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Desperately seeking mattress help 15 Jul 2020 09:11 #1

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First off I would like to apologize if this is in the wrong section. I wanted to put this in the "general mattress questions" category, but I couldn't figure out how to do that - it didn't seem to be an option for me.

As the title says, I am in desperate need of a new mattress. I am so grateful to have found this site, but I am also feeling so overwhelmed. I'm hoping to find some guidance in what direction to go in.

My current mattress is 12 years old. It is a cheap foam mattress I bought off of Overstock as a broke, recently laid-off, 20-something. I couldn't even tell you what kind of foam it is, but it definitely is time for it to go.

I'm looking for something suitable for both my husband and myself. He is 5'9", about 185lbs, primarily a side sleeper and sometimes a back-sleeper (maybe 70% side, 30% back). I am 5'2", 112lbs, primarily a back sleeper, sometimes a side sleeper (maybe 85% back, 15% side). We both experience neck, shoulder, and back pain. This is largely due to our physical activity, but I think our mattress contributes as well. We've both definitely woken up sore and achey. We both struggle to get comfortable and fall asleep, and I don't think either of us wakes up feeling particularly refreshed. Our budget is about $700. (I know as far as mattresses go, $700 is low. :-/ But, I'm still hoping to find the best quality possible in that range.)

I know comfort is highly personal, and no one will be able to tell me "x" is the perfect mattress for you. I also know that ideally, we would go in-person to try out mattresses to see what we like. Unfortunately, we are in a position where going in-person to test isn't really an option right now but we definitely need a new mattress as soon as possible. We've basically reached our limit with this current mattress and can't stand it anymore.

We are looking primarily at foam mattresses, though not at all opposed to hybrids. What is really unfortunate is that neither of us really know what we like. Foam is fine, but would we like a hybrid more? I don't know. That being said, there don't seem to be a ton of hybrids in our price range, so I feel like that kind of decides that for us. Within the foam realm, I'm afraid I still can't say what we prefer. Memory foam? Latex? Poly? I know they all have different feels, but I don't know what we prefer. I realize how very difficult this makes the buying process, especially as we can't try things in-person. On the other hand, neither of us is all that picky so I feel like we'll probably be happy with just about any type of foam if the comfort is there (which again, I know is highly personal).

Other than the highly-subjective comfort factor, we don't have a lot of needs. He tends to sleep hot, so something cooler would be nice. He also tends to sleep close to the edge of the bed, so some edge support would also be nice. I realize though, those are two factors that are really rare in foam mattresses, particularly in our price range. So, as far as cooling and edge support goes, I'm really looking for a mattress that maybe offers a bit "more" than expected in those factors rather than amazing and perfect.

As of a few days ago, I had narrowed it down to:
- Bear Original (Celliant cover seems cool, but also maybe gimmicky. Edge support doesn't seem to be the greatest though, and it seems to not be all that cooling.)
- Nector (I was almost sold and ready to buy this one. Edge support seems to be better than a lot of foam, and it seems to be cooler than expected. BUT, the customer service seems to be awful, and I'm a bit weary about t the lack of information or specificity about the foam components from China and worry about quality.)
- Novaform ComfortGrane (Seems like it would be good, but I'm not sure it's the best we can get in our price range? I have read about it sagging/indenting very early on. Costco's customer service and return policy seem great though.)
- Tulo Medium (Again, seems OK, but I'm not sure if it's the best we can get in our price range. It is currently on sale for just $400, so the price is more than right, but I don't want to be swayed by cheap prices.)

The thing is, all of the above and resulting information came from all those mattress review sites that I now know may not be the sites to really trust. So, I'm feeling completely lost. I've basically looked at probably all of the internet "bed-in-box" companies, and honestly, none of them are completely off the table. In the back of my mind, I'm also considering Casper, and Tuft and Needle, and Helix, and Ghost Bed, and Purple, and Leesa, and Brooklyn Bedding...you get the picture. No company at all is off the table. I've just been looking at the internet bed-in-box ones because that's what is in my face, but I am completely open to any company that would be good. But there are just too many choices and options, and I'm facing complete analysis paralysis right now.

