provide the needed support/spinal alignment needed for side sleepers with higher BMIs. Much depends on one's body shape.
If one has a narrow waist/wide hips, you may end up trading hip pain-related pressure points with lower back lumbar pain.
Given you have a large investment in the current product, it's probably worth trying lower-cost options. A 1" transition layer should help/solve your needs.

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 11:29 #5

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I want to go the 1" of latex route. Would it be wise to go with soft latex so that I could try it on top and as a transition layer?

What I am considering:
sleeponlatex.com/products/natural-latex-mattress-topper

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 11:50 #6

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The transition layer is to go in between the base mattress and pillowtop. Your base mattress has firm, zoned coils; your pillowtop is 3' Plush Talalay (24 ILD) An ideal transition layer is in between Firm and Plush. We are not aware of the ILD (or density) of SOL's Soft and Medium toppers. If you chat with them, they may be willing to share this info as well as guide you on which works best given the application.
BTW- You should not need a cover for the transition layer as it will be in between the mattress and pillowtop, both of which are covered.

Hope this helps!

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 14:48 #7

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I was able to find Sleep on Latex selling on Amazon where they have posted better specifications.

Soft
20 ILD (25%) / 46 ILD (40%) ASTM D3574-17 Test B1 - 4"
Medium
34 ILD (25%) / 76 ILD (40%) ASTM D3574-17 Test B1 - 4"

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Hybrid Slumber System 07 Dec 2021 14:55 #8

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Firmness Soft
ILD Rating 20 ILD (25%) / 46 ILD (40%) ASTM D3574-17 Test B1 - 4"
Density 4.0 lbs/cubic ft

Firmness Medium
ILD Rating 34 ILD (25%) / 76 ILD (40%) ASTM D3574-17 Test B1 - 4"
Density 4.7 lbs/cubic ft

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Hybrid Slumber System 09 Dec 2021 11:25 #9

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What's interesting to us is that the ASTM method/test specs that SOL is using are not for latex foam, but for polyfoam (IFD s. ILD)
Also, a 1" layer will not have the same ILD properties as a 4" test block. However, based on the data SOL is sharing and the significant increase in ILD for an incremental amount of compression, we think that you should go with the Soft version. 4# density is more than sufficient for a transition layer between pocket coils and a 3" Talalay topper. The purpose of the transition layer is to absorb and dissipate some of the force that is being created.

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Hybrid Slumber System 09 Dec 2021 11:47 #10

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Thanks. If you know of any other vendor that does 1 inch latex I would do that as well. Looks like 1 inch latex is pretty rare.

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