Part of me feels like I should just go ahead and buy a mattress, any mattress, because it seems virtually anything would be better than what we have now. But I don't want to make a hasty decision. Even with a low budget, I want to make and informed decision and get the best I can. And, even though so many of these companies offer "free" and "easy" returns, I would really rather NOT return a mattress (and it seems they're not so easy to return anyway). Right now, I find myself completely stuck in the research and analyzing phase, feeling completely overwhelmed by all the information and considerations, and I literally cannot make a decision. I would love for someone to just tell me to buy "x" mattress, but I know no one can do that, and I know even recommendations are unlikely due to the subjective nature of things (even though I want that, lol!). But in the absence of that, I've love it if anyone can provide any guidance!

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Desperately seeking mattress help 16 Jul 2020 11:28 #2

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Hello jk1022,


Any Bed-in-a-Box mattress system with a 6-7" HD Foam base will be likely to cause you both the alignment and comfort pains you refer to.
You should look for a 6" 28-32 IFD core(1.8 lb/ft min) with 4" of high performance foam on top of it. This will provide the most transition/comfort before you bottom out on the core. You can compare the specs of the models you cite to see which best suits them.

Also, we would recommend a hybrid mattress system that uses Quantum Edge pocketed coils as they will address both the alignment/comfort and edge support needs. They are a bit more expensive, but usually well worth it.

Thanks for not wanting to buy and return trial and error process. All online manufacturers and the environment appreciate it!

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Desperately seeking mattress help 16 Jul 2020 12:22 #3

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Thank you so much for your guidance! Can I ask - when you talk about the 4" of performance foam, would that include what I've seen some site refer to as "comfort" layers and/or "transitional" layers? I've seen some sites say their mattress is, for example 2" of a comfort layer followed by 2" of transitional layer. Would this constitute 4" of performance foam?

Also, I've seen some mattresses that have 5" of a base foam and a 5" configuration of a top/comfort foam layer and transitional layer. Would this also be acceptable, or is anything less than a 6" foam base problematic?

Lastly, with a hybrid mattress, should I be looking for a different configuration of performance foam and base? I've seen some that are more of a 7" base and 3" performance - for example, a 1" foam base layer, 6" coil layer, and 3" comfort layer. Would this be acceptable in a hybrid mattress? Or, in a hybrid, should I still be looking for something closer to a 4" performance layer and 6" base layer?

Thank you again!

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Desperately seeking mattress help 17 Jul 2020 10:28 #4

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Just a quick update...

I am still doing a ton of research, but I think my top two contenders for a foam mattress are the Brooklyn Bedding Bowery and the Nest Love & Sleep (likely in medium firmness). Where I'm getting hung up on is the composition and different thickness of the different layers in each mattress:

Love & Sleep:
- 3" 2.8 lb. Energex Cooling Comfort Layer
- 1" SmartFlow Air Flow Layer (website doesn't list the density, but I saw in this forum that it is a 2.0 lb convoluted polyfoam)
- 6" 1.8 lb. Edge Support Base Foam

Brooklyn Bedding Bowery:
- 3” layer of Energex foam 3.5lb Medium (28ILD - 30ILD)
- 2” layer of comfort foam (Live chat could not tell me the density of this layer. I have emailed CS and am waiting to see if I can get an answer via email re. density.)
- 5” high-density base foam 1.8lb 36ILD

I am wondering if the 3.5lb layer of Energex foam on the Bowery indicates that it would be more durable than the 2.8lb layer on Energex foam on the Love & Sleep? I am also wondering if the different densities might indicate differences in terms of more or less sink/hugging sensation/support, etc. Lastly, I am wondering if the 5 inches of comfort and transition layers on the Bowery vs the 4 inches of comfort and transition layers on the Love & Sleep might indicate difference in feel, and if so, in what way. I do realize that no one can comment on what my husband and I will find comfortable, but I am wondering if the different densities and thicknesses might translate into different in feel and sensation of the mattresses.

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Hello jk,

Yes, a 3.5# should be more durable than a 2.8# Energex.
You are then asking questions that cannot be determined based on the info. You have densities, but not IFD/ILDs of the foams in the Love & Sleep product
The IFD of the foams will determine the firmness and will impact the feel most directly. Yes, different densities, thicknesses and IFDs will affect the feel.
With the search narrowed to two and the ability to return for a refund, we think the Bowery is a superior product based on the info you have shared.

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Desperately seeking mattress help 17 Jul 2020 13:11 #6

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This is very helpful - thank you so much! I suspected that the Bowery may be more durable due to the higher density. :-)

I have reached out to see if I can get the ILD of the foam in the Love & Sleep mattress, just for my information and to compare. Can I ask, if the top layer of the Love & Sleep has an ILD of 28-30, the same as the Bowery, how then does the different thickness and density impact things (if at all)? Would the Bowery have the potential to feel ore or less sink or support or firmness due to the higher density? And if the ILD of the base layer was the same as the Bowery, would the fact that there is an extra inch of base foam potentially impact the feel in any way?

To throw a bit of a wrench into al of this, I am also now looking at the Sleep EZ Roma as well which has:

- 3" of 30-32 ILD medium 100% Natural Dunlop on one side
- 3" of 38-40 ILD firm 100% Natural Dunlop. It is flippable from the medium to the firm side.
- Cover is channel quilted to 1.5" of Certipur Foam

I am intrigued by latex due to its durability and more "bouncy"/responsive nature when compare to foam, but I am equally hesitant of latex because we've never tried it and don't have the opportunity to try in-person right now. It seems like latex is a little bit of a love it or hate it thing - it seems like it checks all the boxes but also seems like there's a fair amount of people who really don't get along with it. Of course, I know you will find that with any type of mattress (people who hate memory foam, etc.), but since I've had experience with foam mattresses and none with latex, I think those accounts of people who don't like latex are really standing out to me.

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Desperately seeking mattress help 18 Jul 2020 13:22 #7

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This is very helpful - thank you so much! I suspected that the Bowery may be more durable due to the higher density. :-)

I have reached out to see if I can get the ILD of the foam in the Love & Sleep mattress, just for my information and to compare. Can I ask, if the top layer of the Love & Sleep has an ILD of 28-30, the same as the Bowery, how then does the different thickness and density impact things (if at all)? Would the Bowery have the potential to feel ore or less sink or support or firmness due to the higher density? And if the ILD of the base layer was the same as the Bowery, would the fact that there is an extra inch of base foam potentially impact the feel in any way?

To throw a bit of a wrench into al of this, I am also now looking at the Sleep EZ Roma as well which has:

- 3" of 30-32 ILD medium 100% Natural Dunlop on one side
- 3" of 38-40 ILD firm 100% Natural Dunlop. It is flippable from the medium to the firm side.
- Cover is channel quilted to 1.5" of Certipur Foam

I am intrigued by latex due to its durability and more "bouncy"/responsive nature when compare to foam, but I am equally hesitant of latex because we've never tried it and don't have the opportunity to try in-person right now. It seems like latex is a little bit of a love it or hate it thing - it seems like it checks all the boxes but also seems like there's a fair amount of people who really don't get along with it. Of course, I know you will find that with any type of mattress (people who hate memory foam, etc.), but since I've had experience with foam mattresses and none with latex, I think those accounts of people who don't like latex are really standing out to me.

The Roma is interesting to me because the very top layers seem to be that 1.5" of foam, which, in my mind, seems like it might be more palatable to us compared to a latex top layer because we are used to foam. However, I'm not sure if 1.5" is really enough to do much? I'm also not sure I understand how latex mattresses "work". The lack of base and transitional layers, the flippable nature of the Roma, and the fact that it is only 9" (all the foam mattresses seem to be 10"+) have me confused. Clearly, I have a lot of questions about the Roma and have reached out to Sleep EZ for assistance. I remain intrigued by it though!


Oh boy, I think I'm making this whole thing harder for myself, but I just discovered teacher discounts at some places and now have two other contenders on the list - the Brooklyn Bedding Signature Hybrid and the GhostBed. BB is obviously different because it is a hybrid, and at initial research, Ghostbed seems like it might be too firm for our needs so I'm looking at it, but it's not yet a top contender. To top it off, I don't know if Soft or Medium would be best in the BB Signature:

Soft -Base to Top
- 1 Inch Base Support Foam
- 6 Inch Ascension Coil (Caliber Edge)
- 2 Inch 3.5LB 18ILD Energex
- 2 Inch 3.5LB 13ILD TitanFlex
Medium -Base to Top
- 1 Inch Base Support Foam
- 6 Inch Ascension Coil (Caliber Edge)
- 2 Inch 3.5LB 28ILD Energex
- 2 Inch 3.5LB 18ILD TitanFlex

So, it looks like my choices are now:

- Brooklyn Bedding Bowery, all foam
- Brooklyn Bedding Signature, Soft or Medium
- Sleep EZ Roma
- GhostBed

With both Brooklyn Bedding options being, I think, my top two contenders. So, essentially, I am trying to decide between a foam or hybrid mattress, and I am having a super difficult time doing so!

I am drawn to the Bowery because the 5" of comfort and transitional layer seem like they'll provide the comfort we need. For some reason, 5", rather than 4", of comfort and transitional foam makes me think that the extra inch will hold up better (less likely to sag and indent) and be more durable, but I suspect this is faulty thinking? The price is also very very much within our budget. And, as silly as it seems, I like that it weighs less than the Signature as we will likely need to move at least 2 more times in the next few years, and a lighter mattress seems like it'd be easier to move with. All of that being said though, it seems like, in general, foam mattress are not as durable as latex and hybrids, so I am very concerned about durability. In particular, I'm super concerned about sagging, indentations/impressions, etc. forming as seems to be so common with foam mattresses. A part of me feels like sagging and indentations are kind of inevitable with foam mattresses, but I definitely don't want it happening after only a few years, and I'd love to get 7-10 years out of a mattress.

I'm drawn to the Signature because it is a hybrid and it was mentioned that "a hybrid mattress system that uses Quantum Edge pocketed coils as they will address both the alignment/comfort and edge support needs." (Though, I'm not sure if the Signature uses "Quantum Edge" pocketed coils, though I do know they are pocked coils.) I have a slight, weird hesitation to hybrids because coils just make me think of mattresses I grew up on, which makes me think it is "old technology" or an outdated mattress system - but I know that is a silly way of thinking, and I won't let it hold me back if it is the best option for us. I have slight hesitation about the comfort and transitional layers - I'm just concerned that 4" wouldn't be enough and that my husband, being larger than me and a side sleeper, would feel the coils through the layers. I'm not sure if this is a warranted concern or not though, and perhaps that could be further counteracted with a topper? Similar to the Bowery, I'm also concerned about sagging and indentations in the comfort and transitional layers as they are a polyfoam, but it seems every mattress I'm looking at (except the Ghostbed) has polyfoam comfort and transitional layers, so I guess this would be a concern for all of the mattresses I'm considering. The Signature weighs 35lbs more than the Bowery, so I have some concerns about that weight when it comes time to move, but I'm also not sure if an extra 35lbs is something to get all concerned about in the long run. Also, the Signature is a bit of a stretch on our $700 budget - bringing it at $800 after tax and about $250 more than the Bowery. I'm willing to do it if it will be durable and the best option for us - I just don't know if it is. Is the Signature potentially enough of an upgrade from the Bowery to justify the the extra expense? This whole paragraph makes it seem like I only have cons for the Signature, but that's really not true - the Signature is very much on my list. From all I've read, it seems like a hybrid would be better for us as a couple with a 70+lb weight difference and different sleeping styles. I also like the fact that the Signature, as a hybrid, would likely sleep much cooler than the Bowery (a huge thing my husband hates right now is how hot our mattress is). Plus, if coils will better help with alignment/comfort needs, that just might make it worth it.

SleepEZ Roma is sill a consideration, further down on the list. I'm just really hesitant to get a latex mattress when we've never tried one before. I really don't know if we would like the feel or not. Ghostbed is also further down on the list for that same reason - with a latex topper, I'm just not sure if we'd like latex or not. I'm also read that many found the Ghostbed quite firm. Of course, I know comfort and firmness is very personal, but with my husband being a side sleeper and me being on the more petite side, I don't want to get anything that would be too firm.

So, that's where I'm at right now, with both Brooklyn Bedding options in the top spots. I'm really not sure where to go from here...

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Desperately seeking mattress help 19 Jul 2020 13:45 #8

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I keep replying to myself as I try to come to decisions, but writing it all out like this seems to help me organize my thoughts and options so I hope no one minds my ramblings!

I think I have narrowed it down the the Brooklyn Bedding options, but also just discovered their Propel mattress which intrigues me and has been added to the mix. So now I am between the all-foam Bowery, hybrid Signature in Medium, and the Propel. BB gave me the following specs:

Bowery:
- 3” layer of Energex foam 3.5lb Medium (28ILD - 30ILD)
- 2” layer of comfort foam (24ILD)
- 5” high-density base foam 1.8lb 36ILD

Signature Medium:
- 2" 3.5LB 18ILD TitanFlex
- 2" 3.5LB 28ILD Energex
- 6" Ascension Coil (Caliber Edge)
- 1" 1.5lb Base Support Foam

Propel:
- 1.5" CopperFlex Foam (24ILD)
- 2" 2.5lb Energex Foam
- 1" 2.5lb Gel Swirl Memory Foam
- 6" Ascension Coils
- 1" 1.5lb High Density Base Foam

Between the three, I think I am leaning a bit more towards the Signature and Propel. I'm starting to get my head around the idea of spending a bit more, and it seems like a hybrid would better suit our needs. The all-foam Bowery remains on the list due to its low price-point. If someone can show me that the Bowery would be just as good in quality, durability, and meeting the comfort and alignment needs at the hybrid options, it could become a serious contender again. But at this point, the Signature and Propel remain my top choices.

The Propel appeals to me because it claims to have TitanCool phase change molecule cooling technology and Upcycle technology, a "proprietary surface treatment of encapsulated minerals to absorb body heat, transforming it into Far Infrared Rays (FIR) of energy that can be emitted back into the human body." Any sort of cooling feature is nice since my husband sleeps hot, and the Upcycle reminds me of the Celliant cover in the Bear, which always intrigued me as I am quite physically active. Of course, I can't quite tell if these are just gimmicky features or not though. I also like the idea of that extra half inch of comfort/transitional foam in the Propel, though I'm not sure if a half inch makes all that significant of a difference? Based on specs though, it seems like the lower 2.5lb density of the Energex and memory foam of the Propel would not be as durable as the 3.5lb density of the TitanFlex and Energex foam in the Signature - is that correct? Furthermore, when I asked for density of the top CopperFlex Foam layer in the Propel, they simply told me it is 24ILD, which I'm not sure allows me to gauge the potential durability of that layer.

All in all, am I correct in assessing that based on specs, the Signature is a better quality and would be a more durable mattress than the Propel? Does the extra half inch of comfort/transition foam in the Propel have any bearing on that assessment, provided I'm assessing things correctly? And, as far as the different densities of the foams in the two mattresses go, are there concerns with the 2.5lb foam densities in the Propel for someone like my husband, who's BMI is under 30 but is close to the 200lb mark and is a side-sleeper? Should we be ruling out the Propel completely based on the foam density alone when taking size and sleep style into account?

If I am, in fact, assessing things correctly, I think I am then torn between the higher quality and durability of the Signature and the cooling and restorative features of the Propel, as well as the extra half inch of comfort/transitional foam in the Propel. I obviously want to go for the highest quality and durability that I can, but those extra features on the Propel are doing a good job of drawing me in. So, I find myself, again, in a state of indecision...

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Desperately seeking mattress help 20 Jul 2020 19:42 #9

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Hi Jk1022!

Luma has offered you a lot of useful advice. I can see that you’ve since expanded your search beyond the two mattresses you were initially considering.

Oh boy, I think I'm making this whole thing harder for myself, but I just discovered teacher discounts at some places and now have two other contenders on the list - the Brooklyn Bedding Signature Hybrid and the GhostBed. BB is obviously different because it is a hybrid, and at initial research, Ghostbed seems like it might be too firm for our needs so I'm looking at it, but it's not yet a top contender. To top it off, I don't know if Soft or Medium would be best in the BB Signature

I can't speak to how any mattress will "feel" for someone else because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances. Only you can know if soft or medium will be best for you.

So, it looks like my choices are now:
- Brooklyn Bedding Bowery, all foam
- Brooklyn Bedding Signature, Soft or Medium
- Sleep EZ Roma
- GhostBed

With both Brooklyn Bedding options being, I think, my top two contenders. So, essentially, I am trying to decide between a foam or hybrid mattress, and I am having a super difficult time doing so!

You are in the fortunate position of choosing between good and good. GhostBed, and SleepEZ are both TMU Trusted Members and these mattresses meet quality and durability standards. See their Trusted Member profiles for the discounts they offer to TMU consumers. While Brooklyn Bedding is not one of our trusted members, I am sure they have good discounts as well. If there are no clear winners between the mattresses you are looking at (which is usually a good indication that you have done some very good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations with each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials, the options you have after a purchase to fine-tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

For some reason, 5", rather than 4", of comfort and transitional foam makes me think that the extra inch will hold up better (less likely to sag and indent) and be more durable, but I suspect this is faulty thinking?

The 1” of comfort and transitional foam will not make a meaningful difference in the durability and useful life of the mattress.

as silly as it seems, I like that it weighs less than the Signature as we will likely need to move at least 2 more times in the next few years, and a lighter mattress seems like it'd be easier to move with

As you sleep on the mattress “daily” and move houses just a couple of times I would make sure to not put comfort/support at risk .. If all else is equal then a personal preference wins and if you will be moving frequently then the weight of a mattress would ultimately be a deal-breaker,

in general, foam mattresses are not as durable as latex and hybrids, so I am very concerned about durability. In particular, I'm super concerned about sagging, indentations/impressions, etc. forming as seems to be so common with foam mattresses. A part of me feels like sagging and indentations are kind of inevitable with foam mattresses, but I definitely don't want it happening after only a few years, and I'd love to get 7-10 years out of a mattress.

If you haven’t done so yet, I highly suggest you read our Mattress Durability Guidelines . Polyfoam and memory foam may make a difference in the useful life of a mattress but that is contingent on the quality of those materials. All of the mattresses you are considering are made of high-quality materials and I do not see any cause of concern as to the useful life of your mattress, but you’d also want to factor your BMI into the durability equation.

It's not unrealistic to want 7 -10 years out of a mattress, I always think in terms of 8- 10 years as a reasonable expectation for a good mattress - and then treat any additional time after that as "bonus time.” Because after about 10 years, the limiting factor in the useful life of a mattress will often be the changing needs and preferences of the person sleeping on the mattress and even if a mattress is still in relatively good condition after a decade ... a mattress that was suitable for someone 10 years earlier may not be the best "match" any longer.

I have a slight, weird hesitation to hybrids because coils just make me think of mattresses I grew up on, which makes me think it is "old technology" or an outdated mattress system

Innerspring mattresses (coils) have been and remain the most popular type of mattress for a reason. Over time, with the Pocket Coil introduction, things got better in terms of motion transfer, conforming to the body shape, responsiveness, and generally wider range adaptability for different needs. An innerspring isn't normally the weak link in a mattress. There is more about innersprings and types of coils and in post #10 here but I would pay much more attention to the quality of the materials above the innerspring which is normally the weakest link in a mattress. Post #16 also talks about different innerspring designs and how they work . Hopefully, all of this will give you more confidence.

I have slight hesitation about the comfort and transitional layers - I'm just concerned that 4" wouldn't be enough and that my husband, being larger than me and a side sleeper, would feel the coils through the layers. I'm not sure if this is a warranted concern or not though, and perhaps that could be further counteracted with a topper?

This is, again, where the Mattress Durability Guidelines mentioned above come into play. It can often be challenging to find the right balance of comfort and support needs for two people with varying degrees of BMI. In general, people with a higher BMI need firmer, thicker comfort layers, and firmer support layers than those who are lighter. A mattress needs to conform to your body shape and form a cradle deep enough to spread your weight over the surface of the mattress and relieve pressure points. Each person's experience is uniquely different from another's and is one of the reasons manufacturers offer the assurance of a sleep trial period and comfort exchanges within an extended period of time.

Also, the Signature is a bit of a stretch on our $700 budget - bringing it at $800 after tax and about $250 more than the Bowery. I'm willing to do it if it will be durable and the best option for us - I just don't know if it is. Is the Signature potentially enough of an upgrade from the Bowery to justify the extra expense?

Budget limitations are also part of the Personal Value Equation post I linked above. Because nobody can know what your sleep experience would be on either of these mattresses, it’s impossible to say if the extra expense would be worth it. Generally, I’d factor in options like in-home customization, comfort exchanges, returns in case things do not turn as well as you hoped for.

From all I've read, it seems like a hybrid would be better for us as a couple with a 70+lb weight difference and different sleeping styles. I also like the fact that the Signature, as a hybrid, would likely sleep much cooler than the Bowery (a huge thing my husband hates right now is how hot our mattress is).

Temperature regulation is a complex issue. Layers that are closer to the top sleeping surface will have the greatest impact upon comfort and sleeping temperature (including any mattress pad, sheets and linen). There is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here .
Plus, if coils will better help with alignment/comfort needs, that just might make it worth it.

There is no mattress type that is best for “alignment/comfort” needs and nobody can say for sure if a particular one will help your alignment. Your best bet is to reach out to a knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer who would base their recommendations on the averages of consumers that are similar to you. I would make sure to call each one of your finalists and ask for some guidance.

SleepEZ Roma is sill a consideration, further down on the list. I'm just really hesitant to get a latex mattress when we've never tried one before. I really don't know if we would like the feel or not. Ghostbed is also further down on the list for that same reason - with a latex topper, I'm just not sure if we'd like latex or not.

Latex is the most breathable of all foams and this can be an important part of temperature regulation for those who tend to sleep hot. Latex can also be great for pressure relief. Most people who try latex mattresses like them. That said, if you’re unsure, you will need to familiarize yourself with the feel of latex or at least if you decide to bite the bullet and get one then look into their policies (how many nights to try, return window, any fees applicable to returning their mattresses) before making a purchase

I hope this helps clarify some of your questions and concerns. I look forward to hearing an update on your mattress purchase decision!

Phoenix
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Desperately seeking mattress help 21 Jul 2020 10:24 #10

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Hi Pheonix,

Thank you so much for the thoughtful and detailed reply! As a side note, thank you also for this website and forum - it has been a wonderful resource, and I have learned so much!

At this point, I have basically narrowed my choices to two Brooklyn Bedding options:

Signature Medium:
- 2" 3.5LB 18ILD TitanFlex
- 2" 3.5LB 28ILD Energex
- 6" Ascension Coil (Caliber Edge)
- 1" 1.5lb Base Support Foam

Propel:
- 1.5" CopperFlex Foam (24ILD)
- 2" 2.5lb Energex Foam
- 1" 2.5lb Gel Swirl Memory Foam
- 6" Ascension Coils
- 1" 1.5lb High Density Base Foam

I am torn between the two because the Propel claims to have TitanCool phase change molecule cooling technology and Upcycle technology, a "proprietary surface treatment of encapsulated minerals to absorb body heat, transforming it into Far Infrared Rays (FIR) of energy that can be emitted back into the human body." The extra cooling feature is appealing since my husband sleeps hot, and the Upcycle is appealing since I've pretty physically active. On the other hand, I wonder if these are more gimmicky than anything?

I also like the idea of that extra half inch of comfort/transitional foam in the Propel, though I'm not sure if a half inch makes all that significant of a difference? I now understand that the extra 0.5" of comfort and transitional foam will not make a meaningful difference in the durability and useful life of the mattress (thank you for clarifying that for me, Pheonix!), but could it make a difference in comfort? And, of course, I know no one can say whether or not the mattress will be comfortable to us, but I'm just wondering if an extra 0.5" of foam has the potential to translate to a difference in feel...essentially, if density and ILD is the same, can an extra 0.5" of foam make it feel firmer or softer?

All that being said though, it seems like the lower 2.5lb density of the Energex and memory foam of the Propel would not be as durable as the 3.5lb density of the TitanFlex and Energex foam in the Signature - is that correct? Furthermore, when I asked for density of the top CopperFlex Foam layer in the Propel, they simply told me it is 24ILD, which I'm not sure allows me to gauge the potential durability of that layer.

So, even though the Propel has half an inch more of comfort/transitional foam and cool features, it seems that based on specs, the Signature is a better quality and would be a more durable mattress considering the higher density foam is uses - is that an accurate assessment? For that reason, I think I am leaning toward the Signature, unless I am way off base in my assessment and understanding of things. I can't help but still being intrigued by the cooling and restorative properties of the Propel, so I do wonder if there concerns with the 2.5lb foam densities in the Propel for someone like my husband, who's BMI is under 30 but is close to the 200lb mark and is a side-sleeper - should we be ruling out the Propel completely based on the foam density alone and potential durability when taking size and sleep style into account? Basically, because I am so intrigued by the features of the Propel (while also wondering if and acknowledging that they may just gimmicky marketing features), I am wondering if I can "justify" it even with the lower foam densities. I suspect though that if durability is my top priority, I should likely go with the Signature with its higher foam densities...?

As for my other previous options, I find myself more and more pulled toward hybrid options, so the all-foam Bowery is no longer a top choice. I LOVE the SleepEZ and Ghostbed are TMU trusted member - I would LOVE to purchase from a trusted member! But given our uncertainty and inexperience with latex, the lack of ability to try in-person, and the need to a new mattress ASAP, I've decided not to go for a latex mattress now. I think, when we are shopping for a new mattress, hopefully 10 years from now, latex will be a top contender.

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